EB Games and GameStop no longer taking pre-orders on Gamecube Zelda Twilight Princess ??
that much is true because I called not one, but two local GameStops, both confirmed they're no longer taking pre-orders.
now the question shifts to..... is Nintendo going to supply a limited number of Gamecube versions to retail, or is it being pulled from retail altogother ??
in Japan it's retail only. wonder it Nintendo will do the same here. I hope not, I already have my copy half paid for at GS. they said it wouldn't be a problem because they would just give me my money back, but still, it would be incredibly irritating if i can't just pick it up from my closest GS, I WANT to have to order it online. but I will if I have to.
yeah yeah I know some of you guys will say "Gamecube is dead" "Gamecube version canceled" . blah blah.
but for those of you that care and are getting the GCN version, what are your thoughts on this and what are your plans?
btw, call your GameStop (and EBs) and ask to verify this. if at first they haven't heard, ask them to check their company email.
also call Nintendo of America 1-800 255-3700 and ask what the heck is going on. flood their lines and demand a real, non-scripted answer.
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Post by: Ceric on October 19, 2006, 08:47:05 AM
EB Games and GameStop no longer taking pre-orders on Gamecube Zelda Twilight Princess ??
that much is true because I called not one, but two local GameStops, both confirmed they're no longer taking pre-orders.
now the question shifts to..... is Nintendo going to supply a limited number of Gamecube versions to retail, or is it being pulled from retail altogother ??
in Japan it's online only. wonder it Nintendo will do the same here. I hope not, I already have my copy half paid for at GS. they said it wouldn't be a problem because they would just give me my money back, but still, it would be incredibly irritating if i can't just pick it up from my closest GS, I don't WANT to have to order it online. but I will if I have to.
yeah yeah I know some of you guys will say "Gamecube is dead" "Gamecube version canceled" . blah blah.
but for those of you that care and are getting the GCN version, what are your thoughts on this and what are your plans?
btw, call your GameStop (and EBs) and ask to verify this. if at first they haven't heard, ask them to check their company email.
also call Nintendo of America 1-800 255-3700 and ask what the heck is going on. flood their lines and demand a real, non-scripted answer.
Personally I think with how long the Pre-Orders have been going on and the like that the Gamestop Empire should get games from Nintendo at the very least for the people who pre-order it even if NOA makes it Online only. I really doubt they are though.
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Post by: Pale on October 19, 2006, 11:13:29 AM
In my opinion, this would be a good business decision for Nintendo. Hell, cancelling the game all together would be a good business decision for Nintendo.
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Post by: Kairon on October 19, 2006, 11:21:25 AM
Uh oh, time to check with my ancient pre-order...
~Carmine M. Red Kairon@aol.com
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Post by: Renny on October 19, 2006, 11:22:46 AM
A good business decision if they want my boot up their asses. Anyone who remembers that the GameCube version still exists by December 11th should get it free.
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Post by: Ian Sane on October 19, 2006, 11:46:49 AM
If Nintendo cancels the Cube version I will order the Japanese one and use a translation guide. I'm not going to let them force me into buying a version of the game I want nothing to do with. I'm hoping that after YEARS of promises and all this time of dangling us along that Nintendo wouldn't cancel a game less than two months from release. If they do that it's the last straw. F*ck 'em. That would just confirm once and for all that they treat their fans like sh!t and don't deserve anyone's support.
And if it is cancelled somehow I'll get revenge on all the jerks here that have supported the idea (this is sorta a joke). You get the version you want. Let the rest of us get ours.
The sad thing is that if they did cancel it most fans would just suck it up and bend over.
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Post by: Arbok on October 19, 2006, 12:16:05 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Ian Sane If Nintendo cancels the Cube version I will order the Japanese one and use a translation guide.
Why do I find it hard to believe that you would spend $75 for a version of the game in a language you can't understand, over the $60 Wii version in English.
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Post by: Louieturkey on October 19, 2006, 01:25:10 PM
$50 Wii version actually.
Just remember Ian is anal and has these principles that nobody understands. I'm still suprised he's still here with Nintendo only loving the nongamers. I keep wondering how he can still stand it. I'm even more suprised he has a DS and is planning to eventually buy a Wii when Brawl comes out. If he wants "hardcore" gaming, he needs a 360 or a PS3. Those are "true gaming machines". :P
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Post by: IceCold on October 19, 2006, 01:40:42 PM
On a related note, it seems like Australia will in fact be getting the Cube version, although it will only be available at EBGames AND only one shipment is available. It's scheduled for January 2007..
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Post by: Ian Sane on October 19, 2006, 01:41:28 PM
"Why do I find it hard to believe that you would spend $75 for a version of the game in a language you can't understand, over the $60 Wii version in English."
The Wii version is $300. I don't have a Wii yet, do I? Meanwhile my Cube is already modded to play Japanese games.
