Post by: airraid on September 17, 2006, 11:45:12 AM
realtime demo Spaceworld 2000, 60 frames per second
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Twilight Princess gameplay, ~30 frames per second
oh and also....
Soul Calibur II Gamecube prerendered CGI intro
Twilight Princess realtime cutscene
I like the new close up of the Master Sword, it looks even cooler than the one in the SCII GCN intro
so...... what do you think ?
well anyway, I wish I didn't have to wait almost 3 months for the Gamecube version of Twilight Princess. it's almost as if Nintendo doesn't want to talk about it. I'll be getting both versions anyway, but I might get the Gamecube game first, then the Wii version. haven't made up my mind yet. in the mean time, what else is there to do ? oh yeah, finish playing TWW
Post by: Artimus on September 17, 2006, 11:54:22 AM
Post by: airraid on September 17, 2006, 12:15:04 PM
technically speaking Link looks and animates better in the spaceworld demo. technically the graphics are more advanced. there are more polys, better animation, stronger lighting, and it runs at about twice the framerate.
with that said, the art direction and overall look of Link in Twilight Princess is much better.
which proves that artwork can make something look better than something that is technically more advanced.
Post by: IceCold on September 17, 2006, 01:55:18 PM
Post by: airraid on September 17, 2006, 02:25:18 PM
IIRC, Miyamoto said he told the development team *not* to spend time upgrading the graphics of the Wii version, but rather, adding additional content (maybe dungeons, areas) to both versions and making use of the Wiimote controls in the Wii version.
Post by: wandering on September 17, 2006, 06:46:41 PM
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technically speaking Link looks and animates better in the spaceworld demo. technically the graphics are more advanced. there are more polys, better animation, stronger lighting, and it runs at about twice the framerate.
the textures really suck, though.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 17, 2006, 07:32:07 PM
Post by: jasonditz on September 17, 2006, 08:01:37 PM
The top one looks a little more cartoonish, but I don't see it as inferior, personally.
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 17, 2006, 10:38:25 PM
You're blind or stupid if you think the two are basically the same. It has nothing to do with cartoonishness, either. The cartoonishness isn't intentional cartoonishness, but the result of inexperience with the technology and a rushed artistic approach.
I'm very much gameplay over graphics, but I might also point out that Twilight Princess is the only playable game of the three (one being a demo and another being CGI cutscene). You've got to appreciate the effort put into Twilight Princess over the other two (in art and technology). It's simply better. I'm hardly even considering this a matter of opinion.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 17, 2006, 11:18:02 PM
Post by: jasonditz on September 18, 2006, 08:03:51 AM
I'm still not sure though... is this all "better graphics" have to offer us at this point is needlessly busy patterns on clothing? That doesn't seem worth it to me.
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 18, 2006, 08:13:37 AM
And yeah, graphics are basically expanding what can go on at one time, how impressive it can look, how detailed everything can look while running at optimum speed. I don't consider it needlessly busy patterns, but an intimacy of detail. Pikmin has few if any patterns in it, but the graphics are very crisp, defined; you have one hundred Pikmin running around at one time yet everything runs smoothly, and you can still see the cracks in the dust.
To each his own, though.
Post by: jasonditz on September 18, 2006, 11:16:16 AM
Sometimes a window is just a window, it doesn't need to be an opportunity to show off all our real time lighting effects.
Post by: airraid on September 18, 2006, 11:58:40 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VCW2nYeEPt8
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 19, 2006, 02:51:37 AM
Twilight Princess exceeds everything the SpaceWorld demo had to offer except 60 FPS, but there was also nothing else on the screen in the SW demo either...
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 19, 2006, 07:39:40 AM
the only other thing besides 60fps that demo seems to have is AntiAliasing (or maybe it's just a post processing effect.....)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 19, 2006, 10:56:05 AM
Post by: vudu on September 19, 2006, 12:24:42 PM
Post by: Ceric on September 19, 2006, 12:33:11 PM
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Source: Merriam Webster
1 : any of a family (Phocoenidae) of small gregarious toothed whales; especially : a blunt-snouted usually largely black whale (Phocoena phocoena) of the North Atlantic and North Pacific that is five to eight feet (1.5 to 2.4 meters) long
2 : DOLPHIN 1a(1)Quote
I'm confused by that Pro.
Anyways. I can definitely see why they choose to go with the Wind Waker are style now.
The TP pictures feel like everything fits together better.
Oh I am also hoping you don't start with the Master Sword. I've been wanting a Zelda game that did the original progression, Wood, Silver, and then Master.
Post by: IceCold on September 19, 2006, 05:40:28 PM
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 19, 2006, 07:31:44 PM
Quoteseconded except the jerk part =P
Originally posted by: vudu
More like YOU NEED to upload a high resolution version to your website JERK.
has something happened to your site Pro? for some reason I can't enter it anymore..... :/
Post by: ThePerm on September 19, 2006, 09:04:46 PM
also, there are some laughable things on the original video like when ganon moves his arm and like the texture of his armor shifts and it looks stupid. I see armor moving and shifting as armor should in twilight princess
Post by: Kairon on September 19, 2006, 09:06:40 PM
In TP, link is given a bit of a wider face, and his features are more Japanese male. In fact, I'll go ahead and say that I believe that TP Link is the most masculine that Link has ever been.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 19, 2006, 09:36:41 PM
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Originally posted by: Athrun ZalaQuoteseconded except the jerk part =P
Originally posted by: vudu
More like YOU NEED to upload a high resolution version to your website JERK.
has something happened to your site Pro? for some reason I can't enter it anymore..... :/
There were some domain issues. I've updated the link in my sig just now.
