Post by: Deguello on October 20, 2006, 03:34:20 AM
Only recently Poster Ian Sane made this snide comment in the Wii section of this forum.
"Good to hear that Nintendo won't be the sole seller of the cables this time around. Then maybe they won't cut the feature out of Wii's later on using self-inflicted poor sales as justification."
Basically out of nowhere and somewhat misguided.
But since Ian has a good memory and can remember back to March 19, 2004 when PGC posted that news story, I say we take a look back from March 19, 2004 to the present and see all the wonderful things Ian has said that in the interim. Since Ian likes to bank and catalog every single one of Nintendo's mistakes, no matter how trivial, I say there should be an equivalent bank for his predictions and complaints.
The only rule of this thread is this. Ian Sane cannot post in this thread for two weeks. He will be given a chance to defend himself, should he choose, but not until there is a prepoderance of evidence. Since this is the funhouse I can do such. Doing so beforehand might result in cosequences.
I will start.
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So in conclusion I'm only moderately impressed with Metroid Prime Hunters thus far. However I'm considerably impressed with the DS. The face buttons are really small which may be a problem with some games but otherwise I'm quite pleased with the general design. If Nintendo had something more interesting at launch I probably would have pre-ordered it right then and there.
Wow it's like he's might actually like the DS and, even if the Launch games might not be fantastickal, he will pick up the system in due t-
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So Super Mario 64 DS really is the only first party launch title. F*CK THIS! Do you hear that Nintendo? It's the sound of my money being put back into my wallet. There's no way in HELL I'm buying one of these at launch. Hell even the announced future games don't look so hot so it might be years before I buy one of these things.
This is by far the worst launch lineup for any major system ever. I'm voting with my wallet. Don't make excuses for this. If this launch disappoints you don't buy the DS at launch and tell Nintendo that you're not going to put up with this crap
Wow, that enthusiasm disappeared quickly. I mean wow, that was like only two months, from "Might have pre-ordered" to ""I hate this"
Can you people (minus IAN) find other examples?
Post by: Infernal Monkey on October 20, 2006, 03:52:59 AM
Post by: Pale on October 20, 2006, 04:43:13 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 20, 2006, 05:13:27 AM
Also that progression is logical, he said he'd buy it if the software lineup improves and it turned out worse than anticipated.
Post by: Caliban on October 20, 2006, 05:17:18 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on October 20, 2006, 07:00:07 AM
Boss: "Congratulations Ian, I'm giving you a raise."
Ian: "Another $2.00 an hour? This is $%^&!, Way to screw up again, boss. Nobody will purchase our product/services thanks to this shortsightedness."
Boss: "Security, please escort this former employee..."
Post by: Mario on October 20, 2006, 07:36:09 AM
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The Case Against Ian
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=logic
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Post by: Spak-Spang on October 20, 2006, 12:07:28 PM
It would be much harder to make a case FOR Ian.
This is the one situation where the prosecution already has its case wrapped up in a pretty bow...and the defense save the little Insane Ian.
Post by: Ian Sane on October 20, 2006, 02:01:44 PM
Post by: Svevan on October 20, 2006, 03:08:25 PM
Post by: UncleBob on October 20, 2006, 03:18:22 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I may not have popular opinions but at least I don't start threads bashing other forumers. I think it's especially a conflict of interest for a staff member with the power to ban other users to be starting them. I can't exactly start a thread bashing them in response, can I? Not that I would but my ability to stand up for myself is compromised. Picking on other forumers probably wouldn't be tolerated if a non-staff member was involved.
It would as long as it was in the funhouse...
Pick on Evan
Pick on Pale
Pick on Pryo
Pick on wandering
Pick on Bill
Pick on Dasmos
More Pick on wandering
Pick on 18Days
Post by: wandering on October 20, 2006, 03:28:01 PM
Post by: UncleBob on October 20, 2006, 03:29:22 PM
Post by: mantidor on October 20, 2006, 08:12:14 PM
This particular case is pretty weak, comparing posts made long after announcements were made to posts made inmediatly after such announcement, the reactions of someone will be very different. I can call ALL of you except Bill because he's crazy in the thread about the announcement of the horrible "wii" name and how everyone hated it with their guts. Actually, Ian contradicts himself less than many other posters, but Im too lazy to try to work a case on them.
I say bring back the Ian love!, hes the only one telling the truth out there, much needed in this hype train of late, he's keeping you people with your feet on the ground.
The defense rests
worst thread ever btw, at least try to be funny about it next time, this is the funhouse after all
Post by: Deguello on October 20, 2006, 08:15:21 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I may not have popular opinions but at least I don't start threads bashing other forumers.
