Post by: Kairon on September 27, 2006, 09:20:55 AM
Too lazy? How about:
-Peter Jackson (the DIRECTOR) founding a game development studio with Microsoft to work on two games, one of 'em using the Halo universe!
-Halo RTS announced
-GTA IV coming out next November, BUT the XBox 360 will have TWO EXCLUSIVE episodes released via Live a couple months later that Sony won't get!
-The next Splinter Cell after Double Agent will be X360 EXCLUSIVE!
-BioShock will have Windows and X360 timed exclusivity at least! (PS3 version may not even exist?)
-NEW BANJO & KAZOOIE GAME FROM RARE
-Marvel Universe MMO for X360 and Windows by the makers of City of Heroes
-DOOM out on XBOX Live NOW, Sensible Soccer coming soon
-external HD-DVD player for X360 coming out in U.S., U.K. France and Germany in mid-November
... Microsoft is really, really, hungry. I think with their Peter Jackson collaboration, their attempts to wrangle exclusive content or actual exclusivity for BioShock, GTA IV and Splinter Cell, AND their positioning X360 to be an equal value to the PS3 this fall... Sony could be in trouble.
And I serious think that anyone who pooh-poohs MS or doesn't have them on their radar is liable to get a rude awakening. Microsoft is aggressive, they're young, talented, hungry, and they're looking very, very, confident.
They may actually beat out P3 this generation, and if the Wii's blue ocean masses don't materialize... the X360 could get dominant marketshare.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: couchmonkey on September 27, 2006, 09:44:43 AM
Microsoft is definitely being aggressive, and I do think the company could make big strides in the west, but I doubt that it will make any progress in Japan, which I think will ultimately prevent it from achieving the kind of dominance Sony had for the last two generations.
Post by: Kairon on September 27, 2006, 09:57:58 AM
... And if MS and Sony really ARE going to get entangled and duke it out, does this provide an opening for Nintendo?
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Ian Sane on September 27, 2006, 09:59:00 AM
Still getting exclusive Splinter Cell and exclusice GTA content are pretty good moves. Having Peter Jackson involved is just a great marketing tool even if the resulting games aren't that hot. I'm excited about Banjo-Kazooie but I wonder if the Xbox fanbase will be. They're not typically all that interested in fluffy happy games like Banjo.
What does Doom on Xbox Live mean? The original game?
Post by: Kairon on September 27, 2006, 10:03:30 AM
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Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on September 27, 2006, 10:46:05 AM
(I've been watching that mod since the beginning... I swear I'll never legally purchase another piece of MS's crap again.)
Post by: hudsonhawk on September 27, 2006, 11:06:47 AM
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Originally posted by: Sir_Stabbalot
Well, Mocrosoft sent Halogens (a mod for Command and Conqer Generals that had been in development for THREE YEARS and had been endorsed by the Bungie team) a Cease and Desist letter for fear of it competing with their RTS. Since they're afraid of a mod for a three-year-old game, I'm not sure how confident they are.
IANAL but I'd imagine it has less to do with competition and more to do with trademark dilution.
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(I've been watching that mod since the beginning... I swear I'll never legally purchase another piece of MS's crap again.)
Uh, ok.
Post by: TrueNerd on September 27, 2006, 11:13:51 AM
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Originally posted by: Sir_Stabbalot
Well, Mocrosoft sent Halogens (a mod for Command and Conqer Generals that had been in development for THREE YEARS and had been endorsed by the Bungie team) a Cease and Desist letter for fear of it competing with their RTS. Since they're afraid of a mod for a three-year-old game, I'm not sure how confident they are.
(I've been watching that mod since the beginning... I swear I'll never legally purchase another piece of MS's crap again.)
I thought the team behind that game was employed by Microsoft to make Halo Wars... was that a lie?
Post by: Kairon on September 27, 2006, 12:15:04 PM
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Post by: KnowsNothing on September 27, 2006, 12:23:16 PM
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I'm excited about Banjo-Kazooie but I wonder if the Xbox fanbase will be. They're not typically all that interested in fluffy happy games like Banjo.
