Post by: Donutt007 on August 04, 2006, 11:24:50 AM
If anything is incorrect or needs to be added let me know.
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Blitz: The League
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Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors
Elebits
Excite Truck
Far Cry: Vengeance
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers
The Godfather
Gottlieb Pinball Classics
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Madden NFL 07
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Metal Slug Anthology
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Monster 4x4 World Circuit
Need for Speed: Carbon
Open Season
Rayman Raving Rabbids
Red Steel
Splinter Cell: Double Agent
SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam
Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Wii Sports
33 games now! Updated 9/11/06
Post by: EasyCure on August 04, 2006, 11:27:47 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on August 04, 2006, 11:38:22 AM
I predict the final launch list will reach the 30 game mark.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on August 04, 2006, 01:21:05 PM
Post by: Donutt007 on August 04, 2006, 01:26:42 PM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
Aren't Project HAMMER and Day of Disaster launch titles?
They are still TBA. Although Project Hammer is saying Q4 2006.
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# Condemned: Criminal Origins (SEGA Corp.)
# FIFA Soccer 06 Road to 2006 FIFA World Cup (Electronic Arts Inc.)
# GUN (Activision)
# Kameo: Elements of Power (Microsoft Game Studios and Rare Ltd.)
# Madden NFL 06 (Electronic Arts)
# NBA 2K6 (2K Sports)
# NBA LIVE 06 (Electronic Arts)
# Need for Speed Most Wanted (Electronic Arts)
# NHL 2K6 (2K Sports)
# Perfect Dark Zero (Microsoft Game Studios and Rare Ltd.)
# Peter Jackson's King Kong: The Official Game of the Movie (Ubisoft)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 04, 2006, 08:06:32 PM
QuoteLaunch Window, Mario Galaxy is aimed to be released b4 Christmas, in the Wii's "Launch Window".
Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
Miyamoto said they'd like to have Mario Galaxy ready by launch but he wouldn't promise it. So until more is said I wouldn't count on Mario Galaxy at launch.
Post by: Ceric on August 04, 2006, 08:30:50 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 04, 2006, 08:37:34 PM
And what better Blockbuster selling game do you need than Mario for Christmas? If Mario can't sell atleast 1 million Wii's in December alone, then no one can.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 04, 2006, 09:20:02 PM
Post by: Nephilim on August 04, 2006, 10:22:53 PM
Finish galaxy and make a new game, dont need dry spells like gamecube
Post by: ShyGuy on August 04, 2006, 11:54:50 PM
Is there a place where we can find the launch lineup of other systems for a comparison?
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 05, 2006, 05:02:09 AM
I think MG would be ideal for a middle of 2007 launch when there might be a drought.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 05, 2006, 06:57:24 AM
Nintendo needs an overkill launch. It needs to make a huge splash and demand to be noticed and demand attention and respect.
Personally, I think since Smash Brothers is delayed til 2007, and the Zelda game is really just a Gamecube game with new controls. Nintendo needs Mario ASAP.
2007 will have enough great Wii games coming in the future...don't worry about that.
Post by: Hocotate on August 05, 2006, 07:29:28 AM
Post by: Ceric on August 05, 2006, 07:44:32 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 05, 2006, 08:48:43 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 05, 2006, 09:46:35 AM
I say Zelda & MP in October
MG in December
Wii is guaranteed to be in HUGE demand all through christmas and be basically sold-out on arrival through atleast Feb.
Especially if Nintendo is to release some of the games that are rumored to be announceed in Liepzig. on the 23rd and 24th of Aug.
Post by: Donutt007 on August 05, 2006, 10:21:18 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 05, 2006, 10:56:03 AM
I personally think Mario Galaxy would be definitely overkill for launch...They should hold it for the beginning of 2007, or even for the usually slow summer months...
Post by: Kairon on August 05, 2006, 12:27:29 PM
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Spak-Spang on August 05, 2006, 12:30:04 PM
We all complained about not getting franchise games out fast enough so that Nintendo can do new games. If Nintendo has Mario, Metroid, and Zelda out at launch, then Nintendo can start creating new franchises. Next year will have big games throughout no doubt.
Day of Disaster
That Kirby game that disappeared
Smash Brothers Brawl
Animal Crossing Wii
Lets not forget how easy the touch generation type games are to create.
A Wii Brain Age game could be interesting.
Nintendogs should be a nice Wii game as well.
And there are the mystery Wii games that Nintendo hasn't shown us yet. I don't want to wait...I want the games ASAP. And then when I get money available I will buy them. Variety is needed.
Just my two cents.
Post by: Ceric on August 05, 2006, 12:39:50 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 05, 2006, 12:52:24 PM
This is why I like the idea of Metroid/Zelda at the Wii launch, then Mario Galaxy at Spring/Summer 2007 to relaunch the Wii during the middle of the year (especially when key titles from PS3 and X360 will probably come out middle 2007 as well), then SSBM cementing Nintendo's 2007 Holiday line-up. And all around that, third party game releases, virtual console goodness, and new quirky games from Nintendo and others.
Looking at the DS, you realize that Nintendo needs a long string of hits (nintendogs -> brain age -> NSMB), rather than one lump sum of gaming.
Besides, looking at the sales of Mario Sunshine, you realize that Mario has long legs and will sell constantly for years no matter when in the calendar year it will launch.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 05, 2006, 03:22:31 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
I personally remember fondly the N64 days when huge Nintendo titles came out every 6 months for the first year. Mario 64 at launch, then Mario Kart 64 a little bit later, then StarFox 64 the august after the N64 came out.
