Post by: Mingesium on March 04, 2003, 05:46:20 AM
The full list is finally out. Some of the intro dates are messed up (Oct-03). They also include hardware sales.
Mario Sunshine sold 1.53 million if you count the bundle.
Post by: nolimit19 on March 04, 2003, 06:25:20 AM
Post by: FFantasyFX on March 04, 2003, 06:44:33 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on March 04, 2003, 06:55:31 AM
Post by: FFantasyFX on March 04, 2003, 07:01:33 AM
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Originally posted by: nolimit19
alright then......i must have missed something. thatnks for the clear up. it is a great list.
Speaking of which, I forgot to thank Mingnesium for providing the list. Ever since I got my grubby little mitts on the November 2002 list, I've beome a hopeless junkie for TRST lists.
Post by: matt oz on March 04, 2003, 10:57:55 AM
That's just ridiculous.
Post by: Darc Requiem on March 04, 2003, 02:12:12 PM
Darc Requiem
Post by: rodtod on March 04, 2003, 02:53:30 PM
Post by: deminisma on March 04, 2003, 03:20:51 PM
No wonder they're cancelling them.
Post by: Gamer Donkey on March 04, 2003, 04:02:19 PM
Post by: Link on March 04, 2003, 04:49:58 PM
Post by: DrForester on March 04, 2003, 08:01:40 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on March 04, 2003, 08:40:21 PM
*Points gun at head and pulls trigger*
... Wha? Super Soaker 2000?
*Shakes fist*
Post by: Ymeegod on March 05, 2003, 02:43:14 AM
"... Wha? Super Soaker 2000?
*Shakes fist* "
You could always try to drown yourself :0.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on March 05, 2003, 02:07:39 PM
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Originally posted by: Ymeegod
Does anyone know a good chart to compare PC software sales? Would be interesting to see how PC games fared this year as well.
"... Wha? Super Soaker 2000?
*Shakes fist* "
You could always try to drown yourself :0.
Actually, I'd be interested in a PC sales chart too.
Then I could laugh at the low sales and go "ahh, so many pirates"
EDIT:
Bah, nobody needs to know of my suicide attempts =P
Post by: KrazyJ1098 on March 05, 2003, 04:53:25 PM
Post by: Mingesium on March 05, 2003, 05:22:19 PM
So far, I heard good things about GameCube in Feb. The bundle seems to be a success. GameCube should be close to or above the XBox in hardware sales. They are counting the free game in the bundle as sold, so expect Metroid Prime to be in the top 10.
Post by: KrazyJ1098 on March 05, 2003, 06:05:54 PM
Post by: KrazyJ1098 on March 05, 2003, 06:07:41 PM
That's just ridiculous. "
you know whats funny? i bought conkers bad fur day in january. its pretty funny stuff.
Post by: cyrus420 on March 05, 2003, 06:33:39 PM
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Actually, I'd be interested in a PC sales chart too.
Then I could laugh at the low sales and go "ahh, so many pirates"
I should buy an eyepatch for my brother-in-law!
Post by: cmoney on March 05, 2003, 06:44:20 PM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on March 06, 2003, 05:15:18 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on March 13, 2003, 07:46:18 AM
Post by: Mingesium on March 17, 2003, 08:36:35 AM
Top 10 Selling Games for GameCube for February 2003 (Retail Sales $)
Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
1 METROID PRIME Nintendo $2,035,031 68,873
2 MARIO PARTY 4 Nintendo $1,993,635 60,539
3 SUPER SMASH BRO MELEE Nintendo $1,585,663 47,771
4 LORD OF RINGS: TOWERS Electronic Arts $1,518,543 30,600
5 ANIMAL CROSSING Nintendo $1,384,332 27,813
6 SKIES OF ARCADIA LGND Sega $1,274,151 24,881
7 SUPER MARIO SUNSHINE Nintendo $1,176,820 23,866
8 STAR FOX ADVENTURES Nintendo $973,251 29,715
9 RESIDENT EVIL ZERO Capcom $915,378 30,297
10 GODZILLA: DESTRY MELEE Infogrames $864,918 19,885
February Hardware Sales
PS2: 484,000 (+8% over January sales)
XBOX: 197,000 (+20%)
GCN: 164,000 (+103%)
GBA: 282,000 (+6%)
Cumulative Installed Base
PS2: 16,802,000
XBOX: 4,962,000
GCN: 3,828,000
GBA: 12,441,000
The free game deal is working. Nintendo is closing the gap between XBox and GCN. Hopefully, Nintendo's momentum will carry over into March.
Post by: Gamer Donkey on March 17, 2003, 12:30:42 PM
Its good to see Godzilla still on there, only game I own(I'm sad to say).
Post by: Darc Requiem on March 17, 2003, 02:48:54 PM
Darc Requiem
Post by: Mario on March 17, 2003, 10:32:52 PM
And Nintend0wned, damn i hope they do a lot better in March. I wonder which console will be the first to detrone PS2 in hardware for a month? Could Gamecube possibly do it with Zelda? Or Mario Kart? Pokemon? Fzero? Final Fantasy? Metal Gear Solid? Only time will tell.....
Post by: Darc Requiem on March 24, 2003, 04:08:31 PM
Darc Requiem
Post by: FFantasyFX on March 24, 2003, 08:11:41 PM
Post by: Darc Requiem on March 25, 2003, 09:45:34 AM
Darc Requiem
Post by: ruby_onix on April 04, 2003, 10:48:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Mingesium
I don't have all the numbers, but I saw this in another forum.
(snip)
February Hardware Sales
PS2: 484,000 (+8% over January sales)
XBOX: 197,000 (+20%)
GCN: 164,000 (+103%)
GBA: 282,000 (+6%)
Cumulative Installed Base
PS2: 16,802,000
XBOX: 4,962,000
GCN: 3,828,000
GBA: 12,441,000
Let's do some quick math.
Nintendo just said GameCube hardware sales are up 20% (presumably meaning "March sales" compared to "February sales"), thanks to Zelda.
That would put it's sales at about... 197 thousand for March.
Interesting figure, isn't it?
Post by: Darc Requiem on April 09, 2003, 03:30:35 PM
Darc Requiem
Post by: bubba23 on April 09, 2003, 07:10:51 PM
GCN - WHIRL TOUR
Released: Nov-02
CRAVE ENTERTAINMENT
January '03 Sales: 54
Sales Overall: 181
So overall it hasn't even made $10,000 in sales over a period of 2 months. Sad.
Post by: Mario on April 09, 2003, 08:01:00 PM
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don't have all the numbers, but I saw this in another forum.
Would that "other forum" be Gaming-age? Ehehe, can you guess who i am...
Anyway, if you guys think that GC got anywhere near xbox in sales in march then your wrong, just wait and see. Nintendo's gonna need something bigger than zelda (
is that even possible?) to even outsell the xbox for a month, let alone outsell the ps2 EVER! Of course Wind Waker will be the number one game, but that because everyone who already owns a GC bought it. Nintendo is going downhill FAST, but i dont care now because i know Nintendo will never stop making games *Starts playing his Gamecube*...
Post by: Darc Requiem on April 10, 2003, 05:33:45 AM
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Post by: Wrx_Boi on April 12, 2003, 06:55:55 PM
Post by: Mario on April 13, 2003, 08:09:01 PM
PS2 - 380,000
Xbox - 200,000
Cube - 140,000
Post by: FFantasyFX on April 14, 2003, 02:20:44 AM
Nintendo is going to end up selling a little less than 200,000 GCs in March . . . that doesn't necessarily mean that they will beat out XBox however. XBox sales didn't remain static for the month of March, and unless sales were less in March than they were in February (highly unlikely), Nintendo didn't overtake Microsoft for the month.Post by: WesDawg on April 14, 2003, 12:34:39 PM
There's also these stats, or analyst predictions or something with XBox sales at around 8 million worldwide right now, a little below M$'s projected 9 milion mark. I'm not sure if those are numbers just from this past fiscal year or total sales either. Anyways, its funny how easy it is to confuse people with numbers. If anyone can clear stuff up, it'd be interesting... to me at least.
Post by: Mingesium on April 14, 2003, 12:43:32 PM
Microsoft said they forcast 9 million total as of June 2003. (They just announce it is total units and not fiscal year. I don't know if they changed it so the numbers would look good). They shipped 8 million as of Dec 2002.
Post by: Gamer1982 on April 24, 2003, 04:33:37 AM
Post by: Mingesium on April 24, 2003, 07:01:43 AM
Post by: knicksben on April 24, 2003, 08:56:37 AM
Post by: Darc Requiem on April 24, 2003, 10:48:26 AM
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Originally posted by: knicksben
Wow, GC was outsold by PS1. (In total GC sold 78,906 to PS1's 81,616) I guess we can't make fun of Xbox in Japan anymore.
Where are you getting your numbers? According to Media Crate the GC sold 6,900 units last week the PS1 sold 1,100 units and the X-box sold 1,200 units.
Darc Requiem
Post by: Mingesium on April 24, 2003, 10:49:39 AM
Post by: Mingesium on April 29, 2003, 06:26:49 AM
Top 10 Selling Games for PS2 for March 2003
1 Tenchu 3: Wrath Heaven 164,282
2 Def Jam Vendetta 135,162
3 GTA: Vice City 131,817
4 Xenosaga Episode 1 122,969
5 Yu-gu-oh! Duelists 118,108
6 MVP Baseball 2003 114,016
7 The Getaway 139,796
8 SOCOM 89,461
9 Dynasty Warriors 85,734
10 The Sims 81,027
Top 10 Selling Games for Xbox for March 2003
1 Ghost Recon 56,818
2 Halo 57,756
3 Tao Feng 48,140
4 WSB 2k3 40,223
5 Splinter Cell 40,268
6 MVP Baseball 2003 30,277
7 The Sims 30,204
8 Indiana Jones: Emperor 28,342
9 DOA: Beach Volleyball 26,083
10 LOTR: Towers 19,766
Top 10 Selling Games for GameCube for March 2003
1 Zelda: WW 826,352
2 Mario Party 4 61,400
3 Smash Bros. 60,514
4 Metroid Prime 53,815
5 Animal Crossing 24,324
6 LOTR: Towers 21,439
7 The Sims 19,527
8 Mario Sunshine 18,927
9 Def Jam Vendetta 18,164
10 Star Fox Adventures 27,149
Top 10 Selling Games for GBA for March 2003
1 Pokemon Ruby 652,595
2 Pokemon Sapphire 585,098
3 Yu-gi-oh! Dungeondice 85,457
4 Zelda: LTTP 79,719
5 Sonic Advance 2 70,170
6 Driver 2 95,878
7 Mario Advance 2 43,512
8 Yu-gi-oh! Eternal 40,650
9 Metroid Fusion 39,545
10 Kirby: Nightmare 36,834
Post by: Byron on April 29, 2003, 08:16:06 AM
Post by: Ninja X on April 29, 2003, 09:54:07 AM
Post by: Mingesium on April 29, 2003, 10:18:00 AM
Post by: Ninja X on April 29, 2003, 02:44:34 PM
Post by: Darc Requiem on April 29, 2003, 03:28:33 PM
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Post by: Byron on April 29, 2003, 04:31:41 PM
Nope GC did not beat XBox in hardware numbers.
