Post by: S-U-P-E-R on October 30, 2006, 10:17:14 PM
Post by: Shift Key on October 30, 2006, 10:29:38 PM
Post by: Dasmos on October 31, 2006, 03:01:16 AM
Quotethis is BEST NEWS
Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-R
Phoenix Wright II spoilers MAYA DIES
Post by: Athrun Zala on October 31, 2006, 04:20:26 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on October 31, 2006, 07:06:33 AM
Link is a shepherd/rancher in the small village of Toaru. Toaru Village is one of the many several "lands" that populate the world which border the main kingdom of Hyrule. Every year a great festival is held in Hyrule where the leaders from all the lands come to Hyrule to talk. Something major is keeping the mayor of Toaru Village from going, so the mayor sends Link in his stead. Link has hurt his horse Epona, however, and Ilia takes Epona to fountain to heal. When Link arrives at the fountain, they are ambushed by mean looking villains riding boars. They knock out Link, shoot Ilia with arrows (she is presumed dead) and kidnap a young boy named Colin. When Link comes to, he charges off after them, towards Hyrule. Link comes across a strange black wall that block the path to Hyrule. When Link approaches, a hand jumps out and pulls Link into the Twilight Realm, where becomes a wolf and is captured.
After escaping the prison with Midna's help, and clearing several dungeons you meet the guy who ambushed you and Ilia again, and he has Colin tied up to a giant pole. After knocking off his armor by chasing him around Hyrule Field, you get in an awesome jousting match. With the proper timing, you can knock the villain into the abyss and rescue Colin.
SPOILAHRZ
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 31, 2006, 08:32:44 AM
Maya was the worst thing to happen to that franchise. Whoever at Capcom thought that Phoenix needed a plucky UNDERAGE female sidekick should be shot.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 31, 2006, 08:55:48 AM
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At last, the Fey sisters can finally burn in hell together.
Hey hey HEY! Show some respect towards Mia fey!
I agree Maya was useless and annoying as hell, but Mia was not only HOT she had smarts and helped Phoenix out of many a pickle. I was very upset to see her die so early on.
In other words, Maya should burn in hell with her annoying, underage videogame characters.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 31, 2006, 09:15:57 AM
But yeah, Maya was just irritating. I would have enjoyed the game a great deal more if they didn't riddle it with awful anime stereotypes.
Post by: ThePerm on October 31, 2006, 09:25:10 AM
Post by: Smoke39 on October 31, 2006, 10:17:29 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 31, 2006, 10:25:37 AM
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What was wrong with Maya? Phoenix made fun of her, so it's all good.
What annoys me the most about her is that she is mainly a pretty face with some humor thrown in.
I won't deny that Maya...
1. Can summon Mia when Phoenix is in a jam
2. Took a shock treatment for Phoenix, then got a vital piece of evidence Von Karma was stealing
But most of the time, she is there being cute and trying to be funny. It's like the writers wanted a comedic character to follow Phoenix around, then thought they would do better if they created a character that embodies the "annoying young girl" stereotype seen in so many anime.
I admit that I don't hate her to the point where I wish her dead, but it is certainly understandable why people don't like her as a character.
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on October 31, 2006, 01:21:25 PM
or rather, Mayoi-chan :3
Post by: wandering on October 31, 2006, 01:57:19 PM
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I won't deny that Maya...
1. Can summon Mia when Phoenix is in a jam
This is the only thing about Maya I don't like.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 31, 2006, 02:40:51 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Maya was the worst thing to happen to that franchise. Whoever at Capcom thought that Phoenix needed a plucky UNDERAGE female sidekick should be shot.
More like given a raise! ^_^
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on October 31, 2006, 03:11:37 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 04, 2007, 07:00:17 PM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on March 04, 2007, 11:41:15 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 05, 2007, 03:26:44 AM
He and Maya live in JfA.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 05, 2007, 06:51:31 AM
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Did you play the Japanese version?
He and Maya live in JfA.
