Post by: capamerica on August 21, 2006, 06:21:48 AM
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According to IGN, Miyamoto also told Nintendo Dream that Nintendo may remake existing GameCube titles and add full Wiimote support. "The machine is based on GC," said Miyamoto. "We'll be upgrading the development tools, but GameCube code can be used for the most part as is. In that sense, I believe that it would be good to remake GameCube games for Wii, and that some titles would become better with the change to the Wii remote controller."
Miyamoto said these revamped GameCube titles would be sold at a lower price than normal Wii games.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/726/726749p1.html
This could be pretty cool. We waited so long for Mario Kart and Mario Golf to make its way to the GameCube, this way we could get remakes that could tied us over till the actual sequels hit the Wii. Also think of all the people who didn't play the GameCube versions this will give Nintendo a huge library of games that won't cost them much money to make.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 21, 2006, 06:34:03 AM
edited to include wiiconnect/24
Post by: Strell on August 21, 2006, 06:39:07 AM
Unless certain games have added online play or enhanced graphics, I don't need them to waste time doing this.
It's one thing if they use it as a way to introduce new Wii owners to existing GC games that they might have missed, but it's another if all we get is Mario Baseball with added Wiimote support. That I don't care about. Give me Mario Baseball Wii, not Mario Baseball GC v1.2.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 21, 2006, 06:40:56 AM
Examples:
Mario Tennis was perfect. It would really be hard to make that game any better. However, with Wii Controlers it will feel like a completely new and original game again. Add one or two new characters and you have a Wiimake that would be cheap and effective.
Mario Golf is another example, and you could add 2 more courses to the game, and you would be set.
Luigi's Mansion with the same Mansion layout but new puzzles and ghosts, or even the old game and then an extra Mansion would be great with the controller.
You could even move this to the Virtual Console and have a nice Star Fox 64 with Wii Controls.
This is some of the best news ever. And Like BlackNMild said, it will really help fill gaps in game placement...and could be done fairly cheaply.
Post by: couchmonkey on August 21, 2006, 06:44:42 AM
I do like that Iwata is being so happy with the new control scheme, this news makes me that much more confident that Twighlight Princess Wii is going to be superior to the GameCube version.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 21, 2006, 07:16:47 AM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 21, 2006, 07:59:11 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 21, 2006, 08:04:40 AM
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Originally posted by: capamericaQuote
According to IGN, Miyamoto also told Nintendo Dream that Nintendo may remake existing GameCube titles and add full Wiimote support. "The machine is based on GC," said Miyamoto. "We'll be upgrading the development tools, but GameCube code can be used for the most part as is. In that sense, I believe that it would be good to remake GameCube games for Wii, and that some titles would become better with the change to the Wii remote controller."
Miyamoto said these revamped GameCube titles would be sold at a lower price than normal Wii games.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/726/726749p1.html
This could be pretty cool. We waited so long for Mario Kart and Mario Golf to make its way to the GameCube, this way we could get remakes that could tied us over till the actual sequels hit the Wii. Also think of all the people who didn't play the GameCube versions this will give Nintendo a huge library of games that won't cost them much money to make.
Bring on Geist and Batallion Wars, those games would be even better enhanced with the Wii controller (especially Batallion).
Post by: Ian Sane on August 21, 2006, 08:12:42 AM
I don't like the idea of old games being used to fill gaps. People suggest this sort of stuff with the VC as well. Old games don't count because someone might already have them so for them it's like Nintendo didn't release any game at all during that time. Plus this sort of stuff gets totally abused once the company thinks they can get away with it. The GBA is an obvious example. In 2002 Metroid Fusion was the ONLY non-port first party GBA game released. For all intents and purposes we received virtually no support from Nintendo for almost an entire year because they just filled gaps with the same Mario games we already bought on the NES and SNES. And people bought them and Nintendo knew they could get away with it and the "gaps" they were filling turned out to be 10-11 months long. Don't let Nintendo know you're their b!tch because they'll totally abuse it. It won't be used to to "fill gaps". It will be used to jerk us around with recycled content.
Post by: Mario on August 21, 2006, 08:20:43 AM
As for Wii Controller enhancements, well I can't imagine any GC game working better with the Wii controller because they were made for the GC controller.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 21, 2006, 08:46:51 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 21, 2006, 09:31:14 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"'wiimakes' will fill all the gaps that the GC schedule suffered from, hopefully with upgraded graphics, wiiconnect/24 and even wiimote control for some of the games, all at budget prices!! Sounds good to me."
