Post by: TrueNerd on November 01, 2006, 09:31:46 AM
$59.99 = Halo 3 Bare Bones edition
$69.99 = Halo 3 Collector's edition
$99.99 = Halo 3 Rape Time edition
If consumers allow publishers to set the precedent that $100 games are perfectly acceptable, my hobby of playing video games is over. I am personally vowing on this day to convince everyone considering buying that to do otherwise. This will not stand.
I suppose part of this is that I am a mild Halo admirer and therefore don't see the appeal of the Legendary Edition. I have to ask, "Would I spend that much on a Twilight Princess Hylian Hero edition, complete with mini Master Sword, making of featurettes, etc?" The answer is still NO.
$100 for a game is not acceptable, no matter what extras are being offered. So do your part. Friends don't let friends buy Halo 3 Legendary edition.
Post by: vudu on November 01, 2006, 09:44:10 AM
While I love special edition DVDS (to rent, not to buy) I've never been interested in a special edition video game; I'm not quite sure why that is.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 01, 2006, 10:02:18 AM
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Originally posted by: TrueNerd
Good GOD.
$59.99 = Halo 3 Bare Bones edition
$69.99 = Halo 3 Collector's edition
$99.99 = Halo 3 Rape Time edition
If consumers allow publishers to set the precedent that $100 games are perfectly acceptable, my hobby of playing video games is over. I am personally vowing on this day to convince everyone considering buying that to do otherwise. This will not stand.
I suppose part of this is that I am a mild Halo admirer and therefore don't see the appeal of the Legendary Edition. I have to ask, "Would I spend that much on a Twilight Princess Hylian Hero edition, complete with mini Master Sword, making of featurettes, etc?" The answer is still NO.
$100 for a game is not acceptable, no matter what extras are being offered. So do your part. Friends don't let friends buy Halo 3 Legendary edition.
I would buy that TP Hylian Hero edition! Sounds great, I hope Nintendo does it
.Post by: TrueNerd on November 01, 2006, 10:03:16 AM
Post by: Nick DiMola on November 01, 2006, 10:06:07 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on November 01, 2006, 10:31:01 AM
Then your hobby is over. Never underestimate the power of mass stupidity. I never buy a special edition DVD for something I already have. But others do and because of that I have to research upcoming double-dips anytime I buy a DVD. People are going to buy this and because you have a brain you'll get screwed. I know. It sucks.
Post by: capamerica on November 01, 2006, 10:46:50 AM
Now I don't buy every special edition that comes out, only ones for things I like. That being said I will most likely not buy the "Legendary Edition" but I will most likely buy the Collector's edition just like I did for Halo2.
I don't see what the big deal with it is for you TrueNerd, It's not like its the only version of Halo3 coming out, you can still buy the standard version no one is forcing you to buy the Legendary Edition or Collector's edition. These are for the Halo fans. I have a friend who will most likely be buying the Legendary Edition and I don't see a problem with that, he's a big Halo fan.
If Nintendo released the Twilight Princess Hylian Hero edition, I would have just rushed down to my local GameStop and pre-ordered it.
There are people out there that like this kind of stuff and just because you don't doesn't mean your any better then them.
Post by: wandering on November 01, 2006, 11:07:16 AM
What were we talking about? Prices? Yeah, they do seem pretty high.
Post by: Artimus on November 01, 2006, 11:42:06 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"If consumers allow publishers to set the precedent that $100 games are perfectly acceptable, my hobby of playing video games is over."
Then your hobby is over. Never underestimate the power of mass stupidity. I never buy a special edition DVD for something I already have. But others do and because of that I have to research upcoming double-dips anytime I buy a DVD. People are going to buy this and because you have a brain you'll get screwed. I know. It sucks.
Don't confuse special editions with double dips. A special edition can come out a couple years after the original edition and offer more features, a better transfer, collectibles, etc. And perhaps to those people, buying the single disc so they can watch the movie in the meantime is worthwhile. What is frustrating is when it happens over a short period of time, i.e. less than a year.