I have the feeling that Super is playing with us...
I checked brief summaries of the cases in JFA and none mention anyone dying.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 05, 2007, 06:55:54 AM
As for Edgeworth, Phoenix talks like he's dead at one point but that turns out to not be the case.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 05, 2007, 09:21:39 AM
Post by: wandering on March 05, 2007, 09:59:29 AM
...Though, come to think of it, I guess Maya probably does die if you lose the final case.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 05, 2007, 10:42:30 AM
PW seemed to be a series which was built from the ground up to take death lightly (Advance Wars, anyone?). I wasn't even planning on playing the game until I was bored during this recent drought so I rented it through gamefly. I was pleasantly surprised when Edgeworth lived but Maya not getting dusted was irritating (not that she wouldn't just keep coming back via channeling through Pearl anyway, but still...).
Post by: Shift Key on March 05, 2007, 11:07:00 AM
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You thought super was serious, sb?
Bam, thread summary in one sentence!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 05, 2007, 11:51:13 AM
And frankly, I thought Super was being a funny dick by posting the spoiler on the funhouse thread.
Post by: wandering on March 05, 2007, 02:43:28 PM
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What reason did I have not to? The writers were perfectly happy killing Mia in the very second case in the first game and the introduction of Pearl seemed like an obvious set-up for Maya's death in the second one.
You might be right that killing off a main character is something the game writers would not be shy of, however...
Revealing a major plot twist in a thread title would be a really jerky thing to do, and, as we have already established, NWR has no real jerks! Therefore, the so-called "spoiler" S-U-P-E-R put in his thread title could not really have been a spoiler at all!
Post by: Khushrenada on March 05, 2007, 02:45:16 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 05, 2007, 03:40:46 PM
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What reason did I have not to? The writers were perfectly happy killing Mia in the very second case in the first game and the introduction of Pearl seemed like an obvious set-up for Maya's death in the second one.
You might be right that killing off a main character is something the game writers would not be shy of, however...
Revealing a major plot twist in a thread title would be a really jerky thing to do, and, as we have already established, NWR has no real jerks! Therefore, the so-called "spoiler" S-U-P-E-R put in his thread title could not really have been a spoiler at all!
I think me and S_B have been pwned...BY JUSTICE!
And to think S_B was going to avoid JFA because he feared the series was turning into a never ending bloodbath :p .
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on March 06, 2007, 02:44:40 AM
TYP sent me an angry IM right after I posted this thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 07, 2007, 05:05:45 AM
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And to think S_B was going to avoid JFA because he feared the series was turning into a never ending bloodbath :p .
I was going to avoid it anyway.
The whole "text adventure w/graphics" bit was admittedly fun the first time, but I wasn't sure how many more times I'd be able to play a game with the exact same formula, hence why I never bought it when it came out and only played it now during a drought.
Capcom is also starting to look like Sega with rampant content reuse. They basically made sure that nearly every character from the first one made a return because it meant drawing and animating fewer characters.
That said, yeah, I thought you were serious, but it was because I figured Capcom would have no qualms with "removing" characters from the game and I already knew Edgeworth was being replaced by Von Karma.
None of what you posted was "OMG! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!" material so I just took it at face value.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 07, 2007, 05:27:01 AM
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And to think S_B was going to avoid JFA because he feared the series was turning into a never ending bloodbath :p .
I was going to avoid it anyway.
The whole "text adventure w/graphics" bit was admittedly fun the first time, but I wasn't sure how many more times I'd be able to play a game with the exact same formula, hence why I never bought it when it came out and only played it now during a drought.
Capcom is also starting to look like Sega with rampant content reuse. They basically made sure that nearly every character from the first one made a return because it meant drawing and animating fewer characters.
That said, yeah, I thought you were serious, but it was because I figured Capcom would have no qualms with "removing" characters from the game and I already knew Edgeworth was being replaced by Von Karma.
None of what you posted was "OMG! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!" material so I just took it at face value.
