Post by: Requiem on October 09, 2006, 08:37:18 AM
So, now Square has stated they are on board which was expected, but is still amazing. They also confirmed that they want to make an new Mana game due to the huge potential of the Wii.
So is anybody else anxiously awaiting the release of Chrono-Trigger for VC?
Also, a real-time RPG with Wiimote control? I can literally taste the potential (salivating).
Post by: Arbok on October 09, 2006, 08:44:03 AM
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So is anybody else anxiously awaiting the release of Chrono-Trigger for VC?
If that's one of the titles they select, then yeah. Although it mentions nothing in that particular release and, as far as we know, could be stuff like Final Fantasy Mystic Quest and what not; titles which they figure they couldn't port and sell again on a current handheld.
I am looking forward though to possibly getting Chrono Trigger, Ogre Tactics 64 and EVO if available.
Post by: decoyman on October 09, 2006, 08:53:46 AM
Chrono Trigger on the VC would be a definite and immediate purchase for me.
It seems like this interview was detailed at IGN too, but they left out some of the stuff that n-philes listed... weird.
Post by: Kairon on October 09, 2006, 09:40:53 AM
Dragon Warrior 1-2, FFVI, Secret of Mana, Mario RPG, Illusion of Gaia....
Happy happy joy joy please make this come true!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
P.S. And Secret of Evermore, for curiousity.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 09, 2006, 09:45:10 AM
Post by: vudu on October 09, 2006, 09:49:31 AM
Post by: The Omen on October 09, 2006, 11:31:34 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2006, 12:58:04 PM
Too bad Squenix sucks for probably not remembering the game exists and Ninty sucks for not having region-free VC games...
Post by: WuTangTurtle on October 09, 2006, 01:10:51 PM
Post by: Caliban on October 09, 2006, 01:17:37 PM
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Terranigma >>>>>>>>>>>>> Every other Square or Enix game ever...Not even close to being arguable...
Too bad Squenix sucks for probably not remembering the game exists and Ninty sucks for not having region-free VC games...
Ditto.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 09, 2006, 01:34:54 PM
Post by: Galford on October 09, 2006, 03:13:30 PM
Namely...
Seiken Densetsu 3
Bahamut's Lagoon
Live a Live
Star Ocean
Will SE spend the money to translate them?
Ironicly, I believe there is a UK version of Terranigma.
Releasing this game on VC wouldn't take much work.
Post by: Mikintosh on October 09, 2006, 03:23:13 PM
If they do decide to translate Japan-only games, it'll be aways off, after the VC has proven itself.
Post by: capamerica on October 09, 2006, 04:14:23 PM
I also wouldn't count and of the Playstation FF games out, I have a very good feeling that FFVII-FFXII will all make it over to a Nintendo system next generation.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 09, 2006, 05:47:01 PM
Post by: Requiem on October 09, 2006, 05:49:31 PM
I mean it's Square-Enix for god sakes! They know we want there games (...those bastards).
Also, I see many many options becoming avialable with the size that is specifically targeted for use with the Wii. Hell, I bet we see an external hard-drive labeled "Wii-drive" in the future.
Post by: AnyoneEB on October 09, 2006, 06:08:35 PM
I have a feeling that a lot of PSOne games are not filling CDs because they have a that much content but because they have CDs to fill and have no reason to care about compression. If they did a quick modification to the games so that they could use H.264 and Ogg Vorbis (or some other modern codecs) for the FMVs and background music, then they would be no larger than an N64 game. (In their defense, the PSOne was not probably powerful enough to decode those codecs, at least not during gameplay.)
If Square-Enix were to not release Chrono Trigger (hopefully the PSOne version/a Wii VC port of it) on Wii, then they would be idiots. Chrono Trigger, along with all the other SNES classics that people have been listing in this thread, would essientially be free money for Square.
On Star Ocean/SD3... well, they were translated, just not by Square. It would be quite amusing if Square were to buy the fan translations of those games. Square would probably want to still run some QA, but the work is pretty much already done for them. Or also the bug fixes for other games. (Ex. Someone added 2-player support to Secret of Evermore.)
Post by: Strell on October 09, 2006, 06:28:52 PM
Ask yourself this: "Is it awesome?" when you think of a game being on the VC.
If the answer is yes, expect it to not appear.
Case in point: Numerous Japan only RPGs, including SD3, Treasure Hunter G, etc etc.
All this speculation is seriously setting yourself up for hurt.
Nintendo has said they'll do stuff like upgrade games and whatnot, but let's be honest - they won't. The prices are a total cash grab at this point, and they want to maximize. If they actually had an honest idea about how the VC was going to work, we'd have details all ova the place by now.But we don't, which points to them not having a clue.
This really sucks, as it could easily be the second biggest thing about the Wii - awesome obscure games down the pipeline.
Sh*t. We won't even get Earthbound Zero. And that pains me.
Post by: Mario on October 09, 2006, 07:06:57 PM
Post by: Requiem on October 09, 2006, 08:16:31 PM
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Here's the deal.
Ask yourself this: "Is it awesome?" when you think of a game being on the VC.
If the answer is yes, expect it to not appear.
See, I don't get this argument. Square-Enix has released and re-released games for years. Now they have a chance to re-release their entire library with no production costs and maybe a little developement cost. There is no reason from a business stand point not to release as many games as possible.
Even Sega, the dumbest company in the world, can see the potential.
Who would turn down FREE MONEY?