It says for the month of March PS2 took 37.8% of the market, XBox 14.7% and GC 10.7%
Post by: FFantasyFX on April 29, 2003, 07:20:41 PM
Post by: Wrx_Boi on April 29, 2003, 09:17:56 PM
Post by: ink on April 29, 2003, 10:28:58 PM
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Originally posted by: FFantasyFX
Actually Byron, I'm pretty sure that Reuters is talking about cumulative installed base in that paragraph, not sales for the month. I might be wrong though.
That's the way I read it as well, and the numbers fit that way too.
Post by: Mario on April 30, 2003, 01:47:34 AM
Post by: Aussiedude on April 30, 2003, 02:15:57 AM
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Originally posted by: Wrx_Boi
OMg if gamecube outsold xbox for the month of march in North America im gonna chuck a party.
BETTER START PARTYING! COZ the CUBE DID BEAT XBOX IN MARCH!
USA Hardware Sales for past Month (March): 7,174,898
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Nintendo: 3,106,148 | 43.2%
Gamecube: 1,027,576 | 14.3%
Game Boy Advance: 2,078,572 | 28.9%
Sony Playstation 2: 3,587,938 | 50%
Microsoft Xbox: 480,812 | 6.8%
USA Monthly Multiformat Software sales for March
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RANK TITLE UNITS
1 GCN ZELDA:WIND WAKER 826,352
2 GBA POKEMON RUBY 652,595
3 GBA POKEMON SAPPHIRE 585,098
4 PS2 TENCHU 3:WRATH 164,282
5 PS2 THE GETAWAY 139,796
6 PS2 DEF JAM VENDETTA 135,162
7 PS2 GTA:VICE 131,817
8 PS2 ************************ EPISODE 1 122,969
9 PS2 YU-GI-OH! DUELISTS 118,108
10 PS2 MVP BASEBALL 2003 114,016
USA March 2003 Market Share Rankings (Top 30 Companies)
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Total 439,149,269 $
Company Projected $'s Market Share
1 NINTENDO OF AMERICA 101,484,000 $ 23.1%
2 ELECTRONIC ARTS 62,340,160 $ 14.2%
3 SONY 34,604,740 $ 7.9%
4 KONAMI OF AMERICA 24,172,310 $ 5.5%
5 ACTIVISION 20,968,160 $ 4.8%
6 THQ 20,538,180 $ 4.7%
7 INFOGRAMES 16,831,690 $ 3.8%
8 TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE 15,938,880 $ 3.6%
9 NAMCO 15,776,160 $ 3.6%
10 UBISOFT 15,673,330 $ 3.6%
11 SEGA OF AMERICA 14,923,200 $ 3.4%
12 CAPCOM USA 12,194,310 $ 2.8%
13 ACCLAIM ENTERTAINMENT 11,374,630 $ 2.6%
14 MICROSOFT 10,459,350 $ 2.4%
15 MIDWAY 8,986,507 $ 2.0%
16 VIVENDI UNIVERSAL 8,121,814 $ 1.8%
17 KOEI 5,571,626 $ 1.3%
18 LUCASARTS ENTERTAINMENT 4,525,158 $ 1.0%
19 EIDOS INTERACTIVE 3,425,308 $ 0.8%
20 BANDAI AMERICA 3,241,181 $ 0.7%
21 SQUARE EA 2,696,905 $ 0.6%
22 THE 3DO COMPANY 2,683,273 $ 0.6%
23 TDK MEDIACTIVE 2,456,029 $ 0.6%
24 TECMO 2,250,632 $ 0.5%
25 MULTIPLE VIDEO GAME MANUFACTUR 2,142,868 $ 0.5%
26 MAJESCO 2,008,578 $ 0.5%
27 BAM! ENTERTAINMENT 1,955,236 $ 0.4%
28 AGETEC 1,238,791 $ 0.3%
29 INTERPLAY PRODUCTIONS 886,502 $ 0.2%
30 BETHESDA SOFTWORKS 879,051 $ 0.2%
Source: NPD Funworld.
Post by: Mario on April 30, 2003, 02:26:03 AM
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Nintendo: 3,106,148 | 43.2%
Gamecube: 1,027,576 | 14.3%
Game Boy Advance: 2,078,572 | 28.9%
Sony Playstation 2: 3,587,938 | 50%
Microsoft Xbox: 480,812 | 6.8%
WTF? So PS2 sold 3.5 million in March? And Gamecube sold a million? And GBA SP didnt outsell PS2? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.....
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8 PS2 ************************ EPISODE 1 122,969
Wha?
Post by: AGENTDICKLAURENT on April 30, 2003, 02:44:00 AM
Post by: Darc Requiem on April 30, 2003, 07:05:23 AM
Darc Requiem
Post by: Mingesium on April 30, 2003, 08:16:25 AM
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USA Hardware Sales for past Month (March): 7,174,898
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Nintendo: 3,106,148 | 43.2%
Gamecube: 1,027,576 | 14.3%
Game Boy Advance: 2,078,572 | 28.9%
Sony Playstation 2: 3,587,938 | 50%
Microsoft Xbox: 480,812 | 6.8%
The numbers don't make sense for hardware sales. I think that the numbers are total software sold for each system.
Post by: Darc Requiem on April 30, 2003, 08:38:32 AM
Darc Requiem
Post by: jackson on April 30, 2003, 02:05:30 PM
Post by: Mingesium on April 30, 2003, 02:19:28 PM
here is what the hardware sales should look like. I used percent growth to get the numbers (% of feb numbers).
PS2 - 406,560
XBox - 163,510
GCN - 164,000
The official numbers should look pretty close. The GCN should beat the XBox by a slim amount.
Post by: FFantasyFX on April 30, 2003, 05:20:51 PM
Post by: Mingesium on April 30, 2003, 05:31:07 PM
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The new Zelda game set a Nintendo record with more than 600,000 copies pre-sold to consumers before its March 24 launch date, and retailers now are quickly burning through the entire initial North American shipment of 1.1 million games. In the same period, sales rates for Nintendo GameCube hardware have jumped 20 percent.
It is unclear what is "same period". First, I thought it was 20% from Feb. Now, it seems they are talking about the period after Zelda's launch, which is March 24. The day Zelda launch could have seen a 20% rise from last weeks numbers.
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 30, 2003, 06:17:31 PM
Post by: Darc Requiem on April 30, 2003, 06:40:52 PM
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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
FFantasyX: I think what Mingesium meant was he applied the percentage growth in sales from March to the actual sales numbers from February. For example, if Nintendo solld 1,000 Gamecubes in February and sales were up 10% in March, Nintendo sold 1,100 consoles.
You missed FFantasyX's point Mouse_Clicker. Nintendo announced sometime ago that in March they sold 20% more Gamecubes than they did in February. Nintendo sold 164,000 GCs in February. A 20% increase would mean the GC sold 196,800 units in March.
Darc Requiem
Post by: ZebulahnX on May 01, 2003, 10:01:38 AM
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Originally posted by: Darc RequiemQuote
Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
FFantasyX: I think what Mingesium meant was he applied the percentage growth in sales from March to the actual sales numbers from February. For example, if Nintendo solld 1,000 Gamecubes in February and sales were up 10% in March, Nintendo sold 1,100 consoles.
You missed FFantasyX's point Mouse_Clicker. Nintendo announced sometime ago that in March they sold 20% more Gamecubes than they did in February. Nintendo sold 164,000 GCs in February. A 20% increase would mean the GC sold 196,800 units in March.
Darc Requiem
Actually, Nintendo said that there was a 20% increase in Gamecube sales when Zelda was released. That means that there was only a 20% increase in sales during the last week of March, since Zelda didn't come out until the 24th...
Post by: FFantasyFX on May 01, 2003, 11:18:44 AM
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Originally posted by: ZebulahnX
Actually, Nintendo said that there was a 20% increase in Gamecube sales when Zelda was released. That means that there was only a 20% increase in sales during the last week of March, since Zelda didn't come out until the 24th...
Nintendo never said that there was a 20% increase after Zelda was released. They said "in the same period." Since the previous statement talked about not only the period after Zelda was released, but the pre-order time period as well, who knows what Nintendo meant. Now that I've seen the whole quote again, I'm inclined to agree with Mingnesium, but you can't deny that the phrase is wonderfully ambiguous (a trait PR people strive for
)
Post by: jackson on May 02, 2003, 04:32:56 AM
Post by: joeamis on May 02, 2003, 06:45:41 AM
this was posted on the 3rd page...
Top 10 Selling Games for GameCube for March 2003
1 Zelda: WW 826,352
2 Mario Party 4 61,400
3 Smash Bros. 60,514
4 Metroid Prime 53,815
5 Animal Crossing 24,324
6 LOTR: Towers 21,439
7 The Sims 19,527
8 Mario Sunshine 18,927
9 Def Jam Vendetta 18,164
10 Star Fox Adventures 27,149
if you don't read all the posts you have no right in posting in a thread
Post by: FFantasyFX on May 02, 2003, 10:07:59 AM
Jackson: I don't have totally exact figures right in front of me, but I can give you my relatively educated guesstimates from memory.