I don't like the idea of old games being used to fill gaps. People suggest this sort of stuff with the VC as well. Old games don't count because someone might already have them so for them it's like Nintendo didn't release any game at all during that time. Plus this sort of stuff gets totally abused once the company thinks they can get away with it. The GBA is an obvious example. In 2002 Metroid Fusion was the ONLY non-port first party GBA game released. For all intents and purposes we received virtually no support from Nintendo for almost an entire year because they just filled gaps with the same Mario games we already bought on the NES and SNES. And people bought them and Nintendo knew they could get away with it and the "gaps" they were filling turned out to be 10-11 months long. Don't let Nintendo know you're their b!tch because they'll totally abuse it. It won't be used to to "fill gaps". It will be used to jerk us around with recycled content.
Well you have a point in that it would be terrible if Nintendo focused most of its creative energies on GC remakes (Not ports). But I don't see that happening, there is no reason why they can't have a dedicated Wiimake team and use their other resources to create fresh games (which they have alot of). If it hurts production of new Wii games, I say no to remakes, but if it doesn't then I am all for it because it hurts nothing and could make for some great experiences with flawed GC games. Like said elsewhere it will help to fill in gaps when there is a dry period (which happens with EVERY console) and will benefit both the gamer along with Nintendo. That sounds like a win-win to me.
Post by: JonLeung on August 21, 2006, 09:48:49 AM
So if the Wii becomes the super-hot thing to own, then there may be a slight boost in demand for GameCube games that people passed on, since they couldn't be bothered to get a GameCube, but can now play because of backwards compatibility on the Wii. One thing I suggested was for Nintendo to rererelease the Player's Choice games.
But for games stores that won't ever look back, perhaps "Wiimakes" could be an option. For some games, not all - as people said, new games are preferable to using up resources remaking games that Nintendo fans likely have already played.
It's an interesting dilemma, I think. I may be speaking prematurely but if the Wii has a shot at being #1 you're seeing a jump from last to first, putting GameCube software in a possibly interesting position - games people want that games stores stopped carrying.
Of course, the key about the Wii is its controller - people will buy the Wii for Wii games, and less so for GameCube games. So "Wiiified" GameCube games would make them appealing. The trick is in the balance - which games, and how much should they be Wiiified?
Post by: raptorspike on August 21, 2006, 10:48:53 AM
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Post by: Strell on August 21, 2006, 11:12:10 AM
Why not make Mario Wii Sports?
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Then no one bitches about the graphics and the game is basically done from the get go. They could sell it for $20 and make a damn killing.
Post by: thejeek on August 21, 2006, 11:15:23 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 21, 2006, 12:06:48 PM
Although I would be interested in the Wind Waker remake Bill mentioned, the way they intended to make it from the start (ie, with the cut dungeons and whatever else they had in mind).
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 21, 2006, 12:17:34 PM
Post by: Ceric on August 21, 2006, 12:22:46 PM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 21, 2006, 12:43:43 PM
Post by: Ceric on August 21, 2006, 12:50:04 PM
I would gladly sacrifice one of my hearts and kidneys to play the game that WW should have been. (Then I will regenerate into the 2nd Ceric with a slightly different personality and a new warddrobe.)
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 21, 2006, 01:02:04 PM
Post by: Ceric on August 21, 2006, 01:06:13 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 21, 2006, 01:29:02 PM
The feeling of Wind Wakers traveling was fantastic. When you travelled to another dungeon you didn't just move a few squares on the map and you were there. You moved across the entire map, and it really felt like you traveled. That was pretty cool.
If I had one change I would drastically increase the sizes of all the additional islands in the ocean and give them more purpose. Have larger side quests, and more mini dungeons in the island. I would also of had the triforce partially found in the water, and partially found in these mini dungeons.
Wind Waker is an interesting Zelda experience. In one aspect it is one of the BEST Zelda games created. Fantastic graphics, and environment with a story that is truly unique and different for the series. Dungeon design also took a huge advance in the game.
However, it also was one of the WORST Zelda experiences. The game was rushed cutting 2 dungeons, and the traversing the water was a love/hate experience. It added depth, but also took away many elements of the traditional Zelda land traversing.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 21, 2006, 02:03:37 PM
It didn't help that some of the dungeons were the islands themselves and obviously towered over the water. Where are the surprises? No strange little gateway in the Lost Woods you seem to eye above Saria early in the game that turns out to be -- holy sh!t -- it's a temple in there?! Where's the discovery?
