Post by: Rhoq on August 07, 2006, 11:40:25 AM
After experiencing XBox Live, I no longer feel that an on-line multiplayer mode isn't important. While it's not as important as a solid off-line gameplay, the on-line element adds a lot to the overall experience. Believe it or not, the first ever on-line multiplayer game I ever tried was Metroid Prime: Hunters for my DS (so you can blame Nintendo, ironically, for getting me hooked on on-line gaming).
I was just thinking, since a lot of people have cited that the lack of on-line support for the GameCube turned a lot of people off about buying the system would things have been different if the ‘Cube had been on-line? I really don’t know.
Thoughts?
Post by: Ceric on August 07, 2006, 11:54:02 AM
D came out Nintendo was already sure they were going to ditch the Cube and make another console instead of their original plan for a long Cube lifecycle. Things that support this:1) Digiadaptor never seeing the light of day really outside of Japan
2) Axing the Digital port to save a few bucks
3) Axing the Network Adapter and Modem even though it became obvious that this was the future
Yes the lack of online did hurt the Cube. The fact of the matter that they decided instead to make the Wii earlier then expected hurt the Cube. Nintendo saw that the system no longer had the potential to grow like the originally beleived it did and jumped that sinking ship. They had made to many bad decisions and needed a new slate. Hence the Wii.
So in short for the love of Mike yes the lack of online hurt the Cube. In more ways then one.
Post by: BigJim on August 07, 2006, 12:35:40 PM
Yeah, I think it hurt GameCube, but who's to say to what quantifiable extent... I don't think their market position overall would be much different. Though there would have been some really cool online games if only it were supported.
Post by: trip1eX on August 07, 2006, 03:53:17 PM
I think NIntendo just didn't have enough quantity in the game releases. Both Nintendo titles and 3rd party stuff. Plus MS spent $4 bil to buy a seat at the table and that hurt Nintendo. Of course MS is now $5 bil in the hole and counting. Nintendo I'm sure made money with the 'Cube and their 1st/2nd party 'Cube games plus 3rd party royalties.
It didn't help early on either that Nintendo didn't have any big 'American' title in their lineup. NO GTA. No Halo. No Fable. No GT. Maybe if RE4 or similar blood/gore/action title would have came out in the 1st year of the 'Cube's life things would have been a bit different.
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Post by: BiLdItUp1 on August 13, 2006, 08:14:11 AM
...and despite all of those bungles and missteps, the Cube sold only a million less than XBox in the US and clobbered it in Japan (but failed dismally in Europe, I think). That as much as anything gives me some more hope for Wii success. Many, though not all, of the Cube missteps have been rectified or are in the process of being rectified...here's to hoping.
Post by: Ceric on August 13, 2006, 01:59:06 PM
Post by: Mario on August 14, 2006, 03:03:57 AM
Nobody cares about the online stuff on DS now. (possibly because there aren't any WiFi games worth playing, but it still isn't really an issue to average joe)
Post by: Rhoq on August 14, 2006, 05:27:12 AM
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Thank you very much I think the look of the Cube is much more appealing then the XBox and the PS2 doesn't really fit in with a home entertainment system well either.
Same here. I've got my GameCube sitting on top of my living room TV. Because of it small size it's rather unobtrusive. My XBox sits on a table next to the TV on top of the DVD player, with my DirecTV receiver on top of the XBox. It doesn't look bad, but it doesn't look all that good, either. I figure the Wii will replace my GameCube on top of the TV and I'll most likely also upgrade to an XBox 360 at some point between the 2006 holiday season and Spring 2007.
Post by: Rhoq on August 14, 2006, 05:41:07 AM
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I think it hurt it's image a bit, but realistically most (90% of xbox) gamers just didn't go online.
I keep hearing that, but how accurate is that estimate? I know I got into the XBox very late in the game (I've only had mine for 4 or 5 months), but there always seem to be a ton of people on Live.
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It didn't help early on either that Nintendo didn't have any big 'American' title in their lineup. NO GTA. No Halo. No Fable. No GT. Maybe if RE4 or similar blood/gore/action title would have came out in the 1st year of the 'Cube's life things would have been a bit different.
I think the lack of GTA definitely hurt the GameCube. By the time it was no longer PS2-exclusive, it was probably already too late for Nintendo anyways (though the older games in the series, did flourish on the XBox, so who knows?). Nintendo definitely needed an exclusive, serious racer. I would have loved to see Midway resurrect one of my favorite N64 titles World Driver Championship. Mario Kart just can't compete with Gran Turismo, Project Gotham Racing, Forza Motorsports and Midnight Club. Sometimes you want something more realistic than kart-racing mascots.
