Post by: Spak-Spang on September 14, 2006, 01:47:12 PM
The idea is everyone to respond just once to this thread, only giving their thoughts on the information...and not responding to others thoughts.
Then people can come here and get a good vibe on whether people are positively receiving the news or negatively...I think it is a good idea.
I will go first.
This event kinda feels like a sucker punch in the middle of a surprise party. I am excited about almost everything announced. The updated games look fantastic, new games look interesting, and I am excited about alot of the games. The Wii Channels all took me by surprise and it is a great navigation system actually featuring tools I will use (Like Weather and News). Finally, I love the Mii Channel and all the potential that service has. First company to make a Mii Character FPSer will become my hero. Everything is so perfect...or so it seems.
Then comes the Sucker Punch...or Sucker Punches, not enough to ruin the experience, but just enough to really hurt.
1)The Price. At $249.99 I would hope for just alittle more. Maybe another controller, I dunno. I don't think the price is unreasonable at all, but I just don't feel I am getting a great value either. I feel that I need just alittle more with the entire package.
2)Cost of Accessories. The Wiipointers we knew were going to be expensive, I think we were all ready for $50.00 with the analog attachment, but to have it be $40 and $20 just seems wierd. Nintendo has shown the Analog attachment from the beginning and it felt to me like the default option not the other way around. Throw in the Classic Controller too and you are spending a pretty penny to play full 4 player multiplayer. It is just sad.
3)Launch games. I actually go back and forth on this. I wish Nintendo had a greater presence, but I think saving games for steady releases into next year is important. And I like that 3rd parties get a chance to shine at launch. Hopefully 3rd parties appreciate that as well.
Those are my big negatives, and they aren't alot, but they do add up.
The positives far outweigh the negative though.
Finally leaving on a positive note, the Virtual Console just keeps getting stronger and stronger, and the price structure is more than fair for classic Nintendo games. I will have to buy atleast one classic controller to download and play oldskool games.
So, in the words of Mario:
"Thank you for Playing Nintendo 64...Whose Next?"
Post by: WalkingTheCow on September 14, 2006, 02:05:34 PM
Obviouslly the price is a letdown. I agree that one more controller would really make that make a whole lot of sense. It's not too expensive as it is but it's also not very impressive and isn't gonna wow as many people as it would have. THERE IS GOING TO BE A LARGER AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO JUST OPT TO GET A 360 THIS HOLIDAY SEASON. Missed opportunity on Nintendo's part to be really aggresive with the price.
The date is also a missed opportunity. All it would take would to be a week, hey, even a few days before the PS3 launch and Nintendo could have stolen a ton of attention. But no. . . two days after. I dunno what they're thinking on that one.
The pricing on the controllers is about what I expected actually. Not great news, but it's not really a blow to me.
The channels look good. The Mii page is going to be fun to mess around with and will draw in some people for sure. The games look better than ever (congrats to Retro on making a control scheme that everyone's apparently very happy with). So that's wonderful.
All in all, a dissapointment. But it is a dissapointment among what is otherwise a fabulous beginning to what looks like a fabulous console.
I'm not phased.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 14, 2006, 02:08:50 PM
..wait not a single word response? I give yay to Nintendo OS /Wii Distro, yay to new screenies, nay to $60 controller
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on September 14, 2006, 02:08:51 PM
Otherwise, nothing really big. I'll buy it as soon as I can.
Post by: decoyman on September 14, 2006, 02:15:52 PM
Post by: Neodymium on September 14, 2006, 02:28:02 PM
1) One month too late. Way to lose a chance to kill Sony, guys.. No question that if they had shipped it in short supply at the end of October and had demo units everywhere, buzz would be mad. Then they could ship again, flooding shelves on November 17th. Instead, they'll be playing second fiddle as an afterthought to the mass media madness of the PS3 launch.
2) Fifty dollars too much. We all think this.
3) No DVD playback.. *sigh* you want to charge us 50 dollars too much, which is one thing, but we all know Nintendo could have integrated DVD playback into each unit for like 5 dollars. They say it isn't worth the price when putting a plain ol' DVD player in there would have been a negligible cost.. yeah, it's not a huge deal to me but it's a huge sign of weakness to the mainstream consumer, I assure you.
4) No online. Absolutely ridiculous.
The cost won't be a huge issue once the deed is done, but the late launch could snowball into long-term suffering like Gamecube. It's funny because if you look at old magazines where Iwata and the rest discuss the "NES5" they all swear to beat Sony and MS to market, by "a year if we have to." Hopefully Wii won't flag into oblivion like Gamecube but instead become more and more and more popular like DS.
And hopefully we'll be shocked that online is great.. Xbox didn't have XBL for its first year and if we were surprised and got something that good (one name across the board and universal communication are most important) then it'll be fantastic.
I guess that's it. Maybe, just maybe Nintendo will partner with another electronics company to create an HD-DVD USB drive a la 360, but it's not going to be Matsushita because they're behind teh bloo-rae =0.
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 14, 2006, 02:30:00 PM
Post by: Famicom on September 14, 2006, 02:33:08 PM
The interface is absolutely fantastic. I admire Nintendo's ambition to make the Wii a useful piece of electronics in the household outside of entertainment (unlike the competiton, which just provide more forms of entertainment outside gaming). I probably won't be using it for my regular news and weather updates, but I can see these things as another way of locking in the non-gamer. Hopefully the messaging and message boards take off and can become a trustworthy source of finding (and trash talking to) online opponents.
The region free news is truly a blessing. You KNOW Wii will have endless quirky games coming out of Japan that may never make it over here, so here's hoping third parties embrace this "feature" and allow us outsiders to enjoy the fun too.
Overall it looks like a satisfactory launch to my tastes. I doubt I'll be lining up at midnight to get one (never have, never had to) though. Strange the way it's panned out now however; 2007 is looking much brighter. Prime 3, Super Paper Mario, Pokemon Online, Super Mario Galaxy, and Smash Brawl all on the horizon, and those are just what we know about!
Post by: Kairon on September 14, 2006, 02:35:42 PM
-They have a pack-in game, but no second controller.
-They're cheaper than their competitors and a better value proposition (pack-in games and pack-in wi-fi ability), but they're not fanboi-hype cheap.
-They've delayed a couple first party games to just outside the 30-day launch window, but are sure to avoid a drought in the immediate future.
-They don't have major online support at launch, but Pokemon Wii is Online in Japan in 2006, and Wii will be internet capable out of box.
-They don't have any awesome hardware surprises, but they showed some awesome Apple-slick UIs and lifestyle channels.