Zelda: 826 k
Smash Bros.: 1,450 k
Mario Party 4: 650 k
Metroid Prime: 850 k
Animal Crossing: 500 k
Def Jam Vendetta: 18 k
Two Towers: 150 k
The Sims: 19 k
Star Fox Adventures: 500 k
Mario Sunshine: 1,600 k (with bundle)
If someone has more exact information, please feel free to post it.
Post by: Ninja X on May 02, 2003, 11:13:06 AM
Post by: FFantasyFX on May 02, 2003, 11:58:48 AM
Post by: Mario on June 17, 2003, 07:05:09 PM
May NPD Sales Data!!
Top 10 Selling Games for PS2 for May 2003 (Retail Sales $)
Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
1 ENTER THE MATRIX Atari 27,343,020 $ 561,540
2 NBA STREET VOL 2 Electronic Arts 13,682,340 $ 274,452
3 T.CLANCY'S SPLINTER Ubi Soft 4,812,878 $ 98,692
4 MIDNIGHT CLUB II Take-Two Interactive 4,630,733 $ 93,120
5 GRAND THEFT AUTO:VICE Take-Two Interactive 3,201,154 $ 67,564
6 X2:WOLVERINES REVENGE Activision 2,866,030 $ 59,713
7 DEF JAM VENDETTA Electronic Arts 2,746,626 $ 55,200
8 .HACK: MUTATION Bandai 2,575,291 $ 51,690
9 DYNASTY W ARRIORS 4 Koei 2,281,203 $ 46,791
10 MVP BASEBALL 2003 Electronic Arts 2,184,827 $ 43,899
Source: NPD Funworld.
Top 10 Selling Games for Xbox for May 2003 (Retail Sales $)
Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
1 ENTER THE MATRIX Atari 13,577,190 $ 278,226
2 W OLFENSTEIN :T IDES W AR Activision 6,680,793 $ 140,915
3 BRUTE FORCE Microsoft 6,432,212 $ 130,385
4 NBA STREET VOL 2 Electronic Arts 3,708,454 $ 74,424
5 HALO Microsoft 1,666,910 $ 33,848
6 X2:WOLVERINES REVENGE Activision 986,241 $ 20,415
7 HULK Vivendi Universal 903,301 $ 18,220
8 T.CLANCY'S SPLINTER Ubi Soft 776,513 $ 16,789
9 T.CLANCYS GHOST RECON Ubi Soft 766,480 $ 16,126
10 MOTO GP 2 THQ 642,261 $ 12,343
Source: NPD Funworld.
Top 10 Selling Games for GameCube for May 2003 (Retail Sales $)
Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
1 ENTER THE MATRIX Atari 4,240,971 $ 85,584
2 ZELDA: THE WIND WAKER Nintendo 3,006,996 $ 76,676
3 NBA STREET VOL 2 Electronic Arts 1,426,252 $ 28,626
4 SUPER SMASH BRO MELEE Nintendo 868,762 $ 28,908
5 MARIO PARTY 4 Nintendo 794,771 $ 22,900
6 DISNEY'S FINDING NEMO THQ 715,898 $ 17,780
7 T.CLANCY'S SPLINTER Ubi Soft 605,177 $ 12,174
8 X2:WOLVERINES REVENGE Activision 577,168 $ 11,677
9 THE SIMS Electronic Arts 517,377 $ 10,749
10 ANIMAL CROSSING Nintendo 494,155 $ 9,915
Source: NPD Funworld.
Top 10 Selling Games for GBA for May 2003 (Retail Sales $)
Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
1 POKEMON RUBY Nintendo 3,955,237 $ 118,493
2 POKEMON SAPPHIRE Nintendo 3,759,188 $ 112,114
3 YU-GI-OH! W ORLDWIDE Konam i 3,386,782 $ 94,313
4 GOLDEN SUN: LOST AGE Nintendo 1,904,165 $ 63,109
5 CASTLEVANIA: ARIA Konam i 1,616,451 $ 54,174
6 DISNEY'S F INDING NEMO THQ 1,488,447 $ 52,534
7 ZELDA: LINK TO PAST Nintendo 1,111,154 $ 36,137
8 SONIC ADVANCE 2 THQ 1,101,245 $ 36,837
9 KIRBY: N IGHTMARE Nintendo 964,931 $ 31,663
10 HAMTARO: HEARTBREAK Nintendo 915,192 $ 30,174
Source: NPD Funworld.
Top 10 Selling Games for Covered Companies for May 2003 (Retail Sales $)
Title Publisher Platform Projected $'s Projected Units
1 NBA STREET VOL 2 Electronic Arts PS2 13,682,340 $ 274,452
2 WOLFENSTEIN:TIDES WAR Activision XBX 6,680,793 $ 140,915
3 MIDNIGHT CLUB II Take-Two Interactive PS2 4,630,733 $ 93,120
4 NBA STREET VOL 2 Electronic Arts XBX 3,708,454 $ 74,424
5 GRAND THEFT AUTO:VICE Take-Two Interactive PS2 3,201,154 $ 67,564
6 X2:WOLVERINES REVENGE Activision PS2 2,866,030 $ 59,713
7 DEF JAM VENDETTA Electronic Arts PS2 2,746,626 $ 55,200
8 MVP BASEBALL 2003 Electronic Arts PS2 2,184,827 $ 43,899
9 DISNEY'S FINDING NEMO THQ PS2 1,577,636 $ 39,632
10 GRAND THEFT AUTO 3 Take-Two Interactive PS2 1,566,196 $ 79,021
Source: NPD Funworld.
May 2003 Market Share Rankings (Top 30 Companies)
Total 295,085,961 $
Company Projected $'s Market Share
1 ATARI 54,362,630 $ 18.4%
2 ELECTRONIC ARTS 44,501,080 $ 15.1%
3 NINTENDO OF AMERICA 26,408,150 $ 8.9%
4 ACTIVISION 20,390,670 $ 6.9%
5 THQ 17,795,050 $ 6.0%
6 SONY 15,059,060 $ 5.1%
7 KONAMI OF AMERICA 13,177,770 $ 4.5%
8 TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE 13,145,870 $ 4.5%
9 UBISOFT 12,207,170 $ 4.1%
10 MICROSOFT 11,697,630 $ 4.0%
11 VIVENDI UNIVERSAL 8,004,927 $ 2.7%
12 NAMCO 6,564,938 $ 2.2%
13 ACCLAIM ENTERTAINMENT 5,327,259 $ 1.8%
14 CAPCOM USA 5,293,307 $ 1.8%
15 SEGA OF AMERICA 4,803,111 $ 1.6%
16 MIDWAY 4,509,010 $ 1.5%
17 BANDAI AMERICA 4,476,987 $ 1.5%
18 MULTIPLE VIDEO GAME MANUFACTUR 2,882,803 $ 1.0%
19 SQUARE ENIX USA 2,877,490 $ 1.0%
20 KOEI 2,853,562 $ 1.0%
21 LUCASARTS ENTERTAINMENT 2,495,482 $ 0.8%
22 TDK MEDIACTIVE 1,706,664 $ 0.6%
23 EIDOS INTERACTIVE 1,471,327 $ 0.5%
24 BAM! ENTERTAINMENT 1,431,100 $ 0.5%
25 TECMO 1,086,321 $ 0.4%
26 MAJESCO 1,058,818 $ 0.4%
27 THE 3DO COMPANY 1,057,324 $ 0.4%
28 BETHESDA SOFTWORKS 912,076 $ 0.3%
29 CODEMASTERS USA 818,650 $ 0.3%
30 AGETEC 665,707 $ 0.2%
US Top 25 Videogame Titles
Rank Title Publisher
1 PS2 ENTER THE MATRIX Atari
2 PS2 NBA STREET VOL 2 Electronic Arts
3 XBX ENTER THE MATRIX Atari
4 XBX WOLFENSTEIN:TIDES WAR Activision
5 XBX BRUTE FORCE Microsoft
6 PS2 T.CLANCY'S SPLINTER Ubi Soft
7 PS2 MIDNIGHT CLUB II Take-Two Interactive
8 GCN ENTER THE MATRIX Atari
9 GBA POKEMON RUBY Nintendo
10 GBA POKEMON SAPPHIRE Nintendo
11 XBX NBA STREET VOL 2 Electronic Arts
12 GBA YU-GI-OH! WORLDWIDE Konami
13 PS2 GRAND THEFT AUTO:VICE Take-Two Interactive
14 GCN ZELDA: THE WIND WAKER Nintendo
15 PS2 X2:WOLVERINES REVENGE Activision
16 PS2 DEF JAM VENDETTA Electronic Arts
17 PS2 .HACK: MUTATION Bandai
18 PS2 DYNASTY WARRIORS 4 Koei
19 PS2 MVP BASEBALL 2003 Electronic Arts
20 GBA GOLDEN SUN: LOST AGE Nintendo
21 PS2 YU-GI-OH! DUELISTS Konami
22 PS2 SOCOM:SEALS W/HEADSET Sony
23 XBX HALO Microsoft
24 PS2 HULK Vivendi
25 GBA CASTLEVANIA: ARIA Konami
Hardware sales
PS2 288,127
Xbox 123,614
GC 84,408
GBA 402,662
Source: NPD Funworld.
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OVERVIEW
On Monday afternoon, NPD Funworld released its May 2003 (four-week period ending May 31) TRSTS sales data for U.S. console video game software sales. Total sales were $295 million, down 9% sequentially from April’s $324 million, but up 20% compared to May 2002. The sequential decline was not unexpected, considering that April sales were unusually strong with many mega-hit games released. Year-to-date sales are $1,713 million compared with prior year-to-date of $1,554 million (a year-over-year increase of 10%).