As far as Resident Evil 4 goes, REmake and Zero were both released during the 'Cubes first year of release (Spring & Fall 2002, respectively). Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem was released during the Summer of 2002. The blood/gore/action games were there - the gamers weren't. The 'Cube could possibly end-up being the most under-rated system of all time. It's been a great 3.5 years for me (I got my GameCube as a Christmas gift from some friends in 2002).
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on August 14, 2006, 06:07:49 AM
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No. It probably helped it.
:rolleyes:
Post by: Neodymium on August 14, 2006, 07:36:42 AM
Some of them act as if the little Cube doesn't exist. And unfortunately, I don't see these gamers who I label "softcore" (their interests include Madden and FPS games) coming back for Wii. Of course, I can see it somehow feasible, but that's up to us. Wii is going to be a viral machine. You can expect Nintendo to botch marketing, at least early on like they have for every system post SNES. Even if the ads are somethign to be proud of, they won't saturate the airwaves or get the name out there like Xbox did. We, the Nintendo fans need to get our friends and family to try Wii. Last night, for example, I showed Wii to a few kids, none of whom are particularly large video game enthusaists. One was particularly impressed, but the other two were all "lol id rather have a controlar than sum lightsab0r WHISH WHISH", as they swung their arms around moronically.
We need to get the fun factor of Wii out.
Post by: Garnee on August 15, 2006, 12:11:13 PM
Internet gaming has always been a hassle for me. Lag, among other things, have absolutely ruined the experience of it. Online console games, in my mind, are still but a novelty. I recently played Prey online....awful. The experience was absolutely ghastly.
To be honest, I'd much rather have a steady flow of good single player games and one or two absolutely spotless multi game than every game trying to be the next Halo.
Post by: mantidor on August 15, 2006, 07:39:52 PM
Post by: Mario on August 15, 2006, 09:13:01 PM
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No. It probably helped it.
:rolleyes:
It did. A lot of parents wouldn't have bought it for their kids if it had something like Xbox Live stuck to it, and that's the biggest market of the GC considering Cars is the current top seller.
Post by: Nephilim on August 15, 2006, 10:32:24 PM
so I guess we will never know
but im sure ts2 would of become one of gc biggest games if it did
Post by: Ian Sane on August 18, 2006, 12:49:21 PM
I think it also demonstrated a negative attitude from Nintendo. With the Cube I found Nintendo typically gave off a vibe like they didn't really care. "If we're not interested in doing something then we're not going to do it. You get what we feel like giving you and that's it". That really wasn't the right image for Nintendo to project right after the N64. The N64 gave them this image of being behind the times and needlessly restrictive and the Cube just confirmed that. Someone who got burned by buying an N64 took one look at the Cube, saw a half-assed effort from Nintendo and thought "the hell I'm putting up with this sh!t again." I found the Cube to be a real bare minimum effort from Nintendo and I would easily consider it the weakest of Nintendo's four consoles (though we're talking some of the greatest consoles of all time in comparison so it's not THAT bad). One thing I like about the Wii is that Nintendo seems interested and excited again. I don't agree with many of their ideas for the Wii but they seem to care again and that's probably the biggest reason why hype is building up.
Post by: Kairon on August 18, 2006, 05:13:06 PM
Especially agreeable is your observation that a lot of what makes Nintendo exciting now is that they themselves seem excited about the future. Whether the observer is skeptical, like you are, or overall positive, like myself, there's no question that there's a sense of excitement and "what will happen" and high emotions in the future.
Oh, and I also agree with you about how Nintendo seemed to have their weakest showing of all their consoles with the GC. I myself criticize a lot of Nintendo's internal development efforts this GC generation, especially Wind Waker, and I also got the sense that Nintendo's GC efforts were never fully magical in the way that even N64 games were sure to be.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: animecyberat on August 23, 2006, 01:31:11 PM
I still think that it was a deciding factor persoanly because I know so many people who cite that as one of thier biggest complants about the cube.
But its not like devs didnt have the tools available to them, Sony didnt even make any 1st party online games did they? I think it was all like Ian said, just too many little thinkgs.
Post by: INeedToFinish on August 23, 2006, 01:35:00 PM
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Its debatable nonetheless. I mean PS2 had the same online structure as GC, game to game, but for some reason 3rd party devs took advantage of Ps2's feature but not GC.
Maybe because the ps2 was way more popular than the GC?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 23, 2006, 02:00:35 PM
But we do know Nintendo did "nothing."
Post by: animecyberat on August 23, 2006, 02:14:27 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 23, 2006, 02:20:07 PM
Sony worked hard for its share.
Nintendo didn't; they left the 'Autofail' box checked.
Post by: Rhoq on August 24, 2006, 03:53:58 AM
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Post by: jasonditz on September 09, 2006, 06:41:52 AM
PSO was fun for the Dreamcast, but as soon as they started expecting a monthly fee it stopped seeming so compelling. Everyone else is paying $10 a month for massive, static online worlds, and we're expected to pony up the same for what was little more than Diablo with guns?