-Their controllers are more expensive than anticipated, but they're also more fully featured compared to a 360 or PS3 controller.
-They're launching several days after the PS3, but will have an astounding 4 million units worldwide this year.
-The VC will be online right away and we'll get 10 new VC titles every month, but it sells at XBLA prices and the Classic controller ain't included.
-Nintendo has revealed so so so much but they're still hiding in-depth news on channels, functionality of Mii, full VC details, some pricing details, and exact dates on many games.
-Nintendo's Wii Holiday 2006 is far from perfect, but neither are MS's or Sony's offerings.
Especially when compared to their competitors (Sony especially), it's hard to connect any criticism of Wii in 2006 with any predictions of material harm to their objectives. Nintendo has disappointed in plenty of small ways, but these small things are counterbalanced such that its impossible to express any real criticism on them.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: trip1eX on September 14, 2006, 02:40:39 PM
I'm getting one. Can't wait to get my mitts on it. The bottom line reason to buy remains the Wiimote for me.
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 14, 2006, 02:41:09 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Kairon Especially when compared to their competitors (Sony especially), it's hard to connect any criticism of Wii in 2006 with any predictions of material harm to their objectives. Nintendo has disappointed in plenty of small ways, but these small things are counterbalanced such that its impossible to express any real criticism on them.
That's a good way of putting it. Yeah, most were expecting a bit better on date/price, but they're still way ahead of the game across the board.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 14, 2006, 02:41:39 PM
2. Price, even though I've come to accept it. After analyzing things a bit more there is more included than I originally thought with it, and if it does come with composite cables for 480p then that is even better. I am really interest in the UI, Mii channels and the ability to surf the web, upload pictures (I think they even said movies!) which you can edit, so that makes it alot easier to take down. With all that said though I think they could have at least included an extra Wiimote (heck even if it was just the remote and not the nunchuck) since Wiisports is meant to be multiplayer. Also I fear that price may hurt 3rd party sales a bit, I do hope I'm wrong
3. I love the region free (Isn't this the first time that a console is region free?) even if I don't utilize it. I like it for the marketing potential and a better way to further distinguish Wii from the competition.
4. The launch game lineup looks solid and I hope we see some quality 3rd party games that Wii buyers will actually buy
5. I don't mind the Wiimote and the nunchuck being sold separately, like someone in another thread said if one breaks you don't have to buy a whole new package (Maybe down the road they can have a combo package or the separate package). 60$ is not really that surprising because the Wiimote does have tons of technology in it and I am willing to bet it is much more complex than the 50$ Xbox 360 wireless controller
6. Don't mind the only color choice being white, I don't believe this will impact sales that much
7. The visuals are looking amazing in some games and some actually look next generation (maybe the hardware got a boost?)
8. VC games are priced about right, 5-10$ isn't bad at all and I know I'll be getting alot of games for it (better value for your money than the 360 live games!)
9. The packaging for the system looks so slick, I think this could encourage people to pick one up. It is sleek and futuristic looking, more so than Xbox 360's packaging
10. I think that is it about now.
Post by: mantidor on September 14, 2006, 02:46:14 PM
Post by: willie1234 on September 14, 2006, 02:48:15 PM
1). Date - this is actually great news for me. It shows a certain confidence in waiting to launch just after Sony. I think customers will pick up on this too.
2). Price - not great, not horrible. As others have said, if one thing was lower, for example, if 250 included game of choice, (or just $200 w/o game), or if the controllers came down a bit then this would look a lot more attractive. Virtual console games are borderline.
3). Release Games - BAD BAD BAD!!! I believe this is why nintendo pushed the date back as far as it did. Having metroid pushed back, no paper mario (probably), and having many games not ready on launch DAY is not confidence inspiring. With nintendos credibility pretty much gone when it comes to keeping dates, I have zero confidence that games not ready on launch day will be available soon after (before Christmas). I certainly would put any money behind that assumption.
4). Other - channel, Mii and these things look great. I'd like more information on Opera though, that would be a big plus if it was bundled.
Conclusion - After seeing the GameCube drought after launch and then the lack of suport/pushed back Zelda I am not ready to make an impulse Wii purchase on launch day as I did with the cube. Before the conference, I was 50/50 undecided depending on price and games.
I will not be buying any consoles this year, but will most likeley pick up the Wii eventually as I gain more confidence in the library. Nintendo might get a few bucks from me from Zelda GC if the reviews look good.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 14, 2006, 02:48:59 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Nintendo slid right into the spot where they can't be criticized, but can't be praised.
-They have a pack-in game, but no second controller.
-They're cheaper than their competitors and a better value proposition (pack-in games and pack-in wi-fi ability), but they're not fanboi-hype cheap.
-They've delayed a couple first party games to just outside the 30-day launch window, but are sure to avoid a drought in the immediate future.
-They don't have major online support at launch, but Pokemon Wii is Online in Japan in 2006, and Wii will be internet capable out of box.
-They don't have any awesome hardware surprises, but they showed some awesome Apple-slick UIs and lifestyle channels.
-Their controllers are more expensive than anticipated, but they're also more fully featured compared to a 360 or PS3 controller.
-They're launching several days after the PS3, but will have an astounding 4 million units worldwide this year.
-The VC will be online right away and we'll get 10 new VC titles every month, but it sells at XBLA prices and the Classic controller ain't included.
-Nintendo has revealed so so so much but they're still hiding in-depth news on channels, functionality of Mii, full VC details, some pricing details, and exact dates on many games.
-Nintendo's Wii Holiday 2006 is far from perfect, but neither are MS's or Sony's offerings.
Especially when compared to their competitors (Sony especially), it's hard to connect any criticism of Wii in 2006 with any predictions of material harm to their objectives. Nintendo has disappointed in plenty of small ways, but these small things are counterbalanced such that its impossible to express any real criticism on them.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Wow, I think that out of everyone that has analized the recent news, you did the best job.
I agree that Nintendo has neither destroyed their launch, but is far from perfection.
Post by: Khushrenada on September 14, 2006, 03:06:54 PM
1. No black console at launch. It may seem trivial but I've been wanting that darned black Revolution since they showed it at E3 05. For a long time, Nintendo has even said that the two launch colors will be black and white. Suddenly it's just white. My whole electronics set (tv, surround sound and stand) are black. I don't want a white system that sticks out like that. It's the same reason I haven't been tempted to get a DS Lite. It's just been the white color. That's probably why they're only releasing white. Since there's a huge amount of white DS Lites sold, they'll match the most with their console. Still, if you look at Nintendo's website, they have a poll of what color DS Lite you want and Onyx is rocking with 63%, White is second at 26% and pink third with 11%. Give me the Black console.