You mean fluffy happy games like Bomberman?
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 27, 2006, 12:54:25 PM
And sure, the hardcore Xbox gamers will rant and rave about all this good news, but it's the same terrible developers making the same terrible games, that were terrible from the start. So I personally have no interest.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 27, 2006, 01:27:31 PM
Also about Rare, if Conker, a cute fluffy type game mixed with some extreme action attitude can't sell what makes you think Banjo will. If Rare wants to stop bleeding money out its @ss they need to release something saleable on 360. Personally I have no faith in them whatsoever now, seeing as how they ruined Perfect Dark.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 27, 2006, 02:17:34 PM
Um, whoop-de-doo...
-Halo RTS announced
Ahahaha, noone who plays Halo gives a flying **** about RTS games...
-GTA IV coming out next November, BUT the XBox 360 will have TWO EXCLUSIVE episodes released via Live a couple months later that Sony won't get!
Well that'll hurt Sony a bit for sure...
-The next Splinter Cell after Double Agent will be X360 EXCLUSIVE!
Hahahaha...
-BioShock will have Windows and X360 timed exclusivity at least! (PS3 version may not even exist?)
Well, if I ever get this game it'd be for 360 anyway...
-NEW BANJO & KAZOOIE GAME FROM RARE
ABOUT BLOODY TIME! Too bad it'll probably suck... ;_;
EDIT:
WTF IS THIS? WTF! WHAT THE...***************************... ;_;
Post by: Kairon on September 27, 2006, 02:53:06 PM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on September 27, 2006, 02:56:51 PM
I am...SO...angry right now...SO ANGRY! >=O
This is just...This is just AWFUL....AWFUL, AWFUL, AWFUL! Oh God, this is so horrid...
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 27, 2006, 02:57:39 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Post by: Smoke39 on September 27, 2006, 03:01:58 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 27, 2006, 03:20:32 PM
Besides, this is WAAAAY better so far compared to Perfect Dark Zero...
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: wandering on September 27, 2006, 03:48:44 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 27, 2006, 03:49:59 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on September 27, 2006, 03:58:56 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 27, 2006, 04:07:12 PM
Joanna was a WOMAN BEFORE! SHE WAS BRITISH! NOW SHE'S JUST A... A RED HAIRED TEENYBOPPER POP PRINCESS EMO MYSPACEWHORE!!!
*wheeze* *wheeze*
Joanna was... a strong character before... now she has highlights.
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Post by: wandering on September 27, 2006, 04:13:07 PM
But this....just look at how awesome Banjo was, circa the original Rare-Xbox announcement:
Forget Celda. THIS is what a horrific bait-and-switch looks like.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 27, 2006, 04:22:07 PM
EDIT:
CASE...IN...POINT...
Post by: Artimus on September 27, 2006, 04:38:56 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 27, 2006, 05:10:52 PM
The game will suck. All of the original talent Rare had that made the first game decent is GONE.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 27, 2006, 05:13:24 PM
That being said. These models are not great at all. It is really showing the original limits of poorly designed characters. I kinda like Banjo's face, but Kazooie is just plan silly...and that last picture that Bill posted is just scary.
I guess Banjo is using his friend as a gas powered saw or something?
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 27, 2006, 05:19:14 PM
NO...NO NO NO! >=O Banjo was awesome and Kazooie actually was cute! NOW THEY ARE AWFUL...AWESOME DOES NOT EQUAL AWFUL! >=O
You cannot be serious...CANNOT! >=O
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 27, 2006, 05:56:14 PM
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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
ahahahahahahahahahahaha
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
ahahahahahahahahahahaha
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
MS likes reviving dead franchises! Things that fall down a mountain don't want to climb back up!