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Post by: Shecky on October 19, 2006, 03:15:04 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Pale In my opinion, this would be a good business decision for Nintendo. Hell, canceling the game all together would be a good business decision for Nintendo.
So Nintendo would pass up free money?
The game exists and will be sold to those who want it. And judging by preorders, there are plenty of those people. It's just probability that not all of those will be getting a Wii, not to mention all the rest that will pick it up for the holidays. Canceling it now would be a bad business decision. They don't need to remove the GCN version to push a piece of hardware that's going to fly off shelves regardless. Heck they even know some crazy folks (like me) will end up getting both versions (kind of like how enthusiasts will buy 3 copies of the same magazine that was released with 3 different covers of their favorite theme)
Can't you see... they're double dipping the best way possible. They did their homework.
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Post by: Pale on October 19, 2006, 04:10:03 PM
You all don't understand. It's people like Ian that Nintendo wants to avoid. They don't want the GameCube to be successful anymore. In fact, they don't even want people to think the Wii comes from the same company as the GameCube.
Ian wants nothing to do with the Wii version because he is making baseless assumptions about it and is biased by his desire to be mad at the world. You all should play the Wii version. You will like it better. I'm all for Nintendo forcing people to play it.
I made a long post in the GAF thread as well. Besides my more personal argument above, most of the world doesn't even know the situation the game is in. Don't give those people an option to buy the game for the wrong system.
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Post by: Pale on October 19, 2006, 04:12:14 PM
To Shecky: making a couple more bucks off a single string of sales is not as beneficial maintaining a strong reputation for your current console.
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Post by: IceCold on October 19, 2006, 04:29:11 PM
Nintendo would gladly pass up on GameCube software sales if it meant that Zelda Wii was a system seller..
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Post by: jasonditz on October 19, 2006, 04:36:49 PM
I agree with Ian 100% on this. There's a point of principle here, and Nintendo's credibility (already stretched to the limit as far as I'm concerned) is on the line. Even if they lose money on the Cube version (which they naturally won't), they've been taking pre-orders for it for years, they've explicitly promised it for years, they have it, and they absolutely have to release it.
I'm not even willing to mess around with an import version, this is absolute nonsense. If they scrap the Gamecube version I'm not going to buy a Wii under any circumstances. They're not "forcing me to play the Wii version" for my own good, they're telling me they don't value me as a customer, and as there are plenty of alternatives that do, I see no need to allow a company that's become conceited and disreputable to dictate terms to me, nor to take their word on anything ever again.
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Post by: Arbok on October 19, 2006, 04:51:52 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Louieturkey $50 Wii version actually.
Oops, was reading that PS3 news release where they mentioned the $60 first party stuff and got my numbers fudged...
Quote Originally posted by: Ian Sane The Wii version is $300. I don't have a Wii yet, do I? Meanwhile my Cube is already modded to play Japanese games.
The Wii version is $300 only if you plan to toss away Wii Sports and never plan to get another game for the system. And modded or not, you are still talking about paying $25 more for a game in a language you don't understand primarly on principle.
Title: RE: GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: SixthAngel on October 19, 2006, 04:58:22 PM
This doesn't bother me at all since I planned to get the Wii version but I can see some people being upset.
What I find funny is that some of the people complaining the most are the same people that said Nintendo needs to start doing (slightly underhanded) things like this. They complained when Nintendo didn't do things that would benefit the company and yet they bitch when they actually do it.
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Post by: mantidor on October 19, 2006, 05:15:05 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Ian Sane "Why do I find it hard to believe that you would spend $75 for a version of the game in a language you can't understand, over the $60 Wii version in English."
The Wii version is $300. I don't have a Wii yet, do I? Meanwhile my Cube is already modded to play Japanese games.
Seriously, people think that the console comes for free or something, I just cant afford it this year, but even if I could, I still wouldn't get TP wii, Ill even would prefer to get elebits than this game.
and I dont understand that this would help to make the reputation of the console any stronger, everyone who cares already knows TP wii is a GC port, cancelling it would only show that Nintendo is afraid of the comparison or something.
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Post by: jasonditz on October 19, 2006, 06:58:18 PM
Quote Originally posted by: SixthAngel This doesn't bother me at all since I planned to get the Wii version but I can see some people being upset.
What I find funny is that some of the people complaining the most are the same people that said Nintendo needs to start doing (slightly underhanded) things like this. They complained when Nintendo didn't do things that would benefit the company and yet they bitch when they actually do it.
I don't know who was advocating them doing underhanded things, but this turn they've taken has been nothing short of remarkable. If they can the Cube version of Zelda, they'll have gone from a stodgy, goody-two-shoes company to one of the sleaziest players in the game in just a couple years' time.