THIS WEEK IS OFFICIALLY ZELDA HATE WEEK.
AUGUST 21, 2006
WE WILL NEVER FOGHAT
Post by: Artimus on August 21, 2006, 02:07:17 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 21, 2006, 02:09:30 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Dungeon design took several steps BACK. The cylindrical architectural features was over done -- 4 out of 6 dungeons were based on a cylindrical interior. All the dungeons had some kind of key cylindrical room. Talk about predictable and repetitive. "Oh, I guess I can proceed downward to where the boss is. Oh, I guess I can proceed upward to where the boss is."
It didn't help that some of the dungeons were the islands themselves and obviously towered over the water. Where are the surprises? No strange little gateway in the Lost Woods you seem to eye above Saria early in the game that turns out to be -- holy sh!t -- it's a temple in there?! Where's the discovery?
THIS WEEK IS OFFICIALLY ZELDA HATE WEEK.
AUGUST 21, 2006
WE WILL NEVER FOGHAT
QFT!
I am a Nintendo Fanboi and I dislike Wind Waker greatly! Nintendo sold-out with that game! I hurts me to spout such blasphemy but I must stay true to the tenets of quality, innovation, and good games forever!
But... back on topic.
As long as the new Wii-alized GC games come out at about $35 or so, then I've got no real complaints.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Magik on August 21, 2006, 02:18:59 PM
Post by: Strell on August 21, 2006, 02:29:49 PM
The whiners here seem like the kind of people who count all the oreos in the bag before eating any of them, and then bitch when they find out half a cookie is broken.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 21, 2006, 02:30:10 PM
"HEY, PLAY LAST YEAR'S GAME NO ONE CARED ABOUT, NOW WITH WII CONTROL."
OH. I've just discovered it's an old game no one cared about. No one will care about it AGAIN, ANYWAY!
LOGIC TRAIN IS NOW STOPPING AT FAILURE STREET & DEAD END WAY.
Post by: mantidor on August 21, 2006, 02:36:28 PM
Post by: Invincible Donkey Kong on August 21, 2006, 02:40:58 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 21, 2006, 02:46:27 PM
"I think this would be a great id..."
"NOPE, SUCKS"
"But you haven't let me f..."
"NOPE, SUCKS"
"Why!?"
"NOPE, SUCKS"
Post by: wandering on August 21, 2006, 02:59:39 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
I am a Nintendo Fanboi and I dislike Wind Waker greatly! Nintendo sold-out with that game! I hurts me to spout such blasphemy but I must stay true to the tenets of quality, innovation, and good games forever! And now excuse my while I go back to playing Sprung and comapring Halo to Grave of the Fireflies!
Post by: Kairon on August 21, 2006, 03:07:43 PM
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Originally posted by: wandering
I'd kill for a wiimote version of Luigi's Mansion.Quote
Originally posted by: Kairon
I am a Nintendo Fanboi and I dislike Wind Waker greatly! Nintendo sold-out with that game! I hurts me to spout such blasphemy but I must stay true to the tenets of quality, innovation, and good games forever! And now excuse my while I go back to playing Sprung and comapring Halo to Grave of the Fireflies!
HEY! Stop putting my own words out of context!
Besides, Sprung ROCKS!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: King of Twitch on August 21, 2006, 03:14:31 PM
Oh sure it would! They could make a foot-clip to clip the nunchucks to your feet. The Foot Zapper.
I'd rather buy several VC games but I like how they are branching out.
Post by: UncleBob on August 21, 2006, 03:18:45 PM
Post by: BigJim on August 21, 2006, 03:30:10 PM
Edit: Except maybe if they re-do Wind Waker at full resolution, and actually complete development this time.
And cut the world in half so there's less useless boating.
Post by: UncleBob on August 21, 2006, 03:48:11 PM
The chance of getting to purchase a *great* game at a *great* price for a *great* system is *great*. How many youngin's bought Link to the Past on GBA because they never got to play it on the SNES?
Post by: Caliban on August 21, 2006, 04:20:37 PM
Miyamoto stated that these redesigned GC games will have a significantly reduced development cost, which is why I believe they will be budget titles. Now I know most of us in these forums already have "these games" and might have no intentions of re-buying them, but imagine those that skipped the GC in favour of PS2, but now they deciede for the Wii instead of the of the expensive PS3, they will go to a video-game store and look at a good amount of AAA budget titles and I think their first idea is "wow, look at these great cheap Wii games, I think I'm buying a couple since they are so cheap, let me ask the clerk how good these games are...blah blah blah" = $$$$$$$ for Nintendo.