2. Still, I might have changed my mind if Nintendo had one Wii game I really wanted at launch. Excite Truck looks all right but its a rental first to me. Zelda is not that game either. I might be one of the few who isn't buying it. Metroid delay was expected, thought I hoped against it. Same with Mario Galaxy. But I figured Galaxy would be delayed since they were moving Paper Mario over to Wii and it might launch first. But nope. That game has also been delayed. I guess it wasn't as developed as it seemed. Heck, I'd settle for Wario Ware but I don't see that either. And forget the third parties. When it comes to third parties I rent first. The only one I might buy is the Sonic game. It really does look like it could be the answer to 3D Sonic. And where is that Miyamoto IP? I'd even taken. So, no. Zelda won't cut it for me.
Now, what did I think of everything else.
I for one am glad they're bundling Wii Sports. I hope it's bundled with the Black Wii when it comes out.
I also think Nintendo's online strategy is awesome. I really didn't expect this much stuff. I thought it would be bare boned like the DS. It's some of the most positive news of the day.
The price is not an issue. I've had money stored away for a long time. The controller thing isn't a biggie either. I'll buy some extras slowly over a few months.
The virtual console had some good and bad. The idea of always expanding is good. Heck, they may yet add old gameboy games on it too in the future. The price of 64 games was nice and reasonable to me. I think they had been rumored at 16 to 20 dollars before. SNES stayed at the same price range that has been suggested for a while. NES is way overpriced. Frankly, I don't even find NES games that appealing, so I probably won't get any.
Still, in the end, I think I'll skip the launch for two reasons. No black console. No big game besides Zelda.
Post by: NintendoTrekker18 on September 14, 2006, 03:39:50 PM
Positives:
* The price. With a game (five if you want to get technical), controller, controller accessory, sensor bar, compsoite/component cable, batteries and out-of-the-box channel service, this is still more than half the price of the "upper crust" PS3 bundle. The PS3 games--which will probably be $60 plus will push a single-player adopter well above $650 once tax has its way. A $249.99 w/ Game is solid. And, complete compatibility with all GameCube software and hardware out of the box.
* The channel service. Nice, and unexpected. I have to say that as a weather enthuiast, I like the idea of looking at weather maps on my Nintendo console. The customizing avatars and solid, clean organization of the varying channels is nice too.
* Ever-Growing Virtual Console Support - Sonic the Hedgehog, Mario, and Donkey Kong were mentioned and more than 30 games should make a wide variety of people happy. And, another console--one I've never heard of--MSX or MCX--was added into the fray.
*Games. The games for Wii look great. Not only WiiSports, but also Sonic and the Secret Rings, Super Mario Galaxy, Pokemon Battle Revolution and some of the others have caught my eye like Big Brain Academy, Cooking Mama, and Wings Island.
Negatives:
* No DVD playback. Not really a HUGE hit, because I have an excellent DVD recorder, but a slight disappointment nonetheless.
* Super Paper Mario, wherefore art thou? :P
* Slightly high accessory prices--but still better than the expensive X-Box 360 controller.
All in all, my mind has not changed. I'll be pre-ordering a Wii as soon as possible. Wii are the champions? You bet!
Post by: Karl Castaneda #2 on September 14, 2006, 04:02:01 PM
- The price. It's funny. If Nintendo stuck another Wiimote+Nunchaku in there, I'd be all over it as the greatest package ever. Combined with the multi-heavy Wii Sports, it'd be a genius move. It'd also help out music devs out there looking to make rhythm games. But that's not the case, so I might as well get my head out of Fantasy Land. Is $249 a scam price? Meh. Every next-gen console is a scam on its own scale. At least Nintendo's is a little more economy-friendly. $60 for a servicable controller set-up is pretty bad, though, and is easily the low-point of the entire day. Here's hoping for a cheap third party knock-off shortly after launch. But the other stuff isn't so badl. And the games are actually starting to look better, so it's somewhat justifiable. Somewhat. Too bad they'll be hitting their ceiling in another couple years (while the PS3 and Xbox 360 explode with graphical ability), but it's something I came to terms with a while ago. Go Wii60 (when cash permits)!
-Games. Well, this part is great news for the most part. I've heard rumblings of Fire Emblem coming out as soon as Spring 2007, which makes me happer than you'll ever know (Path of Radiance has turned me into a fan). Also, RE: Umbrella Chronicles sounds HAWT from the rumors - let's hope they're true (I'll expand on this if asked). Pokemon being online is rather nice as well - too bad it's not a U.S. launch game, but it couldn't be too far off. The third party selection is actually pretty well-crafted - there's something for everybody. Splinter Cell, Red Steel, Far Cry, Budokai Tenkaichi 2 (Shut up! I have hope!), Elebits, Rayman, and the list goes on. It kind of reminds me of the DS's breakout last year. Good times.
-Extras like Mii and photos and such. Eh, I could care less. Aside from making your own avatar, it seems like an Apple knock-off. That's peachy for some people, but if I wanted something along those lines, I'd power up my MacBook - Weather and News Widgets are probably faster. I'm a little confused on the whole Opera sitaution, so I'll leave that up for judgement later.
-On the whole. If I've got the cash ready, I'll get one at launch, sure.
Post by: Nick DiMola on September 14, 2006, 04:23:23 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Kairon
Nintendo slid right into the spot where they can't be criticized, but can't be praised.
-They have a pack-in game, but no second controller.
-They're cheaper than their competitors and a better value proposition (pack-in games and pack-in wi-fi ability), but they're not fanboi-hype cheap.
-They've delayed a couple first party games to just outside the 30-day launch window, but are sure to avoid a drought in the immediate future.
-They don't have major online support at launch, but Pokemon Wii is Online in Japan in 2006, and Wii will be internet capable out of box.
-They don't have any awesome hardware surprises, but they showed some awesome Apple-slick UIs and lifestyle channels.
-Their controllers are more expensive than anticipated, but they're also more fully featured compared to a 360 or PS3 controller.
-They're launching several days after the PS3, but will have an astounding 4 million units worldwide this year.
-The VC will be online right away and we'll get 10 new VC titles every month, but it sells at XBLA prices and the Classic controller ain't included.
-Nintendo has revealed so so so much but they're still hiding in-depth news on channels, functionality of Mii, full VC details, some pricing details, and exact dates on many games.