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Post by: Arbok on October 19, 2006, 07:34:34 PM
Quote Originally posted by: jasonditz If they can the Cube version of Zelda, they'll have gone from a stodgy, goody-two-shoes company to one of the sleaziest players in the game in just a couple years' time.
Yes, because lord knows this has neverhappend with a title before...
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Post by: jasonditz on October 19, 2006, 07:39:06 PM
Yeah, mediocre second party title gets rebranded with familiar characters due to lack of interest and slips into the next generation, that's an identical situation.
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Post by: Arbok on October 19, 2006, 07:46:10 PM
Quote Originally posted by: jasonditz Yeah, mediocre second party title gets rebranded with familiar characters due to lack of interest and slips into the next generation, that's an identical situation.
Funny, I didn't realize Kameo could be considered a familiar character...
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Post by: jasonditz on October 19, 2006, 08:13:57 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Arbok
Quote Originally posted by: jasonditz Yeah, mediocre second party title gets rebranded with familiar characters due to lack of interest and slips into the next generation, that's an identical situation.
Funny, I didn't realize Kameo could be considered a familiar character...
Kameo? The link was to Dinosaur Planet...
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Post by: mantidor on October 19, 2006, 08:25:05 PM
Also the change of platforms here is completly different, we are talking about a whole new control method with the new console, in the past slipping into the next generation only made the graphics the biggest difference, the control method was practically identical. A better analogy is a game that went from the SNES to the N64, but I dont think there are many examples of that, and if it happened Im sure the game had to be rehauled completly.
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Post by: jasonditz on October 19, 2006, 08:37:59 PM
Also in the past slipping was a function of a game being incomplete... in this case the game was reported to be "essentially finished" over a year ago. Not releasing an in-hand Cube version seems to have little purpose other than spiting it's loyal customers who bought pre-orders for the game over two years ago.
Nintendo's denying this rumor, thank God... but given the recent track record I'm sweating this until the day I have the game in my hand.
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Post by: Shecky on October 20, 2006, 02:32:33 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Pale To Shecky: making a couple more bucks off a single string of sales is not as beneficial maintaining a strong reputation for your current console.
They are orthagonal. They made the versions 'different enough' to ensure that for general consumption. If Zelda:TP(Wii) turns out to be the best title at launch and a perfect 10 type game, then how does the existence of a Zelda:TP(GCN) version hurt that? It doesn't.
Now the userbase of these boards != the userbase of the Gamecube. Believe it or not there are people and kids out there that will only have a GCN when these holidays are over and they like (or just want) Zelda. Even if everyone who owned a GCN wanted to buy a Wii on 11/19, they can't. There aren't enough to go around. Nintendo has a completed Gamecube game called Zelda:TP. They already spent real money developing it. There is real demand for it. It will garner more than a couple of bucks.
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Post by: UncleBob on October 20, 2006, 04:10:17 AM
You know, you can't really blame Nintendo for the stores that took pre-orders on the game. Personally, I think it's really crappy of stores to take preorders months (or years) in advance on product that they don't have solid shipping infomation on. I like eBay's pre-order policy that the item must be guaranteed to be in the hands of the seller 30 days from the end of auction.
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Post by: Pale on October 20, 2006, 04:30:28 AM
Quote Originally posted by: jasonditz I agree with Ian 100% on this. There's a point of principle here, and Nintendo's credibility (already stretched to the limit as far as I'm concerned) is on the line. Even if they lose money on the Cube version (which they naturally won't), they've been taking pre-orders for it for years, they've explicitly promised it for years, they have it, and they absolutely have to release it.
I'm not even willing to mess around with an import version, this is absolute nonsense. If they scrap the Gamecube version I'm not going to buy a Wii under any circumstances. They're not "forcing me to play the Wii version" for my own good, they're telling me they don't value me as a customer, and as there are plenty of alternatives that do, I see no need to allow a company that's become conceited and disreputable to dictate terms to me, nor to take their word on anything ever again.
Nintendo's biggest enemy is fans like you then. If you followed through with this with every other company that has donen something similar, you would not be buying many games. The long and short of the situation is... A game got moved from one console to the next. This is NOT the first time this has happened. Why does everyone let the Nintendo/Zelda mistique cloud their judgement? I really do think part of the reason Nintendo decided to go for a new audience is because they were sick of trying to do the impossible; please their hardcore fans.
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Post by: Pale on October 20, 2006, 04:33:28 AM
Quote Originally posted by: mantidor Also the change of platforms here is completly different, we are talking about a whole new control method with the new console, in the past slipping into the next generation only made the graphics the biggest difference, the control method was practically identical. A better analogy is a game that went from the SNES to the N64, but I dont think there are many examples of that, and if it happened Im sure the game had to be rehauled completly.