Post by: MaryJane on November 01, 2006, 11:53:22 AM
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Originally posted by: TrueNerd
[L=Good GOD. ]
I suppose part of this is that I am a mild Halo admirer and therefore don't see the appeal of the Legendary Edition. I have to ask, "Would I spend that much on a Twilight Princess Hylian Hero edition, complete with mini Master Sword, making of featurettes, etc?" The answer is still NO.
$100 for a game is not acceptable, no matter what extras are being offered. So do your part. Friends don't let friends buy Halo 3 Legendary edition.
I would pay $100 for a collectors edition of Zelda with a Mini Master Sword, that was at least a foot in length.
It's called collectors or legendary, or hyrulian, for a reason it caters to a certain group of people. Those who pay for things for the sole purpose of collecting them, dude with the hot Samus pic, is just like me, I buy special edition dvd's all the time. I bought the X-3 collectors edition with the 92 page comic book, that I still haven't read, but you know what? The case is really cool. So I bought.
Stupidity of the masses? Perhaps, but it's something I like so I buy it = The American Dream
(I still think $600 for a console is too much money, for any console, but that's because it doesn't function by itself, you have to buy things to make it work.)
Post by: couchmonkey on November 01, 2006, 12:18:53 PM
I'd consider the "Collector's edition" if it was Zelda. Not the super-fancy one though, I need money for electricity and stuff.
Post by: Ian Sane on November 01, 2006, 01:05:01 PM
You're right. It's not the same thing. That wasn't a good analogy.
Still it is an example of consumer stupidity allowing companies to develop bad habits.
Post by: Smoke39 on November 01, 2006, 01:23:46 PM
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Originally posted by: vudu
While I love special edition DVDS (to rent, not to buy) I've never been interested in a special edition video game; I'm not quite sure why that is.
They usually don't come with anything very interesting. I mean, dev commentary's kinda interesting, but not something I'd pay money for. Figurines don't interest me at all. Art books can be kinda interesting, but I mean most of that stuff is manifested in the game itself.
I'm interest in game content. That's why I made sure I got a preorder for WW; I wanted to see Master Quest.
Post by: stevey on November 01, 2006, 02:06:32 PM
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"Would I spend that much on a Twilight Princess Hylian Hero edition, complete with mini Master Sword, making of featurettes, etc?" The answer is OMFG YES!
hell I spend $600 on a killer edition if It came with a full size real master sword, drool......
Post by: Kairon on November 01, 2006, 02:25:09 PM
For example, the bonus features on Hayao Miyazaki's Spirited Away? I'd pay extra for those.
I can see paying 10 extra dollars for the behind-the-scenes bonuses for Halo 3, but the other two discs are absolute trash: all the cut scenes on one convenient dvd? extra fan stuff on another DVD that originated on the internet and that I can easily youtube? Uh.... no.
Give me 1 hour long features with your composer, your concept artists, your producers, give me a walkthrough of the entire process of the game's creation from concept to end and I will pay extra for it... up to $20 extra.
Throw in Miyamoto and the sky's the limit.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Shecky on November 01, 2006, 04:00:33 PM
Post by: capamerica on November 01, 2006, 05:05:36 PM
I still haven't purchased any of them. I'm holding out for the day they release a box set where all 3 movies are edited to make one long 12 hour movie.
Another would be X-Men, where you had the Standard version and the Special Edition then a year later X-Men 1.5 with new features and then after the release of X2 another version that is bundled with X2 in a collectors edition box set.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on November 01, 2006, 05:31:55 PM
Post by: Ceric on November 01, 2006, 05:42:48 PM
I just don't like the logical conclusion on these things. Actually holding out on game content to put into the special edition.