This is why I like the idea of Metroid/Zelda at the Wii launch, then Mario Galaxy at Spring/Summer 2007 to relaunch the Wii during the middle of the year (especially when key titles from PS3 and X360 will probably come out middle 2007 as well), then SSBM cementing Nintendo's 2007 Holiday line-up. And all around that, third party game releases, virtual console goodness, and new quirky games from Nintendo and others.
Looking at the DS, you realize that Nintendo needs a long string of hits (nintendogs -> brain age -> NSMB), rather than one lump sum of gaming.
Besides, looking at the sales of Mario Sunshine, you realize that Mario has long legs and will sell constantly for years no matter when in the calendar year it will launch.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
I agree completely with Kairon's strategy, they should spread things out over the years. The reason for me providing the Xbox 360 lineup is that it was a quite strong if you go by average rating per game and hype, but they pretty much used up everything at launch. I think the next big game was Ghost Recon, that is something Nintendo does NOT want to do, as of now the launch lineup looks AMAZING without throwing in Mario, so why not save it for a time where it can sell Wiis (as Kairon suggested, a second launch of sorts in summer).
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 05, 2006, 04:03:50 PM
The Wii already has one of the most gamer lineups ever seen for any console, ever: there's enough hardcore gaming action in there to keep any respectable gamer busy for months.
And as we've observed, Mario can kick ass in the summertime. That'd be the best time to launch galaxy: your competitors are typically experiencing a drought and launching a Mario game is a great way to entice those who don't own a Wii to own one. You can basically catch the PS3 and 360 owners when they're bored and vulnerable.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 05, 2006, 04:43:43 PM
And I still believe that Nintendo needs to have a launch that screams not just quality (as in Zelda and Metroid) but quantity as well. And if Mario can be ready by December I want Mario out.
Post by: BlkPaladin on August 05, 2006, 06:14:58 PM
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Post by: Smash_Brother on August 05, 2006, 10:27:14 PM
Mario could rule the summer and SSBB could rule Christmas.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 05, 2006, 11:30:05 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 06, 2006, 02:11:23 AM
it took me > 5 minutes to type this post - drunk posting FTL
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on August 06, 2006, 06:30:40 AM
,,, like zelda.
Mario can wait; Nintendo is already going to make me buy WiiSports, WarioWare, Zelda, Excitetruck, and Metroid 3... then there's Red Steel, FarCry, a bunch of VC games, and probably one more title that I haven't thought about. That's $300 worth of software, and I won't even get to play all the third party titles that I want.
Post by: ThePerm on August 06, 2006, 07:48:04 AM
also, why not more sequals? nes had 3 mario games, snes had 2, n64 1, gc 1. They should have more than one out a generation.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 06, 2006, 08:38:35 AM
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Originally posted by: ThePerm They should have more than one out a generation.
True.
It sadly seems that Shiggy doesn't want to make Mario games as often anymore.
Post by: Ceric on August 06, 2006, 09:33:49 AM
Post by: WalkingTheCow on August 06, 2006, 10:57:36 AM
In fact, about 10 days ago or so I saw a commercial for the game on TV which displayed the Wii logo with the other systems the game is for. It was the first mentioning of the Wii I had seen on television.
Post by: UniversalJuan on August 06, 2006, 11:58:14 AM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on August 06, 2006, 12:45:16 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 06, 2006, 01:28:13 PM
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Originally posted by: Stimutacs Addict
I've picked up Link, Ness, and Fox this summer (i know, waited quite a long time to start playing as Fox, but I felt like mastering the God tier character while I wait for Wii), but I don't know what I'm gonna do if I have to wait another 14-15 months!!
Wait longer?
. Seriously, you will appreciate the game even more the the longer it takes for it to come out, especially since that gives it that much more time for refinement. I remember the agnony waiting for games like Mario 64 or Zelda OOT, but when they came out my appreciation went through the roof.
Post by: Kairon on August 06, 2006, 04:02:23 PM
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on August 06, 2006, 06:52:31 PM
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Post by: Nephilim on August 06, 2006, 10:13:41 PM
with the abilty to send more levels and updates, there is NO reason for nintendo push back a game for 6months to polish like we have had to put up with with n64 and gamecube.
Release the games as the finished, and then make a new one
pushing back mario for 6-12months when its finished is just stupid
people like sequals, if there quality games then people will buy them
Post by: Requiem on August 06, 2006, 10:18:38 PM
You cannot expect Nintendo to release 8 or so major games this console cycle. You refer to the old days, but you musn't forget how easy it was to develope a game back then. Sure it still took time, but now-a-days it doesn't even compare.
That said, I do expect Nintendo to fund or outsource many titles, simply because they seem to have an emperialistic view these days. Their "non-gamer" motif is proof in of itself. Also, with the VC in effect, new poorly funded companies will actually have a chance to grow. Plus, it wouldn't surpise me if Nintendo used that feature as a "screen" for talented, yet vaible game studios. Meaning more games in the end for us.
And their "non-gamer" attitude will breed even more games. If you think of it as countries, the "non-gamer" world is like an uncharted hemisphere far bigger than the game-world knows now. If Nintendo can tough it out for a couple of years, they can herd enough of the population to make "non-gamer" games an advantagious market to big companies other than themselves. Essentially making "New games for new people." (Nintendo, if your reading...you can have that slogan)
This might bring in a great deal of marketshare allowing Nintendo to garner far greater support than has been seen in a good while. Yet, they could still draw-in companies who want to make traditional games with: A lower admission fee; An innovative controller (which allows for even small companies to be taken seriously; f.g. Nibris); And (hopefully) a larger marketshare.
Ahh...yeah. /rant
Post by: Kairon on August 06, 2006, 10:35:41 PM
Of course, the idea behind having a Mario Galaxy June-July release and a SSBB October/November release is that this gives third party games, and new Nintendo IPs more breathing room in-between.
