Post by: ginx619 on September 30, 2006, 07:08:31 AM
A little disappointed that there won't be any type of multiplayer. I can live without online and split screen multiplayer games but it would have been nice if they added in co-op. I'm not to interested in any of the FPS releasing along side the Wii. Hopefully, something comes out before Metroid though because I'm really interested in how the Wiimote will work with FPS as it's probably my favorite genre.
Post by: Viewtiful mario on September 30, 2006, 07:25:22 AM
how can you not be excited for Red Steel. The blog they wrote most recently said there going to use this last month to polish out the rest of the controles.
Post by: ginx619 on September 30, 2006, 07:28:37 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 30, 2006, 08:17:36 AM
Fair enough.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 30, 2006, 09:27:30 AM
And no multiplayer at all? Way to screw us over.
Post by: Kairon on September 30, 2006, 09:33:50 AM
It's like Call of Duty ismy modern day version of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Turtles in Time for my SNES!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Caliban on September 30, 2006, 12:24:22 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 30, 2006, 12:50:36 PM
I'm sorry but to me graphics fall behind gameplay and controls for me in terms of importance but the graphics alone raises doubts about this game.
Post by: Crimm on September 30, 2006, 03:00:34 PM
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Post by: Nick DiMola on September 30, 2006, 04:01:49 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 30, 2006, 04:17:14 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 30, 2006, 04:33:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Mr. Jack
The visual quality of some of the games we've seen thus far is somewhat frightening. I mean the Wii is supposed to be more powerful than the Gamecube, why is it that all the games look WORSE than Gamecube games? I just hope all of these games we've seen so far are lazy ports and not indicative of how powerful the Wii actually is. But seriously damn these developers for being lazy, if I was Nintendo I'd tell thse guys to go back an touch up the graphics because it is going to send the wrong impression to potential buyers of the Wii.
Four words:
PORTS RUSHED FOR LAUNCH.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 30, 2006, 05:00:18 PM
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Post by: The Omen on September 30, 2006, 05:34:07 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 30, 2006, 06:05:30 PM
Post by: Nick DiMola on September 30, 2006, 06:22:42 PM
PORTS RUSHED FOR LAUNCH."
I definitely know that Kairon, I just think it's a bad idea. I understand Nintendo wants a full launch line up, but rushing these crappy looking games to the market isn't really going to benefit anybody, and may cause some people to second guess a Wii purchase. Just from reading some other boards it seems some people are second guessing (maybe they are just outspoken Sony and Microsoft fanboys) and that isn't something Nintendo needs when they are bringing so much awesomeness as it is. I appreciate all the nice stuff Ubi is putting out, but I'd rather them take their time with games like Far Cry and CoD because they are great franchises that shouldn't be released to the market looking that way.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 30, 2006, 08:29:14 PM
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Post by: Crimm on September 30, 2006, 08:49:58 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on October 01, 2006, 02:57:38 AM
Seriously if the Wii engine is basically the upgraded build of the GCN engine I can't see how they could manage such bad graphics. As a 3d modeler I know you can hide a low poly model with some really good texturing job, and from the posted screenshot it doesn't look like they did.
1. It seems like a 512x512 texture, and i know i can pull off some better looking textures in that resolution.
2. The UVW mapping is done very lazy like, as you can see stretching in the arms in the uniform.
I know I've stated this before but if someone has seen those Farcry palm trees, they look like they were done with 256x256 textures, that hasn't been the standard since the N64 days. Actually the N64 days might have been less, depending on how much detail an onject needs.
And for anyone who understands what i'm talking about and thinks maybe, just maybe... the developers might have sacrificed texture resolutions for frame rate, well I'd disagree with that because there are ways to compress those textures without any real noticeable loss in quality and of course not bog down frame rate.
And for anyone to say "but they've only been working on it for 6-12 months", well trust me it doesn't take that long to understand an engine to a workable degree. The learning process is usually about how to program and how to make shaders work in the engine.