Post by: capamerica on September 27, 2006, 06:03:55 PM
Now I will admit I have never been a fan of Rare so for me its really funny to see Rare totally destroy their series and turn into a bunch of no talent losers. I was personally fine with Nintendo drop kicking that money pit to the curb for MS to pick up. StarFox Adventure wasn't that good of a Zelda clone. Grabbed by the Ghoulies was painfully bad. Conker Live and Reloaded was a decent port of a good N64 game. Kameo is an example of what happens when a game stays in development to long. just like when you leave bread in the oven to long it gets all burnt and nasty. Perfect Dark Zero was a 'Par' FPS, there was nothing special about it unlike the original, infact the best way to look at the game with out saying it totally destroyed the series was to look at it as having nothing to do with the original and being a totally new series. Viva Pinata is going to suck so bad it won't be funny, If the TV show is any indication of what the game is going to be like God help us all. And I have no faith that Banjo 3 is going to be decent, the first one was decent, the second one started off okay then got bad very fast, it was a sign to me that things at Rare weren't all right, Something was wrong.
That being said I totally agree with Bill when he says "Banjo went from a bear to a serial rapist druggie" as for Kazooie she looks like she was ripped from 'Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends'
Post by: wandering on September 27, 2006, 06:35:42 PM
Post by: SixthAngel on September 27, 2006, 07:18:41 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
-Halo RTS announced
Ahahaha, noone who plays Halo gives a flying **** about RTS games...
I care, but I am a Bungie fan, not just a halo fan. Halo was originally going to be an RTS and I think Bungie's previous games Myth 1 and 2 were the best RTS of all time. (If anybody here has played them say so) Since Bungie doesn't seem to be developing it the new game will most likely reek of standard rts concepts and suck.
Doesn't this announce about 3 Halo spinoff games? This series is going to be watered down extremely fast and lose the big appeal that a smart company would want to keep for the long run instead of losing it for a quick buck.
Banjo scares me.
Post by: Mario on September 27, 2006, 07:44:28 PM
Post by: mantidor on September 27, 2006, 08:09:24 PM
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 27, 2006, 08:14:42 PM
not that I actually care, as probably Rare will screw up again anyways.....
Post by: Kairon on September 27, 2006, 08:27:01 PM
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Post by: wandering on September 27, 2006, 08:35:15 PM
Let's go over what the changes are and why they suck.
-Banjo's nose and snout squared: pointless and ugly.
-Banjo's mouth shape changed so that it extends back along the sides of his face. This makes him more animal-like. Maybe to de-cute-ify him for the Xbox crowd. Second biggest reason for the "druggie" facial expression.
-Banjo's eyes changed to narrow slits. Biggest reason for the "druggie" facial expression.
-"Druggie" facial expression. Completely destroys his character.
-Kazooie's beak made longer. Don't really mind this one.
-Given long eyelashes. Completley destroys h-(crap, is Kazooie a boy or a girl?) character.
If they fix the character's damn eyes, that would probably be enough for me to feel that everyone's favorite wide-eyed, happy-go-lucky bear, and his wise-cracking sidekick, have come back. As they stand, these creatures are abominations, twisted imitations of Banjo and Kazooie that don't deserve their names.
Post by: Kairon on September 27, 2006, 08:40:22 PM
... also Kazooie doesn't seem to be wearing lipstick no more...
... please take me back... /whimper
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Bill Aurion on September 27, 2006, 08:43:03 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 27, 2006, 09:05:04 PM
QuoteMaybe because with a full year lead and a huge budget following a $4 billion loss the previous generation, they only have a lead of 4-5 million. They have had moderate success in Europe and haven't even made a dent in Japan, despite all their efforts to. In contrast, Nintendo expects to sell 4 million in less than six weeks.
Why am I the only one who seems to wake up each day in fear of Microsoft winning?!?!?!?!??!?!?!
Post by: wandering on September 27, 2006, 09:08:51 PM
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Kazooie is a girl...
Right, thanks. I need to play the game again. All I remember is that guy with the wrinkly nuts.
Oh, and the camel who want to lava world. And mojo. And flying through Treasure Trove Cove. And those damn snowmen. And Gruntilda's rhymes. And the giant turtle in the swamp. And the secret code that turned you into a washing machine. And the load game screen. And the jigsaw puzzle in your house.
Such a great game.