Post by: Kairon on October 09, 2006, 08:18:51 PM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: couchmonkey on October 10, 2006, 05:37:14 AM
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See, I don't get this argument. Square-Enix has released and re-released games for years. Now they have a chance to re-release their entire library with no production costs and maybe a little developement cost. There is no reason from a business stand point not to release as many games as possible.
Even Sega, the dumbest company in the world, can see the potential.
Who would turn down FREE MONEY?
I think you're partially right. The only thing I'd disagree with is that, as Strell said, don't be expecting them to translate games from Japanese for the VC. That does cost money so it probably won't happen. Then again, if the VC really takes off, who knows?
On the other hand, I totally disagree with Strell's claim that Nintendo doesn't know how the VC is going to work. Just because they haven't given us a preview doesn't mean it's not sorted out. We've seen VC games loaded on the Wii Channels screen, and in one of the Iwata interviews, one of the developers stated that the shopping center (for VC games, and possibly other things) is his favourite Wii channel. How can something that doesn't exist be his favourite?
People tend to assume Nintendo's online plans are non-existant or underdeveloped, but I believe Nintendo has put a lot more thought into than we think. Probably more than Sony has.
Post by: JonLeung on October 10, 2006, 05:43:47 AM
What I worry about is the whole spacing thing based on what Nintendo said. Ten games a month sounds good, until you consider that it'll probably just be one or two good games in each batch. I can understand it from a business standpoint, but what if you're waiting for a particular game that just won't come for years? People would be tempted to play ROMs or find the old cartridges rather than wait a while to play games that they may have even played before.
Post by: Requiem on October 10, 2006, 06:58:59 AM
I think for right now, Nintendo has decided to only release 10 games per month for two reasons:
1. If Nintendo releases too many games at one time, some people might be content with all the old school games and never get around to buying the new Wii games. I know that's what I would do.
2. Special promotions, pack-ins, and pre-order bonuses are all a valid excuse for a game NOT to be released onto the VC. For instance, Nintendo may use Super Metriod as a pack-in to help sell MP3.
P.S. who created "Chef's love shack" for the 64?
Post by: vudu on October 10, 2006, 09:20:37 AM
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who created "Chef's love shack" for the 64?
Post by: The Omen on October 10, 2006, 11:55:56 AM
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See, I don't get this argument. Square-Enix has released and re-released games for years. Now they have a chance to re-release their entire library with no production costs and maybe a little developement cost. There is no reason from a business stand point not to release as many games as possible.
I agree. If anything is a "cash grab", it's re-releasing games they haven't made money on in a decade and begin to charge for them.
Post by: Strell on October 10, 2006, 06:41:58 PM
Things like Chrono Trigger and FF4/6 will appear, and those are awesome.
So will big hitters like Mario 64, Mario Party, Super Metroid, etc.
But super awesome things like people are hoping for? Not going to happen.
The following will never happen on the VC:
Earthbound Zero
Translated Bahamut Lagoon, Seiken Densetsu 3
Goldeneye 64
Goldeneye 64 + Online Play
Anything with Online play
BS Zelda
Any obscure almost finished but cancelled at the last minute games
Downloadable content such as new SMB3 levels
User content added to games
User made games
Indie development stuff (with the exception of a few things like, hopefully, Sam and Max, but I'm not holding my breath)
I think the closest thing we might see will be a few games that are English friendly being available, such as Sin and Punishment.
Further, if you honestly think Nintendo has the VC totally fleshed out just because Iwata likes it, prepare to be disappointed.
Miyamoto's favorite game is Ice Climbers. That doesn't make it better than the other stuff he's made.
It's a cash grab. Total cash grab. And I gaurantee you Nintendo wants first dibs. Sure you might hear that Square thinks it is awesome, but Nintendo is in charge here, and you can damn well be sure they'll regulate it so that their profits are maximized first, and that includes both royalties from 3rd parties AND putting their own library first.
I really hope I'm wrong about all of this, but past performance and marketspeak tell me otherwise, and the near total lack of information is none-too-encouraging either.
Post by: capamerica on October 10, 2006, 06:57:56 PM
I also wouldn't count Online play out. It may only be limited to 2/4 player online play, but I have a good feeling we will see that.
Post by: Bartman3010 on October 10, 2006, 06:58:01 PM
and Mischief makers!
Please?
Post by: Ceric on October 10, 2006, 07:46:53 PM
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Post by: couchmonkey on October 11, 2006, 06:07:02 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on October 11, 2006, 08:05:11 AM
I don't know if they would really be indie games per say. Nintendo will insist that there is some sort of licencing fee and probably will make all sorts of other demands that a true "indie" developer can't adhere to and still make a profit. If there are any new games for the VC they will be made by Nintendo themselves or a major third party. Nintendo probably isn't going to allow some homebrew guy to make VC games. They'll probably allow it in theory but will make it so that no one would want to go through the hassle.
This is Nintendo who still re-releases the NES version of Donkey Kong with the missing level. I expect a VERY lazy effort towards the VC.
Post by: couchmonkey on October 11, 2006, 09:36:41 AM
I was reading that the cost of small scale games for Xbox Live Arcade was about $100,000 at the time of system launch, but due to rising expectations for graphics (HD and all that) it's creeping up to about $300,000. I expect liscencing fees to be a barrier for Wii titles, but I think that increasing expectations will be less of an issue since Wii doesn't put emphasis on fancy graphics.