Also, one has to wonder what exactly the timetables can be for Wii development. A Fall SSBB launch gives that game about 1year 4 months dev time assuming a start date of July 2006 (which was the last day to apply for a job to the team!). Likewise, Mario Galaxies must be a game being pushed real hard, since because it's team core is the Donkey Kong; Jungle Beat team, they couldn't have started any earlier than March 2005 (the release date of Jungle Beat).
Actually, looking at those dates, Mario may hit their 1.5 years in development mark at September or October 2006. This usually suffices for a launch game, or a plain 'ol AAA title, but of course, we are talking about a Mario game. AND, this is only assuming that principal development of Mario Galaxy started right after the Jungle Beat team finished up, which is most likely false. It is probably safe to assume that mario Galaxy will hit the 1.5 years in development mark in December 2005, giving the team about 2-3 months between the Jungle Beat Project and start of Mario to do general small tech demo designs, to have Miyamoto decide he wants to put them on Mario, and to have them take a little break time.
Likewise, let's peg August 2006 as the start date for SSBB, a game that existed on paper until they finally finagled the game's producer away from indie projects, and set him up with his own studio, which, I'm assuming (thanks to some documents long lost to the internet) stopped hiring as of June 2006. This means that by November 2007, SSBB would've been 1 year and 5 months in development.... which we're hoping SHOULD be enough for a AAA game developed on the Wii.
Anyways, all of my speculation only serves to... what? I don't know what I've just done. ARGH! I want an hour of my life back!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Kairon on August 06, 2006, 10:44:38 PM
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Originally posted by: Requiem
Seriously, guys....
You cannot expect Nintendo to release 8 or so major games this console cycle. You refer to the old days, but you musn't forget how easy it was to develope a game back then. Sure it still took time, but now-a-days it doesn't even compare.
QFT. Seriously, how can you expect Nintendo to release a large number of games when Mario and Zelda games are known to take 150-250 people anywhere from 2-2.5 years to make?
What's more important is that while we have these large flagship titles, Nintendo also amasses a number of third-party, new IPs, second-party, non-gaming titles and VC titles that can support and add spice and breath variety and dynamism into the console without the dependency on one-shot biggie titles.
~Carmin M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 06, 2006, 10:58:17 PM
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Originally posted by: KaironQuote
Originally posted by: Requiem
Seriously, guys....
You cannot expect Nintendo to release 8 or so major games this console cycle. You refer to the old days, but you musn't forget how easy it was to develope a game back then. Sure it still took time, but now-a-days it doesn't even compare.
QFT. Seriously, how can you expect Nintendo to release a large number of games when Mario and Zelda games are known to take 150-250 people anywhere from 2-2.5 years to make?
What's more important is that while we have these large flagship titles, Nintendo also amasses a number of third-party, new IPs, second-party, non-gaming titles and VC titles that can support and add spice and breath variety and dynamism into the console without the dependency on one-shot biggie titles.
~Carmin M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Great points Kairon, I think we will all be much happier with a delay for Mario Galaxy and SSBB. Like I said before the Wii lineup is strong enough without being too bogged down with Nintendo's AAA titles, this will give consumers the chance to try out 3rd party games. I know as a gamer, I tend to try more games out during launch than any other time (especially the DS, about every new game, no matter who made it was a must have lol). So let's give the 3rd parties a break, it will end up rewarding us gamers later on, not only from increased 3rd party support but two perfected AAA titles in Mario Galaxy and SSBB.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 07, 2006, 10:56:57 AM
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Originally posted by: UniversalJuan IF I have to wait longer than Spring 2007 for my Brawl due to the comments posted here, it just won't be pretty...I want Brawl NOW.
Stop RIGHT there!
It was the rushing of SSBM which left so many blatantly unfinished and unpolished aspects to the game. Under no circumstances should they rush Brawl.
I don't care if it takes until 2008: I want them to spend all the time they need on that game, period.
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QFT. Seriously, how can you expect Nintendo to release a large number of games when Mario and Zelda games are known to take 150-250 people anywhere from 2-2.5 years to make?
Easy: you take some of the $800 million the DS made LAST year (forget this year...) and spend it on opening new dev houses.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on August 07, 2006, 11:21:16 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 07, 2006, 11:47:44 AM
The speed of the game will be “moderated,” and it was also mentioned in another update that “easiness” will be stressed in Brawl over the “finer details of combat.” What does this mean for us? Well, that the game will probably be a little easier to play.
Speed makes entirely too much of a difference and I hope that, if nothing else, they fix that. SSBM is just a competition to see who has the best reflexes and one of the primary reasons I loved the original is because it managed to avoid that kind of Street Fighter edge where speed was everything.
The tiers make a colossal difference: I'm a sh*tty Fox player and an excellent Bowser player, but I can still lose with Bowser while I never lose with Fox because his speed just makes so much of a difference.
If Brawl could just resolve this, I'd be satisfied with the game.
Post by: Requiem on August 07, 2006, 11:58:10 AM
The original is un-playable now.
Post by: Arbok on August 07, 2006, 12:37:50 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
It was the rushing of SSBM which left so many blatantly unfinished and unpolished aspects to the game.
Oh yes, what a pile of crap that game was. It was so clearly thrown together at the last minute and hardly even worth buying in its present state...
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
SSBM is just a competition to see who has the best reflexes and one of the primary reasons I loved the original is because it managed to avoid that kind of Street Fighter edge where speed was everything.
The tiers make a colossal difference: I'm a sh*tty Fox player and an excellent Bowser player, but I can still lose with Bowser while I never lose with Fox because his speed just makes so much of a difference.