What was one of the main reasons Sony sold so many PS2s? budget titles.
Do you see the connection now?!
I know it that, in our Nintendo-hardcore-eyes, we see it as just a plain cheap way for Nintendo to rake in $, so we have to remember that above all else Nintendo is in it just for the business even if we don't agree with it.
One final word, if you are going to b!tch about this while you plan to get some VC action...well I think I made my point clear without saying much else.
Edit: damn MSN chatting and interrupting my posting, and then I read what Uncle Bob posts and I just go "arghhhh, damn you UncleBob!!!".
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 21, 2006, 06:36:56 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
This is plain ridiculous, just when I was past the whole TP thing Miyamoto comes up with this. Im dissapointed, why Nintendo wants to make the remote look like a true gimm!ck? because thats all they are doing with these ideas. And it also sounds lazy from them, instead of creating new games they will rehash games now? where the hell was the mantra "quality vs quality" left? I shouldve see this coming, but I had hope Nintendo wasn't going to be like any other money-hungry tacky company, what now? will they make breakable consoles a la sony to increase profits?. At this point I wouldn't be surprised.
Mantidor against a NIntendo descision? Who woudl have thought it! Heaven forbid Nintendo remake some GC games to fill in the gaps in between new releases adding more to the Wii game library which would probaly be smaller without the GC remakes. HORRIBLE, Nintendo needs to PHAIL now they are so arrogant and lazy.
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 21, 2006, 07:17:14 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 21, 2006, 07:37:08 PM
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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
This does seem pretty lazy, and at first I didn't like it, but then I realized that doing this would allow them to focus more on new and original titles. New content = good!
My only problem with this is if this would hurt production of new games, but if it is more of a side thing I see NOTHING wrong with it.
Post by: Mario on August 21, 2006, 07:39:09 PM
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Post by: BigJim on August 21, 2006, 07:59:27 PM
Post by: Bartman3010 on August 21, 2006, 08:01:37 PM
Either it means $19.99 budgeted purchases, or regular Wii games are $59.99
Post by: Khushrenada on August 21, 2006, 08:04:55 PM
Think about. They could add wii functionality to Mario Kart Double Dash. Then, they could test out the game and see what types of tracks work and what don't. They can then fiddle with ways to control. All of this research can then go into the next Mario Kart built specifically for Wii and will mean they can make a Mario Kart game that is absolutly perfect for the Wii.
Frankly, that's what they should be doing. Putting Wii in existing games and testing to know what's going to work for the future, thereby saving time of having to create whole new games from scratch and tinkering and experimenting with controls while many parts of the game or vision are missing or incomplete.
As for selling the old games with new controls, I'm not for it. I have not bought the Game Boy Advance ports of old Nes and Snes games. I just don't the need. I own all these games and there's been talk of being able to load old Nes and Snes games to a person's DS besides just being available on the virtual console. So, I'd rather wait and see. The same is with the Gamecube games. Some of these games I've put long hours into, like Rogue Squadron, F-Zero and Mario Kart. Wii functionality would be nice, but after having played the game for so long before, I'm not going to play it that much. I want something new.
If you want budget titles, that's what you can use the old gamecube games for. The system is backwards compatible. I've never owned a Gameboy Advance. But I have 5 GBA games now. That's because I bought a DS and thanks to Backwards functionality, I bought some games that I was interested in but never enough to buy a Gameboy Advance. I think the same thing could hgappen wioth Gamecube games. If a lot of people didn't own a Gamecube but were interested in some old Gamecube titles, chances are, if they buy a Wii, they'll take advantage of the backwards functionality.
If they do add Wii functionality to old games then I suggest one of the following:
a) They sell games in a compliation, like 4 or 5 games on one disc
b) they package the game with it's new original Wii counterpart, thereby giving extra value to the purchase.
c) they use it as a promotional item
Frankly, the best choice to me is b. It also has the added benefit of keeping people from ruining the joy and pleasure of experiencing the new control scheme in a game. If I played Mario Kart Double Dash with the Wii controls, what would be the thrill in playing the actual Wii Mario Kart? Sure, there'd be new courses and characters and most likely internet play. But playing it with the remote will have already been experienced.