-Nintendo's Wii Holiday 2006 is far from perfect, but neither are MS's or Sony's offerings.
Especially when compared to their competitors (Sony especially), it's hard to connect any criticism of Wii in 2006 with any predictions of material harm to their objectives. Nintendo has disappointed in plenty of small ways, but these small things are counterbalanced such that its impossible to express any real criticism on them.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
QFT. I agree with everything said here. Just to expand a little, after thinking about it more, launching post-PS3 is genious. Nintendo fully realizes there will be jack squat on the shelves as far as a PS3 goes. So all those parents going to buy PS3's will probably end up with a Wii instead. The price after thinking more in understandable and nowhere near the range of unacceptable. Some of the game delays are frustrating but with the new price, I doubt I will be buying anything more than Zelda, Red Steel and Excite Truck. As far as some of the criticism goes with WiiSports, I think it's unfounded and a little melodramatic. For Nintendo to reach their target market they need a demonstration, adding some cost to the bundle isn't putting the console out of the affordable range and will most likely gross Nintendo quite a few more dollars in the end of all of it. They need people who don't understand Wii to get it with the simplest of games, just like Super Mario Bros. did with the NES. All in all Nintendo has done a really solid job on the Wii presentation and I think they are still positioned to grab a ton of market share this generation.
Post by: jasonditz on September 14, 2006, 04:48:02 PM
1. Price was the most it could've possibly been
2. Launch date was the latest it could've possibly been
3. The VC is more expensive and features fewer games than I'd have possibly imagined
and most importantly
4. The launch lineup is looking worse and worse.
MP is pushed back, SSB is pushed back, Mario is pushed back. They released a list of third party launch window titles for the US today and all the Square Enix titles are conspicuously absent. Namco isn't on the list either. The third party lineup is wide as an ocean but shallow as a puddle. Sure, Red Steel... but everything else is either Wiimote enabled remakes of franchise titles I didn't buy the last time and animated movie tie-ins.
My big concern is that third parties have not figured out anything compelling to do with the wiimote and are just investing some "just in case" money to have an established presence. While I still think the idea has promise and it'll eventually amount to something, I have a hard time justifying buying a brand new console for one game that was originally supposed to be released for the last console.
Winning me back into the pre-order camp is out of Nintendo's hands now. If Dragon Quest doesn't find its way back into launch title status, or some compelling Namco RPG, I'm not considering it any longer. With my Gamecube broken, I'm basically left with my DS and my PS2... and that's what Wii is going to have to compete with for my dollars, and they're just not doing it so far.
Post by: Viewtiful mario on September 14, 2006, 05:19:24 PM
Why dose it seem like everyone here on planet WHINEcube seems so upset about today's event. So many of you people are so disappointed it's crazy, and what hurts even more is that you don't have a real reason to complain so I'll give my 2 cence about the Launch announcements.
1. the price: Nintendo stated that the concol won't be higher than $250 so why is this so unexpected. Nintendo didn't break any proemeses, they gave you just what they said they would. Did you all already forget about the "599 US dollars PS3 deal?" And if your upset because it's only 50$ less than the Xbox 360 core model do you think anyone who really wants the xbox 360 will get the core model? Anyone who actually got it only did because there were out of the regular model.
Then you keep bitchen that it doesn't come with a second controller therefore it's a rip off but I say it doesn't matter, if you've been paying close attention not every game in wii sports has each person using there own controller. Games like bowling and golf have you pass the controller to one another so you can still play multiplayer. And about Wii sports being packedged with the system without letting you choose what game you want or not but remember: you haven't played the game yet. It seems there were no negative responses from the E3 demo and everyone walked away smiling, WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!! It's something you have to experience for yorself to judge, gameplay videos don't cut it. One last thing about the price,I guess it's the media's fault for getting our hopes up at pricing the system at unreasonable prices like $150 or $170 but don't forget it's still the cheapest console on the market.
2.The controller price: What did you expect, obviously the controller is a lot more high tech then any other working controller so obviously it's going to cost more. And about the nunchuck being sold separately: not every game will use it, it's so we have a choice wether we want a Wiimote + Nunchuck or if we want the Wiimote by itself. It's the gift of choice. I will admit that this part of the argument is the weakest but I stand by the first sentence.
3. The launch titles: first everyone is SO happy that the Wii will have 30 launch titles and it mey mark the best launch in history. Then MP 3 gets delayed and suddenly everything else sucks. Have you already forgotten about LOZelda, red steel (which is shaping up great) Sonic ATSOTR, excite truck, Rayman, farcry, (inhale) splinter cell, dragon quest, a new and improved madden, Tony hawk and marvel UA (which had a lot of work put into the Wii version) <weezez> I'm sure there's more. The point is if Zelda has taught us anything it's that A delay makes a game better, you you should be happy about this.
I kow I must sound like a ranting fanboy but with all the complaints on this site from Zelda control to the the vertual concole prices, to lack of a showing at PAX, to lack of online support nt the beginning of the lounch cycle, to release date to IAN!!!!!!! I just couldn't stand not saying something.
Post by: iMoron on September 14, 2006, 05:26:13 PM
Wii wiin!
Post by: IceCold on September 14, 2006, 05:32:58 PM
QuoteUh, we already knew that Mario and SSB would be in 2007..
MP is pushed back, SSB is pushed back, Mario is pushed back.
Post by: TerribleOne on September 14, 2006, 05:36:05 PM
Like it or not, it's very obvious the price announcement knocked Nintendo off it's high wave of publicity and momentum it had gained recently. Look around the internet, which represent a good portion of the video game "hardcore crowd", and you'll see people have gone from "i'm gettin it at launch", or "yes!! 360 and wii beats ps3" or "my ps3 and wii is all i need" to alot of doubt in gettin 2 systems or the wii in itself. I seriously believe this 1-Day event messed up Nintendo more than helped puttin the final nail in the Wii domination coffin.
The thing is that alot of people dont think that the Wii is truly next gen and the technology being old and admittedly inferior, already shouldnt even be close to $250 (lets not mention the glorified tech demo called wii sport). Perhaps it was the fact that Nintendo constantly drove the point home of the Wii being a "complimentary inexpensive system" that threw everyone off but i'm pretty positive September 14 was not as helpful
Post by: WhoDey on September 14, 2006, 05:50:48 PM
I guess I wouldn't be so disappointed with it had Nintendo had not given false expectations. All we heard is how great a price point it would be and how it was going to grab the non gamers as well as the gamers. For $350, which by the time you pick up a game and an extra controller is what you are going to be paying, there is no way non gamers are going to pick this up on an impulse buy. I was fully expecting the price to be around $179, or $199 worst case. Does anyone else think Nintendo may have intended this to be the price but then tacked on an extra $50 when they saw the price of the PS3? I get that feeling. This is the most expensive Nintendo console to date if I'm not mistaken. Weren't all the others $200?