Post by: Athrun Zala on November 01, 2006, 05:46:34 PM
Quotetwo times....Theatrical Cut and Extended Edition (the later are excellent, and does show what the extras in any DVD should be like...), so it's not that bad, especially considering that the EE are superior in every way (unless you hate LOTR or Jackson's interpretation...)
Originally posted by: capamerica
A good example of double dipping in the DVD market is the crap we've been put though with the damn Lord of the Rings DVDs. How many times have they re-re-released them?
I still haven't purchased any of them. I'm holding out for the day they release a box set where all 3 movies are edited to make one long 12 hour movie.
maybe is there another release I haven't heard about?
Post by: Arbok on November 01, 2006, 06:43:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Athrun Zala
maybe is there another release I haven't heard about?
Just a few...
Post by: TrueNerd on November 01, 2006, 07:28:54 PM
QuoteThis is not a matter of arrogance regarding this specific example. I'm sorry if it came off like that. What I am upset about is that game prices for Sony and Microsoft have just gone up $10 and just about every game also has a "special" edition for an additional $10. On top of that, companies like EA are nickling and diming gamers for downloadable content that they used to include in their games for free, and don't even get me started on the sh*t Sony is pulling with Gran Turismo. The cost to play video games has gone up a lot in the last year, and will continue to do so.
Originally posted by: capamerica
I don't see what the big deal with it is for you TrueNerd, It's not like its the only version of Halo3 coming out, you can still buy the standard version no one is forcing you to buy the Legendary Edition or Collector's edition. These are for the Halo fans. I have a friend who will most likely be buying the Legendary Edition and I don't see a problem with that, he's a big Halo fan.
If Nintendo released the Twilight Princess Hylian Hero edition, I would have just rushed down to my local GameStop and pre-ordered it.
There are people out there that like this kind of stuff and just because you don't doesn't mean your any better then them.
Also, this is the exact same thing Microsoft did with Halo 2. Halo 2 was one of the first games to have a special edition for $10 more and when they sold a f*ckton of those, they said, "Hey! We can charge these suckers $60 for all games!" And that's exactly what they did. If the Legendary Edition is a wild success, who's to say that $100 games aren't the norm in five years? An extreme possiblity, I know, but it sets a precedent that consumers will do this. I do not want that precedent set, and I would think most people would agree on that one.
If Nintendo really did release an uber edition of Twilight Princess, yeah, you bet I would want it. However, I would do my best to fight that urge knowing that if I and a whole lot of other people bought it, I would likely be paying more for Twilight Princess 2, and that is why this upsets me.
Post by: Kairon on November 01, 2006, 08:48:46 PM
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Originally posted by: TrueNerd
If Nintendo really did release an uber edition of Twilight Princess, yeah, you bet I would want it. However, I would do my best to fight that urge knowing that if I and a whole lot of other people bought it, I would likely be paying more for Twilight Princess 2, and that is why this upsets me.
... you know you would lose though ...
But I'm not too worried. Higher prices for the X360 and PS3 means the Wii has the software price high ground!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Blue Plant on November 01, 2006, 11:12:20 PM
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Originally posted by: TrueNerd
If the Legendary Edition is a wild success, who's to say that $100 games aren't the norm in five years? An extreme possiblity, I know, but it sets a precedent that consumers will do this. I do not want that precedent set, and I would think most people would agree on that one.
Absolutely agree. It's fine and well that these games be offered with special bonuses and materials (much
to the Earthbound mega box of doom), but please keep that stuff as a pre-order bonus or a free pack-in with the first (and second) shipment of games.
Post by: Athrun Zala on November 02, 2006, 05:11:55 AM
QuoteTC+EE? interesting.....seems completely worthless though.....
Originally posted by: ArbokQuote
Originally posted by: Athrun Zala
maybe is there another release I haven't heard about?
Just a few...
in any case, I missed those and the boxed sets.... so there are 3 versions of the DVDs.... (unfair ofr the fans, as they probably will buy every version....)