You must not be familiar with the funhouse, nublet. Your opinions are unpopular. So unpopular in fact, that I predict they will be unpopular int he future when the entire landscape of games change. All you need to know is what Nintendo is doing or saying now so you can be against it. The Blind Fanboy may be a stock forum character, but so is the Anti-Fanboy.
Your concern over the DS's marketshare in early 2005 morphed suddenly into concern over your opinion of the quality of DS games currently. You even had Kairon fooled there.
Your desire for Nintendo to market to casual fans turns into angst when Nintendo calls them by another name. (Non-Gamers)
Your incessant whining that Nintendo never does anything new is tarnished when you don't PLAY or even TALK ABOUT those new games they DO make, citing reviews that you say you never listen to, and instead bitch about Mario being in another game, paying no attention to anything else.
You deride sequels that are sequels to games that you are not OK with there being sequels to, which is something a Nintendojo staffer might do on a good day.
You talk a big deal about "tradition" in consoles, such as only releasing one game in a series per console, and then state that one of your favorite games is Yoshi's Island, something that would break the tradition you purport. And THEN you get scared that they might cancel the GC version of Zelda: TP, even though that would conform to your "tradition" theory.
You slam spinoffs and yet again list Yoshi's Island as a favorite, which is a spinoff of Mario, and even Mario himself who is a spinoff of Donkey Kong.
Like a previous poster said it becomes less an annoyance and more concern over how you are in real life.
It is seriously a matter for concern.
Post by: Deguello on October 20, 2006, 08:22:09 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
I love Ian! Ill be the devil's advocate here.
This particular case is pretty weak, comparing posts made long after announcements were made to posts made inmediatly after such announcement, the reactions of someone will be very different. I can call ALL of you except Bill because he's crazy in the thread about the announcement of the horrible "wii" name and how everyone hated it with their guts. Actually, Ian contradicts himself less than many other posters, but Im too lazy to try to work a case on them.
I say bring back the Ian love!, hes the only one telling the truth out there, much needed in this hype train of late, he's keeping you people with your feet on the ground.
The defense rests
worst thread ever btw, at least try to be funny about it next time, this is the funhouse after all
This is the funhouse, which means I can make a post as silly or as serious as I want. I thought this would be safe in here because Ian said he never visits the Funhouse, but but I guess he changed his position on that, too.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 20, 2006, 08:49:34 PM
You...everyone notices when you are here...and not here.
Post by: Kairon on October 20, 2006, 08:58:25 PM
... Don't leave us again! *bawls*
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: blackfootsteps on October 20, 2006, 11:06:58 PM
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Originally posted by: Deguello... The Blind Fanboy may be a stock forum character, but so is the Anti-Fanboy. ...
But Ian is the only one on these forums who could qualify for that role, without him around I think people's expectations would go through the roof. I think he does a good job, keep on keeping on Ian. Ian really needs to play Mafia.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 21, 2006, 12:50:18 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Ian: You should actually feel special. You are a unique voice to this forum which actually is missed and noticed when it is gone. Sure we bash you, but really most of the people (including myself) if they disappeared most of the readers wouldn't even notice.
You...everyone notices when you are here...and not here.
I like Ian even when he does say some ridiculous things and has confusing arguments from time to time (don't we all?). Though I do think he needs another vacation to get the grumpyness out again
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Post by: Smoke39 on October 21, 2006, 01:14:01 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 21, 2006, 08:19:11 AM
Post by: Ceric on October 21, 2006, 09:42:39 AM
Yeah, I'm not the most rational one around here by a long shot. But I enjoy most of Ian's posts. Though I don't care for the ones that have little substance and a lot of words. Though thats with anyone really.
Post by: Kairon on October 21, 2006, 10:03:32 AM
I swear, it's so hard to find logical, intelligent, rational and passionate dissenting opinion nowadays.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Karl Castaneda #2 on October 21, 2006, 11:52:43 AM
He's a Negative Nancy, but he's our Negative Nancy. Deg's just a sourpuss.
Post by: Mario on October 22, 2006, 12:01:39 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 22, 2006, 02:16:16 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario
I don't respect someone who's wrong, no matter how many fancy words they cover it up with
Ouch, that is pretty brutal Mario!
Post by: Deguello on October 22, 2006, 02:26:10 AM
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You [Ian]...everyone notices when you are here...and not here.
Yes I certainly notice it. I like it better here when he's not.