I guess it's nice to get a pack in game but it almost feels like you are getting a game like solitaire that comes with your PC. This certainly isn't a free Mario game. I would gladly let Nintendo keep this one if it knocked $30-$50 off the price.
On a personal level, it's hard for me to get excited about all the the WiiConnect features when I know I won't be participating (stuck on dial up). But that's not Nintendo's fault. Will there be options available to those of us without access to this to download games, like maybe through EB or something?
Finally, what is with Nintendo make the GCN owners wait an extra 2 or 3 weeks for Zelda?
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 14, 2006, 05:58:58 PM
Oh, and "hardcore gamers" all around the internet are completely underestimating the power of a bundled-in game...I've spoken to a few casual gamer friends and they think 250 with a free game is a good deal...FREE STUFF makes a slightly expensive price that much easier to swallow...
Post by: IceCold on September 14, 2006, 06:00:23 PM
QuoteSo that the Wii version will sell systems - they are only releasing the Cube version in there to keep their promise. They'll keep the Cube one very low-profile so that people buy a Wii with the Zelda version before they even know a Cube one exists..
Finally, what is with Nintendo make the GCN owners wait an extra 2 or 3 weeks for Zelda?
Post by: zakkiel on September 14, 2006, 06:00:53 PM
Post by: TerribleOne on September 14, 2006, 06:14:07 PM
we need the casual gamers, like it or not... because drones make a system a whole lot better I.E. people buying so many ps2 to this day and it bein the reason so many third parties support it so much... oh yea i'm sorry but i hate wiisport... it looks so dumb
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 14, 2006, 06:16:43 PM
I'm pretty sure that by next week everyone will have moved on and continue talking about Wii until the next big issue arrives.
The ones that seem affected the most are the uber hard core fans, the ones that literally spend 500 + dollars on a system launch, since they are forced to cut down on their expenses. I think the one that benefits the most are the casual, light consumers since an included game will appeal to them.
Also like I already mentioned in another thread, if naming the system the Wii did not kill the hype, which everyone and their grandmother said they would, I doubt the price and Wii sports will.
Post by: SixthAngel on September 14, 2006, 06:22:47 PM
I am far more excited now that they have released more videos and screenshots and the channel information. I didn't see a single negative thing in the article except the fact that the Wii is not launching tomorrow and I want it now.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 14, 2006, 06:28:10 PM
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Originally posted by: SixthAngel
Viewtiful mario said everything I wanted to.
I am far more excited now that they have released more videos and screenshots and the channel information. I didn't see a single negative thing in the article except the fact that the Wii is not launching tomorrow and I want it now.
I've been blown away by some of the gameplay footage, I personally can't wait to get ahold of the Wii, even if I feel Nintendo may have hurt themselves.
Post by: IceCold on September 14, 2006, 06:29:44 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 14, 2006, 06:29:48 PM
If I'm gonna bottom line it, I'd say the last 2 days were more exciting than E3 for me. Simply because I like having facts and tangible information. Videos, screens, etc. Not just PR and "Ooh Ahh imagine if." My tank of Nintendo pixie dust sorta ran out about 2 years ago. They've not been consistent in their statements and actions, so it's worn on me during GCN's life. I guess it's good that they've built such a high standard for themselves over the years, but they also need to remember that that holds a lot of responsibility as well.
As others mentioned, it's not a perfect launch. There is some sticker shock. Nintendo's suggestions to "look at their past" teased us to think about a $199 or close launch price. So that wasn't a "good" surprise.
The controller pricing is also pretty touchy. I get their ideas about expanding the market, but they too are now increasing prices for the system and the controllers, which goes against the cause. I understand the controllers are more complex than the "dumb" ones of the past, but when the goal is to expand the market and bring more of the family to the living room television, that means selling us 4 of them. But I'm not forking over another $180 for controllers, guys. And even most people here, the hardcores that are most likely to do so, don't seem too thrilled about the idea either.
Those things aside, I'm pretty happy with most everything else.
The date doesn't bother me. Beating PS3 to market is not that important when we are dealing with days and/or weeks here. Nintendo has made it abundantly clear that hardcores are not their primary interest. (That's why I've adopted Wii60.) Our moms don't give a crap about that. They're not going to get a PS3 regardless.
The Wii Channels are pretty cool. I like how they are using these types of features as a bridge to gaming for the other folks in the house. The GUI itself is pretty nice too. There is a ton of room for growth here, too (adding more features, that is.)
I'm fairly content with the launch games. I don't have a very diverse taste in games as many people here do. But since Zelda alone is going to keep me occupied for a while, maybe that's influencing my feelings there. 15 launch games, on paper, sounds solid to me anyway. Though they may not all be that great.
VC games... 30 to start and 10 a month for the next year sounds pretty darn good to me. Hopefully they will offer free points based on actual game/accessory purchases as well, so we can juice up without having to pay for every last title. As content owners, I understand their desire to profit from their games, but they should also remember that the ultimate goal should be that VC games sell Wii's, not the other way around. So THROW THE POINTS AROUND GENEROUSLY.
Online gaming... Well they certainly take their time on some of these things don't they, but I agree with their basic principal. Use online gaming as a selling point for software, not as a product itself.
DVD playback... Meh, wasn't going to buy the accessory, but this is a lingering perception issue. Going the extra half mile would not have broken anybody's bank.
Overall good, but Kairon said it best. No deal-breakers here, but no slam dunk or touchdown or whatever metaphor you want.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 14, 2006, 06:42:10 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
You know pap, you're probably right.. It's unfortunate that a few of our members won't be getting one at launch, but I'm confident that this will blow over when we all come to terms with it.. It really isn't that bad, either; just not what we're expecting. The games more than justify the price - those new videos are awesome!
I'm sure that even those that have said that they will not be getting a Wii at launch, whether because they are angry or because they don't have the money, will sooner or later give in. You know about the Nintendo virus S_B has been talking for a while now, right? I'm sure it will just go stronger when the launch approaches.
Hell, even those that said that they will NOT buy a Wii because the name was retarded or lost all hope on Nintendo because of the name went back the minute they showed off the games and good press surrounded the system.