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on November 02, 2006, 05:55:49 AM
The first collector's edition of a game I ever bought was Warcraft III. I consider it a mixed bag. The art book was nice, but smaller than I'd hoped. The soundtrack CD would have been nice if the soundtrack itself hadn't turned out to be absolutely horrid. The DVD is kind of neat since it also has the cutscenes from the earlier Warcraft games on it. Overall, though, if I had to do it again, I wouldn't buy the collector's edition. Because of that, the only other collector's edition I've bought was for Empire at War, and only because the cheaper version wasn't available anywhere. Talk about a ripoff. It has a screensaver and a couple desktop backgrounds, and a handful of extra maps. Oh, and the box the game came in is all shiny and holographic or something.
So, yeah, I'm pretty turned off of collector's editions.
Post by: vudu on November 02, 2006, 07:46:03 AM
Post by: Ceric on November 02, 2006, 09:20:33 AM
Post by: Artimus on November 02, 2006, 09:37:33 AM
But releasing these new sets, without the option of just buying the new documentaries, is disgusting. They purposely withheld the docs and refused to tell anyone, then they released expensive 2-disc sets to get more money. They should have released the new docs on 1 or 2 discs seperately, as well as with the films. But they didn't, and they deserve to rot in hell. Thankfully that was all New Line, and not Jackson.
This Halo thing I don't see the problem with. They're releasing three versions at the same time and you can choose any. It's not like you're being forced to buy things you don't want. I think a lot of people will love buying the collector's set. To use LOTR again, I own the collectors sets of all the Extended Editions (the ones that came with statues). Those cost a lot more but they were worth it to me, personal. To someone who doesn't care about statues, the option to just buy the films is there. Same with this Halo thing.
Post by: hudsonhawk on November 02, 2006, 10:39:38 AM
If Nintendo was offering a Metroid Prime: Corruption special edition that shipped in a Samus helmet with a ton of extras, you'd be all over it.
I completely disagree that if a bunch of people are willing to pay extra for a special edition of one of the most popular games on the market that ships in a giant plastic head will lead to game inflation.
Consumers have the option of buying this. That's not rape, it's just a dumn overpriced special edition for the rabid fans. You're brazenly trivializing the meaning of the word.
Spiraling development costs and inflation drove up game prices this generation, not little plastic heads.
Post by: Kairon on November 02, 2006, 09:17:41 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I bought the Collector Edition of Warcraft III as well. I was GREATLY disappointed by the game itself and the Art Book. I thought the Art Book would be better considering the masterpiece that was the Warcraft II manual.
QFT.
The WarCraft II Manual was a collector's edition in and of itself. Sorta like the LTTP Player's Guide.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: KDR_11k on November 02, 2006, 10:00:18 PM
Post by: Magik on November 03, 2006, 02:56:25 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
It's optional, why are people complaining?
Because everybody loves to complain about something.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 03, 2006, 05:37:53 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 03, 2006, 06:51:06 AM
Post by: Shecky on November 03, 2006, 05:29:51 PM
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Originally posted by: TrueNerd
What I am upset about is that game prices for Sony and Microsoft have just gone up $10 and just about every game also has a "special" edition for an additional $10. On top of that, companies like EA are nickling and diming gamers for downloadable content that they used to include in their games for free, and don't even get me started on the sh*t Sony is pulling with Gran Turismo. The cost to play video games has gone up a lot in the last year, and will continue to do so.
Also, this is the exact same thing Microsoft did with Halo 2. Halo 2 was one of the first games to have a special edition for $10 more and when they sold a f*ckton of those, they said, "Hey! We can charge these suckers $60 for all games!" And that's exactly what they did. If the Legendary Edition is a wild success, who's to say that $100 games aren't the norm in five years? An extreme possiblity, I know, but it sets a precedent that consumers will do this. I do not want that precedent set, and I would think most people would agree on that one.