Projected $'s (millions)
We had anticipated software sales of $295 million, so the overall sales figures met our expectations. We believe that the yearover- year increase was attributable to strong demand driven by the relatively strong release schedule in May 2003, compared to
last May. The sell-through in May 2003 was especially impressive given that the console manufacturers reduced prices only $20 (10%), compared to a reduction of $100 (33%) last May. The reduction last year resulted in a 31% sales increase over May 2001, so the comparison for May 2003 was a difficult one. We believe that industry sales figures will be highly correlated with the number of mega-hit titles released each month and remain confident that sales will continue to be strong into 2003, with the year ending up over 20% from 2002. May sales were driven by continuing sales of Nintendo’s Pokemon Ruby (GBA) and Pokemon Sapphire (GBA), Electronic
Arts’ NBA Street Vol. 2 (PS2, Xbox, GC), Ubi Soft’s Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell (PS2, Xbox, GC, GBA), and Take-Two’s Midnight Club II (PS2). Top May releases included THQ’s Finding Nemo (PS2, Xbox, GC, GBA, PC), Activision’s Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Tides of War (Xbox), and Atari’s Enter The Matrix (PS2, GC, Xbox, PC). Enter The Matrix sold a very strong 925,000 units and was the leading game sold for each of the three consoles. There were seven games selling more than 100,000 units apiece in May (this compares to our expectation of ten and 13 last month). The top 200 games (out of 3,000 games sold in May) captured 60% of unit sales and 75% of dollar sales, compared with 63% of unit sales and 71% of dollar sales in April, with the top 250 games capturing 78% of dollar sales. The top 10
captured 30% of dollar sales versus 23% last month.
Will Nintendo EVER catch up to Microsoft?
Post by: jarob on June 17, 2003, 07:13:49 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on June 17, 2003, 07:14:32 PM
Post by: jarob on June 17, 2003, 07:17:36 PM
Post by: Mario on June 17, 2003, 07:20:23 PM
Post by: jarob on June 17, 2003, 07:23:26 PM
Post by: Mario on June 17, 2003, 07:27:48 PM
PS2 17,735,608
XBox 5,378,727
GameCube 4,179,083
GBA 14,124,184
Post by: Mingesium on June 17, 2003, 07:49:23 PM
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Originally posted by: jarob
With that many GBA being sold, why are there only a few games in the top 25?
The handheld market has a lower software to hardware ratio than the console market. Most people use a gba for trips and stuff so they only have a couple of games. I have like 3 gba games, but like 12 GCN games. I think that software sales for gba should pick up when the gba player comes out.
edit: I can't believe Wario Ware didn't make the top ten.
Post by: Mario on June 17, 2003, 08:15:58 PM
Post by: joeamis on June 17, 2003, 10:51:20 PM
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Originally posted by: FFantasyFX
Joeamis: I'm pretty sure that jackson was asking for overall unit sales for those ten games, how many they've sold since they've been out.
Jackson: I don't have totally exact figures right in front of me, but I can give you my relatively educated guesstimates from memory.
I don't think so...sorry for posting so late...but this is what he said:
quote jackson:
does anybody have any idea what the overall unit sales where for each of the top 10 gamecube games for the month of march 2003?
Post by: Darc Requiem on October 11, 2003, 12:42:45 PM
Darc Requiem
Post by: jarob on October 11, 2003, 01:08:34 PM
Post by: Mario on October 11, 2003, 06:49:03 PM
Post by: Darc Requiem on October 12, 2003, 09:52:11 AM
Darc Requiem
Post by: Mario on October 12, 2003, 06:13:47 PM
Post by: akdaman1 on October 12, 2003, 10:15:34 PM
Post by: Mario on October 21, 2003, 09:10:26 PM
PS2: 334,000
Xbox: 172,000
GCN: 165,000
GBA: 410,000
Cumulative Installed Base
PS2: 19,139,000
Xbox: 6,002,000
GCN: 4,695,000
GBA: 15,909,000
Tie Ratios
PS2: 7.19
Xbox: 5.91
GCN: 5.79
GBA: 3.18
US Top 25 Videogame Titles
1 PS2 MADDEN NFL 2004 469,977
2 GBA FINAL FANTASY TACTICS 203,088
3 PS2 TIGER WOODS PGA 2004 178,547
4 PS2 SOUL CALIBUR II 164,325
5 GCN SOUL CALIBUR II 138,902
6 PS2 GRAND THEFT AUTO:VICE 114,894
7 XBX SOUL CALIBUR II 111,061
8 XBX ESPN NFL FOOTBALL 108,512
9 XBX MADDEN NFL 2004 105,499
10 GBA POKEMON PINBALL: R&S 97,984
11 XBX WWE RAW 2: RUTHLESS 97,045
12 PS2 NASCAR THUNDER 2004 87,316
13 PS2 ESPN NFL FOOTBALL 86,078
14 PS2 NCAA FOOTBALL 2004 84,922
15 GCN WWE WRESTLEMANIA XIX 77,391
16 XBX TIGER WOODS PGA 2004 66,124
17 PS2 NHL 2004 56,873
18 GCN F-ZERO GX 50,595
19 PS2 SIMPSONS: HIT & RUN 48,451
20 XBX SW: KNIGHTS REPUBLIC 47,761
21 PS2 DISGAEA:HOUR DARKNESS 43,013
22 XBX HALO 45,845
23 PS2 SOCOM W/O HEADSET
24 GBA POKEMON RUBY
25 PS2 .HACK: OUTBREAK
Individual Console Rankings
PS2
1 MADDEN NFL 2004 Electronic Arts $23,317,090 469,977
2 TIGER WOODS PGA 2004 Electronic Arts $8,836,669 178,547
3 SOUL CALIBUR II Namco $8,150,274 164,325
4 NASCAR THUNDER 2004 Electronic Arts $4,349,881 87,316
5 ESPN NFL FOOTBALL Sega $4,274,621 86,078
6 NCAA FOOTBALL 2004 Electronic Arts $4,214,740 84,922
7 GRAND THEFT AUTO:VICE Take-Two Interactive $3,391,246 114,894
8 NHL 2004 Electronic Arts $2,831,833 56,873
9 SIMPSONS: HIT & RUN Vivendi Universal $2,359,111 48,451
10 DISGAEA:HOUR DARKNESS Atlus $2,232,049 43,013
XBox
1 SOUL CALIBUR II Namco $5,495,061 111,061
2 ESPN NFL FOOTBALL Sega $5,376,999 108,512
3 MADDEN NFL 2004 Electronic Arts $5,243,254 105,499
4 WWE RAW 2: RUTHLESS THQ $4,832,870 97,045
5 TIGER WOODS PGA 2004 Electronic Arts $3,269,559 66,125
6 SW: KNIGHTS REPUBLIC LucasArts Entertainment $2,281,255 47,761
7 HALO Microsoft $2,220,677 45,845
8 DUNGEON & DRAGON:HERO Atari $1,740,087 35,023
9 SIMPSONS: HIT & RUN Vivendi Universal $1,658,379 33,432
10 GHOST RECON: ISLAND Ubi Soft $1,626,021 41,457
Gamecube
1 SOUL CALIBUR II Namco $6,879,627 138,902
2 WWE WRESTLEMANIA XIX THQ $3,852,116 77,391
3 F-ZERO GX Nintendo $2,516,468 50,595
4 MADDEN NFL 2004 Electronic Arts $1,524,843 30,624
5 MARIO GOLF: TOADSTOOL Nintendo $1,491,271 29,955
6 SUPER SMASH BRO MELEE Nintendo $1,134,648 37,909
7 SIMPSONS: HIT & RUN Vivendi Universal $1,096,097 22,068
8 ZELDA: THE WIND WAKER Nintendo $901,193 18,844
9 SONIC ADVT DX DIR CUT Sega $760,188 19,102
10 BILLY HATCHER Sega $721,350 17,722
GBA
1 FINAL FANTASY TACTICS Nintendo $6,966,382 203,088
2 POKEMON PINBALL: R&S Nintendo $3,058,546 97,984
3 POKEMON RUBY Nintendo $1,864,532 56,028
4 POKEMON SAPPHIRE Nintendo $1,692,271 50,840
5 DONKEY KONG COUNTRY Nintendo $1,267,293 40,535
6 DRAGONBALL Z: GOKU II Atari $1,142,853 37,680
7 YU-GI-OH! WORLDWIDE Konami $891,296 24,996
8 SONIC ADVANCE 2 THQ $858,209 28,163
9 SUPER MARIO ADVANCE 2 Nintendo $772,355 24,447
10 KIRBY: NIGHTMARE Nintendo $741,521 23,393
Post by: jarob on October 21, 2003, 09:30:21 PM
Xbox has a lot more entries than the Cube. Mainly sports games though. I see why 3rd parties support PS/2 and XBox the most. FZero only sold 50K?
Post by: Mario on October 21, 2003, 09:42:36 PM
More totals!
Super Smash Bros. Melee: 1,721,486
The Wind Waker: 1,256,685
Super Mario Sunshine: 1,116,708
Metroid Prime: 964,984
Luigi's Mansion: 959,299
Mario Party 4: 821,601
Star Fox Adventures: 538,419
Pikmin: 512,649
Animal Crossing: 504,021
Wave Race: 293,377
Eternal Darkness: 230,956
Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour: 184,080
Preview Disk: 148,137
NBA Courtside 2002: 135,348
Wario World: 131,472
F-Zero GX: 115,437
Magical Mirror: 85,331
Post by: Fish on October 22, 2003, 01:44:44 AM
Post by: NintendoFanGirl on October 22, 2003, 03:27:27 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 22, 2003, 06:24:14 AM
Post by: BlkPaladin on October 22, 2003, 08:25:30 AM
Post by: Mario on October 22, 2003, 11:49:29 AM
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How did SCII for PS2 outsell the GC? I thought the GC version was ahead of the other 2?
It was ahead, but now the PS2 version is catching up.
Post by: getupkids on November 05, 2003, 08:31:13 PM
Post by: cml on November 05, 2003, 08:59:54 PM
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Originally posted by: MarioQuote
How did SCII for PS2 outsell the GC? I thought the GC version was ahead of the other 2?
It was ahead, but now the PS2 version is catching up.
Given the size of the PS2 userbase, that was always going to happen, and is probably exactly what Namco expected.