This is why games like Mario 64 and Zelda: OoT were big. Games like Banjo-Kazooie, Donkey Kong 64, StarFox 64, Mario Kart 64 and Mario Golf were big. It was the first time these characters were in 3-D and their universes could be explored in 3-d. You were able to control them in these worlds with the analog stick for the first time. And it was a new gameplay you were experiencing for the first time. Metroid Prime was bigger than Metroid Prime 2. Why? First time experiencing Metroid in 3D. While there are other factors that can be argued, the truth is, the first time you play something with a new control scheme, it leaves a much larger impression than playing a second game with the same scheme.
That's my warning.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 22, 2006, 12:44:19 AM
QuoteGotta put all those newly graduated DigiPen students to good use and also get them some real.world.experience.
Originally posted by: UncleBob
A dedicated team of trainees even.
Post by: WalkingTheCow on August 22, 2006, 01:31:30 AM
Namely, those of us who have played all the gamecube greats will have a lot less reason to be excited about these "wiimakes". But for convertees it WOULD just be a nice incentive to play some great older games with neat new controls.
I hope they do it, and I also hope they don't do much of it. They should do it for the games that will benefit the most and not get out of hand. And I do agree that this is the sort of thing that you create a new team to do. This should absolutely not take away from the development of brand new games.
Otherwise. . . eh.
Post by: Ceric on August 22, 2006, 04:32:48 AM
Cubetoon Editorial it's sort of relevant
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 22, 2006, 04:45:30 AM
There are some games that really don't need vast upgrades each generation to be a new game. (Sports Games, Racing Games, ect.) And there are some games that are so classic that playing them over and over again is just great. So if you can get a game you love in a package with new controls for a budgeted price why not? If you don't want the game don't buy it.
Personally, I would love Nintendo to do this. Double Dash was a sweet game, and to be able to play the game with Wii Controls, and perhaps 2 new tracks or characters would be sweet.
A small development team or 2 could be designed to the ports, and at the end of the day we have a fantastic new experience to play, and Nintendo gets to focus on new games as well.
Remember Nintendo isn't just focused on a gaming revolution with how we play, but also working on actively reducing the cost of games for everyone, we should actually be thankful.
Post by: Ceric on August 22, 2006, 04:53:12 AM
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 22, 2006, 06:16:04 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Personally, I would love Nintendo to do this. Double Dash was a sweet game, and to be able to play the game with Wii Controls, and perhaps 2 new tracks or characters would be sweet.
That's one of the things I don't want to see. Double Dash broke a lot of what I liked most about the Mario Kart series. I'd greatly prefer a new Mario Kart game, and I know enough about how Nintendo works to suspect that they would not release a new Mario Kart until a couple of years after they release the Double Dash Wii-make.
On the other hand, some of their non-franchise games would be well suited to the treatment. Chibi Robo, for example, might be a fun experience if you actually did the scrubbing and digging motions. Plus, the controls were kind of imprecise to begin with, so it would be hard to mess them up. Luigi's Mansion might also work well, but for any game that might have a sequel on the Wii, what would be the point?
Post by: Mario on August 22, 2006, 06:57:23 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Double Dash it would be really cool if the designed the Tracks from Mario Kart DS full resolution and then scaled them down. That way you could just move those over and have all those tracks plus throw in Mission mode and more multiplayer battle style tracks. Also internet done the same way as MK DS. Though I thought there wasn't enough unlockables in either game.
LOL, that's a whole new game as far as Mario Kart goes. Just wait for Mario Kart Wii (which I hope turns out awesome)
They added about that much to Super Mario 64 DS and that was released as a new full priced game.
All I think they'd add to games are new controls and WiiFi functions. Actual full remakes would actually require a lot of effort. Too much effort to make doing this to more than a few games feasable. Mario Kart Double Dash would be awesome online because snaking isn't a huge an issue in it as it is in MKDS so it wouldn't be as broken. It's my favourite Mario Kart and i'd play it a lot more with this simple added feature.
Post by: Athrun Zala on August 22, 2006, 07:39:27 AM
remember kids, this time Nintendo is trying to cater those who HAVE NOT played those games yet....
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 22, 2006, 07:47:33 AM
<3 Daisy !!
Post by: Ian Sane on August 22, 2006, 08:54:21 AM
And you pro-wiimake people are being incredibly naive. You KNOW Nintendo will exploit this if it takes off! GBA ports? Numerous Pokemon rehashes? Like almost any company Nintendo will gladly resell you old product if they think they can. If this takes off we will have six month gaps where nothing but rehashed content is released. This is the game equivalent of double-dipping DVDs.
