Post by: Kairon on August 24, 2006, 03:23:07 PM
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...IGN has separately learned from multiple development sources that Nintendo will not release Wii Wi-Fi Connection libraries to third parties until early 2007, which means that no third party launch title will have an online mode.
Hopefully they can still access WiiConnect24 from day one, but it sounds like we won't get online with the Wii until mid-late 2007.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: King of Twitch on August 24, 2006, 03:30:34 PM
Post by: Michael8983 on August 24, 2006, 04:40:02 PM
Most of the launch titles are single player experiences or multi-player games that are just meant to be played with everyone in the same room anyway.
Online Wii Sports Tennis just wouldn't be the same.
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 24, 2006, 04:54:43 PM
2) This is THIRD PARTY launch titles anyway.
3) I want to play Infernal in BIG DAMN TRUCKS.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 24, 2006, 04:59:30 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 24, 2006, 05:00:21 PM
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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
1) Not many launch games are good for online.
2) This is THIRD PARTY launch titles anyway.
3) I want to play Infernal in BIG DAMN TRUCKS.
In a way I can understand why Nintendo is doing this, they do want developers to focus on utilizing the Wiimote instead of half heartedly doing it while they work on online modes.
Post by: couchmonkey on August 24, 2006, 05:20:44 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 24, 2006, 05:39:21 PM
YOOOOO DEE YOOO DEE YOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Post by: Ian Sane on August 24, 2006, 05:53:54 PM
Still at least we have 2007 as a believable solid date instead of last gen's vague promise with no delivery. And EARLY 2007 is pretty good.
Post by: Mario on August 24, 2006, 05:54:28 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on August 24, 2006, 05:55:40 PM
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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
3) I want to play Infernal in BIG DAMN TRUCKS.
YES, we could just spend the whole time CRUSHING eachother for GOOD LANDING!'S in our BIG DAMN TRUCKS.
Post by: vudu on August 24, 2006, 06:20:59 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 24, 2006, 06:36:47 PM
I do think this is bad news, but it's not terrible. It would be terrible if this inlcuded first party titles too. I have a horrible feeling that the first party titles won't be online either, but until that's confirmed I'm still cool (and until then Iwata's not a liar either oh ho ho)
Post by: Ceric on August 24, 2006, 06:47:11 PM
Post by: Jin-X on August 24, 2006, 07:38:36 PM
Post by: SixthAngel on August 24, 2006, 07:42:55 PM
I frankly didn't expect online at launch anyway.
Post by: Kairon on August 24, 2006, 07:55:11 PM
I am personally HOPING that we are online mid 2007 (the libraries get released early 2007, meaning give the devs time to implement 'em!) with Strikers Charged and BWii landing sometime May-June-July, and that we aren't forced to wait all the way until Fall 2007 for SSBB online... I mean.... yikes, that'd be an entire year without online play!
Well, this IS bad news, no two ways about it, but this isn't horribly crippling bad news. Horribly crippling bad news would be the Virtual Console not making launch window either. *crosses fingers*
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 24, 2006, 08:22:06 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
I personally don't expect ANY launch titles to offer online play, first OR second party. My opinion is that the libraries and the network itself just aren't up to snuff, which is good because the games probably have enough challenges coming out the gates for launch as it is.
I am personally HOPING that we are online mid 2007 (the libraries get released early 2007, meaning give the devs time to implement 'em!) with Strikers Charged and BWii landing sometime May-June-July, and that we aren't forced to wait all the way until Fall 2007 for SSBB online... I mean.... yikes, that'd be an entire year without online play!
Well, this IS bad news, no two ways about it, but this isn't horribly crippling bad news. Horribly crippling bad news would be the Virtual Console not making launch window either. *crosses fingers*
~Carmine M. Red
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My guess is that Wii's online network will launch within a similar time frame the DS's launched (I believe that was close to a year) maybe a bit sooner. I am willing to bet they are still trying to finalize and tweak the system. Nintendo is usually not one to throw something out there that isn't polished up and with this being a relatively new venture for them it could take time since they did not have two generations to perfect it like Sony or MS.
Post by: Kairon on August 24, 2006, 08:31:12 PM
Yes, yes, Singstar and Uno beg to differ, but their huge pricetags suggest otherwise.