When was the last time you played the first? Honestly, a lot of the changes done for Melee (except to Kirby) improved the characters quite a bit in terms of balance.
For example, they actually nerfed both Fox and Captain Falcon in Melee, reducing Fox's defense and Captain Falcon's damage. The characters were both even more broken in the first game, so I don't see how one could claim that this wasn't a problem before when it clearly was. Especially given how powerful grabs used to be before they were fixed, giving a huge edge to Fox, Falcon and Pikachu who could perform them better on account of their agility.
Also, speed is not everything in Melee, as characters like Ganondorf can more than hold their own. The problem with characters like Bowser is simply that he sucks, with his only advantage being his huge defense while he is very slow, lacks range in his attacks and deals unimpressive damage.
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Originally posted by: Requiem
I don't how anyone could bitch so much about SSBM. It is the greatest fighter ever made. Period.
The original is un-playable now.
Requiem = My hero
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 07, 2006, 02:10:23 PM
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Originally posted by: Arbok Oh yes, what a pile of crap that game was. It was so clearly thrown together at the last minute and hardly even worth buying in its present state...
Reasons SSBM was clearly rushed:
1. The texture on Roy's legs doesn't properly connect to his torso.
2. No actual "Random" button in the character select screen.
3. The character select screen in general was shoddy.
4. The CPU AI will not use certain moves, likely because the programmers did not have time to ensure that the AI wouldn't kill itself (JP's sleep, rollout, Yoshi's egg, etc.).
5. The tiers favor speed over all else, period.
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Also, speed is not everything in Melee, as characters like Ganondorf can more than hold their own.
Umm, no.
When a Game Over tournament (biggest SSBM tourney in the country) is won by a 'dorf player, or ANY player aside from Fox, Falco, Marth and Shiek, I'll reconsider.
Until then, the tiers clearly dictate that speed >>>>>>>>> all else.
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The original is un-playable now.
My copy was stolen and I can't be troubled to keep my N64 around, but SSB could easily be my first VC title.
And could we PLEASE not discuss this here? This never goes anywhere because the debate is based on OPINION and those don't change.
I'm just saying that I hope Brawl spends ample time in the oven. I don't want another SSB game with incomplete textures, AI which doesn't utilize the character's entire moveset and tiers which dictate that, if I want to have a serious chance at a tournament win, I must select from one of only four characters.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 07, 2006, 02:34:25 PM
I'm getting RayGuy, Red Steak, Monkey Nads, Twilight Flop (both Flop versions), Metroid Low Quality Graphics, Hot Nurse Center and BIG DAMN TRUCKS for sure at launch.
Post by: Requiem on August 07, 2006, 02:39:05 PM
Pro: That's most likely what I'll get, except maybe not monkey nads. I might replace that with WiiSports.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 07, 2006, 02:52:28 PM
Post by: Ceric on August 07, 2006, 02:54:08 PM
Post by: Nephilim on August 07, 2006, 02:56:37 PM
Reasons SSBM was clearly rushed:
1. The texture on Roy's legs doesn't properly connect to his torso.
2. No actual "Random" button in the character select screen.
3. The character select screen in general was shoddy.
4. The CPU AI will not use certain moves, likely because the programmers did not have time to ensure that the AI wouldn't kill itself (JP's sleep, rollout, Yoshi's egg, etc.).
5. The tiers favor speed over all else, period."
exoliting the game doesnt make a good player, just because melee doesnt ban broken characters like everyother fighting game tourament on earth
1. and? iv played many games with minor glitches like that
2. maybe they ment not to have a random button, clearly the system they used works
3. again this is the system they choose
4. so? iv played games were ai suicides too much, making them not pull of surtain moves is just a saftey net
5. again because they exploit cheap chain combo's
game was made by HAL, they had a quirky system for choosing stages and people
they tried to make it VR, even having the abilty to turn the screen, I do not know how you can see it as rushed because they took this style
Post by: Arbok on August 07, 2006, 03:02:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Reasons SSBM was clearly rushed:
1. The texture on Roy's legs doesn't properly connect to his torso.
2. No actual "Random" button in the character select screen.
3. The character select screen in general was shoddy.
4. The CPU AI will not use certain moves, likely because the programmers did not have time to ensure that the AI wouldn't kill itself (JP's sleep, rollout, Yoshi's egg, etc.).
5. The tiers favor speed over all else, period.
That's a pretty lame list to try and convince someone that SSBM was clearly rushed. The game's random selection is done through picking outside of the characters to the left or right... and that's rushed? I guess it couldn't have been done because a full menu would have looked uglier with two "random" places to the left and right? Also the computer DOES use moves like Yoshi's Egg, but I have never seen them use Sleep because, let's face it, you'll have a hard time hitting with that unless the opponent isn't aware what Jiggly is able to do.
As for the unbalance, well I hate to break it to you but every fighter with any level of distinct characters have a tier to them. SSB:M was no way one of the worst I have seen though, especially considering how many variables there are with levels and items.
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Umm, no.
When a Game Over tournament (biggest SSBM tourney in the country) is won by a 'dorf player, or ANY player aside from Fox, Falco, Marth and Shiek, I'll reconsider.
Until then, the tiers clearly dictate that speed >>>>>>>>> all else.
I have seen Gannondorf players hold their own in the Japanese tournaments. Do they win the whole thing? No, but then the character is still more than great in capable hands. You also have to figure that with the inclusion of items that aren't found in the torunament place that it changes things a little, as more defense becomes more important with things like Pokéballs in the mix.
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And could we PLEASE not discuss this here? This never goes anywhere because the debate is based on OPINION and those don't change.
You brought it here, however random it seemed to start knocking Melee in a Wii launch title thread.