Like I said, this is all shock because it is a big news event. I'm sure that by next weekend things have cooled down. If the Wii name debate cooled down eventually, I'm sure this price debacle will.
Post by: Chode2234 on September 14, 2006, 06:51:46 PM
Post by: KirbySStar on September 14, 2006, 07:06:01 PM
Oh the Virtual Console. It's pure profit even if they sell all the games for just one dollar. 5 dollars for an NES game is extortion. With the price they have set up I don't think they'll be getting as many sales as they think they will. They'd be raking in a lot more cash for 1 dollar for NES games, 3 dollars for SNES games, and 5 dollars for N64 games. Given the illusion for cheap prices people are more likely to go spend crazy and Nintendo will get more money as a result; money which again is pure profit. Nintendo is just being greedy with current prices and I think it'll likely bring down sales but no matter since it's all profit to them. I as a consumer am just disappointed because I won't be buying as many games on the Virtual Console as I'd like.
I'm actually fine with the launch line up because as it was there were too many good games at launch. Many that would've have overwhelmed other games. I'm sure Ubisoft is very appreciative of the Metroid Prime 3 delay. I imagine Red Steel will sell many more copies now. Oh and I'm very happy about region-free. I sincerely hope no third party is retarded enough to actually region their games since it is an option. Likewise I hope they also follow Nintendo's lead and price their games at no more than 50 dollars.
If Nintendo plans to release 4 million Wiis across the US this year how would it hurt to start earlier than PS3's release date? They'll obviously have stores stocked no matter what so the "oh PS3 buyers will turn to Wii after not finding PS3 in stock" argument is rendered null since the stock will be available if they're stock piling this stuff. They have to be if they have 4 million of them. Oh and if they can produce that many white Wiis it can't be that hard to have black Wiis too. According to most polls the black version is what most people want. Unfortunately just like Gamecube they've decided to make their flagship system the color that most people didn't want. At least this time it isn't purple but last time we at least had the option of choosing black. If you can somehow transfer or redownload Virtual Console games you've already purchased to a new system I might buy a black Wii when it comes out and sell my white Wii. Let's just say the white Wii had an "accident".
Separately sold controller parts are a crime to both consumers and developers if it's the only option. I'm fine if the classic controller is sold separately but the pointer and nunchuck parts should be sold together for no more than 50 dollars. If you need a part replaced then I can see them charging those separate prices. This would be good for an online store I bet. Speaking of online they better not making component cables an online store only again. I want to use component cables on day one so I better be able to get them retail.
No one would be complaining if the following case was true:
1x Wii Console
1x Sensor bar
1x Wii stand
1x AC adaptor
1x AV cable (composite)
2x Wii Controllers (with two AAA batteries)
2x Nunchuck attachments
1x Classic Controller attachment
1x Wii Sports
1x Wii Demo Disc
5x Virtual Console downloads
Cost: $250
Virtual Console Prices:
$1 - NES games
$3 - SNES games
$5 - N64 games
Controller packages:
$50 - Wii Controller and Nunchuck attachment bundle
$40 - Wii Controller separately
$20 - Nunchuck attachment separately
$20 - Classic Controller (comes with 1 free Virtual Console download)
Nintendo also needs to have a rewards program. My recommendation is to have 1 or 2 free Virtual Console downloads with every Wii game purchase (that means all Wii game purchases including 3rd party. Nintendo still needs to figure out that they need to reward consumers for supporting them. If they can do that then they'll have this generation won right at the start.
I'll be getting a Wii no matter what. Just don't expect me to not say my piece on how Nintendo could be doing this better. Everyone would be rejoicing if this was the reality.
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 14, 2006, 07:14:54 PM
•No DVD playback hurts: I figured since Wii was coming sooner than later, I could hold off on buying a new DVD player for my living room....but now.
•Price is high: Wii sports looks great but I would have liked to choose my own game since it seems that's were my $50 went
•Date is OK: Even though they have been sucking Apple's nectar for a while, the whole "Show you today, buy it tomorrow" plan I guess wouldn't work.
(Poster's note: Zelda is the reason for the late launch date. If Zelda was ready then they would have shipped much sooner.)
•Graphics are better:
•VC prices just A bit high:
I must admit that I feel a little underwhelmed by this but Okami and the DS will make everything better.
Post by: Caliban on September 14, 2006, 07:25:06 PM
-0.1 for not having an Onyx Wii for launch, and another -0.1 for delaying MP3 into 2007.
That GUI looks freaktastic.
It has such a quirkyness that it is just inescapable to not look at it, in fact I'm addicted to the Wii GUI.
Really I was watching this vid and I all of a sudden I lost my focus and coudn't detract from those oh so enjoyable bleeps and blops and fluidity between and within channels.
The date, oh the date, oh well, what can I do?! 2 Months ain't too bad, it just gives me more time to accumulate more cash to spend.
Post by: wandering on September 14, 2006, 07:36:16 PM
It's not a bad launch date, either. Really, nothing terrible going on here. Silly to think Nintendo would struggle to get the console out as early and as cheap as possible to satisfy whiners on the internet.
Some of the new media has been amazing. The new interface is amazing.
I was really, unfortunately, looking forward to DVD playback. And black. Oh well. I also think the controller pricing (and splitting the wiimote and nunchaku) is a bit insane.
Overall though, I'm more excited about the console today than I was a week ago. November 19th can't come soon enough.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 14, 2006, 07:38:03 PM
Thank you all for writing your thoughts. This has been an informative thread.
To sum up my thoughts. Bill, I don't think $249.99 is too much...I think it was just shocking to many. I still think we are getting a great deal, and bundling a game is hugely important. I hate spending money and NOT being able to use what I buy. If you spend any money on a system you should be able to play it out of the box. Nintendo remembered that and gave us a system that casual gamers and non gamers can buy one single product and have fun...later they can buy more stuff.
Most of the pricing is fine. We knew that the controllers would be expensive, and they should be at about what we expect. The launch lineup doesn't have many first party games, but it is still strong.
Finally, Nintendo may have announced everything today, but don't think it still can't change. If Nintendo feels it is getting bad press they can easily announce a free controller with the purchase of the system...or include a discount for half priced controller.
This day should be more of a day of celebration instead od disappointment...and yet that is all we are doing.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2006, 08:03:29 PM
Why can't you just release the damn thing in BLACK!!!!! I do not want to own a white Wii... I want it to match my new BLACK DS!!
Post by: wandering on September 14, 2006, 08:07:32 PM
Post by: jasonditz on September 14, 2006, 08:23:57 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteUh, we already knew that Mario and SSB would be in 2007..