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Post by: Mario on August 24, 2006, 10:25:57 PM
I was looking forward to plugging in my Dongle and having Wii come out online from day 1. The wait will be painful now.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on August 24, 2006, 11:59:58 PM
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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
1) Not many launch games are good for online.
O RLY? What about CoD and Madden, two games that are as massively popular as they are largely because of their ONLINE MULTIPLAYER?
Dear Nintendo,
Stop crushing my hopes.
Sincerely,
Dirk
Post by: Infernal Monkey on August 25, 2006, 04:47:32 AM
Post by: Ceric on August 25, 2006, 04:52:48 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on August 25, 2006, 05:01:58 AM
I can have online gameplay right this minute by playing DS or PC. Wii is offering something I can't have anywhere else. Online should be part of the package, but it's not going to kill anyone if we have to wait a few months.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 25, 2006, 05:42:24 AM
I would rather Nintendo take their time and create a good network that can handle the traffic, and possibly design a better friends system that works per Profile and not per game.
Nintendo is going online this generation we should be thankful and excited about all the possibilities that brings instead of complaining.
There will be some launch games that could have benefitted from online, but Madden will be just as fun with multiplayer in the same room. So will most of the launch games.
Nintendo fans are the most loyals fans around, but they also bitch the most as well.
Besides, who will have time for online gaming once you have Zelda to consume your entire recreational free minute.
Post by: Strell on August 25, 2006, 06:01:20 AM
As someone on CAG said, "if the system is just handling 4 player races, how do you think it's going to handle 16 player deathmatches?"
No big deal at all.
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 25, 2006, 06:04:21 AM
Post by: animecyberat on August 25, 2006, 06:27:30 AM
I just hope that when the onliune does come it comes full force and hits hard like Live did. I relly dont care of Mario Baseball and battalion flop are onbline I want the games PEOPLE PLAY online. Smash Bros I care abnout and I no doubt think Online will boost MarioParties appeal but we need the EA games and 1st person shooters online more than the mario stuff. DS had great Online plans and nintendos stuff looks good but how many 3rd parties use it? so far just activision right?
so right there is the worry, what if 3rd parties dont see Nintendo doing a god enough job on thier online and put everything into Live and give WiFi Connect the cold shoulder. This isnt too big a deal since it s delay to ensure quality, but if the games dont keep coming then it will be just like GC only not quite as bad.
Post by: mantidor on August 25, 2006, 06:45:16 AM
know that you made me think about it, wheres paladin? I havent seen him in ages, and hes probably the only one who along with me doesnt give a damn about online anyway.Post by: ShyGuy on August 25, 2006, 06:48:39 AM
Post by: Mario on August 25, 2006, 07:21:50 AM
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I relly dont care of Mario Baseball and battalion flop are onbline I want the games PEOPLE PLAY online.
I will be playing Mario Football and Butt Warz online, thank you very much.
Post by: Strell on August 25, 2006, 08:00:58 AM
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Originally posted by: animecyberat
Seeing how poorley the Ds online has been handled I wasnt expecting Nintendo to really come through with the Wii anyways.
I just hope that when the onliune does come it comes full force and hits hard like Live did. I relly dont care of Mario Baseball and battalion flop are onbline I want the games PEOPLE PLAY online.
First off, as I said before, this only is at the beginning. It's going to change. If it doesn't then we have an issue, but there's no way to tell at this time.
Secondly, it won't hit like Live. Namely because it's going to be a free service. There's no way it's going to equal XBL, ever. It's going to have some nice online games, maybe a way to keep a buddy list, and ways to download small demoes and things. It's not going to be a huge assault on all sensory perception like XBL appears to be, where I guess you can download the latest Axe commercials.
Third, I'd be far more interested in a game like Mario Baseball or Battallion Wars than I ever will be with Generic WWII FPS Game with Extreme Sound Effects.
I think Nintendo's plan is to get their stuff online first and use it to demonstrate how much people want online capability. Unfortunately this is probably also an underhanded attempt by them to keep their own stuff high on the online tier, which is just going to piss off third parties.
This is the same problem we've seen for a while, where Nintendo shuns outsiders. Not to mention that the typical Nintendo fan is far more interested in first and second party games.