If Nintendo really did release an uber edition of Twilight Princess, yeah, you bet I would want it. However, I would do my best to fight that urge knowing that if I and a whole lot of other people bought it, I would likely be paying more for Twilight Princess 2, and that is why this upsets me.
Well, when I gave the TP example, it's not exactly apples to apples. We'll likely never see a TP bundle (GCN and Wii) even though a Zelda collector would probably buy it. Reason is that the games are technically still for two different platforms. It'd be like seeing the same game for PC and Mac bundled together.
I agree with the discouragement of current trends. Micropayments above all are *evil*. Seriously, I'm sad that I don't see more people upset with the concept. Microsoft has outright embarrassed the idea. Nintendo hasn't shown any desire to push the idea in their games, but that doesn't mean they wont if it takes off. After all they do have the right system in place to make it happen (Wii points).
What's the "Gran Turismo thing"?
Post by: TrueNerd on November 04, 2006, 11:53:38 AM
I don't think the idea of microtransactions is inherently a bad one, but no one's done it right yet. I'm not really sure how one does it right, but it certainly isn't THAT. ^
Post by: KDR_11k on November 05, 2006, 02:59:47 AM
Post by: wandering on November 05, 2006, 04:07:06 AM
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It'd be like seeing the same game for PC and Mac bundled together.
Hey, it happens. I specifically remember the special edition Starship Titanic box set coming with cds for both pc and mac.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 05, 2006, 04:40:00 AM
Post by: capamerica on November 05, 2006, 08:05:54 AM
Myth 1 & 2, Duke Nukem 3-D, Mechwarrior 2, Shadow Warrior, Riven, Myst 3: Exile, StarTrek Games (minus Elite Force 1 & 2), Railroad Tycoon 3, You Don't Know Jack, Sim Series (minus The Sims) and most of the Educational and Board games.
If the game wasn't published by MacSoft or Aspyr it was then normally pubished with both versions on the same disc.
Post by: Nick DiMola on November 06, 2006, 11:12:54 AM
Post by: hudsonhawk on November 06, 2006, 11:37:39 AM
I know it's "cool" to hate on Halo but it does a lot of things really really well.
Post by: wandering on November 06, 2006, 11:39:06 AM
j/k
Post by: Nick DiMola on November 06, 2006, 12:20:16 PM
I agree that the Halo 2 online interface is beautiful but the weapons always seemed to ruin the gameplay experience for me. The n00b combo is just irritating to deal with not to mention that goddamned sword. Everytime I ask this question I always hear how easy it is to get an online game going, how does that make the game(play) good?
"It has great set pieces, something you don't see in many games."
hudson can you clarify this for me? I'm not sure what you mean by that.
Post by: hudsonhawk on November 06, 2006, 03:05:35 PM
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Originally posted by: Mr. Jack
I agree that the Halo 2 online interface is beautiful but the weapons always seemed to ruin the gameplay experience for me. The n00b combo is just irritating to deal with not to mention that goddamned sword. Everytime I ask this question I always hear how easy it is to get an online game going, how does that make the game(play) good?
Well two things. One, it reduced the barrier of entry into the game. Did you ever try to play the online multiplayer in Conker? Or GRAW? That's exactly how NOT to do it - you can't set up a game without wading through a sea of options. You have to manually pick which game to choose. It's overwhelming to the casual gamer.
With Halo2 it was so much easier to get your friends to get online and play with you. All of my friends would be on for 4-5 hours a week. There was always a virtual couch for me to join. Clans were a breeze.
Second, it was quick. Just hit Quickmatch and 30 seconds later you were in a match that was no longer than 5 minutes. I play online casually, usually in short bursts, so I don't want to accidently end up in a 30 minute CTF match, or have to fiddle around with finding opponents.
The DS games ape this really really well in theory - but the gameplay types don't vary (no CTF with strangers in MP:Hunters for example - deathmatch only) and waiting to find a match can be an exercise in frustration. Maybe it's by virtue of popularity but even now you don't have to wait for opponents.