(I apologize for multip posting, as I'm going through the thread)
So why does new control method automatically mean worse? You haven't played it. You obviously only agree with people who have played it if their opinion is the same as your baseless one. This is why they should cancel the Cube version. Because people like you won't even try the Wii version and there is no reason for that mindset.
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Post by: Pale on October 20, 2006, 04:35:15 AM
Quote Originally posted by: jasonditz Also in the past slipping was a function of a game being incomplete... in this case the game was reported to be "essentially finished" over a year ago. Not releasing an in-hand Cube version seems to have little purpose other than spiting it's loyal customers who bought pre-orders for the game over two years ago.
Nintendo's denying this rumor, thank God... but given the recent track record I'm sweating this until the day I have the game in my hand.
Again, twisting facts for your own arguments sake. More changed than just the control scheme. The Twilight world is completely different since the Cube version. Also, Nintendo has been incredibly tight lipped about other aspects of the game. Who knows what they've done. For all we know we could be getting 2-3 more dungeons that we wouldn't have gotten if it launched a year ago. I know there are no facts to back this up, but you know just as much as I do and you are spouting baseless things.
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Post by: Pale on October 20, 2006, 04:37:09 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Shecky
Quote Originally posted by: Pale To Shecky: making a couple more bucks off a single string of sales is not as beneficial maintaining a strong reputation for your current console.
They are orthagonal. They made the versions 'different enough' to ensure that for general consumption. If Zelda:TP(Wii) turns out to be the best title at launch and a perfect 10 type game, then how does the existence of a Zelda:TP(GCN) version hurt that? It doesn't.
Now the userbase of these boards != the userbase of the Gamecube. Believe it or not there are people and kids out there that will only have a GCN when these holidays are over and they like (or just want) Zelda. Even if everyone who owned a GCN wanted to buy a Wii on 11/19, they can't. There aren't enough to go around. Nintendo has a completed Gamecube game called Zelda:TP. They already spent real money developing it. There is real demand for it. It will garner more than a couple of bucks.
Not to say the same thing again, but it DOES hurt the Wii version because people like the people in this thread won't even buy the game. And who cares if the people that can't get a Wii don't get the game this holiday season? Every Zelda game EVER has sold well throughout an entire systems life. Those people will play it as long as they eventually get a Wii.
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Post by: Nick DiMola on October 20, 2006, 04:59:29 AM
I definitely agree with Pale here. The Cube version does split it's userbase, and Nintendo is trying to forget the Gamecube. Look at the Wii then look at the Gamecube, do you really think they want to tarnish the ultra sleek Wii image by being associated with the purple lunchbox? I will be buying both versions of the game because I am a total Zelda whore, but I want the Wii version exponentially more. I really don't understand the opinions of some of you guys. If you can't afford a Wii, I understand the frustration if the game was to be cancelled, otherwise, I see no reason why you are getting so pissed. Nintendo purposely moved this game to the Wii and put an ENORMOUS amount of time into it to make the game BETTER. Why in god's name would you want to settle for the version that has remained untouched for a year and received none of the love that the Wii version has? If Miyamoto says it's better, I tend to trust him, after all who would know better than the grand master himself?
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Post by: Caliban on October 20, 2006, 05:32:37 AM
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Post by: jasonditz on October 20, 2006, 06:23:21 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Pale
Quote Originally posted by: jasonditz I agree with Ian 100% on this. There's a point of principle here, and Nintendo's credibility (already stretched to the limit as far as I'm concerned) is on the line. Even if they lose money on the Cube version (which they naturally won't), they've been taking pre-orders for it for years, they've explicitly promised it for years, they have it, and they absolutely have to release it.
I'm not even willing to mess around with an import version, this is absolute nonsense. If they scrap the Gamecube version I'm not going to buy a Wii under any circumstances. They're not "forcing me to play the Wii version" for my own good, they're telling me they don't value me as a customer, and as there are plenty of alternatives that do, I see no need to allow a company that's become conceited and disreputable to dictate terms to me, nor to take their word on anything ever again.
Nintendo's biggest enemy is fans like you then. If you followed through with this with every other company that has donen something similar, you would not be buying many games. The long and short of the situation is... A game got moved from one console to the next. This is NOT the first time this has happened. Why does everyone let the Nintendo/Zelda mistique cloud their judgement? I really do think part of the reason Nintendo decided to go for a new audience is because they were sick of trying to do the impossible; please their hardcore fans.
Yeah, Nintendo's biggest enemy is fans that bought 90+ Gamecube titles. They're much better off catering to little old ladies who bought a DS and Brain Age because CNN Headline News said it would keep them from going senile.
I think Nintendo, and fans like you that are willing to self-lubricate before penetration, are learning entirely the wrong lesson from this generation. The DS got it's big break on the basis of non-games and Sony incompetence. It's still a completely unproven assertion that non-games can work in the same way on a home console, and Sony's incompetence is going to happen at any rate.