Again, bottom line, this isn't a deal breaker, and at the worst it's....2-3 months of the Wii's lifetime? Give it some time.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 25, 2006, 08:08:31 AM
BWii is exactly the type of game that people WILL and DO play online right now. It is a real time strategy game that lets you take control of your units and actually fight real time. But I guess that wouldn't be cool to play online. No that sounds stupid to me.
Now as for the Mario Sports Lineup these games are going to be great online. EA has pushed sports gaming way too far into the Sim category. They just aren't pure simple fun anymore. Nintendo is bring sports and making them fun again. And I will enjoy playing those games online.
As for the future of Nintendo Wii online games I think it is quite strong with exclusives and unique takes on traditional online games coming:
BWii
Mario Sports Series
Mario Party
Zelda Four Swords game (Perhaps include episodic Wii24connect downloads)
Star Fox
Animal Crossing
Smash Brothers Brawl
Geist (Not announced, but potentially a killer online Multiplayer experience)
Nintendogs
Wario Ware (Not Smooth Moves, but perhaps the sequel.)
F-Zero
Super Mario Kart
I think you get the point. Not all of those games are traditional online games that people play, but all of those games would be great experiences online, and they are coming you just have to give it time.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 25, 2006, 09:18:11 AM
Nintendo games have far too much potential with the WiiConnect24 that I'd hate to see them go without it for too long.
However, didn't Michel Ansel say something in the last Nintendo power about all the online ideas he has for R4?
Post by: Athrun Zala on August 25, 2006, 09:47:56 AM
Quoteheh, I don't give a crap about online either
Originally posted by: mantidor
Post by: BigJim on August 25, 2006, 12:00:11 PM
It's either a delay in the "oops" category for some reason, or they're briefly shafting 3rd parties for their own products.
If it's the former, then I'd suggest not relying on interns or cheap labor. The service was planned for years. Get it together. If it's the latter, then the collective ego of Nintendo still seems to need to be knocked down a peg.
Post by: eljefe on August 25, 2006, 12:29:24 PM
Honestly, I think this is true even tho its only rumoured now. But wasn't there another rumour about developers being able to send out multiplayer modes via WiiConnect24? The gravity of this all depends on whether or not Nintendo has the infrastructure in place to allow for retroactive implementation of that mode in a game with no online.
That would be really cool. I think most people could wait for that.
The other reason this might have more of an impact than usual is because of the vast number of 3rd-party launch-window games coming out prior to 2007.
Post by: wandering on August 25, 2006, 12:44:36 PM
'Hey, I have this multiplayer game - I'll start playing online right away! Oh wait, no online mode, looks like I'll have to invite my non-gamer friends over to play Wii with me instead!'
Post by: Hocotate on August 25, 2006, 05:14:48 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on August 25, 2006, 10:35:24 PM
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Originally posted by: animecyberat
DS had great Online plans and nintendos stuff looks good but how many 3rd parties use it? so far just activision right?
Yeah, just Activision. As long as you ignore the other companies that have alreasy released Wi-Fi games like Square-Enix, Konami, Treasure, Natsume, From Software, Grasshopper, Taito, O3 Entertainment and Tomy.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 25, 2006, 11:38:02 PM
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Originally posted by: Infernal MonkeyQuote
Originally posted by: animecyberat
DS had great Online plans and nintendos stuff looks good but how many 3rd parties use it? so far just activision right?
Yeah, just Activision. As long as you ignore the other companies that have alreasy released Wi-Fi games like Square-Enix, Konami, Treasure, Natsume, From Software, Grasshopper, Taito, O3 Entertainment and Tomy.
Exactly and I don't get what is with all this DS Wi-FI hate. It is the first really functional handheld online system we have ever seen for a handheld. It works well and has been quite popular amongst DS owners.
Post by: Kairon on August 26, 2006, 09:04:21 AM
Could we have our first Wii Online game in Japan January/February? In US April/May?
And since it's Pokemon...well, it'd be a great game to use to push Wii online play.
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Post by: AnyoneEB on August 26, 2006, 01:33:36 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 29, 2006, 07:57:39 AM
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on August 29, 2006, 08:20:28 PM
Post by: capamerica on September 02, 2006, 09:18:34 AM
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Wii 3rd party online play back on the table for launch
http://www.infendo.com/
Admittedly, there was some legitimate concern raised when it was disclosed that the 3rd party software companies might not be receiving online kits from Nintendo until 2007. Theoretically, this meant that for the Wii launch and for at least three months afterwards, no 3rd party Wii title -- like Red Steel -- would have online play.