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 19, 2006, 10:30:48 PM
Interesting point, but really you're only comparing it to Ocarina of Time. It's unfair to judge most Zeldas (including Wind Waker and Majora's Mask) because they were children, and children are childlike rather than masculine or feminine or androgynous (they are the latter, but in another sense). Before 3D, Link is either a child or too abstract in appearance to really determine a trait such as masculinity.
In regards to OoT Link, though, probably so. But he was a kid in half of that anyway
Post by: Kairon on September 20, 2006, 12:34:31 PM
But god, SW2K Link is feminine, he really looks like a girl to me in some shots.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 20, 2006, 05:31:55 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 20, 2006, 07:16:55 PM
BUT, this will all change with TP's new MANLY LINK!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Smoke39 on September 20, 2006, 08:18:59 PM
Post by: wandering on September 20, 2006, 09:09:51 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
More like NONE OF YOU have seen a pristine copy of the SW footage to make accurate assessments. Youtube pretty much defeats any porpoises of any porpoise.
I watched a pristine copy of the SW footage. A thousand times. Before YouTube was even invented. Sonny-boy.
The SW sword fight is a little better-looking than I remembered, but it's still blandness incarnite. A cut-scene of a sword fight between Ganon and girly-link? While impressive technically, I was pretty dissapointed when I first saw the footage. Let's face it, it'd look more at home in Soul Calibre than The Legend of Zelda...ironic that airraid put footage of the 2 side-by-side.
Twilight Princess, on the other hand, is a thing of beauty.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 20, 2006, 09:30:18 PM
Post by: vudu on September 21, 2006, 08:48:45 AM
QuoteWeren't you like fourteen in 2000? Does that even count?
Originally posted by: wandering
I watched a pristine copy of the SW footage. A thousand times. Before YouTube was even invented. Sonny-boy.
Post by: wandering on September 21, 2006, 10:50:32 AM
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Post by: WalkingTheCow on September 27, 2006, 06:26:01 PM
For one thing that incredible anti-aliasing is probobly added on for the magazine promo the screens are lifted from. If it isn't and the anti-aliasing is actually in-"game" that's because the textures suck. On top of not being as technically impressive as the ones in TP, they also have close to no personality or direction. Like Hostile, I don't even see this as opinion or a point of debate. It's absolutely obvious.
That said, I'm unconvinced the polygon count is really higher even on the character models (the environment doesn't even look close to TP's so let's not bother). Everything looks pretty round, sure but there is a lack of three-dimensional detail as well (ex: Link has pouches and more detailed hair, two layers of clothing ect. . .) So I don't think that's an argument either.
I remember the SW one looking amazing when it was first shown (I'd have been 15) and when I opened this topic I thought that the SW one was gonna look better but before I scrolled down far enough to see the TP screens I was already shocked to see how much worse the SW ones were.
Really great reminder of just how bad-ass Twilight Princess looks.
Post by: Smoke39 on September 27, 2006, 10:36:09 PM
Post by: WalkingTheCow on September 27, 2006, 11:28:39 PM
I just think it looks so. . .blah. And I do mean the uh. . . "art style".
Oh well. . . They're making the one I like better. Heh.
Post by: Smoke39 on September 28, 2006, 12:14:22 AM
Post by: wandering on September 28, 2006, 10:29:04 AM
Post by: Smoke39 on September 28, 2006, 12:38:14 PM
This Link is not.
So. It depends on which TP Link you're refering to.
Post by: Kairon on September 28, 2006, 12:48:21 PM
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Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Smoke39 on September 28, 2006, 12:52:33 PM
Post by: wandering on September 28, 2006, 12:53:14 PM
Poor Link. Destined to save the world all on his own, and remain forever single.
edit: oh, I see. Nevermind!
Post by: Smoke39 on September 28, 2006, 12:58:17 PM
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Originally posted by: wandering
edit: oh, I see. Nevermind!
Yeah, I was about to point out that I also like this one.
Post by: vudu on September 29, 2006, 09:07:22 AM
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Post by: Athrun Zala on September 29, 2006, 06:49:01 PM
Quotewhatever...
Originally posted by: Smoke39
I thought I told you that band is lame.
AC/DC > you
Post by: Smoke39 on September 29, 2006, 11:11:39 PM
Post by: Svevan on September 30, 2006, 12:19:55 AM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 30, 2006, 08:38:17 AM
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 30, 2006, 09:29:57 AM
Quoteagreed, there should be no doubt that TP > SW2000 demo
Originally posted by: Professional 666
I'm locking this soon.
Post by: WalkingTheCow on October 02, 2006, 12:10:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Svevan
Don't derail this crap-thread, guys.
Ah, I completely laughed at this for some reason.