The diehard GameCube fans who generally buy 1st party Nintendo product the day/week it ships were enticed into doing the same with the GCN version of Soul Calibur 2. But in the weeks that followed, most GameCube owners that were interested in the title had already bought it, but the many casual gamers who only enter EB every month or so saw and bought it for PS2.
Chris.
Post by: Mario on November 18, 2003, 12:10:00 AM
PLAYSTATION 2
1 NBA LIVE 2004 Electronic Arts $19,311,610 387,363
2 MADDEN NFL 2004 Electronic Arts $10,151,370 204,064
3 JAK II Sony $9,525,686 239,217
4 WWE: HERE COMES PAIN THQ $7,575,488 152,073
5 TONY HAWK UNDERGROUND Activision $7,166,578 144,842
6 TIGER WOODS PGA 2004 Electronic Arts $5,678,678 114,109
7 CASTLEVANIA: LAMENT Konami $4,733,432 95,177
8 SSX 3 Electronic Arts $4,559,972 91,815
9 BACKYARD WRESTLING Eidos $3,948,827 79,233
10 CONFLICT: DESERT II Take-Two $3,192,561 64,096
XBOX
1 NBA LIVE 2004 Electronic Arts $5,259,460 105,539
2 T. CLANCY'S RAINBOW 3 Ubi Soft $3,911,208 78,633
3 CRIMSON SKIES: HIGH Microsoft $2,948,061 59,379
4 ESPN NBA BASKETBALL Sega $2,668,353 53,567
5 MADDEN NFL 2004 Electronic Arts $2,427,489 48,870
6 CONFLICT: DESERT II Take-Two $2,353,912 48,345
7 TONY HAWK UNDERGROUND Activision $2,311,633 46,711
8 TIGER WOODS PGA 2004 Electronic Arts $2,214,646 44,551
9 SSX 3 Electronic Arts $1,936,943 38,990
10 HALO Microsoft $1,813,485 36,547
GAMECUBE
1 SW:ROGUE SQUADRON III LucasArts $5,744,523 115,672
2 VIEWTIFUL JOE Capcom $4,060,866 102,231
3 KIRBY AIR RIDE Nintendo $3,063,197 61,583
4 SOUL CALIBUR II Namco $2,659,374 54,369
5 TEENAGE MUTANT TURTLE Konami $1,758,922 43,050
6 SUPER SMASH BRO MELEE Nintendo $1,532,765 51,201
7 BILLY HATCHER Sega $1,429,339 37,215
8 SIMPSONS: HIT & RUN Vivendi $1,419,004 28,999
9 MARIO GOLF: TOADSTOOL Nintendo $1,326,796 26,699
10 NBA LIVE 2004 Electronic Arts $1,321,751 26,511
GAME BOY ADVANCE
1 MARIO BROS 3: MARIO 4 Nintendo $4,543,382 158,748
2 FINAL FANTASY TACTICS Nintendo $2,030,718 58,999
3 POKEMON PINBALL: R&S Nintendo $1,356,631 43,877
4 POKEMON RUBY Nintendo $1,351,664 40,801
5 POKEMON SAPPHIRE Nintendo $1,236,279 37,323
6 DONKEY KONG COUNTRY Nintendo $856,780 28,374
7 KIRBY: NIGHTMARE Nintendo $663,853 21,036
8 SONIC ADVANCE 2 THQ $647,294 21,152
9 YU-GI-OH! WORLDWIDE Konami $646,175 18,198
10 MEGA MAN ZERO 2 Capcom $642,674 21,898
Post by: Fish on November 18, 2003, 01:40:44 AM
But then again, pretty much all in Cubes top 5 should have sold more... hmm... Can't wait to see how Mario Kart will sell.
Post by: Mario on November 18, 2003, 01:47:02 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on November 18, 2003, 05:53:00 AM
Post by: Fish on November 18, 2003, 06:31:27 AM
Xbox: 176,000 [+3%]
GCN: 254,000 [+54%]
GBA: 401,000 [-2%]
Go Cube! Just hope Mario Kart and Zelda bundle keeps it above Xbawx.(Just wanted to see is that easier to type than Xbox. No, it is not. oh well..)
Post by: akdaman1 on November 18, 2003, 08:26:10 AM
Post by: PIAC on November 18, 2003, 08:31:05 AM
HAH! take THAT bill, Billy Hatcher IS awsome and deserves that spot at #7!
Post by: Kaj'oin on November 18, 2003, 10:14:55 AM
Post by: GaimeGuy on November 18, 2003, 11:07:56 AM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on November 18, 2003, 11:38:50 AM
Madden is great
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 18, 2003, 11:40:12 AM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on November 18, 2003, 01:10:10 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 18, 2003, 01:12:31 PM
QuoteAll that proves is my belief that there are way too many stupid, uninformed gamers out there...
Originally posted by: PIAC
HAH! take THAT bill, Billy Hatcher IS awsome and deserves that spot at #7!
Post by: VideoGamerX on November 18, 2003, 08:14:47 PM
Just because you don't like sports games doesn't mean you have to downgrade it as if only retards would buy it. I guess that makes you a fanboy of some other type of game since you fail to see anything good or positive out of being able to play football with cyber versions of your favorite superstars. Many people dream of being sports super stars but realize how rediculously unlikely it is that their dream will become a reality. By that same token, many of us dream of other far out fantastic things. What do we do to achieve this in some form or another? A good chunk of us realize these fantastic dreams through video games.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on November 19, 2003, 01:24:45 AM
It is obvious you havent played the game and for some reason see the need to rag on it even though you have no factual basis at all for your agrument. Play the game first if you insist on bitching at least then your posts will make a little bit of sense.
"All that proves is my belief that there are way too many stupid, uninformed gamers out there.."
all that statement proves is that Bill thinks he is a know it all god of gaming who for some reason is bothered by what games other people like.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 19, 2003, 02:44:50 AM
Post by: Crono on December 01, 2003, 04:10:42 PM
Post by: Mario on December 02, 2003, 05:29:48 PM
Post by: Mario on December 15, 2003, 03:35:26 PM
GCN - 1,325,108
PS2 - 1,123,167
Xbox - 775,897
GBA - 2,124,690
Oh how i hope these numbers are right.
Post by: Pikkcuber on December 15, 2003, 03:57:39 PM
Post by: Berny on December 15, 2003, 03:58:37 PM
Too bad if they aren't. I was hoping the streak would last. Or if they aren't real and are in fact BETTER, well that would just be stu–friggin–pendous.
Post by: Mario on December 15, 2003, 04:01:44 PM
Post by: Berny on December 15, 2003, 04:20:02 PM
Well if they aren't real, I will MAKE them real. How you ask? I have my methods....
Post by: Mario on December 15, 2003, 04:29:53 PM
Post by: akdaman1 on December 15, 2003, 06:05:22 PM
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Originally posted by: Berny
Really? It's best EVER? Like ever this month?
Well if they aren't real, I will MAKE them real. How you ask? I have my methods....
Berny is planning on buying a million gamecubes...how you ask ? Well he supposdley has some get rich fast scheme going on .
Post by: WesDawg on December 15, 2003, 07:11:49 PM
Back on topic, Go Nintendo!
Post by: Darc Requiem on December 15, 2003, 07:37:06 PM
Darc Requiem
Post by: akdaman1 on December 15, 2003, 08:32:14 PM
Post by: Mario on December 15, 2003, 09:51:11 PM
PS2 2 MEDAL HONOR RISING Electronic Arts $20,463,280 - 420,313
PS2 3 FINAL FANTASY X-2 Square Enix $19,986,300 - 402,973
XBX 4 GRAND THEFT AUTO PACK Take-Two Interactive $19,354,530 - 391,315
PS2 5 SOCOM II: NAVY SEALS Sony $18,733,560 - 380,182
PS2 6 NEED SPEED: UNDERGRND Electronic Arts $18,276,070 - 370,450
PS2 7 TRUE CRIME TREETS LA Activision $17,361,080 - 354,448
PS2 8 TONY HAWK UNDERGROUND Activision $17,139,500 - 359,924
Bam. For some reason only the top 8 have been released for now... but there you go, Mario Kart is number one
Post by: Berny on December 16, 2003, 03:54:19 AM
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Originally posted by: akdaman1
Berny is planning on buying a million gamecubes...how you ask ? Well he supposdley has some get rich fast scheme going on .
Actually I was planning on sneaking into the office building where they make up....er...calculate these numbers and scribble in the number fourty bajillion next to the gameube and 2 by the XBox.
Then they will assume its a typo and ad 30 zero's to the XBox. But, 40 bajillion is still bigger than 2*10^30. Well, it is in my math book. Oh and those new numbers are FANtastic. I mean, I naturally expected Mario Kart to sell well. There weren't any quality games released near it. *notices FF, and GTA*
AH HA HA! It's a dream come true. Mario put those games in their place.Wow, this is as close as I have ever come to a full out fanboy rant.
Post by: RedTide on December 16, 2003, 04:14:24 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario
GCN 1 MARIO KART: DOUBLE Nintendo $25,731,300 - 527,742
PS2 2 MEDAL HONOR RISING Electronic Arts $20,463,280 - 420,313
PS2 7 TRUE CRIME TREETS LA Activision $17,361,080 - 354,448
Of the 3 of these games, Mario Kart is the only one people haven't traded in yet in large amounts at the eb i work at. Mario Party also seems to be a big seller since Thanksgiving weekend, and Mario Kart has continued on strong as well.