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
...if I want to have a serious chance at a tournament win, I must select from one of only four characters.
I suggest you watch more tournament videos, as people have made it to the semi-finals with Peach, the Marios, Link and others. It's not as close minded as you make it out to be.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 07, 2006, 07:57:40 PM
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I suggest you watch more tournament videos, as people have made it to the semi-finals with Peach, the Marios, Link and others. It's not as close minded as you make it out to be.
So you're saying that, if I practice extremely hard with Link, I can strive to get 4th place in tournaments?
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You brought it here, however random it seemed to start knocking Melee in a Wii launch title thread.
No, but when I make a comparison to Melee when talking about Brawl (which is inevitable considering it's its predecessor), people feel the need to come forward and defend the game as though they're the ones who developed it or something.
It was rushed. We KNOW it was rushed. It lacked the polish that most Nintendo games have in the way of some clunky interfaces and absolutely broken characters.
So I reiterate, let them take as LONG AS THEY NEED WITH BRAWL. I was in the camp of people who couldn't wait to get Melee no matter how quickly it came. Had I known then what I know now, yes, I WOULD have put it back in the oven for another few months. It's a great game, but it was rushed and I feel it suffers as a result.
I'm insanely glad that Nintendo will have such a killer lineup of software for 2006 because it buys Sakurai the extra time necessary to polish the game, something which Melee didn't have because it was rushed out, and I don't care how much you love the game, IT WAS RUSHED TO MAKE DEC 3RD RELEASE.
Now, unless someone wants to argue that the game wasn't rushed despite the fact that Sakurai has SAID that it was rushed and we even have the Akenia stage which didn't make it into the game to PROVE it, can we please DROP the subject?
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Originally posted by: Professional 666and BIG DAMN TRUCKS for sure at launch.
I don't think BDT is a launch title.
They showed it off, but I don't recall them ever making it official that it would be ready for launch.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 07, 2006, 08:03:18 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 07, 2006, 08:09:46 PM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution
I hate to say it but I think Smash has a point with character balance in SSBM, but since I would never get good enough to even get 550,00th place so I don't think it matters that much to me.
With 1v1 internet play (which Sakurai is trying for), it WILL matter.
Of course, maybe this will open the door to downloadable tweaks and updates in brawl. I know that there was a change to Bowser in later versions of the game where they nerfed his fire breath to not activate more quickly in the air (which is ridiculous, considering he's bottom tier).
Speaking of net play, we need a list of which launch titles will have ONLINE components...
Post by: IceCold on August 07, 2006, 08:22:42 PM
Post by: Arbok on August 07, 2006, 08:33:37 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
So you're saying that, if I practice extremely hard with Link, I can strive to get 4th place in tournaments?
Is that something to sneeze at? Even playing Marth you are going to have to practice your ass off to even qualify, so I don't see what you are aiming at complaining that someone was able only able to get 4th with someone that you had original stated to be nearly unplayable in the tournament environment.
The fact that some have a learning curve to play them best never bothered me either, and I love it when I see someone master the "sliding" rush for Luigi, which is very scary to see pulled off.
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No, but when I make a comparison to Melee when talking about Brawl (which is inevitable considering it's its predecessor), people feel the need to come forward and defend the game as though they're the ones who developed it or something.
It's a message board. If you slam a game, even in a topic unrelated to it, you can expect response if people disagree with your assessment.
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It was rushed. We KNOW it was rushed. It lacked the polish that most Nintendo games have in the way of some clunky interfaces and absolutely broken characters.
Yet it was the most beloved game for the Gamecube. Stop overblowing its faults. You are acting like this was a game that could have been good, but blew due to its development process. Every game could have benefited from more development time, and Melee was no exception, but that hardly did anything to stop it from being one of the best offerings last generation.
Also, the interface was anything but clunky, and I loved the design and ease of navigation given the incredible amount of options they featured.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 07, 2006, 09:54:37 PM
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Originally posted by: Arbok Is that something to sneeze at? Even playing Marth you are going to have to practice your ass off to even qualify, so I don't see what you are aiming at complaining that someone was able only able to get 4th with someone that you had original stated to be nearly unplayable in the tournament environment.
All I'm saying is that I would have rather had the game BALANCED than its current state, and yes, when I can be a crap Fox player and STILL win 9 of 10 games simply because of the speed, I do think it's a problem worthy of note.
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It's a message board. If you slam a game, even in a topic unrelated to it, you can expect response if people disagree with your assessment.
I'm trying to keep this from erupting into another of THOSE threads before Vudu comes in and calls us for it.
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Yet it was the most beloved game for the Gamecube. Stop overblowing its faults. You are acting like this was a game that could have been good, but blew due to its development process. Every game could have benefited from more development time, and Melee was no exception, but that hardly did anything to stop it from being one of the best offerings last generation.
How does any of that change the fact that Brawl has potential to be a drastic improvement over it by balancing the characters and refining the gameplay?
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Originally posted by: Requiem SB, are you the type to over analyze everything? Cuz, if so...good luck getting a girl mate! (P.s. I'm kinda joking)
Actually, it's killed at least one of my past relationships.
Also, were the Ubi 5 (oh sh*t! deja vu...) ever confirmed as launch titles or are they still technically launch window titles?
Post by: Arbok on August 07, 2006, 11:43:46 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
All I'm saying is that I would have rather had the game BALANCED than its current state...
Who wouldn't?
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...and yes, when I can be a crap Fox player and STILL win 9 of 10 games simply because of the speed, I do think it's a problem worthy of note.
I would fully agree... if that were even remotely true. You are not going to see a Fox player with only 2-3 matches under their belt take on, and win against, a seasoned player who has picked Bowser. It's just not going to happen. You also have to consider that a 1vs1 match is very different from a 4 player free-for-all, where things like Fox's defense become much more of an issue.