Post by: mantidor on September 27, 2006, 10:01:02 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 27, 2006, 10:08:48 PM
...please don't ban me.
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Kairon@aol.com
Post by: KDR_11k on September 27, 2006, 10:25:21 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on September 27, 2006, 10:32:32 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
Forgive me for my blunt honesty, but those complains are just lame. Its just tiny graphical details, this is nowhere near the rape of Joahna Dark. Id even say that Link in TP saw a much bigger transformation from its predecessors than these two guys.
What you call tiny graphical details looks like complete butchering of the characters to me. I'd compare it to the misshapen drawings of Link in the CDi Zelda games' cutscenes.
Post by: wandering on September 27, 2006, 10:57:57 PM
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Forgive me for my blunt honesty, but those complains are just lame. Its just tiny graphical details,
The problem isn't how much they changed so much as how bad the changes are. When I first saw the new Joanna Dark, I said 'oh, cool.' When I first saw Wind Waker in motion, my jaw dropped to the floor. As it did when I saw Twilight Princess. But this.....
Post by: Hocotate on September 28, 2006, 01:05:49 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
This is horrible ; ; I could tolerate the new Kazooie, but the Banjo!? >< They look like your average crappy Cartoon Network characters >< Nintendo losing Rare is definately a good thing. This is so bad I can't even lol at it's uglyness.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 28, 2006, 02:54:48 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
Forgive me for my blunt honesty, but those complains are just lame. Its just tiny graphical details, this is nowhere near the rape of Joahna Dark. Id even say that Link in TP saw a much bigger transformation from its predecessors than these two guys.
Ahahaha, irony...
TP Link looks awesome (AND IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CHARACTER THAN THE PREVIOUS LINKS), Dark looks bad, Banjo is the worst character re-design in videogame history...It's like you'd consider taking a sledgehammer to someone's face a "tiny visual detail"...Pah!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 28, 2006, 03:11:14 AM
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Post by: nitsu niflheim on September 28, 2006, 04:50:36 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
... I hate Banjo's new combed-up hair style... he looks less country now...
Something About Mary hairstyle.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 28, 2006, 05:05:51 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"To be a realistic those character designs are infinitely better than the original Banjo and Kazooie. Go back and look at the original...the designs were STUPID!!! Seriously. Look at the other Rare animal designed characters, and realize the models weren't that great."
NO...NO NO NO! >=O Banjo was awesome and Kazooie actually was cute! NOW THEY ARE AWFUL...AWESOME DOES NOT EQUAL AWFUL! >=O
You cannot be serious...CANNOT! >=O
Bill I am serious. Those two screens and character art look completely the same to me. One is using better technology, but they are rather similar. I don't think Kazooie is any more or less cuter in her new design...actually I would lean to cutier...and Banjo doesn't look any more or less retarded.
Its a stupid bear in yellow pants and a backpack. I never understood anyone who truly enjoyed those characters concepts. Part of my opinion may come from the fact that I disliked the flow and design of the games. But it is not all of it. Go back and look at almost all of the character Rare designed (except for the human characters) most of them are very poor concepts.
Banjo Kazooie
The other Kongs from Donkey Kong 64
Conker the Squirrel
Kameo: Elements of Power
DIDDY KONG RACING
JET FORCE GEMINI
Many of these games (if not all of them) have questionable art design and character concepts. Jet Force Gemini actually had some pretty cool characters, until they grew them up.
Basically, character design is hard to create truly classic and great characters. We remember Rare's fondly because the games were great and fun to play...but that didn't make the characters great. Banjo and Kazooie are perfect examples of that...both look stupid in the original design and in the new design.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 28, 2006, 05:13:49 AM
I'm going to go on record as saying I really like Johanna's redesign. Yes, it's impractical, and yes, it's kind of commercial, but she's way cuter than her old, butch design - even if the old design was more realisitic.
This, however, is a travesty. I want to see some videos, maybe I should have seen them before I wrote this, but Banjo just looks so...nasty. The innocent, dumb old bear look that made it possible to believe that he'd put up with Kazooie (instead of eating her) is gone. The cowlick is dumb, they eyes are creepy, the mouth is a little scary. I actually kind of like the square nose, but the rest is so depressing.