If you can't tell im sorta really pissed off by the ports from 3rd parties.....alright thats enough out of me......for now : )
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 01, 2006, 03:09:05 AM
3rd parties are being lazy bums who don't care about doing things right
Post by: Terranigma Freak on October 01, 2006, 05:20:29 AM
Just watch, when this game comes out and flops, Activision will use it as an excuse to drop Wii support citing Wii users don't like their "mature" games. I was never interested in this game, and the new info just tells me I won't be missing anything by not playing it.
Post by: The Omen on October 01, 2006, 06:12:16 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 01, 2006, 09:06:18 AM
At launch there were VERY few games that truly showed off what the handheld could be. The third party games were enhanced GBA games with some tacked on DS features. It took nearly a year till we finally got inspired games from both Nintendo and third parties. And not the DS is not only a success, it's a worldwide phenomenon. Certainly a few bad games at launch didn't kill it.
While I too am not impressed with how third party developers are treating the Wii this isn't the end of the world. So far its only been a couple of games that look questionable in quality. The rest looks really solid. And the best is yet to come.
So don't go out preaching the end of the world because a couple of Wii games look un-polished.
Just be grateful that we are getting third party support at launch and that Nintendo isn't being nitpicky about it.
Also, both the PSone and PS2 featured some really bad games, made only to cash in on the success of the consoles yet people didn't pay much attention to it. Same with the GB, GB color and GBA.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on October 01, 2006, 10:31:42 AM
alright no more bitchin from me, especially when games like Rayman, Zelda, ExciteTruck, Red Steel, even Madden look pretty.
Post by: The Omen on October 01, 2006, 11:25:56 AM
Post by: zakkiel on October 01, 2006, 12:01:45 PM
I said it once after the controller was first revealed: the Wii will stand or fall on the strength of its exclusives.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 01, 2006, 12:45:05 PM
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Originally posted by: ShaolinKilla
okay okay, i may be ranting a bit much. But to my respect you have to see that Farcry and Call ouf Duty look like GCN games and I have to say that is unacceptable. Thats all i am saying, atleast DS games looked better for the most part than GBA.
alright no more bitchin from me, especially when games like Rayman, Zelda, ExciteTruck, Red Steel, even Madden look pretty.
Just so you know, I am not a big fan of these games. The only Call of Duty game I played was the CoD 2 demo for the 360 and me and my friends were left unimpressed with Farcry (GLASS KNEES!).
All I'm saying is that people are ranting too much about a couple of games not looking fantastic, almost seeing this as a potential downfall for the Wii when in reality is not that big of a deal.
In ALL console launches there will be games that will be utter crap while others become killer APPs of their respective machines.
The same thing will happen to the Wii. Not ALL games that will come at and after launch be triple A titles and truth to be told, the best ones will come from Nintendo.
But like I said, the PSone and PS2 were filled with thousands of crappy games and it didn't destroy them. In fact, people were attracted by the fact that both consoles featured a HUGE library of games.
At least the Wii is getting that kind of support from the start. And like Omen said, we are getting games that we never thought a Nintendo console would get.
Another thing I forgot to mention is that these games are still under development. They have one more month to finish the game and they can use that to make it better. So who knows, maybe the games will be better looking by the launch.
Post by: Jensen on October 01, 2006, 01:01:44 PM
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Originally posted by: ShaolinKilla
I know I've stated this before but if someone has seen those Farcry palm trees, they look like they were done with 256x256 textures, that hasn't been the standard since the N64 days. Actually the N64 days might have been less, depending on how much detail an onject needs.
The biggest texture in mario 64 (not including title screens) is 64x32. Occasionaly, 2 32X64 textures were put together to make a 64x64 texture.
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 01, 2006, 02:39:12 PM
I think this is the biggest problem. Big name games need to come out on the Wii that aren't Nintendo made. Almost all of the great games on the Cube were Nintendo. I want huge titles on the Wii that are non Nintendo too. The Wii needs more non Nintendo system sellers if it is going to bring in the masses.
Post by: Kairon on October 01, 2006, 02:52:35 PM
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Originally posted by: Mr. Jack
"Not ALL games that will come at and after launch be triple A titles and truth to be told, the best ones will come from Nintendo."