The game does have tiers though, no one can say otherwise, but you keep blowing them way out of proportion to try and prove your point.
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How does any of that change the fact that Brawl has potential to be a drastic improvement over it by balancing the characters and refining the gameplay?
In absolutely no way, nor was it even directed at it. I have high expectations from Brawl, as it's currently my most anticipated game.
I'm interested though, since you seem so bent out of shape about the balance in Melee: if Brawl was released with the same degree of tiers found in the previous two games, do you think you'd dislike it?
Post by: Nephilim on August 08, 2006, 12:38:27 AM
its not like KOF were orochi iroi will always have high priority moves and super powered attacks and juggles
people like fox were not designed to play as they do now, meaning they will be totally different which a few moves remaining
people seem to think that HAL will look at online vids and go "wow there awsome" lets build our game around that, instead its proberly more like nintendos view on powersliding in mario kart DS
Post by: ShyGuy on August 08, 2006, 02:55:14 AM
Post by: Ceric on August 08, 2006, 04:24:50 AM
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Oh wait there's nothing on it.
Also last I heard developers are either just getting the WiiConnect24 stuff or haven't gotten it yet.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 08, 2006, 07:02:13 AM
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Originally posted by: ArbokThe game does have tiers though, no one can say otherwise, but you keep blowing them way out of proportion to try and prove your point.
My point is that there are tiers and having tiers (especially when they're based completely around speed) is a shame because then you no longer can simply play the game in duels without considering the abilities of the character in the equation. IMHO, personal skill should be the ONLY aspect of a fight that matters. I shouldn't have to say, "I won, but I used _____."
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I'm interested though, since you seem so bent out of shape about the balance in Melee: if Brawl was released with the same degree of tiers found in the previous two games, do you think you'd dislike it?
If they were more like the tiers in the first game (not based on speed) it'd be tolerable. It's when you can't even hope to get a hit in that the characters become truly broken.
I don't think balance in a fighting game is too much to ask. The whole point of SSB is to provide a fighting game with a fun backdrop of "Could character X beat character Y?". That whole novelty vanishes if you know who can beat who right off the bat.
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melee fans will just have to accept that brawl will be a new game
its not like KOF were orochi iroi will always have high priority moves and super powered attacks and juggles
people like fox were not designed to play as they do now, meaning they will be totally different which a few moves remaining
people seem to think that HAL will look at online vids and go "wow there awsome" lets build our game around that, instead its proberly more like nintendos view on powersliding in mario kart DS
That would be all I truly want from Brawl.
As for online, I know it was mentioned that they were looking into some way to bring Wiiconnect24 into TP, at the least.
Post by: Strell on August 08, 2006, 07:06:59 AM
SSBM rocks.
If you don't like it, you need to stop gaming.
Seriously.
Post by: Ceric on August 08, 2006, 07:17:41 AM
Anybody play Marvel Vs. Capcom 2? Ever play Roll? She seemed to take more damage, had a steep learning curve, and was a small character to boot. I've heard stories of people wiping the floors with everyone with her. Is she broken? No it took hours upon hours of dedication to get that good with her. /rant
Now SSBB will not be launch. As of know I do not know of any online confirmed games but at Leipzig I'm sure at least one will have the ability. Anybody seen a picture of the invite to the Pre-Conference Nintendo get together?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 08, 2006, 07:24:56 AM
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Ok I have the list of confirmed online games....
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Oh wait there's nothing on it.
Also last I heard developers are either just getting the WiiConnect24 stuff or haven't gotten it yet.
I'm sure most developers are bound by NDA's and can't say nothing about online versions of anything.
Ubisoft was quoted saying something to the effect of "We talk more about online once Nintendo has released more information about it." and I'm sure other developers have said something similar too.
Post by: Arbok on August 08, 2006, 07:56:22 AM
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melee fans will just have to accept that brawl will be a new game
I don't doubt it, much in the same way that the overall play style was changed from the first to second. I don't think anyone is openly resisting changes that the team might bring to the game either in any of these posts.
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
My point is that there are tiers and having tiers (especially when they're based completely around speed) is a shame because then you no longer can simply play the game in duels without considering the abilities of the character in the equation. IMHO, personal skill should be the ONLY aspect of a fight that matters. I shouldn't have to say, "I won, but I used _____."
For the love of god, it's not that bad. You are acting like this is Pokémon with the legendaries or Oddjob in Goldeneye. No one is that bent in Melee that you might as well give up before you even start. Every fighter has tiers, you will have to accept that. There are some issues with Melee of course that need improvement, but it doesn't cripple the game in any respect or cause for characters that should currently be banned from multiplayer use.
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If they were more like the tiers in the first game (not based on speed) it'd be tolerable. It's when you can't even hope to get a hit in that the characters become truly broken.
You sound like someone who lost against an opponent playing Fox in Melee and rather than blame it on your own skills you simply said: "this is broken, this sucks, I'm not playing if you are going to be this cheap!"
Play the first game again. The tiers are even worse there, as Captain Falcon is far and away the most powerful character, while it's hard to stop a good Fox player (back before they changed him to fall faster and decrease his defense to make him more balanced... yet still top tier as you note).
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I don't think balance in a fighting game is too much to ask. The whole point of SSB is to provide a fighting game with a fun backdrop of "Could character X beat character Y?". That whole novelty vanishes if you know who can beat who right off the bat.
No game is completely balanced, unless you have a fighter where everything is the same character. A game like Smash Bros is going to never be perfectly balanced either because you have: small stages, huge stages, items, 2-4 players and obstacles. It will create a situation where you can have a balanced character in one style of play (DK in a 4 player item match), that just won't match up perfectly in another (DK 1vs1).