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I swear, it's so hard to find logical, intelligent, rational and passionate dissenting opinion nowadays.
Passionate, maybe. Don't know about those other three.
I don't know where this "respect" for Ian comes from. Probably his seniority as a poster here, which is a nice gesture but misguided. He used to have my respect as the "annoying guy who unfortunately has a point." Now he's just "annoying." And it got to that point because of this one trait that I CANNOT STAND in people. He holds disingenuous opinions just for the sake of argument.
Remember those lengthy diatribes about how Nintendo never makes an original game nowadays? To the best of my knowledge here are the original games that Nintendo made, commisioned, and/or brought over from Japan for the first time, for GBA/Cube.
Pikmin
Animal Crossing
Eternal Darkness
Fire Emblem
Advance Wars
Custom Robo
Geist
Odama
Drill Dozer
Batallion Wars (Totally different)
Chibi-Robo
WarioWare (If he thinks it is even similar to the Wario Platformers, he is nuts)
Cubivore (Nintendo made it, although Atlus published it)
Golden Sun
Baten Kaitos (They published the second installment, so I'm counting it)
It's not a gigantic amount, and I'm not saying they are all great, but that's goodly amount. However, I dobut Ian owns or played or rented or tried or read about or even followed up upon a vast majority of these. Usually when asked he'll dig out a website or magazine review (the same he says he didn't listen to in 2003) and say "it doesn't appeal to him." Oh dear, original games not appealing to him? Hell I thought he'd be ALL OVER Drill Dozer. I mean hell, it's a platformer, from Nintendo, that doesn't have Mario in it. And the reviews say its great! So where is he? Probably somewhere else bitching that Mario is in a another game. He talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk, so to speak.
In contrast check out the original games for just the DS (again commission/published/made by Nintendo):
Clubhouse Games
Magical Starsign
Trace Memory
Hotel Dusk
Nintendogs
Brain Age
Magnetica
Meteos
Elite Beat Agents (or Ouendan, either version)
Trauma Center (HA HA! Published by nintendo in the UK)
Polarium
DS Air
True Swing Golf
Electroplankton
Big Brain Academy
This doesn't even include the stuff that may or may not be localized like Project Hacker, Band Brothers, Touch Panic, Tingle RPG (same reason as Wario Ware), and that Mech Pilot game that I can't pronounce. Even better Mario has only shown up less in DS games, AND Nintendo has the lion's share of third party support with most of the big hitters, AND they are the number #1 handheld in the world, AND the franchise games are some of the best games in the series, if not THE best, which most if not all of the magazine and website reviewers concurring. Some feature the inclusion of Online gameplay for the first time, which has been a MAJOR bitch point for Ian that has been resolved.
So is Ian all over this platform like a Ugly on a Gorilla? Is he hailing in a new Golden Age of Nintendo that follows the advice he gave before? Is he at least not bitching so much? HELL NO. He STILL bitches that Mario is in another game. HE STILL says that these games do not appeal to him, writing some off as "tech demos" like a damn PSP fanboy for god's sake. He holds some of Nintendo's newer original titles AGAINST Nintendo by saying they are forgetting Nintendo's hardcore fans. Gone is the 2003-2004 version of Ian where he wanted Nintendo to make and secure certain games that would increase their marketshare and image, even if he didn't find those games appealing. In comes the 2005-2006 version of Ian with his new outlook on Nintendo that requires them to cater to his selfish want and demand, while attempting to be a demogogue for the hardcore Nintendo fans he used to say were "misguided" and "hurting Nintendo."
I don't care what his opinion of Nintendo is, but I AM SICK OF THIS. I am tired of him running circles in his Anger Loop(tm), and I hate it when he turns every single thread in which he posts into a goddamn Nintendo's Mistakes History lesson. I hate it when he holds disingeunous opinions, only to discard them when he can no longer argue with them, favoring the opposite viewpoint for maximum argument. It is boring. It is tiresome. The record has worn down from your playing your bitchy whine-fest over and over.
DERKA DERKA MUHAMMAD JIHAD.
Post by: Dasmos on October 22, 2006, 03:29:39 AM
Post by: Karl Castaneda #2 on October 22, 2006, 06:46:48 AM
Also, serious posting ARE NOT ALLOWEDED IN THE FUHNHOOS!
Post by: ShyGuy on October 22, 2006, 09:39:34 AM
Post by: mantidor on October 22, 2006, 09:54:36 AM
Ian always has a point, is just not a popular one. This isnt because hes an old poster, his arguments are as a valid as anyones, most of the rants that go on here are speculation, personal opinion or personal tastes, everyone has the right to like or dislike whatever they want.
oh and I like bunnies
ok honestly I hate bunnies sue me :P
Post by: Kairon on October 22, 2006, 10:46:35 AM
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Originally posted by: Deguello
Passionate, maybe. Don't know about those other three.