I think this is the biggest problem. Big name games need to come out on the Wii that aren't Nintendo made. Almost all of the great games on the Cube were Nintendo. I want huge titles on the Wii that are non Nintendo too. The Wii needs more non Nintendo system sellers if it is going to bring in the masses.
ANNNNND we're back to this again. Oh yay.
All I know is that I intend to buy a TON of third party games on the Wii, and hopefully my Wii collection will look more like my DS collection instead of my N64 collection. My most treasured DS memories have been on third party games.
And this game WILL be in my Wii collection. I enjoyed the first Call of Duty and played it over and over, I'll do the same here.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Requiem on October 01, 2006, 05:57:10 PM
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 01, 2006, 06:54:34 PM
PS - Its been a bad day for me, my damned computer dropped dead out of the blue and now I will have to drop a grand or more to pick up something comparable so I can do my work, not to mention figure out someway to retrieve all the data from my HDD.
Post by: trip1eX on October 01, 2006, 07:02:14 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 01, 2006, 11:06:16 PM
Post by: wandering on October 02, 2006, 12:42:01 AM
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alot of praise [...] Red Steel
Since when? Everyone seems hyped for Red Steel, except for the people who have actually played it. I hate to say this, but I'm expecting it to be nothing more than an EA Bond level shooter.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on October 02, 2006, 01:12:13 AM
His hands are like something from Lego, where they're always open! "HOW CAN I DEFEND WITH THESE!" But he'll die with a smile painted on his block head, and that's okay!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 02, 2006, 04:54:31 AM
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Originally posted by: wanderingQuote
alot of praise [...] Red Steel
Since when? Everyone seems hyped for Red Steel, except for the people who have actually played it. I hate to say this, but I'm expecting it to be nothing more than an EA Bond level shooter.
Since it was first unveiled...
Red Steel is...
1. The first major Wii title ever revealed
2. An exclusive "mature" title for a Nintendo console
3. An exclusive "mature" THIRD PARTY title for a Nintendo console
4. A new franchise from a third party created exclusive for a Nintendo console
Regardless of quality, the game will do well based on those facts. Nintendo has hyped Red Steel more than Twilight Princess or any of the other launch games and I wouldn't be surprised if the advertisement is split between Red Steel and Twilight Princess.
I'm not that excited about the game (a friend of mine is, though, and I am going to see what he thinks of it before I play it), but I expect it to be good. The way I see it, Red Steel could be like Geist. The game was flawed in some areas, but its execution and story were good enough that it won people over.
Post by: Smoke39 on October 02, 2006, 05:51:22 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 02, 2006, 07:06:07 AM
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Originally posted by: wanderingQuote
alot of praise [...] Red Steel
Since when? Everyone seems hyped for Red Steel, except for the people who have actually played it. I hate to say this, but I'm expecting it to be nothing more than an EA Bond level shooter.
Thanks for taking what I said completely out of context :-P. Yeah Red Steel has been getting mixed hands-on reviews, but opinion of it has been improving as the final polishing touches are being put on it, with really the only complaints centering more on the controls which will most likely improve when the final version is released. Regardless both Rayman and Madden Wii have been getting alot of praise (especially Madden) and that still is something new for a Nintendo console since the N64 days.
Post by: Terranigma Freak on October 02, 2006, 02:08:59 PM
Post by: ginx619 on October 02, 2006, 02:13:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Terranigma Freak
Slightly off topic, but I thought Far Cry actually looks really nice. I honestly don't see the big deal. The textures do look blurry, but the models seem to have a decent polygon count, nice lighting, and beautiful reflections in the water. I can't see any of that in COD3.
I think the main problem with Far Cry is that when the Wii screenshots are held up against the original Xbox's screenshots they look worse. It really looks like UBI just rushed it to make launch and have taken no time to optimize it for the Wii other than the control scheme.
Post by: zakkiel on October 02, 2006, 02:52:36 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 02, 2006, 08:23:39 PM
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