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Hey idiots.
SSBM rocks.
SSBM is my favorite game of all time no doubt, but I don't think personal insults are needed to prove that.
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You know I think you guys are taking this way to far. Personally all of the top-tier characters according to you guys I and my friends have a very hard time playing. Fox I kill myself more often then not. Yes, once you get to the point where your in a tournament setting and theirs been a lot of time for people to hone there skills like with Melee characters will bubble to the surface that are better then others. The only way you are going to avoid that is if every character played the same. Who wants to play a game of clones? If you raced you hands you can moan about SSBM and every other fighter. It's not like there was 1 cheap move that you just did over and over that would win you a match.
How did I get lumped in with what "Smash_Brother" was saying... ;_;
I completely agree with your point here, and it's the very same one I was trying to make that the tiers don't ruin Melee as "Smash_Brother" keeps claiming, and if Brawl had similar ones it would still be a contender for one of the greats of this generation, no doubt.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 08, 2006, 07:57:45 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1 "We talk more about online once Nintendo has released more information about it." and I'm sure other developers have said something similar too.
Actually, I thought I remembered it sounding less optimistic, like "We haven't gotten the information from Nintendo yet."
However, in the recent NP, Ancel definitely hinted that he had some excellent ideas for Rayman 4 and WiiConnect24 so I ASSUME this means that R4 and other launch games can and will have online components.
Frankly, I'll be more than a bit disappointed if Nintendo doesn't present some form of decent online showing with the Wii launch.
Red Steel without online could be AAA, but with online sword fighting as a part of the game, it reaches "killer app" status, one that you don't even need to be a Nintendo fan to enjoy.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 08, 2006, 08:49:57 AM
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Originally posted by: Arbok For the love of god, it's not that bad. You are acting like this is Pokémon with the legendaries or Oddjob in Goldeneye. No one is that bent in Melee that you might as well give up before you even start. Every fighter has tiers, you will have to accept that. There are some issues with Melee of course that need improvement, but it doesn't cripple the game in any respect or cause for characters that should currently be banned from multiplayer use.
Let me put forth the best anecdote I can: I had a friend from Montreal visit me recently. He works at Gameloft for QA and plays SSBM most every day with a host of coworkers. He is easily the best SSBM player I've ever faced. His Dr. Mario is probably his best, but he's likewise insanely good with Falcon and knows each and every character to the core, even pulling out some tricks which I was never aware of.
I lose horribly to his Dr. Mario with Link, Bowser and Ness (three of my best characters), but Fox, who I don't even PRACTICE with, I can beat him with most every time.
I see that as a problem because it isn't my skill which is bringing me to victory, it's Fox's speed.
And for the record, I've chosen the name "Smash_Brother" because I slept, breathed and ate the original game, logging over 700 hours play time on the cart (before it was stolen). Do I enjoy Melee? Of course, but one of the reasons SSB was so great was that it didn't require finely honed reflexes to play and as such could be played by most anyone and after learning a character, they had a fair chance.
Melee is all about reflex and I've never liked that. I still enjoy the game, of course, but I'm immensely glad to hear that Brawl will have its speed adjusted because I always thought Melee would be a better game if it ran at 75% of the current speed.
I've had a great deal of fun with Melee, but at the same time, I do dislike the advantage that the tiers provide (and whether you'll admit it or not, they do make a great deal of difference in the right hands). My hope is that when tiers are discovered in Brawl, they don't make as much of a difference as they do in Melee.
I UNDERSTAND that you don't see it that way and that's FINE: I respect that opinion and maybe you haven't had similar experiences regarding tiers so we don't see eye to eye, but that's what I think and I hope Brawl fixes it.
Now, can we just agree to disagree and let this thread get back on topic?
It's a little old, but I found this article...
Fils-Aime mentioned why he thinks Wii could achieve a greater install base than its predecessor console, GameCube. "Our focus is on a substantially higher base than we achieved with GameCube. We think that our strategy in terms of great core gamer games, expanded audience games should allow us to achieve that," the NOA president said. "Plus, with the stellar third-party support we're getting, really, right at launch, that's another major difference from what we did with GameCube."
It's good to see Nintendo themselves acknowledge 3rd parties and their launch offerings. Not too long ago, Nintendo was of the mindset that 3rd parties were parasites feeding off of their success. I'm immensely glad to see that they've reversed that sentiment. I think Iwata is a diplomat and, like Reggie says, it's showing in the launch lineup.
Post by: Arbok on August 08, 2006, 11:05:45 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Let me put forth the best anecdote I can: I had a friend from Montreal visit me recently. He works at Gameloft for QA and plays SSBM most every day with a host of coworkers. He is easily the best SSBM player I've ever faced. His Dr. Mario is probably his best, but he's likewise insanely good with Falcon and knows each and every character to the core, even pulling out some tricks which I was never aware of.
I lose horribly to his Dr. Mario with Link, Bowser and Ness (three of my best characters), but Fox, who I don't even PRACTICE with, I can beat him with most every time.
At this stage in the conversation, I'm just going to state it as it is since you keeping clinging to this: your friend likely plays the game a lot, but isn't very good all around if he will loses to an unpracticed Fox player 9/10 times with his best character. The Marios themselves are top tier too, so it's a poor example, accept to highlight that your friend likely isn't as amazing at the game as you hold him to it, and you shouldn't be treating this isolated example as gospel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_6uLgjtmK0 (Video cracks me up with when the crowd starts chanting Falco too)
Also, since you stated you were a Ness player, you might want to check this video out for some more advance tactics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=643MAVFCbqI
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Of course, but one of the reasons SSB was so great was that it didn't require finely honed reflexes to play and as such could be played by most anyone and after learning a character, they had a fair chance.