Starting?? Dude, PW is basically a dress rehearsal compared to the king of re-used material, the Street Fighter/VS. series.
And I understand what you are saying. I LOVED the first Kingdom Hearts because it was the first of its kind, but I only enjoyed Kingdom Hearts 2 because it was more of the same and it lacked the magic of the first.
Sadly, it looks like PW 4, which looks to be the first true evolution of the series, will be more of the same.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 07, 2007, 05:36:15 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 07, 2007, 05:39:00 AM
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SADLY!? More like why change a winning formula?
I saw footage of the first chapter and played near identical to the first two games, complete with shaking screens and sound effects.
I'll admit, though, that I haven't heard anything about the game besides the new characters and some plot elements. Does this new edition changes the gameplay?
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 07, 2007, 05:42:07 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 07, 2007, 07:17:22 AM
If they involved more puzzle-solving between courtroom sessions instead of simply poking around until you figure out what the game wants you to present to random witnesses then I could see it as an improvement for the series.
Post by: ShyGuy on March 07, 2007, 08:08:16 AM
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How many of you guys thought it was a real spoiler? Be honest!
TYP sent me an angry IM right after I posted this thread
I did. it seemed like the jerk kinda thing SUPER would do.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 07, 2007, 09:14:21 AM
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PW2 is just more of the first one except that it uses a special item which basically allows you to cross-examine people outside of the courtroom to get them to spill their secrets.
If they involved more puzzle-solving between courtroom sessions instead of simply poking around until you figure out what the game wants you to present to random witnesses then I could see it as an improvement for the series.
But how would puzzles work in the grand scheme of things?
You mean like in Ace attorney when in the fifth case you needed to spell out the name on the bloody vase?
Or puzzles as if you need to gather evidence and tie them together so that it all points out to the guilty party?
Post by: wandering on March 08, 2007, 03:01:14 PM
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PW2 is just more of the first one except that it uses a special item which basically allows you to cross-examine people outside of the courtroom to get them to spill their secrets.
If they involved more puzzle-solving between courtroom sessions instead of simply poking around until you figure out what the game wants you to present to random witnesses then I could see it as an improvement for the series.
I think the investigations in Phoenix Wright 2 were so annoying because the developers were trying to fix what they thought was wrong with the investigations in Phoenix Wright 1. In the first four cases of the first game, you only had to present a piece of evidence to someone if it was something that would make him or her more willing to talk. I believe this changed because the developers thought the investigations in PW1 didn't require enough thought - they wanted the player to come to the conclusion that she should ask such-and-such a character about such-and-such a person on her own, and so didn't want the game to give her that option up front. And that's why you spend the investigations in PW2 showing every single profile and piece of evidence to every single character.
...But don't fear! I'm pretty sure the developers realized that their fix sucked, or at least that the investigations were still the weakest part of the series. Which is why, in the third game, there are absolutely no investigations at all. And which is also why I'm hopeful for the investigations in the fourth.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 08, 2007, 05:35:21 PM
Strangely enough, I didn't have much problem with presenting the right evidence to people. I seemed to get it right on the first or second try.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 09, 2007, 03:20:27 AM
Post by: wandering on March 09, 2007, 11:08:07 AM
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They did away with investigations in 3? Seriously?
Pretty sure. Where did I read that? Oh, in this review.
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The gameplay, for the most part, is interesting only because it is refreshing: this is an adventure game, as I have said, that involves no pointing, no clicking on flowerpots, no walking around, no choosing from a pull-down list of locations, no raping your little sister with an octopus, no asking locals for information, no quick-timer-events involving a bar full of bikers when you're supposed to be looking for sailors, no half-assed rendition of the Virtua Fighter 3 fighting engine; not even the phrase "UHO! YARANAIKA?" No -- as I have said, it barely never leaves a courtroom. Or, well, at least, it mostly never leaves the courthouse. There are occasional recess scenes in the hall right outside the courtroom. And Naruhodo's office.
Surprised me too.