The reason I would never buy another Nintendo console if they pulled Zelda from the Cube is quite simple: there's no reason to trust them not doing the same damned thing to the Wii. Look at the past year what we've gotten (Post Fire Emblem, which came out just over a year ago today)... the answer is damn little. The forgettable Odama and a Chibi Robo game you can beat in a single sitting. That's the entire year's first party offering. In fact, we can go back further.
Metroid Prime 2 came out less than 3 years after launch... and you can count the number of worthwhile first party games that came after that on one hand. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not willing to shell out launch prices for a console that's liable to be left to rot on the vine 3 years in.
At E3 this year, Reggie talked about sending the Gamecube out in style. He was, of course, speaking of Super Paper Mario, which has since been cancelled. I'm willing to overlook that fact for now because the better half of what Reggie's said at E3's have been flat out lies... but going out in style would've been a good idea.
Going out in style may be a pipedream at this point, but going out with a shred of class is still attainable. Look, whatever they did in the past year to TP is beside the point. This game is going out in less than two months some places, which means that it's out of the development stage now. It's done. Right now... they're playtesting, maybe getting the bugs out, but it's a finished game.
People keep talking about this having happened many times in the past, has it? Has a company ever thrown a finished, high profile last-gen title into the garbage just to try to drum up sales for the next generation? Because frankly I can't think of a time that's been the case.
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Post by: Galford on October 20, 2006, 06:27:26 AM
I don't think Nintendo in America would does this, if only NOT to piss off Gamestop. I am one of those few people who refuse to spend money on the Wii version of Zelda.
If Nintendo did do this, it would be a cold day hell before I bought a Wii. But I don't think Nintendo is that stupid, I hope at least.
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Post by: Pale on October 20, 2006, 06:42:52 AM
Jason, getting past your stupidly graphic metaphor, you still don't site the fact that you are over reacting about a practice that has happened in the industry for years, the fact that games get pushed to next gen consoles. Maybe this is just the first one that you were looking forward to, who knows.
You then end your statement saying that Nintendo threw a finished title into the garbage. Again, you have no idea how finished the game was. You have no idea how much they may have added since the Wii port. You are making baseless assumptions to try and prove your point. If you don't plan on buying a Wii, I'm sorry that my suggestion to Nintendo (which most likely isn't going to happen) would keep you from playing the game. If you are going to buy a Wii, which I'm sure you probably will, you need to stop sitting on your silly 'principles'.
Besides all of this, the GameCube died. The marketing itself of a game like Super Paper Mario or Zelda is not worth the effort. Many stores have already pulled their GameCube shelf space. It would be like throwing money away in order to please supposed hardcore fans who will just go back to being pissed off about something else two days later.
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Post by: jasonditz on October 20, 2006, 07:03:50 AM
And again, games get pushed to next gen consoles, but completed games? Completed games that were announced to be multiplatform? I go back through the years and I just don't see it. If you've got this big long list, perhaps you'd share a couple with me. Hell, I'd take one.
I don't know if you're totally ignorant of the development process and think Miyamoto just walks out into his garden to harvest full press runs of completed games or what, but in the past couple weeks Nintendo has said that the Gamecube version is coming out in Japan and Australia in the next couple months. That means we're talking about a completed game.
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Post by: Pale on October 20, 2006, 07:07:44 AM
I guess I was speaking more in the hypothetical there saying "Nintendo should have just cancelled this version from the beginning"
You are right, at this current moment, it is pretty close to gold. I don't know why I continue to talk to you about it though, as you get stupidly personal with everything you say... This is on the Internet I guess.
Anyway. My main point of the last post is that, in my humble business opinion, the game, completed or not, will not be worth the money in marketing and manufacturing to release.
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Post by: Mario on October 20, 2006, 07:23:45 AM
Alright, it's like this. Nintendo goes to work figuring out the best possible marketing strategy for both Zelda TP and Wii, two of their biggest upcoming products (GC is dead, it's not going to sell anymore systems no matter WHAT, RE4 is solid proof).
This is what they come up with, the Wii version of Zelda. THEN they realise, the fans might still want it on GameCube! SO they keep that version JUST FOR US! The GameCube version still exists. Do you think they'd release it in Australia and not America? That's just WANTING bad news, and makes me question some peoples agenda here.
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Post by: jasonditz on October 20, 2006, 07:41:25 AM
That was exactly the rumor, that Australia was getting it but not America... and when some people pointed out that made no sense, others jumped on the Nintendo-can-do-no-wrong bandwagon and started defending the idea of throwing a completed game in the garbage seemingly just to spite Cube owners.
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Post by: Shecky on October 20, 2006, 07:46:40 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Pale Not to say the same thing again, but it DOES hurt the Wii version because people like the people in this thread won't even buy the game. And who cares if the people that can't get a Wii don't get the game this holiday season? Every Zelda game EVER has sold well throughout an entire systems life. Those people will play it as long as they eventually get a Wii.