Kazooie's redesign is unecessary but acceptable.
The real question is whether or not the game will be any good. It will be labeled a collect-a-thon, but so were the two previous ones. Unless the collecting is vastly better or worse than in the first two games, I don't want to even hear about it. How is the rest of the game?
Edit: AH HA HA HA. Saw the trailer. Still don't like Banjo's design, though it's more tolerable in motion. But what I found hilarious was how they're so eager to go and collect stuff at the end, like collect-a-thon junkies.
Post by: Deguello on September 28, 2006, 05:30:15 AM
It's not the same, or even a semblance of the same. And Remember, this is one of Rare's old franchises and I bet they are counting on people recognizing it from years past, so at least a resemblance to those old games would be necessary.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 28, 2006, 05:39:00 AM
I AM saying both the original designs AND the new designs suck.
Though, I have admit, after watching the video I actually understand what you are complaining about...but it isn't neccessarly the character designs...it is the character PERSONALITIES...which they did completely butcher. That video did not feel at all like Banjo and Kazooie, in fact it felt anything but.
Post by: Ceric on September 28, 2006, 06:01:35 AM
Now on the Halo RTS did they announce it would be on the 360 or that it was going to be made? If just made MS does have this little thing called Windows to run it on.
Also could someone link that oft talked about but never linked video?
Post by: capamerica on September 28, 2006, 06:22:50 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 28, 2006, 06:25:39 AM
They do look like puppets...and I think that is kinda cool actually.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on September 28, 2006, 06:37:22 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 28, 2006, 07:01:28 AM
Post by: BigJim on September 28, 2006, 07:25:38 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 28, 2006, 07:28:40 AM
What has MS really accomplished by obtaining Rare? They haven't had a classic game yet and the Xbox fanbase isn't really interested in the types of games they make. It seems all MS has accomplished is taking a resource away from a competitor.
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 28, 2006, 07:40:15 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
Forgive me for my blunt honesty, but those complains are just lame..
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Originally posted by: mantidor in the Awesome article on Wii and Disruptive Business Strategies topic
...like that HORRIBLE model for Samus in echoes...
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Originally posted by: mantidor in the TP a sell out (even more than before!) topic
So just to make the horrible wii version even more disgusting, Link is... I still cannot believe it... right handed now.
OH! THE IRONY!
Post by: couchmonkey on September 28, 2006, 07:50:12 AM
Post by: Nick DiMola on September 28, 2006, 07:55:10 AM
Post by: RiskyChris on September 28, 2006, 08:23:27 AM
sheesh
Post by: capamerica on September 28, 2006, 08:42:40 AM
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Originally posted by: PartyBear
Who the crap is Johanna? If that were pronounced the same, I might see cause for confusion, but I hate ranting about spelling, so that's all for now. I think the new Kazooie looks fine. She looks much more like what I remember from the original game than the render in Mr. Jack's avatar does. Banjo has some problems. I don't think the squarish schnoz would look quite so bad if they hadn't screwed up his eyes so badly. Those eyes destroy the whole thing. Also, the bare patch on his chest is actually sticking out beyond the fur on the rest of his body. It should be the other way around. The highlights draw the eye right to it, and it looks like he's wearing body armor or something.
Joanna Dark is from Perfect Dark
Johanna is from Perfect Dark Zero
Just kidding, I just copied and pasted from his comment and took his spelling error along with it.
Post by: mantidor on September 28, 2006, 09:07:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Athrun ZalaQuote
Originally posted by: mantidor
Forgive me for my blunt honesty, but those complains are just lame..Quote
Originally posted by: mantidor in the Awesome article on Wii and Disruptive Business Strategies topic
...like that HORRIBLE model for Samus in echoes...Quote
Originally posted by: mantidor in the TP a sell out (even more than before!) topic
So just to make the horrible wii version even more disgusting, Link is... I still cannot believe it... right handed now.