MP is pushed back, SSB is pushed back, Mario is pushed back.
SSB was originally promised as a launch title, now it's not even on the "launch window list", which covers everything through Q1 of 2007. We went from MP3, SSBO, Zelda TP, and two Square Enix titles to Zelda, Ice Age 2, and Cars. I know that's a bit of an exaggeration but what looked to be one of the strongest launch lineups ever is starting to look damned shallow. What are they, sandbagging here? Zelda's a great lead, but I find it awfully hard to get excited about anything else. I don't want Super Off Road rebranded under the Excitebike franchise, I don't want games based on movies I wouldn't watch if you paid me, I don't want Tom Clancy's latest "shoot non-specific Eastern European guys" thriller.
Nintendo's done a great job selling me on the idea that the games are what ultimately matter. The big problem is that since then, we've seen precious few really great games out of them.
It's perhaps the worst thing about being a Nintendo fan these days. There are always great games, amazing games, just over the horizon, all we have to do is wait. Well I don't know about you guys, but I'm starting to feel like we're Vladimir and Estragon, and maybe the wait is really all that's being offered here after all. I'm just not sure that's enough for me anymore.
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 14, 2006, 08:28:34 PM
Post by: jasonditz on September 14, 2006, 08:55:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Athrun Zala
um, we knew since E3 that SSBB would be a late 2007 title.....
Um, I know that.
I also remember that it was originally promised as a launch title.
Honestly guys, I'm not making this stuff up.
Post by: Kairon on September 14, 2006, 09:19:53 PM
Satoru Iwata has just injected a little bit of realism and business-style LYING into a company that needed business sense. Blame him, credit him, but he's credited with turning Nintendo around with the DS and the hype behind the Wii concept.
As for waiting, Jason, you're just suffering the residual effects of the GameCube era. Nintendo's GC games... were not their best. They were weakened in terms of polish and restricted in terms of creative horizons. They were rushed at times, too.
But that was a Nintendo in a transition period, and as a Nintendo fan I realized this because I studied their corporate goings on. That's why I'm not worried about the future, because I feel that the atmosphere at Nintendo now is very energized and the promise of creativity and polish has been renewed.
Now Nintendo has a vision and it has momentum. Nintendo has significant third-party support, and they've targeted a plethora of 1st party games near and after launch: Zelda, Wii Sports and Excite Truck at Launch, Metroid 3 one or two months after, Pokemon Wii (online!!!) 2-4 months after, BWii and Strikers Charged 4-7 months after, Mario Galaxy 5-9 months after, tons of other stuff (Big Brain Academy, Diving Game, Wii Music, etc.), and then there's a bevy of third party games to look forward to at and after launch(Sonic, Rayman, Red Steel, assorted less-blockbuster titles like Bomberman, Harvest Moon, MK:A, etc.), all leading up to Super Smash Bros. in Fall 2007.
This coming year will probably be one of the most amazing years Nintendo has had for a long time. I can understand the feeling of waiting you're getting, but instead of merely expecting past trends to continue, an examination of the coming line-up from Nintendo should have a rejuvenating and eye-opening effect for any Nintendo fan.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: jasonditz on September 14, 2006, 09:45:03 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 14, 2006, 09:59:01 PM
D, Sunshine and Zelda, by I already got the sense that Nintendo was not at the top of its game.But Zelda: TP AND Mario Galaxy within 6-8 months of each other?!?!?! Call me optimistic, but I anticipate a turning point.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: thejeek on September 14, 2006, 10:10:04 PM
EDIT: I've had it. I'm not buying one until it costs me no more than it costs people in the US and Japan.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 14, 2006, 11:14:38 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
*sigh* I guess my single response thread is already out.
Thank you all for writing your thoughts. This has been an informative thread.
To sum up my thoughts. Bill, I don't think $249.99 is too much...I think it was just shocking to many. I still think we are getting a great deal, and bundling a game is hugely important. I hate spending money and NOT being able to use what I buy. If you spend any money on a system you should be able to play it out of the box. Nintendo remembered that and gave us a system that casual gamers and non gamers can buy one single product and have fun...later they can buy more stuff.
Most of the pricing is fine. We knew that the controllers would be expensive, and they should be at about what we expect. The launch lineup doesn't have many first party games, but it is still strong.
Finally, Nintendo may have announced everything today, but don't think it still can't change. If Nintendo feels it is getting bad press they can easily announce a free controller with the purchase of the system...or include a discount for half priced controller.
This day should be more of a day of celebration instead od disappointment...and yet that is all we are doing.
Well I've come to terms with the price, at first I was quite upset (as you probaly could see from my posts) but I've begun to realize it is worth it. I guess all along my biggest concern was how this would impact sales of Wii after launch but really I still think the PS3 is way too overpriced leaving only the Xbox 360 as a system to worry about. But since Wii is changing the way games are played that could also help Wii alot even at 250$, it is still possible people may see it as the TRUE next generation console, and not some updated console with better graphics.
Post by: Adrock on September 14, 2006, 11:15:30 PM
2. Nintendo should at least entertain the possibility of a bundle that includes the freehand controller, analog stick, and classic controller for like $60. You need those 3 pieces to play like 99% of Wii's titles. That's a fair price.
3. The freehand controller is the main unit, designed around attracting grandpa and little Suzi. The price tag of the remote itself seems to do the exact opposite, even to Nintendo fans.
4. How would cutting DVD playback help "deliver the machine at a cheaper cost" if it was released as an add-on like we all expected? True, most households have a DVD player. However, most people don't. I wanted one for my room without settling for a cheap-o DVD player made by Xyvlecziqui. Let Panasonic release it independently if paying for the DVD license was so financially crippling fr Nintendo. Don't get me wrong. DVD playback isn't a necessity, but should be available. It's an extra that I'd gladly pay for. I'm still trying to figure out why I can view photos on Wii but I can't watch movies.
5. Metroid Prime 3 getting delayed was a major deciding factor.
Basically, the launch announcements were almost exclusively "bad" news. I use quotes because it's subjective. Personally, I wasn't upset, just letdown for lack of a better word. It depends on how you see it and the pros/cons. Ultimately, it didn't make me want Wii less. In other words, I still know I'm getting it but the news enough to make me feel comfortable waiting until year to get one.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 15, 2006, 04:49:50 AM
If the Japanese launch and Europe launch is any indication we should have Wario Ware Smooth Moves in December, perhaps we will get another Nintendo game before the end of the year.