Tell me what's the problem with someone picking up the GCN version of TP this winter and a Wii next winter, without ever picking up the Wii version of Zelda:TP? Is the Wii launch so weak that Zelda as an exclusive is required to justify it's purchase?
The costs have already been spent. Both versions are go, and a Zelda sale is a Zelda sale. Dropping the GCN version doesn't force people to buy a Wii, it negates a potential sale. Money now is better than money later. That's why it's not smart business. That's all I'm saying.
Title: RE: GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: Ian Sane on October 20, 2006, 07:47:19 AM
"The long and short of the situation is... A game got moved from one console to the next. This is NOT the first time this has happened. Why does everyone let the Nintendo/Zelda mistique cloud their judgement?"
This is the first time THIS has happened. This is different. Dinosaur Planet moved but the second it was revealed for the Cube it was annouced as being moved to the Cube. They didn't tell us for over a year that there was to be two versions. They didn't wait until less than two months before the scheduled release to cancel it. They didn't release an N64 version of Dinosaur Planet in Japan and Australia.
If Nintendo just merely moved Zelda to the Wii way back when then it would be the same thing. But they didn't do that. They annouced two versions and have allowed us to believe there will be two versions until now which is pretty damn close to release. To cancel now would be intentionally deceiving their fans and that's bullsh!t and no one should support that or suggest it as a good idea. I dont care if it even makes sense from a business perspective. Unless you have stock in Nintendo, Nintendo treating their customers fairly should be all that matters to you.
Title: RE:GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 20, 2006, 09:35:01 AM
Sure is a lot of heat in this thread about this thing it's for sure Nintendo's done and isn't an unsubstantiated rumor that's already been directly denied with said denial having already been pointed out in this very thread. Oh look, what's this?
Quote Originally posted by: Caliban Title thread > D-E-B-U-N-K-E-D-!
Title: RE:GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: Crimm on October 20, 2006, 12:01:08 PM
I love how joystiq handled causing this maelstrom. "Oh okay, it is coming out." No "our bad for causing panic without any significant evidence."
Title: RE: GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 20, 2006, 12:19:43 PM
Some people mildly irked? Ian and mantidor outraged for basically no reason whatsoever? Most people don't care?
Yeah, that's about the reaction I expected from this "news". Great job getting pissed off Nintendo for nothing. This isn't even news. This is joystiq being jerk-offs.
Title: RE: GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: Ian Sane on October 20, 2006, 01:25:45 PM
"Some people mildly irked? Ian and mantidor outraged for basically no reason whatsoever? Most people don't care?"
See I don't get the part about most people not caring. Why do a lot of people on this forum not care? Yeah you get the Wii version but isn't it kind of selfish to be totally apathetic to other people being denied the version they want? Either way you get what you want so it's not like you gain anything by the Cube version being cancelled. If Nintendo cancelled it at this point then it would mean they lied to their fans. Even if it doesn't actually affect you doesn't the very idea of them intentionally deceiving us bother you? I saw the same thing when Cube didn't go online despite Nintendo promising vague online plans would be revealed at a later date. They strung us along yet those unaffected didn't seem to care. I don't get that at all.
Title: RE: GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 20, 2006, 01:31:41 PM
And it's not cancelled. So no more boo-hoo ha-ha.
It's just another story blown out of proportion by readers who submit the slightest of information that ends up being posted on a popular website that people ACTUALLY TAKE FOR NEWS.
And Nintendo has a long history of lies anyway. Just deal with things when the real release times actually come around.
Title: RE: GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: wandering on October 20, 2006, 03:07:08 PM
Quote See I don't get the part about most people not caring. Why do a lot of people on this forum not care? Yeah you get the Wii version but isn't it kind of selfish to be totally apathetic to other people being denied the version they want?
The thing is, we love Nintendo more than we love you. If Nintendo decided certain people were unworthy of life, and started rounding them up and killing them, we'd be cheering them on.
Quote I think Nintendo, and fans like you that are willing to self-lubricate before penetration, are learning entirely the wrong lesson from this generation.
See, this is your problem. You want to be pitcher instead of catcher. But Nintendo never catches. Oh, they'll be sensitive and gentle. They'll make sure they aren't hurting you any more than necessary. But they will penetrate you, long and hard, whether you say you like it or not. Because, secretly, you do like it. You crave it. You want Nintendo to do it to you again and again.
Title: RE: GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: Mario on October 20, 2006, 04:32:15 PM
Quote See I don't get the part about most people not caring. Why do a lot of people on this forum not care? Yeah you get the Wii version but isn't it kind of selfish to be totally apathetic to other people being denied the version they want?