Post by: Mario on December 16, 2003, 11:56:44 AM
1 GCN MARIO KART: DOUBLE Nintendo
2 PS2 MEDAL HONOR RISING Electronic Arts
3 PS2 FINAL FANTASY X-2 Square Enix
4 XBX GRAND THEFT AUTO PACK Take Two Interactive
5 PS2 SOCOM II: NAVY SEALS Sony
6 PS2 NEED SPEED: UNDERGRND Electronic Arts
7 PS2 TONY HAWK UNDERGROUND Activision
8 PS2 TRUE CRIME:STREETS LA Activision
9 GBA MARIO BROS 3: MARIO 4 Nintendo
10 PS2 MADDEN NFL 2004 Electronic Arts
Top 10 Selling Games for GameCube for November 2003 (Retail Sales $)
Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
1 MARIO KART: DOUBLE Nintendo 25,731,300 $ 527,742
2 MARIO PARTY 5 Nintendo 10,513,050 $ 213,495
3 YU-GI-OH! FALSEBOUND Konami 3,796,675 $ 95,891
4 LORD RING:RETURN KING Electronic Arts 3,784,515 $ 76,841
5 KIRBY AIR RIDE Nintendo 3,426,500 $ 69,311
6 TONY HAWK UNDERGROUND Activision 3,392,970 $ 69,290
7 SW :ROGUE SQUADRON III LucasArts Entertainment 2,893,335 $ 59,851
8 TRUE CRIME:STREETS LA Activision 2,492,181 $ 50,435
9 SUPER SMASH BRO MELEE Nintendo 2,314,935 $ 83,056
10 MEDAL HONOR RISING Electronic Arts 2,208,762 $ 44,859
Top 10 Selling Games for GBA for November 2003 (Retail Sales $)
Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
1 MARIO BROS 3 : MARIO 4 Nintendo 9,344,474 $ 327,217
2 YU-GI-OH! SACRED CARD Konami 5,701,704 $ 191,011
3 MARIO & LUIGI SAGA Nintendo 3,954,206 $ 135,675
4 POKEMON RUBY Nintendo 2,888,368 $ 92,784
5 SPONGEBOB: BATTLE THQ 2,729,023 $ 96,070
6 DISNEY'S FINDING NEMO THQ 2,606,065 $ 88,386
7 POKEMON SAPPHIRE Nintendo 2,538,562 $ 80,179
8 FIRE EMBLEM Nintendo 2,333,068 $ 75,748
9 NAMCO MUSEUM Namco 2,193,388 $ 190,266
10 POKEMON PINBALL : R&S Nintendo 1,920,794 $ 61,809
Oh, and if those hardware figures are fake, then these
PS2 832,000
GCN 748,800
Xbox 491,400
Are the real ones. But... they could also be fake and the other ones could be real.
Post by: Berny on December 16, 2003, 12:46:35 PM
Oh thank God. Two Nintendo games beat out the Lord of the Rings unlike MP's defeat by the previous installment.
Post by: akdaman1 on December 16, 2003, 02:00:37 PM
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Originally posted by: Mario
Overall:
1 GCN MARIO KART: DOUBLE Nintendo
2 PS2 MEDAL HONOR RISING Electronic Arts
3 PS2 FINAL FANTASY X-2 Square Enix
4 XBX GRAND THEFT AUTO PACK Take Two Interactive
5 PS2 SOCOM II: NAVY SEALS Sony
6 PS2 NEED SPEED: UNDERGRND Electronic Arts
7 PS2 TONY HAWK UNDERGROUND Activision
8 PS2 TRUE CRIME:STREETS LA Activision
9 GBA MARIO BROS 3: MARIO 4 Nintendo
10 PS2 MADDEN NFL 2004 Electronic Arts
Top 10 Selling Games for GameCube for November 2003 (Retail Sales $)
Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
1 MARIO KART: DOUBLE Nintendo 25,731,300 $ 527,742
2 MARIO PARTY 5 Nintendo 10,513,050 $ 213,495
3 YU-GI-OH! FALSEBOUND Konami 3,796,675 $ 95,891
4 LORD RING:RETURN KING Electronic Arts 3,784,515 $ 76,841
5 KIRBY AIR RIDE Nintendo 3,426,500 $ 69,311
6 TONY HAWK UNDERGROUND Activision 3,392,970 $ 69,290
7 SW :ROGUE SQUADRON III LucasArts Entertainment 2,893,335 $ 59,851
8 TRUE CRIME:STREETS LA Activision 2,492,181 $ 50,435
9 SUPER SMASH BRO MELEE Nintendo 2,314,935 $ 83,056
10 MEDAL HONOR RISING Electronic Arts 2,208,762 $ 44,859
Top 10 Selling Games for GBA for November 2003 (Retail Sales $)
Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
1 MARIO BROS 3 : MARIO 4 Nintendo 9,344,474 $ 327,217
2 YU-GI-OH! SACRED CARD Konami 5,701,704 $ 191,011
3 MARIO & LUIGI SAGA Nintendo 3,954,206 $ 135,675
4 POKEMON RUBY Nintendo 2,888,368 $ 92,784
5 SPONGEBOB: BATTLE THQ 2,729,023 $ 96,070
6 DISNEY'S FINDING NEMO THQ 2,606,065 $ 88,386
7 POKEMON SAPPHIRE Nintendo 2,538,562 $ 80,179
8 FIRE EMBLEM Nintendo 2,333,068 $ 75,748
9 NAMCO MUSEUM Namco 2,193,388 $ 190,266
10 POKEMON PINBALL : R&S Nintendo 1,920,794 $ 61,809
Oh, and if those hardware figures are fake, then these
PS2 832,000
GCN 748,800
Xbox 491,400
Are the real ones. But... they could also be fake and the other ones could be real.
Those numbers are good. When was Fire Emblem released ? Cause it deserves better numbers than that.
Also...how did Viewtiful Joe do ?
Post by: jalman64 on December 17, 2003, 12:19:06 PM
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Originally posted by: WesDawg
It makes me sad to see Madden sell so much too, but I usually just keep it to meself and quietly hate people from afar. Today I'll whine though. I do get pissed when Tiger Woods gets crazy great reviews for adding a stupid dress up feature and almost no new gameplay. And also, there's a big difference between a new version of Mario or Doom coming out every 3-5 years and the yearly ritual that comes out known as Madden. Face it, the main reason people buy the new edition of Madden is because it has updated stats and "better" graphics, and because it has a new number stamped on the front. You might not be that guy, but that's what drives the majority of its sales. That's what pisses me off. It caters to all the idiots who have to have the newest thing out there in the gaming world.
Back on topic, Go Nintendo!
Although I keep to myself when someone makes the usual "sports games just update their rosters, and voila, NEW game" argument, I believe that these game developers would probably make even better games by publishing every other year. Economics would prevent that from happening positively though.
WesDawg, have you actually played Madden '04? Part of the attraction this year is the new Owner mode, part of it is the new Playmaker control, and maybe, maybe part of it is the create-a-playbook feature. There are also subtle things like the camera reacting to playaction plays and such. No, I didn't buy it; I rented it. I have Madden '02 PC and while they may have the same "shell," they play with a different flow. Madden 2004 seems to play faster (not just the framerate) than 2002. This "barely new updates, thus new game" argument is pretty tired in general; would these people make a similar argument of certain pieces of software in general?
In other news: MK
D went gold!!!!! Yee-haw!
Post by: Mario on January 20, 2004, 04:52:19 PM
Titl Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
PS2 1 NEED SPEED: UNDERGRND Electronic Arts $54,549,890 1,120,576
PS2 2 MADDEN NFL 2004 Electronic Arts $38,025,800 784,347
PS2 3 TONY HAWK UNDERGROUND Activision $32,297,470 707,522
PS2 4 DRAGONBALL Z:BUDOKAI2 Atari $32,296,350 649,708
PS2 5 TRUE CRIME:STREETS LA Activision $29,271,920 607,315
PS2 6 MEDAL HONOR RISING Electronic Arts $28,616,420 587,360
PS2 7 FINAL FANTASY X-2 Square Enix $27,405,140 554,300
PS2 8 SOCOM II: NAVY SEALS Sony $23,556,760 477,257
PS2 9 LORD RING:RETURN KING Electronic Arts $22,096,420 446,490
PS2 10 NBA LIVE 2004 Electronic Arts $19,005,970 390,144
Titl Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
XBX 1 GRAND THEFT AUTO PACK Take-Two Interactive $19,872,880 402,201
XBX 2 NEED SPEED: UNDERGRND Electronic Arts $15,299,260 308,989
XBX 3 T. CLANCY'S RAINBOW 3 Ubi Soft $11,294,200 232,232
XBX 4 HALO Microsoft $9,876,348 338,712
XBX 5 TRUE CRIME:STREETS LA Activision $9,742,603 206,906
XBX 6 MADDEN NFL 2004 Electronic Arts $8,981,349 182,148
XBX 7 MEDAL HONOR RISING Electronic Arts $8,627,625 178,516
XBX 8 LORD RING:RETURN KING Electronic Arts $8,587,972 176,762
XBX 9 TONY HAWK UNDERGROUND Activision $8,015,302 173,119
XBX 10 PROJECT GOTHAM 2 Microsoft $7,659,285 158,151
Titl Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
GCN 1 MARIO KART: DOUBLE Nintendo $36,232,280 729,797
GCN 2 MARIO PARTY 5 Nintendo $16,029,730 329,331
GCN 3 LORD RING:RETURN KING Electronic Arts $7,103,540 143,397
GCN 4 NEED SPEED: UNDERGRND Electronic Arts $6,586,333 133,134
GCN 5 TONY HAWK UNDERGROUND Activision $6,539,699 142,434
GCN 6 SUPER SMASH BRO MELEE Nintendo $6,350,120 215,340
GCN 7 YU-GI-OH! FALSEBOUND Konami $5,281,479 133,553
GCN 8 KIRBY AIR RIDE Nintendo $4,871,833 98,983
GCN 9 MADDEN NFL 2004 Electronic Arts $4,699,136 95,532
GCN 10 SIMPSONS: HIT & RUN Vivendi Universal $4,664,722 93,886
Titl Title Publisher Projected $'s Projected Units
GBA 1 MARIO & LUIGI SAGA Nintendo $12,668,060 426,594
GBA 2 MARIO BROS 3: MARIO 4 Nintendo $10,077,220 333,971
GBA 3 YU-GI-OH! SACRED CARD Konami $8,246,533 279,213
GBA 4 SPONGEBOB: BATTLE THQ $7,510,482 265,340
GBA 5 POKEMON RUBY Nintendo $7,192,087 227,652
GBA 6 DRAGONBALL Z:TAIKETSU Atari $6,341,983 222,496
GBA 7 POKEMON SAPPHIRE Nintendo $6,109,894 188,616
GBA 8 DISNEY'S FINDING NEMO THQ $5,750,815 189,194
GBA 9 DONKEY KONG COUNTRY Nintendo $4,842,792 160,838
GBA 10 SUPER MARIO ADVANCE 2 Nintendo $4,137,547 131,856
Post by: AMac2002 on January 20, 2004, 05:27:11 PM
GBA-SP: 2,260,000
PS2: 1,940,000
GC: 1,160,000
XBox: 1,080,000
N-Gage: 15,000
Post by: kusanagi on January 22, 2004, 06:50:59 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on January 22, 2004, 07:16:11 AM
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It saddens me to no end how Madden sells so many copies.
dude madden is great. i would go outside to play football too, but since there are rarely 12 guys willling to play, i hardly ever get the chance. plus even when you do play, you cant play all out because everyone will get hurt. madden is awesome. it has unlimited replay value, and i dont think that many people actually buy it every year. i have actually purchased it 5 times out of the last 7 years, but i usually get them after they go down in price. and they do change a lot every year i have gotten them.