Well, I'll take what I can get.
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...check out the original games for just the DS...
Shouldn't Eyeshield 21 be on that list?
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Smoke39 on October 22, 2006, 02:02:18 PM
Post by: King of Twitch on October 23, 2006, 10:31:06 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on October 24, 2006, 07:46:03 AM
Post by: vudu on November 03, 2006, 10:10:45 AM
QuoteThat's the most retarded thing I've ever read.
My theory is that the classic controller was an afterthought and whoever was assigned the task of designing it really doesn't know much about videogames. They just looked at the PS2 controller and used that model since it's so popular. They probably don't know that NONE of the VC games were designed with a Dualshock design in mind
Post by: MarioAllStar on November 03, 2006, 02:52:42 PM
Many of his points are valid and he does not always criticize Nintendo. I have seen several instances where he stated that Nintendo did a good job. To say that he tries to find fault in everything is not true.
Post by: Mario on November 03, 2006, 03:03:42 PM
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Originally posted by: vudu
This upset me so much I just have to post it here to save forever.QuoteThat's the most retarded thing I've ever read.
My theory is that the classic controller was an afterthought and whoever was assigned the task of designing it really doesn't know much about videogames. They just looked at the PS2 controller and used that model since it's so popular. They probably don't know that NONE of the VC games were designed with a Dualshock design in mind
LMAO
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 03, 2006, 03:40:04 PM
He feels like the church he has been attending to for YEARS is turning against him and itself, creating radical new ways of thinking that are completely changing the church. Even if these changes are converting people like crazy he believes that it is a bad decision.
In other words, Ian is the obsessed follower who refuses to believe in new, radical thought process for the mere fact that it goes against what he thinks.
Post by: Svevan on November 03, 2006, 03:54:06 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on November 03, 2006, 10:15:30 PM
Dirty Hippies, coming in here with there Biz-Casual games and Mario sports...
Post by: vudu on November 04, 2006, 03:46:17 AM
QuoteChange is good.
Originally posted by: ShyGuy
I concur. If that is Ian, then I can go for his principles too.
There was a time in this country when all citizens didn't have equal rights. Would it be okay if an old man thought that minorities shouldn't have the same rights as caucasians? What about if he didn't think women should be allowed to vote, own property or work outside the home?
If you agree with Ian you're not only racist, but you're sexist (no Evan, not sexy) as well.
Post by: MarioAllStar on November 04, 2006, 07:38:51 AM
Racism/sexism take away others' ability to live a happy life. At worst, Ian's opinions only make himself miss out on some fun games.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 04, 2006, 09:13:52 AM
I don't know Ian personally, so I can't judge his personality on silly online ramblings. I know this from experience...
As I mentioned in the Smash Brothers thread, my best and dearest friend in my life was at first I was annoyed at because of his constant rants and bashings against Melee, but once I cleared away all of that I discovered an amazing human being that I hold dearly.
Another friend of mine I dearly cherish is the most opinionated guy I know. He isn't afraid of saying what he thinks, even if his opinion isn't the most popular one. There are times in which he makes some unfair conclusions because of his opinions. But deep down he has a heart of gold. He isn't perfect, but he is also one of the best friends I had the pleasure of meeting.
What I am getting at is had I based my judgment on their ONLINE behaviors they would've been my enemies.
So I do find Ian annoying as a poster, but I can't say how he is as a person because I never met him.
Just wanted to make that clear...
Post by: IceCold on November 04, 2006, 11:49:44 AM
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Sloppy stupid screwups for no reason - the very thing I think sunk the Cube worse than anything. Though I don't think it's quite as important this time since the PS3 is such a joke. Still ever since we first saw the "Revolution" in its black colour, DVD playback, and Gamecube backwards compatibility the typical Nintendo screw-ups have started to pile on and pretty much all of the things I praised Nintendo for doing then have disappeared.
Post by: Svevan on November 04, 2006, 03:52:57 PM
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Change is good.
Only if the thing being changed was bad in the first place. Changing something that is good into something that is morally ambiguous is not good, even though "change" has occurred. The metaphor of the church is incredibly important to this discussion, and it could also be applied to politics, art, etc - change for the sake of change is amoral. The value of the thing being changed determines whether the change was right or wrong. If Ian stands up for an old, traditional, right way then more power to him. If he is resistant to changing things that are outmoded or problematic, then he's a stick in the mud.