I actually think Nintendo is try to have a new Wii Nintendo game launched each month for the first year...or close to each month. That is important and would make a huge impact on Wii software.
Finally, I am tired of the comment this is Gamecube hardware. NO IT ISN'T. This is a brand new chipset. It was designed to be low energy, and it has cost Nintendo much money in R&D. This system is also 2-3 times more powerful than the Gamecube. It used to be 2-3 times was the normal jump in console enhancements, but Microsoft and Sony both did something crazy, and now Nintendo fans are calling foul.
Post by: Aussiedude on September 15, 2006, 05:02:43 AM
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Originally posted by: thejeek
Wii - Europe - shafted again, as usual...
EDIT: I've had it. I'm not buying one until it costs me no more than it costs people in the US and Japan.
Exactly how I feel; willing to pay the extra for th console, but DOUBLE for the controllers WTF
Post by: JonLeung on September 15, 2006, 05:10:49 AM
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Originally posted by: KirbySStar
Speaking of online they better not making component cables an online store only again. I want to use component cables on day one so I better be able to get them retail.
As do I, but I believe the official site says the Wii comes with an all-in-one cable that includes component output. At least I seem to recall it did. If so, thank goodness. I wouldn't want my Wii games to look worse than my GameCube games, even on day one.
EDIT: Found it.
Here it says, if you scroll down to input/oputput, it says "Output: an AV Multi-output port for component, composite or S-video". At least it confirms it can handle it, but I guess it must've been elsewhere that I read said cable was included.
Post by: TerribleOne on September 15, 2006, 05:25:19 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Finally, I am tired of the comment this is Gamecube hardware. NO IT ISN'T. This is a brand new chipset. It was designed to be low energy, and it has cost Nintendo much money in R&D. This system is also 2-3 times more powerful than the Gamecube. It used to be 2-3 times was the normal jump in console enhancements, but Microsoft and Sony both did something crazy, and now Nintendo fans are calling foul.
Mehhh.... I don't know man.. i get the feeling like Nintendo is on a money makin mission lately. Even if they spent money on R&D i don't think anyone can deny that the chipset is a couple of years old. This is all rather odd, since Nintendo is worth billions and billions I think for 250 we should be gettin more than "2-3" times. Remember this is supposed to last us until 2012 and beyond. It must be very interesting to see how they come up with these corporate decisions.
Post by: zakkiel on September 15, 2006, 05:30:52 AM
QuoteBy whom? I remember a lot of people hoping and assuming it would be a launch title, but I don't remember Nintendo ever confirming that. Maybe it's just been too long.
I also remember that it was originally promised as a launch title.
Post by: jasonditz on September 15, 2006, 05:41:07 AM
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Originally posted by: zakkielQuoteBy whom? I remember a lot of people hoping and assuming it would be a launch title, but I don't remember Nintendo ever confirming that. Maybe it's just been too long.
I also remember that it was originally promised as a launch title.
Satoru Iwata.
Post by: wandering on September 15, 2006, 05:41:19 AM
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By whom?
Iwata. Around the time he revealed the Revolution to the world.
edit: beaten.
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i get the feeling like Nintendo is on a money makin mission lately.
What? You must be mistaken. I'm pretty sure Nintendo is a not-for-profit charity.
Post by: jasonditz on September 15, 2006, 06:11:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I wonder how long these delays are...or how long we have to wait for another Nintendo published game.
If the Japanese launch and Europe launch is any indication we should have Wario Ware Smooth Moves in December, perhaps we will get another Nintendo game before the end of the year.
I actually think Nintendo is try to have a new Wii Nintendo game launched each month for the first year...or close to each month. That is important and would make a huge impact on Wii software.
That's a pretty plausible theory. It'd be great going forward if they can pull it off.
But then I think to myself, are they timing the development for that, or are they holding back finished games just so they'll have something to put on the cover on Nintendo Power every month?
Post by: SixthAngel on September 15, 2006, 06:56:47 AM
I've been saying this for a while and at the risk of starting everyone up again I'll say it. The classic controller will not be used for new games but is just for the virtual console. Nintendo went with a single input device standard as not to confuse customers and because the new remote is the reason to buy Wii. All games should and are going to be playable with the remote nunchuk combo (don't worry SSBB will work on both). Nintendo is saying our way is the best loud and clear just like they need to.
Post by: jasonditz on September 15, 2006, 07:10:20 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 15, 2006, 07:15:16 AM
Price - Not bad, but certainly not a bargain. Can't help but feel like Nintendo's taking advantage of PS3 and Xbork 360's high prices.
Controller price - Kind of high, although I don't think it's really unfair. Splitting the controller up is just a ploy to hide the real cost to fans - even Wii sports uses the nunchuck (boxing).
Launch date - I'm not sure why Nintendo has to wait so long. If the company has 4 million units this year, could it not launch a few weeks earlier? It's not the end of the world, but it seems like Nintendo is getting a little too comfy.
Game lineup - The loss of Metroid is disappointing, but the addition of more sports to Wii sports is awesome. 2007 looks amazing! I'm willing to bet that Metroid or Mario Galaxy will be delayed even further, but with something like 6 games in early 2007 Wii looks great, whereas GameCube and DS had very long and very slow new years after launch.
Channels - Kind of fluffy, but after I checked out some videos I was pretty impressed. Nice interfaces, and the more I look at them, the more I'm interested in them. Nintendo may actually be beating Sony and Microsoft at their own "PWN the livingroom!" game. Too bad it doesn't seem like it will even play DVD's, let alone high-def media!
Virtual console - initial lineup is too small, 10 games a month is pretty good, though. MSX is a surprise.
Overall: The launch details were nothing great. Not really bad news, but not good news either. The channels are pretty cool and the games are as exciting as ever. I am actually kind of glad that Wii sports is a pack-in, it looks fun and I think it's a good hook for those "non-gamers". Don't fool yourselves, Nintendo would have charged $250 with or without it. I declare that the gracious Reggie got NCL to throw it in after they demanded the $250 pricetag.
I will buy one to put next to my PS3. I'll call them tallie and shortie, or maybe blackey and whitey (Stop Racism!)
Post by: Hocotate on September 15, 2006, 07:22:07 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 15, 2006, 12:21:18 PM
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The price is fine. it is still the cheapest console out there, and it comes with a game. They will run circles around the five hundred and ninty-nine you ess dollars.
My guess is that the reason for NIntendo delaying the console until November 19th is mainly to give themselves and the 3rd parties more time to finalize their launch games.