Post by: Deguello on January 22, 2004, 10:34:45 AM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on January 22, 2004, 01:30:34 PM
" The problem with Madden is despite the (lack of) changes in edition yearly edition, you are still playing the same game of football. I don't care if they instituted a new Owner/Franchise/Spectator/Hot Dog Vendor Mode... all they are are shades of the same boring ass game of digital football that was made in Madden 2000. Thee really isn't much left for the series to do."
How can someone who is suppose to be a writer say something so biased and ignorant?
The 2004 game is much differant from the 2003 version, the playmaker feature being the biggest, most signifigant advancement. You are obviously someone who isnt a fan of the real game and misses the subtleties of the Madden series, simple writing off the games as the same thing every year. For someone who is a writer, this kind of reply is unacceptable and clearly shows your biases towards anything non nintendo. Just because you dont appreciate something, doesnt make it bad.
Post by: nolimit19 on January 22, 2004, 02:07:55 PM
Post by: Kyosho on January 22, 2004, 02:08:13 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 22, 2004, 02:14:54 PM
And Hot Dog Vendor mode would make a great class/position in a MMO football title where every athlete and spectator is a single online player. Imagine. I do.
Post by: Deguello on January 22, 2004, 05:03:14 PM
"How can someone who is suppose to be a writer say something so biased and ignorant?"
Biased? Yeah. Everybody's biased. Ignorant? I think not. In Madden 2001, you play a game of virtual football. In Madden 2004, you play a game of virtual football. It doesn't change much. It's still football. More or less, I am correct.
"The 2004 game is much differant from the 2003 version, the playmaker feature being the biggest, most signifigant advancement."
Much different? I reckon it's still football. I'm sure I still run plays against a defense to get a ball into an end zone. And when they have the ball, it's time for me to defend. I've done all this before.
"You are obviously someone who isnt a fan of the real game and misses the subtleties of the Madden series, simple writing off the games as the same thing every year."
Yup. If I don't like playing virtual football, then I MUST NOT LIKE PLAYING FOOTBALL IN REAL LIFE, huh? What faulty logic. Funny you didn't talk about the Owner mode, because it sucks. And the Playmaker stuff doesn't really affect a damn thing. It's more of an audible call anyway. Yeah sure you can tell your blockers to go somewhere but it's still useless.
"For someone who is a writer, this kind of reply is unacceptable and clearly shows your biases towards anything non nintendo."
Point out where I said anything about Nintendo. Way to jump to conclusions. 2 for 2 on faulty logic, sir.
Post by: nolimit19 on January 23, 2004, 02:48:17 AM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on January 23, 2004, 06:57:40 AM
I wouldnt go that far.
"Biased? Yeah. Everybody's biased. Ignorant? I think not. In Madden 2001, you play a game of virtual football. In Madden 2004, you play a game of virtual football. It doesn't change much. It's still football. More or less, I am correct."
c'mon now, this is painting a picture with a awful broad brush. That like me saying Zelda, is just an adventure game like the last Zelda, change Hyrule for water and you pretty much have the same game. More or less I am correct as well, yet, I know the responce this kind of comment would generate.
"Much different? I reckon it's still football. I'm sure I still run plays against a defense to get a ball into an end zone. And when they have the ball, it's time for me to defend. I've done all this before."
This tells me you dont like football, period. Not just the virtual game, but the real game, and if this is indeed true, how can you expect to enjoy a great simulation of the real thing without any aprreciation of the real game. Football is about getting the ball into the endzone, and defending your endzone without the ball, yes, its a very simple premise.
"Yup. If I don't like playing virtual football, then I MUST NOT LIKE PLAYING FOOTBALL IN REAL LIFE, huh? What faulty logic. Funny you didn't talk about the Owner mode, because it sucks. And the Playmaker stuff doesn't really affect a damn thing. It's more of an audible call anyway. Yeah sure you can tell your blockers to go somewhere but it's still useless."
How is this faulty logic. Read my previous statements as to why I think you dont like the real game, it appears very obvious in your tone. As for the owner mode, I personally like it, again this is a matter of taste.
The playmaker stuff is where you are furthest off base. Yes, it is a form of an audible to a degree, but it is also so much more. It gives you as the QB a chance to read the defence and react to it like never before in a virtual game of football. As someone who played QB in highschool, and was a backup in University (yes, I wasnt good enough to start) I really have to say, I am stunned at the amount of control you have as a QB in this years version. Also the ability to break routes withs your recievers is a big plus.
"Point out where I said anything about Nintendo. Way to jump to conclusions. 2 for 2 on faulty logic, sir.
I admit I did jump to conclusions about the Nintendo part, but your posting history tells me it is a safe assumption, and one I would no doubt stick too. As for you not liking the real game, I would still bet that that is indeed the case. You also have yet to say whether or not this is true?
As for the game itself, the sheer number of people who would disagree with you on this subject tells me they must be on to something.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 23, 2004, 07:30:52 AM
Sounds like we found the difference. The difference between two editions of NFL, NBA, FIFA, whatever is new teams and a few more or less important features, the diference between two editions of THPS, NFS, GT, Street Fighter, UT, etc is new characters/vehicles, new features and NEW LEVELS! Now, why don't we add more different levels to games like Madden?
BTW, the only sport I enjoy in real life is hockey with ice hockey sticks and the only one I enjoy virtually is Deathball...
Post by: thecubedcanuck on January 23, 2004, 08:20:15 AM
You cant add more levels and still be a simulation. If you add levels you become more of a fantasy game, and less of a true sports sim.
" People complain about yearly releases of normal sports games, but I never heard people say that the new Tony Hawk's or Need for Speed was too much like the last one... Must be because these games have changing levels..."
I am not sure if that is the reason, although it surely may play a part in it.
Other than Tony Hawk, the other games arent really released yearly, and dont sell anywhere near the numbers of Madden. This could be a reason you hear less complaining about them.
Also a point to note is, who are the people who do the complaining in regards to yearly releases of sports title? I find most of the complainers dont even play the games. So I really dont understand what they are complaining about.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 23, 2004, 08:50:56 AM
Does anyone else see the irony of this statement? "If you don't like Madden you're a weak sissy but hey don't take it personally". I'd wager that a good 70% of the people who play sports games match the "too weak to play sports in real life" description in that they don't play on any sort of real organized team.
I think the general disliking of annual sports release comes from that fact that those games sell better than games that arguably deserve to sell better which naturally would piss off someone who is passionate about videogames. You can bring up all the differences between Madden 2003 and 2004 till you're blue in the face but that doesn't change the fact that you're not getting that much of a new experience by purchasing an annual update. If that money was spent on a shooter or an RPG or a platformer instead then you at least would be spending it on something that provides a completely different experience.
It's like how I like racing games but I've never bought more than maybe three racing games for a console because ultimately, like with any genre including football, there's only so much that can be changed. If you owned Gran Turismo 3, Mario Kart, F-Zero GX, SSX 3, and Burnout 2 do you really need to buy another racing game as opposed to something different? Not really because there's only so many variations of the formula to make it worthwhile to spend money on what would be a redundant game. It's ultimately the same with football. Do you really NEED to buy Madden 2004 if you already have 2003? Not really. It's not like you'll be missing out on some new gaming experience if you don't. Odds are any new features in 2004 that are actually worthwhile will still be in 2006 so why not wait until then and in the meantime broaden your horizons and support the creation of something new. Or at the very least change things up by buying Madden one year and a different football game the next.
From a pure gameplay persceptive there is no real reason that a Madden game should be released every year. If it weren't for roster updates no one would ever buy yearly updates because from a pure gameplay persceptive EA can take three years to really improve the gameplay. What should happen in the future is a Madden game is released every two or three years and has annual downloadable rosters. What's funny is I'll bet if that happened a lot of people wouldn't even buy the later version because they could just update the roster for their old game.
A big problem in the industry right now is that companies are afraid to try new things because there are a lot of blind sheep that won't buy anything if it's not from an established franchise. As a result the market is full of endless sequels. With annual releases sports games are the absolute worst offender for encouraging this sequel-driven attitude. Therefore any serious gamer who supports the creation of new content and originality isn't going to be too keen on sports games. It's because of endless sequel series like Madden that original games like Eternal Darkness, ICO, and Beyond Good & Evil bomb.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on January 23, 2004, 09:05:03 AM
Is it? Or maybe its because a large portion of the public doesnt take video games very seriously and has no interest in playing a game that takes 50 hours to complete.
I hate it when people blame games like Madden when titles like BG&E dont sell. Screw the serious gamer, or those who think they are and thus think they know better than anyone else. Madden sells well every year because enough people like to play it, it really is that simple. If enough people wanted to play a 50 hour adventure game then they too, would sell as well, but obviously they dont.
For me personally, I have no problem dropping a measly $50 a year on a game I like, for nothing more than roster changes and a few extra tweaks in gameplay. To me, it is worth it for the amount I time I will spend playing it. With this years Madden, I even get a signifigantly better gameplay experience.