Post by: Nick DiMola on November 04, 2006, 04:36:45 PM
Post by: vudu on November 04, 2006, 06:16:16 PM
QuoteYou heard it here, folks--Evan thinks minorities are "morally ambiguous".
Originally posted by: Svevan
Changing something that is good into something that is morally ambiguous is not good
Post by: Kairon on November 04, 2006, 06:33:05 PM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: IceCold on November 04, 2006, 08:09:38 PM
Post by: Svevan on November 04, 2006, 08:36:51 PM
Post by: Kairon on November 04, 2006, 08:59:50 PM
"Change is inevitable"
Hmm... now imagine that in a Hugo Weaving Voice...
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Smoke39 on November 04, 2006, 10:19:48 PM
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Originally posted by: Svevan
I should've known getting serious in the Funhouse was a bad mistake. *sigh*
Don't cry, Svev. I won't make fun of you. *hugs*
Post by: ShyGuy on November 05, 2006, 06:42:06 AM
Post by: wandering on November 05, 2006, 07:54:35 AM
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Ian [...] [is] like a stubborn old guy.
Oh, I don't think he's like a stubborn old guy.
Bum-dum-ching.
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change for the sake of change is amoral. The value of the thing being changed determines whether the change was right or wrong. If Ian stands up for an old, traditional, right way then more power to him. If he is resistant to changing things that are outmoded or problematic, then he's a stick in the mud.
Sounds good...except changes can't be easily categorized as 'good' or 'bad'. Horse-and-carriages are outmoded and problematic, but cars warm the environment and kill tons of people each year.
Post by: Mario on November 05, 2006, 02:56:40 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on November 05, 2006, 04:16:48 PM
Post by: Kairon on November 05, 2006, 07:42:35 PM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Smoke39 on November 05, 2006, 08:51:04 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on November 05, 2006, 08:54:46 PM
Why hasn't Vudu changed his icon? Does he hate women and minorities likes the old peoples do???
Post by: oohhboy on November 06, 2006, 04:08:21 AM
[Smart off]
I think is teh Ian fr@gging mesages. where the red?
Post by: vudu on November 30, 2006, 06:15:27 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I don't see anything exceptional regarding the Wii launch. They've got a few first party games, one is a huge title but isn't really an exclusive. They've got about the same level of third party support at launch as they did with the Cube. They've got a lot of the American third parties that support everyone while most of the really good Japanese third parties are absent for now (Ubisoft and EA mean nothing; merely releasing a product ensures their support). There are a few new names showing excitement for the Wii but in the meantime Nintendo lost others and as the Cube demonstrated third parties showing excitement about a console doesn't mean squat. And there looks to be a drought of decent titles after launch, just like the Cube. I don't see anything incredibly poor with the Wii launch but it isn't beyond what should be expected. Arrogant Nintendo is the norm and I think it's too early to say that they've broken out of this mold yet. Just because Sony is being insanely arrogant doesn't mean Nintendo isn't. They just look better in comparison.
Plus their arrogance shines through with the VC. The games are overpriced and the selection sucks. As usual Nintendo is trying to squeeze every penny out of their customers. That is typical Nintendo arrogance. That is their usual assumption that they can dick us around and get away with it. Hell just look at that BS "no potential for North American market" line being fed to us. Until that sort of behaviour isn't commonplace I'm not going to think Nintendo has changed.
Post by: segagamer12 on December 02, 2006, 07:37:11 PM
Plus Ian is a musician which earn him respect in mybook. I even have one of his songs on my I-pod.
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on December 03, 2006, 01:31:59 AM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
In all fairness Ian sane is the reason I joned these forums in the first place.
You're not helping his case
Post by: Athrun Zala on December 03, 2006, 05:20:50 AM
Quotelol
Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-RQuote
Originally posted by: segagamer12
In all fairness Ian sane is the reason I joned these forums in the first place.
You're not helping his case
I agree though XD
Post by: segagamer12 on December 03, 2006, 05:25:59 PM
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Post by: segagamer12 on December 03, 2006, 08:01:16 PM
Post by: Berto2K on January 25, 2009, 02:50:36 AM
Ian complains about not having his "core" games. Then go buy a fucking 360 or PS3 and leave a Nintendo site behind you. Honestly, you talk so much crap for someone who doesn't say much of anything at all and it annoys the vast majority of the people here.
EDIT: Damn, didn't notice this thread was so old when linked to it. However it all still holds true.