OH! THE IRONY!
LOL
I realize that I'd probably noticed the change more if I was a fan of the games, but also I never played Perfect Dark to begin with, and the change there was awful in my eyes nowhere near what is happening here.
and you are aware every funhouse thread is a joke, right?
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 28, 2006, 09:17:55 AM
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Originally posted by: Mr. Jack
I'm sorry Spak but you are really offbase here. I really don't see what was wrong with the original character design, and I certainly don't see why it sucked. The new one sucks simply because its so different from the old one. Had there never been a previous Banjo game I'd say whatever and it probably wouldn't be a big deal. I just don't get why it's so hard to stick with already designed and created characters. I'm sure if Rare would've stuck with the same character models they could've pulled some Nintendo fans into the 360 experience with just one must have game (assuming they don't tamper with the gameplay either). One of the big reasons I picked up a 360 was for Rare franchises, and sequels to some of my favorite games of all time. I guess we'll see how this one turns out, but I'm a little worried just from the small changes I saw in this video.
But here is the thing...they really haven't changed that much.
Banjo's original design had a elongated face with a more rounded nose on top.
The new design carries that elongated face flattens it out alittle, and gives a more square nose (that actually looks pretty good on the face.)
Banjo's eyes in the original are typical large eyed cartoon eyes...and the new Banjo eyes are similar, except for a round patch of light brown fur before the original fur. The eyes may be slightly smaller, but they don't look that drastically different.
In fact, the whole character design is basically the same...I think perhaps the rendering could have been better. Bringing the bear chest into the fur instead of extending it out.
And finally, Kazooie looks much, much better. She has a much thinner defined bird like body. That is appealing to the eyes.
The limitations of the original Banjo design are showing through. As you improve upon it, and use more sophisticated graphics and such, the overalll flaws in the entire character are showing.
It is a big goofy country hick bear with Yellow shorts and a Backpack with a bird in it. It just doesn't work for me as a character. The personality isn't interesting, and character concept isn't either.
If someone had grabbed a screen shot from the trailer that was further back, I believe people wouldn't have the same quarrels with it.
It really isn't that different. Its not like they gave Batman a White Costume with wings and a bright shiney heart or something.
Post by: ThePerm on September 28, 2006, 09:36:49 AM
Post by: Nick DiMola on September 28, 2006, 09:41:41 AM
I will agree with you on Kazooie though, she looks much better, and my annoyances don't really have anything to do with her, other than the fact that she should've made fun of Banjo at least once, but that is more of a personality change more than a visual change. Like I said we'll see what happens maybe it won't be a big deal. As long as the gameplay and the personailty is still there I can overlook the visual change of Banjo.
Post by: Kairon on September 28, 2006, 09:51:09 AM
The day Rare changed Joanna's design, feminism died.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 28, 2006, 09:59:57 AM
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Originally posted by: Mr. Jack
Spak because you aren't a fan of the game I think you see the changes as subtle rather than huge like a fan would. For instance, I HATE Halo with a passion, if they slightly altered Master Chief I probably wouldn't notice any large amount of difference, but a Halo fan would go bonkers because what they knew and loved was tampered with. I think this situation is quite similar. For those of us who love BK we see a huge change in character and personality, it might be small and subtle to you, but my immediate impression when the video first came on was "What the hell did they do to Banjo!?"
Truth! But the druggie eyes are not so subtle...If they gave him his cute eyes back it'd help a LOT... ;_;
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 28, 2006, 10:10:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Mr. Jack
Spak because you aren't a fan of the game I think you see the changes as subtle rather than huge like a fan would. For instance, I HATE Halo with a passion, if they slightly altered Master Chief I probably wouldn't notice any large amount of difference, but a Halo fan would go bonkers because what they knew and loved was tampered with. I think this situation is quite similar. For those of us who love BK we see a huge change in character and personality, it might be small and subtle to you, but my immediate impression when the video first came on was "What the hell did they do to Banjo!?"