People care, but they aren't declaring Nintendo evil and insulting those with the opposing views over it. I want the GC version (that i'll play on Wii) and i'm going to get it, no big deal. The only people who want the GC version will be able to get it. The thread title and rumor were incredibly misleading, but hey you can pretend the GC version wont be released if that makes you feel better.
Title: RE: GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: ThePerm on October 21, 2006, 09:56:49 PM
it better not get canceled....i have like something going into this
Title: RE: GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: jasonditz on October 22, 2006, 06:07:06 AM
That's a good point, I forgot about Sonic 3D Blast. Of course Sega's real problem in the Saturn was not that Sonic 3D Blast was also available for the Genesis, the real problem was that in the whole rest of the Saturn's lifespan they didn't release another "real" Sonic game. Oh sure, they did silly things like Sonic R... but that's not the same thing.
That's the one conceivable concern that I can see for Zelda going dual platform. If Nintendo has no intention of releasing another real Zelda game this generation (which would mean no more Zeldas for 4-5 years? Hard to imagine), then having the only real Zelda game available on the last gen system would make the Wii look bad. On the other hand, cancelling the GC version, having a launch Zelda game and not coming out with another one the rest of the generation doesn't exactly look good either.
Title: RE:GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: mantidor on October 22, 2006, 09:17:09 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Pale
Quote Originally posted by: mantidor Also the change of platforms here is completly different, we are talking about a whole new control method with the new console, in the past slipping into the next generation only made the graphics the biggest difference, the control method was practically identical. A better analogy is a game that went from the SNES to the N64, but I dont think there are many examples of that, and if it happened Im sure the game had to be rehauled completly.
(I apologize for multip posting, as I'm going through the thread)
So why does new control method automatically mean worse? You haven't played it. You obviously only agree with people who have played it if their opinion is the same as your baseless one. This is why they should cancel the Cube version. Because people like you won't even try the Wii version and there is no reason for that mindset.
what? cancelling it wont make me go for the wii version, I just don't like what Ive seen from the controls, is that so terribly hard to understand? why cant you just accept that what you might find great I find it just lame? I dont criticise your tastes, Ive never said you are wrong for liking the remote controls. Also, I don't exactly swim in money, here $50 is a considerable ammount, as well as the $250 price entry for the console which includes wiisports, another game I find lame. This whole package for me simply is not worth it. Now if you are so fixed on making all of us "infidels" "bad fans of the company" like the wii version to the point you wish the version we want gets cancelled (and theres certainly no reason whatsover for that mindset except I guess a grudge you have with us because we don't share your opinion), feel free to send me a wii and a copy of the game because you can be perfectly confident that I'll try it, but Im not going to expend $300 of my own to see if I might like it, specially because chances are I won't.
Title: RE:GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: TrueNerd on October 22, 2006, 11:56:47 AM
Here's an apt comparison:
LoZ: TP for the Wii vs. LoZ: TP for the GC = The Y2K sham.
All this fretting and preparing for the worst will ultimately be looked back upon and laughed at once we actually get to the play the game. The Wii version will be a great game. The GameCube version will be a great game. WE ALL WIN.
Title: RE:GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 24, 2006, 11:55:42 PM
I dont know if its been mentioned yet, and i dont feel like reading thios many posts to find it, but GC TP will be available everywhere. According to this anyway. I assume this will please everyone.
Title: RE: GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: archioverload on November 14, 2006, 01:31:11 PM
(Nothing to do with Zelda) Just as an analogy with the "life" of the GameCube--think of how long the GBA has lasted. It had a monster Christmas last year even with few if any significant games coming out for it. The Cube isn't nearly as successful as the GBA of course, but I think it's going to do reasonably well this Christmas.
Title: RE: GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: jasonditz on November 14, 2006, 06:42:21 PM
Indeed, the Gamecube is still the cheapest console on the market, has a bunch of kid-friendly titles as well as some really nice exclusives sitting in bargain bins. While most people who identify themselves as video game players are looking to move on to the newer systems, these older systems are a spectacular value for the casual gamer or the parent on a tight budget. Oh yeah, and it's getting the hottest release of the holiday season.
I'm surprised Nintendo hasn't come up with some sort of price drop on the system to clear out its excess inventory.
Title: RE:GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: segagamer12 on November 16, 2006, 04:12:19 PM
Final Fantasy 7. Started out N64 (more powerful system) shifted to ps1 (more popular system)
PS System Seller. N64 Death Nail.
Thats 1 MILESTONE example of this very thing happening before.
I for one am going to get both versions, Wii for me GC for my sister (imma give her the GC when I get the Wii) and I am gonna play both versions.
But seriously as a major graphics whore (yes I DO CARE about good graphics and YOU all did also when yus aid GC was superior Gfx to PS2 dont deny it) I do want to play the best versios tehre is of this game.