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"It has great set pieces, something you don't see in many games."
hudson can you clarify this for me? I'm not sure what you mean by that.
Here's a better definition, courtesy of screenwriter John August:
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A scene or sequence with escalated stakes and production values, as appropriate to the genre. For instance, in an action film, a set-piece might be a helicopter chase amid skyscrapers. In a musical, a set-piece might be a roller-blade dance number. In a high-concept comedy, a set piece might find the claustrophobic hero on an increasingly crowded bus, until he can’t take it anymore. Done right, set-pieces are moments you remember weeks after seeing a movie.
The Halos have lots of moments like this. I remember scenes from it. The bridge crossing in Halo 2... the Silent Cartographer from Halo 1. The production and presentation are very cinematic and very involving.
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on November 06, 2006, 09:00:29 PM
Can we get a list of what this Halo 3 super duper edition has packed in? Something like a special edition controller plus whatever the regular special edition has would totally make it worth it.
edit: I read the link (hurrrr) and it's a bunch of bonus discs and a toy or something. Mmmmmeh.
Post by: Shecky on March 16, 2007, 04:41:12 PM
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Post by: Cortez the Kiler on March 20, 2007, 09:15:30 PM
Riiiigggggghhhhtttt. That explains why Halo 2 is still one of the most played online games. I know it's pointless defending non-nintendo games on this board but it still has to be said that the game does FPS a hell of a lot better than most console games.
The legendary edition is a moot point anyway. It is an extremely limited edition and it is mainly for those that want the helmet. Think of it as a version of Zelda with one of those Link statues.
Post by: Shift Key on March 20, 2007, 09:48:27 PM
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Originally posted by: Cortez the Kiler
Riiiigggggghhhhtttt. That explains why Halo 2 is still one of the most played online games. I know it's pointless defending non-nintendo games on this board but it still has to be said that the game does FPS a hell of a lot better than most console games.
Keyboard and Mouse is how the real FPS do it. Halo's status among other console FPS games is irrelevant because, in the end, that's not where the real competition is.
End thread.
Post by: Dasmos on March 20, 2007, 10:00:48 PM
Quoteyes, halo does do FPS better than simpsons road rage.
Originally posted by: Cortez the Kiler
I know it's pointless defending non-nintendo games on this board but it still has to be said that the game does FPS a hell of a lot better than most console games.
Post by: UERD on March 21, 2007, 04:26:16 AM
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Originally posted by: Shift KeyQuote
Originally posted by: Cortez the Kiler
Riiiigggggghhhhtttt. That explains why Halo 2 is still one of the most played online games. I know it's pointless defending non-nintendo games on this board but it still has to be said that the game does FPS a hell of a lot better than most console games.
Keyboard and Mouse is how the real FPS do it. Halo's status among other console FPS games is irrelevant because, in the end, that's not where the real competition is.
End thread.
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Post by: Cortez the Kiler on March 21, 2007, 07:08:49 AM
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Originally posted by: Shift KeyQuote
Originally posted by: Cortez the Kiler
Riiiigggggghhhhtttt. That explains why Halo 2 is still one of the most played online games. I know it's pointless defending non-nintendo games on this board but it still has to be said that the game does FPS a hell of a lot better than most console games.
Keyboard and Mouse is how the real FPS do it. Halo's status among other console FPS games is irrelevant because, in the end, that's not where the real competition is.
End thread.
Maybe it's just me but I find just as much enjoyment with a great console FPS as I do with the PC counterpart. So far the XBox has been the only source of quality console FPS experience but hopefully the Wii will eventually have a killer shooter of its own. Rainbow Six: Vegas, Halo 2, and Call of Duty 2 were all really fun games. The console FPS is a different beast but when done right it can be just as fun as the PC counterpart. It will be interesting to see how Shadowrun works with the PC vs. console experience.