I will agree with you on Kazooie though, she looks much better, and my annoyances don't really have anything to do with her, other than the fact that she should've made fun of Banjo at least once, but that is more of a personality change more than a visual change. Like I said we'll see what happens maybe it won't be a big deal. As long as the gameplay and the personailty is still there I can overlook the visual change of Banjo.
That is a fair assessment...and very true. Perhaps I am not the best person to give an opinion, as I am not a fan.
Though Bill, I didn't notice Druggie eyes...his eyes do portray a kinda slower mental personality...like he isn't the brightest bear in the woods, but I didn't see druggie. Oh well. It doesn't matter, because it is just another game I won't own...being a single console "poor" gamer.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on September 28, 2006, 10:21:36 AM
Post by: Ceric on September 28, 2006, 10:29:42 AM
I will agree that fans will notice changes more. The eyes could be better but I think the design is going to work for what I believe they want to accomplish. We'll have to just wait and see for more information and footage to make an informed decision. Ironically enough I really doubt that people who played the original and can remember it in detail are the target market for this game.
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 28, 2006, 06:45:04 PM
Quote+yeah,but I just had to add it for MASSIVE DAMAGE
Originally posted by: mantidor and you are aware every funhouse thread is a joke, right?
Post by: KDR_11k on September 28, 2006, 10:38:08 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
If you don't mourn the death of modern-day independent-woman, british, mature, real-beauty, I-am-not-a-pin-up, strong-role-model Joanna Dark, then you are a chauvinist.
Or you're just playing NOLF instead.
Post by: Kairon on September 29, 2006, 09:38:01 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11kQuote
Originally posted by: Kairon
If you don't mourn the death of modern-day independent-woman, british, mature, real-beauty, I-am-not-a-pin-up, strong-role-model Joanna Dark, then you are a chauvinist.
Or you're just playing NOLF instead.
Cate Archer doesn't hold a candle to Joanna and Velvet and you KNOW it.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 29, 2006, 10:03:57 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 29, 2006, 12:53:05 PM
But there's more to it than that. In fact I once championed feminism in videogames quite heavily, and I'm still all for it. The other reason I like the PD0 design better is because it takes a step further from reality. They could make her flat-chested and short-haired, as long as she's less realistic than before, I like that. Visually, I find realism dull.
I have some tiny guilt because I agree that the old design was one of the best, most realistic designs for a female game heroine, but I'm not going to pretend that I like it better just because I know it was morally superior to her new design. I like cartoon hotties.
I also like variety, and I hope Rare continues to evolve the design on Perfect Dark when it makes another sequel. Edit: I'd also say that I hope Rare makes the next Perfect Dark a better game, but as long as they suck, I don't have to buy an Xbox.
Post by: Kairon on September 29, 2006, 06:24:26 PM
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Post by: Adrock on September 30, 2006, 12:18:06 PM
Anyway, the X06 announcements don't really rock the gaming world. Losing Splinter Cell hardly affects Sony when they have like everything else despite seemingly f-ing up everything they possibly could with PS3. Nintendo is doing their own thing which is good for them because they likely wouldn't have gotten any of those titles anyway had they just developed a High-def machine with standard controls. They're getting their own exclusives, albeit less in number , but they're getting them nonetheless.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 11, 2006, 10:07:33 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
I don't like Joanna's old character design because she was more realistic, or because she was a strong feminist character (though that was a plus), I like old Joanna because she didn't insult my intelligence.
QFT. Joanna looks like the type of skanky 14 year old you expect to see trying to get into clubs in the hopes of getting action from older guys.
But back to BK: This game won't sell on the 360. Blinx the Cat was a mascot platformer as well and it crashed and burned on the Xbox because it's not the right market.
BK1 was a decent game and the collecting wasn't THAT bad. BK2 was a massive collectathon, the likes of which was only outdone by DK64. BK2 didn't do nearly as well, hence why they put the series on hold for so long (and even if that wasn't the reason, it's still logically sound).
How many Nintendo fans are going to jump over to the 360 so they can play a game they didn't buy on the N64?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 11, 2006, 12:13:14 PM