Again this all boils down to personal preferance, and I for the life of me cant understand why so many here are offended by a game that sells well.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on January 23, 2004, 09:17:51 AM
I would think that 70% is outrageously high. I am thinking more like 20%.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 23, 2004, 09:22:43 AM
That has nothing to do with it. Casual gamers don't look at a game on the shelf like BG&E and think "boy that game's too long" they think "I've never heard of that game so I'm not buying it." Millions of people buy Final Fantasy games every year and those games are huge so I don't think it's the complexity or game length that is turning people off. Other RPGs don't usually sell as well as Final Fantasy even if they're made by Square Enix. The reason for that likely being that Final Fantasy is a very well known "brand" and Disgaea isn't.
Notice I didn't say Madden specifically is the reason other games bomb I said "endless sequel series" which includes series like Madden. If you don't think that there's too much reliance on sequels in today's industry you're being rather ignorant. As for why someone would be offended of a cookie cutter sequel series selling better than a new game it's because sales dictate what is made and what isn't in the game industry. Thus Madden selling well encourages the creation of more cookie-cutter sequels. BG&E not selling not only kills the potential for any future BG&E games but also discourages the creation of other new games.
Post by: nolimit19 on January 23, 2004, 09:38:06 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on January 23, 2004, 09:53:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Is it? Or maybe its because a large portion of the public doesnt take video games very seriously and has no interest in playing a game that takes 50 hours to complete."
That has nothing to do with it. Casual gamers don't look at a game on the shelf like BG&E and think "boy that game's too long" they think "I've never heard of that game so I'm not buying it." Millions of people buy Final Fantasy games every year and those games are huge so I don't think it's the complexity or game length that is turning people off. Other RPGs don't usually sell as well as Final Fantasy even if they're made by Square Enix. The reason for that likely being that Final Fantasy is a very well known "brand" and Disgaea isn't.
Notice I didn't say Madden specifically is the reason other games bomb I said "endless sequel series" which includes series like Madden. If you don't think that there's too much reliance on sequels in today's industry you're being rather ignorant. As for why someone would be offended of a cookie cutter sequel series selling better than a new game it's because sales dictate what is made and what isn't in the game industry. Thus Madden selling well encourages the creation of more cookie-cutter sequels. BG&E not selling not only kills the potential for any future BG&E games but also discourages the creation of other new games.
the bit about people not looking at games like BG&E is a good point. however, i believe that part of the reason people dont hear about games like that is because they dont take video games that seriously. when you buy a car, you look into the product, but with things like video games, movies, and music....they dont cost that much and people often buy these things spontaneously. i think its more so with video games because they are not covered as much by the mass media as the other two. video games will one day be on every news channel on a daily basis, but that day hasnt come yet. so now adays people have to LOOK for info on games by themselves, and the average person doesnt care enough to do that. average gamers say.."i want a snowboarding game" and their mom just goes out and gets them one (every time i am at cosco i see about 5 moms asking for advice on which game to get their kid). its an immature industry, but it is growing. back to football though....its just not a very practical sport to play on a daily basis. i play it about once a month at my church. and we usually barely get enough people to play. its a rough sport and a lot of people are scared to play it. madden is a good way to get your football fix imo, and to ME that is worth buying it every year....but like i said, i almost never pay full price for it.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 23, 2004, 10:00:15 AM
Post by: The Omen on January 23, 2004, 10:28:25 AM
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Do you really NEED to buy Madden 2004 if you already have 2003? Not really. It's not like you'll be missing out on some new gaming experience if you don't. Odds are any new features in 2004 that are actually worthwhile will still be in 2006 so why not wait until then and in the meantime broaden your horizons and support the creation of something new. Or at the very least change things up by buying Madden one year and a different football game the next.
The real question is, why do you care who buys Madden, or how many copies are sold? The problem isn't Madden selling well, its overlooked games not selling. I dont think theyre related in the least. Plenty of games sell well, and its not because people stopped buying Madden, or Mario Kart or whatever big name title is out at the time.
I NEED to buy Madden because i WANT to. It goes no deeper than that. I like having updated rosters and a few new features for a game i play about 10 months out of the year. Me buying Madden does not preclude me from buying Pikmin, or ED or Burnout 2.
Post by: vudu on January 23, 2004, 10:52:38 AM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on January 23, 2004, 10:59:41 AM
its the kids money to spend as he/she wishes.
"nd the reason i should care about this is because if enough people miss out in a game like beyond good & evil, it's not going to see a sequal. and, more importantly, developers like ubi soft will look at that and decide not to make new, interesting games. "
I can afford BG&E. I looked at it, read the reviews and decided the game is of no interest to me. I bought NHL 2004 instead. Had to have the Heatley cover.
Post by: Mario on January 23, 2004, 06:56:27 PM
Post by: Kyosho on January 23, 2004, 10:20:13 PM
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Madden is just a pathetic cash in on a popular sport, released at the right time of the year with the right advertising to attract casual idiots who have no idea which game to buy. They look at it, think "hey, it's football! I like football! That means i will like this game! I'm smart!", and they walk out of the store with their copy of Madden feeling really special. Then next year they do it again, then again, and again. Sure, it may be a good game, but that's what it is, one good game, not five. Owning one Madden game is fune, but I pity the fools who keep buying it over and over again when there are much better things that they could spend their money on. Oh well.
Stores like EB usually give you extra to trade in ur old madden games for the new ones. So called "casual idiots" who buy these games are usually people who are into sports. Madden has already made a name for itself since the SNES. I see no reason why people would not know much about Madden. When they walk into the store, they aren't even going to look at other games in the first place because simply they don't care for those.
Conclusion: There are a different types of players for a system, and all must be satisfied in one way or another. It goes to show you that there are people who LOVE sports similarly to how you LOVE 1st party titles.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 24, 2004, 12:13:31 AM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on January 24, 2004, 02:15:20 AM
THis is way out of line and totally uncalled for.
Just because you have no interest in something doesnt make it a waste of time. You are clearly showing your age with this comment and I for one would ban you if I had the power too.
If people want to buy Madden every year, it is their choice. If you think I walk into Wal-mart and buy Madden simply because I see "football" on the shelf, then you are sorely mistaken.
Post by: The Omen on January 24, 2004, 02:26:53 AM
Post by: DrZoidberg on January 24, 2004, 02:27:01 AM
but oh hay, i'm just a girly nintendo fangirl who doesn't play real sport and i'm probably gay. bring out more original games
oh hay, wasn't this thread about sales not pro / againsed the sporting genre and it's pointless yearly updates?
edit: mostly directed @ cubedcanuck
Post by: Mario on January 24, 2004, 02:28:45 AM
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Just because you have no interest in something doesnt make it a waste of time.
I know that.
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You are clearly showing your age with this comment and I for one would ban you if I had the power too.
Showing my age? Did you make out a wrinkle in that block of text or something? I don't see it.
How many Madden games do you own cubedcanuck, if you don't mind me asking?
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Mario, that is about the most ignorant statement i've read on these forums. I buy Madden every year. But i buy many games every year. Who cares what i spend MY money on? I buy what i like, not what advertisements tell me to like. But i guess since BG&E didnt sell, i should just buy it. If i buy that and not Metal arms, which sold much more poorly, wouldnt i be shunning MA?
Good for you, i have nothing against your purchases, keep buying what you enjoy. Hurray!
Post by: thecubedcanuck on January 24, 2004, 03:18:06 AM
I love sports games, they are by far my favorite genre of games. I am not a casual gamer, I own all 3 systems and have been gaming since the Atari 2600 days, I have a masters degree in finance, I am in my 30's and I buy Madden every year because I like it, because I want to, because I can afford too. It has nothing to do with hype, nothing to do with intelligence, and nothing to do with casual gaming.
As for your age Mario, no one who is of a mature age would make a comment as ignorant as yours.
Post by: DrZoidberg on January 24, 2004, 03:30:33 AM
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Why do you see the need to call people who like sports games casual gamers and morons?
I love sports games, they are by far my favorite genre of games. I am not a casual gamer, I own all 3 systems and have been gaming since the Atari 2600 days, I have a masters degree in finance, I am in my 30's and I buy Madden every year because I like it, because I want to, because I can afford too. It has nothing to do with hype, nothing to do with intelligence, and nothing to do with casual gaming.
As for your age Mario, no one who is of a mature age would make a comment as ignorant as yours.
nono, you miss hte point, ut's people who buy like -every- nfl game -every- year who are morons, buying one or two sports games a generation isn't anything bad, i own FIFA 2003 my self, ubt i wouldn't get 2004 or 2005 either, ther eisn't any point, also who gives a fuck if you have a buisness degree in anything, that doesn't make you any better/worse at anything (well except finance), you may like buying madden every year, but it's still moronic, it's still pretty much the same game, it's not like you would go back to madden 2k3 once owning 2k4, unlike being able to go back to Mario 1 after owning all the others. people who buy every NFL game they can every year are morons, why? because [see every reason in the thread]
Post by: Mario on January 24, 2004, 03:37:17 AM
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Why do you see the need to call people who like sports games casual gamers and morons?
I don't. I never said they were morons, i said a large percentage of them are idiots, who don't have anything better to buy. I'm not calling you an idiot, i'm not directing anything at you. If Super Mario Sunshine 2 was released, and had nothing but one more function of the water pack, i would not buy it, because i already own Super Mario Sunshine, so i would be paying full price for one new gameplay element, when i could buy say... Pikmin instead, and get hundreds of new gameplay elements i've never experienced before. That is actually a reality with Madden, the updates are so minimal, it feels like the same game. Why pay $50 for one new gameplay element, when you can get 100 for the same price? Eh?
Post by: thecubedcanuck on January 24, 2004, 03:54:53 AM
Because I can afford too, and that is how I choose to spend my money. Just because you do not like a game, does not make its purchace by someone who does unjustified. Calling a large number of the people who do buy it idiots is also way off base. Unless you personally have met these people you are basing their intelligence simply on your own biases and ignorance.
If I, or anyone else chooses to buy Madden every year for a few improvements, and updated rosters, it is in no way at all, any business of yours.
Post by: Renny on January 24, 2004, 06:26:43 AM
[grammar edit]
Post by: Bloodworth on January 24, 2004, 07:33:12 AM