But this was always a rumor, pushed by IGN using unnamed 3rd party sources, and was never confirmed by Nintendo. It was the double edged sword of the Internet: rumor circles the globe before the truth can even get its shoes on (or so a similar saying goes).
With news from Advanced Media Networks today about Konami and Elebits, it appears as though the truth might be catching up with the trigger happy folks who wish to be first to print with a rumor rather than wait for the facts.
"Konami held a BBQ event in California last week, and US journos were there to munch away and speak to the company on their upcoming projects and ideas. Advance Media Network had the chance to speak to Denis Lee, Group Marketing Manager at Konami on the game.
He revealed that online play has not been completely dismissed, but the company won’t discuss the subject fully yet. He said, 'the team is looking into online and trying to find out what the best kind of gameplay they can get into the game is and still make launch window. We’re working on a few ideas, but we’re not talking about online specifically.'"
Post by: Kairon on September 02, 2006, 09:39:02 AM
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Post by: Neodymium on September 02, 2006, 12:59:54 PM
I find it hard to trust little backyard sites.
Post by: capamerica on September 02, 2006, 04:57:03 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 02, 2006, 06:16:15 PM
I wonder if Nintendo will dispel all rumors in their event...
Post by: ShyGuy on September 02, 2006, 06:24:29 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 02, 2006, 08:38:05 PM
But since it doesn't even look like Nintendo is capable of having online games ready at launch, I would say most likely no launch games will be online. Which is really too bad because most of the games would have made great online diversions.
Post by: bustin98 on September 02, 2006, 09:10:56 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on September 02, 2006, 10:43:53 PM
Post by: AnyoneEB on September 03, 2006, 06:22:01 AM
Post by: Strell on September 03, 2006, 08:22:03 AM
The level of awesome that is cannot be conceived by mortal man.
Obviously, Reggie thought it up in a moment of pity for our poor, inept species.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 03, 2006, 12:03:40 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
BWii and Strikers have both been announced as online titles. I don't think they will be launch window though
Even if they were, it wouldn't matter because they're both first/second party.
Post by: AnyoneEB on September 03, 2006, 03:17:27 PM
Post by: stevey on September 03, 2006, 04:04:50 PM
In this impressions from Leipzig it was confirmed,
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Battalion Wars 2
The second new game was using a special feature: system link. Each player had his own Wii and display. The attendant said it was running via an Ethernet cable, but none were visible, so they probably hided a devkit again.
or wireless...
Post by: Aussiedude on September 06, 2006, 01:27:39 AM
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- Renamed Far Cry: Vengeance
- Jump with nunchuck by lifting it
- Slash Wiimote to make a feral attack, nunchuck to hit enmies in the back, ect.
- Move Wiimote forward to zoom
- Slash across screen for knife attack
- Focusing both on graphics and gameplay, not straight port from Xbox versions.
- Unvealed on the 14th.
- Widescreen, 480p
- “Stable 30 FPS, like all prior instincts games”
- Splitscreen multiplayer
- paraphrase: ‘We’ve heard some online information from Nintendo, but we can’t comment.’ (funny, cause he did. Look below )
- Proposing possibilities to Nintendo Wii24connect
- Single Player: 20+ hours
- “We’re testing online right now”
- “Is there a possiblity online play will show up in retail version?” (quick response) “Yep Yep.”
- Downloadable content is a possibility.
Link
Post by: Cap on September 06, 2006, 03:03:38 AM
"Most third parties apparently don't have access to the SD card bay yet, just as Nintendo has yet to provide libraries for online support. "
the big thing i notice it that it says "most", so i wouldnt completely rule out online play for some third party titles(especially a massive wii supporter like ubisoft).
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 06, 2006, 06:49:44 AM
Perhaps a delay for Red Steel to get online play supported? Or perhaps the Rayman minigames?
I believe it is possible.
Post by: UncleBob on September 06, 2006, 08:35:13 AM
Perhaps Nintendo is selectivly picking who gets WiFi in the launch titles so they can have a controlled launch of the online system, to get all the bugs worked out and such.