Lets see what else is ther, ok heres anther one, Sega promised its fans for YEARS that they werte gonna make a 3-D Sonic Game for Saturn called Sonic X-tremeand showed off footage For YEARS. Then it got canned (moved to DC) and forgotten abotu (tillit went to GC where it became a hit)
Lest see what else is there to reply to, oh yeah Nintendo LIED, no way. Dont believe it try THIS on for size SNES was supposed to get a Cd upgrade called PLAY STATION made by (You guessed it) Sony!
Well we knwo how well THAT turned out don't we.
Ok still not convinced lets see. Hmm another real life example. Sega (bear with me there is a point)
Made one bad descion after another (released 32X to Genesis fans only to repalce that with Saturn six months later) promised Sonic X-treme for Saturn then moved it to DC, promised to support Dc no matter what, killed it off a month latter.
Sega fans got so pissed they swicthed over to Xbox and Ps2 fans, very very few of us went with Nintendo dont beleive me goto www.sega.com and read thier boards) LEst see whats my point then.
Companies LIE and FANS get pissed Company LOSES fans.
Nintendo could very well be making games for Ps3 in three years if they screw up too much.
So if they DO cancel GC version of TP (which i dont think will happen but still could) then they WILL lose fans and sales.
BUT this isnt the first time something THIS dramatic has happened cuz they lied to us. So wait and see what happnes and chose your reaction base don thier action.
Title: RE:GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: IceCold on November 16, 2006, 04:21:00 PM
Quote Ok still not convinced lets see. Hmm another real life example. Sega (bear with me there is a point)
Made one bad descion after another (released 32X to Genesis fans only to repalce that with Saturn six months later) promised Sonic X-treme for Saturn then moved it to DC, promised to support Dc no matter what, killed it off a month latter.
Sega fans got so pissed they swicthed over to Xbox and Ps2 fans, very very few of us went with Nintendo dont beleive me goto www.sega.com and read thier boards) LEst see whats my point then.
Companies LIE and FANS get pissed Company LOSES fans.
Nintendo could very well be making games for Ps3 in three years if they screw up too much.
Oh damn. That's classic.
Title: RE: GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: mantidor on November 16, 2006, 05:58:51 PM
Nah, none of those situations are comparable, the GC version isn't getting cancelled anyway so it doesn't matter.
Title: RE:GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: segagamer12 on November 17, 2006, 03:08:54 PM
Well My major point was the FF7 and Sonic X-treme deal. IF Ff7 hadf been N64 things WOULD have been differently. AS for sonic X-treme, thats debatable as Saturn had MANY more flaws and screw ups than there is room in a Discussion forum to list.
I um didn't mean to soudn liek I think NIntendo will fail cuz I sure as hell know better than that, I am totaly convinced Ps3 will though. But I wanted to point out that things this collassal (spelling is problaly wrong sue me) has happened before many times.
Still I am glad theyd idnt cancel TP for GC cuz I am getting it myself.
But hey wait a second, someone earlier said Super Paper Mario was cancelled, when the hell did that happne, leaving this thread to pursue news regaridng that game peace out all.
Says it is still um announced. But doesnt say canceled or confirmed. any other news?
Title: RE: GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: jasonditz on November 20, 2006, 12:00:04 PM
IGN stated that Super Paper Mario would be moved over to the Wii, and Nintendo put it on a list of upcoming Wii titles. They didn't remove the Gamecube version from their website however, and though this is probably just an oversight I guess that means we can't totally rule out it being for both like TP... but is Nintendo going to want to release a Gamecube title in 2007?
Title: RE:GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: segagamer12 on November 21, 2006, 02:44:29 PM
Well I was really looking forward to that game so I dont cre what system its on as long as its still coming.
As for Nintendo still making GC games, why not if they work on Wii and people still have GC? Seriously Its not like N64 where backwards compatiblity was a non issue. It helped Ps1/2 a lot so it could help GC.
Title: RE: GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: Renny on November 24, 2006, 05:46:44 AM
Amazon seems to not be selling this anymore, also. Unless that's a screw-up due to the release of the Wii version, it looks like they maxed out their allocation of GameCube SKUs and have cut off pre-orders. This looks a little grim. Hopefully some less popular channels will have copies stocked.
Title: RE: GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: jasonditz on November 24, 2006, 08:49:54 AM
I think they're seriously underestimating the demand for the Gamecube version... that little box can still move some software, on those rare occasions when it actually gets something.
Title: RE: GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: willie1234 on November 25, 2006, 12:37:38 PM
unless this is a really bad version I'll be picking it up, as I have to wait until next year for the wii.
Title: RE:GCN Zelda not going to be sold at retail in the United States ?
Post by: segagamer12 on December 11, 2006, 07:06:23 AM
My sister got me Wii T but wont giv eit to me till christmas so Imigth get GC TP to hold me over till she gets back here for christmas.