Post by: UncleBob on August 22, 2006, 08:56:05 AM
It just goes to show you what an excellent idea it is!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 22, 2006, 09:05:14 AM
QuoteYou have no indication that these "wiimakes" will take away from NEW game developments, like I mentioned earlier maybe they will probably farm these "wiimakes" out to beginner studios like DigiPen campuses that Nintendo sponsors or maybe new studios made up of newly graduated DigiPen students(something relatively low-cost).
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
There's a lot of talk about how this is good for all the people who didn't own a Cube like non-gamers and people switching over and such. That arguement makes me hate the idea even more because it now falls into the BIG issue regarding the whole non-gamer strategy: Nintendo focusing too much on new buyers at the expense of their existing fans. F*ck it! This console is backwards compatible and has the VC. If you want to play an older game then get off your ass and seek it out and let the rest of us get NEW CONTENT. "Well some people haven't played it yet" isn't a valid arguement to me because there's nothing stopping them from doing so.
And you pro-wiimake people are being incredibly naive. You KNOW Nintendo will exploit this if it takes off! GBA ports? Numerous Pokemon rehashes? Like almost any company Nintendo will gladly resell you old product if they think they can. If this takes off we will have six month gaps where nothing but rehashed content is released. This is the game equivalent of double-dipping DVDs.
And in order for Nintendo to resell me rehashes of old content I have to first be willing to rebuy that content, and since I haven't done it yet, I really don't see how it will affect me then. If you don't want it don't buy it, its obviously not intended for you so leave it alone. As long as Nintendo keeps their concentration on support through NEW games and 3rd parties do the same then I don't see what the problem is.
Also like someone else mentioned earlier, there are still a few games that I haven't bought yet and I'm waiting for the price drop to happen. If they "wiimake" these games with little improvements and release them at the budget price I was waiting for, then I feel like the winner in this situation, cause not only did I finally get the game I was waiting for at the price I was waiting for, but I likely got a superior version of it too.
Post by: JonLeung on August 22, 2006, 09:16:52 AM
People have been willing to buy Nintendo's remakes.
This has never really been a huge problem for Nintendo's ability to make new games. (Some of you have mentioned more than once that Metroid Fusion was the only first-party non-remake GBA game for all of 2002, but that didn't bomb the GBA, at all.)
And now people are complaining that Nintendo has explicitly stated that they may do what they've always done?
Seriously.
And come on...there are Wii controls mixed in now too. With the same GameCube architecture it's much easier (I imagine) that it could take less resources than a remake/port might take otherwise.
Post by: Caliban on August 22, 2006, 09:27:55 AM
lol
hmmm, where are those relax pills that i usually have to give to patient 91FK1F5?! damn don't tell me he's gone smile again, heck i'll just use k3 to put him back in place.
Post by: Garnee on August 22, 2006, 10:07:40 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on August 22, 2006, 10:18:13 AM
In that case there is no problem but history shows that won't happen.
"Some of you have mentioned more than once that Metroid Fusion was the only first-party non-remake GBA game for all of 2002, but that didn't bomb the GBA, at all."
No it didn't bomb the GBA but that's not the point. The point is that for almost a year my GBA was a fancy paperweight because Nintendo was content to resell SNES games instead. Much like the whole marketshare debate the issue is how it affects the userbase. There is a likely scenario that a lot of us will be stuck waiting for months for new first party games to show up. Yeah if Nintendo also makes a sufficient amount of new stuff it's all fine but I don't see how anyone can trust Nintendo to do so.
Post by: Kairon on August 22, 2006, 02:01:21 PM
The REAL question is, as ever, how third-parties will hold up their "newness" enthusiasm.
Hopefully Red Steel, Rayman, Heroes, Trauma Center, and Sonic: The Secret Rings are the rule rather than the exception, followed to a lesser extent by inclusive all-platform but Wii-enabled ports like Madden, C.O.D. 3, and NFS:Carbon.
Same situation with the DS. Nintendo, in the end, is delivering, and we're just wondering how long it'll take the majority of third parties to follow suit.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Ceric on August 22, 2006, 03:41:42 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 23, 2006, 05:30:16 AM
Or were Miyamoto's "Wiimakes" meant to refer to the now announced Super Mario Strikers Charged and BWii, games that are probably benefitting heavily from the GC-Wii development ease and are probably not attempting to push any boundaries graphically, such that they might even be re-using or simply re-vamping old assets and models?
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Ceric on August 23, 2006, 05:37:32 AM