The same is true for Melee, but you will never admit to it.
Post by: Donutt007 on August 08, 2006, 11:31:35 AM
Post by: vudu on August 08, 2006, 11:36:31 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 08, 2006, 11:52:34 AM
Since you won't let DIE here...
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 08, 2006, 03:29:27 PM
Post to get this discussion back to its purpose.
Too bad I am about to start class, and can't do the research.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 08, 2006, 05:55:23 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 08, 2006, 06:04:18 PM
Wii Sports
Metroid Prime 3
Legend of Zelda
Mario Galaxy
SSBB
Day of Disastor (has potential)
Rayman 4
Xbox 360:
Bioshock
Halo 3
Gears of War
Forza 2
PS3:
Grand Turismo
Giant Crabs
Final Fantasy
MGS
Post by: Ceric on August 08, 2006, 06:22:02 PM
PS3: Heres whats on the official site.
Wii: Heres whats on the Nintendo site after a quick look
I have to say that Microsoft has the better list setup out of all those.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 08, 2006, 07:22:01 PM
Do you think that this game is about those historically accurate battles in Japan?
Post by: WalkingTheCow on August 08, 2006, 07:53:14 PM
And I think Giant Crabs is about real-time weapon change! I know! With the power of the PS3 all your fantasies come true!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 08, 2006, 08:16:17 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 08, 2006, 09:16:51 PM
Also, the game was rated M solely for the sake of being rated M. I've played the demo and there was no reason to carry an M-rating.
Wouldn't count it at all...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 08, 2006, 10:57:13 PM
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99 Nights was a Dynasty Warriors clone which tries to sell primarily on sex appeal even though the models look surprisingly unappealing (sorry, but the only picture I've seen advertising the game is the female mage, typically showing lots of leg).
Also, the game was rated M solely for the sake of being rated M. I've played the demo and there was no reason to carry an M-rating.
Wouldn't count it at all...
From what I've seen of 99 Nights, Project Hammer looks like a deep and fulfilling experience next to it!
Post by: IceCold on August 08, 2006, 11:29:30 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 08, 2006, 11:40:22 PM
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And that's the problem with games like that which are overambitious in terms of scope. I think it was Ian who said that he wouldn't be satisfied with a console's power until you could have Lord of the Rings type fights in realtime, with thousands upon thousands of enemies on screen. You need to realise, though, that if there are so many enemies, it will turn the game into a mindless hack 'n slash with no strategy. This is what I feel 99 Nights has slipped into. It seems boring and repetitive; two things that are never present in a good game.
I think it will be a long time before we have LOTR esque battles, I can't imagine the CPU processing power it would take to have hordes of enemies behave like individuals, instead of limited AI like you see in 99 or other games that throw a bunch of creatures at you.
Post by: Requiem on August 09, 2006, 04:54:18 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 09, 2006, 04:54:58 AM
Basically Trauma Center represents a type of game we haven't really seen before. It isn't about killing people, or beating people in a race, or sports event. It is a different kind of game...and will appeal to different types of markets.
When I look at the above list of Big games for all three systems, I don't see anything that catches the eye of the nongamer. And I look at the PS3 list and Xbox list and I don't see anything that fits my personal taste of more lighthearted gaming, only Nintendo has a list with that.
If you were to add to Nintendo's big list:
Trauma Center
Wario Ware Smooth Moves
Wii Sports
You then add 3 games that CAN appeal (but may not) to a vastly different gamer and market. It is in this new market that Nintendo hopes to make it big.
Post by: Requiem on August 09, 2006, 04:59:02 AM
I really hope Nintendo will announce a new Animal Crossing at Liepzig...
Post by: Ceric on August 09, 2006, 05:05:41 AM
Actuallly from what I've heard of Trauma Center it sounds a lot like a doctor sim I played back in the Early 90's called Life and Death I beleive but not as realistic.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 09, 2006, 08:28:05 AM
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Tony Hawks Downhill Jam Activision Wii 24-Oct-06
GT Ubi Soft Wii 26-Oct-06
Red Steel Ubi Soft Wii 26-Oct-06
Avatar: The Last Airbender THQ Wii 31-Oct-06
Chicken Little: Ace In Action Buena Vista Wii 31-Oct-06
Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 2 Atari Wii 31-Oct-06
Spongebob: Creature From The Krusty Krab THQ Wii 31-Oct-06
Call Of Duty 3 Activision Wii 7-Nov-06
Marvel Ultimate Alliance Activision Wii 7-Nov-06
Happy Feet Midway Wii 14-Nov-06
Blazing Angels Ubi Soft Wii 16-Nov-06
Far Cry Ubi Soft Wii 16-Nov-06
Monster Trucks Ubi Soft Wii 16-Nov-06
Open Season Ubi Soft Wii 16-Nov-06
Prince Of Persia Ubi Soft Wii 16-Nov-06
Rayman Raving Rabbids UBI Soft Wii 16-Nov-06
Ant Bully, The Midway Wii 30-Nov-06
Barnyard THQ Wii 30-Nov-06
Cars THQ Wii 30-Nov-06
Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz Sega Wii 30-Nov-06
Elebits Konami Wii TBA
Metal Slug Anthology SNK Neogeo Wii TBA
Rampage: Total Destruction Midway Wii TBA
Sonic Wii Sega Wii TBA
7 Wii games released b4 November.... & No games releasing on Nov. 2nd or 12th?
Nintendo games aren't listed and neither are SquareEnix, but it is kinda wierd that none are listed for release on the 2 dates in the IGN & AMN article. Of course, I'm not sure the region or the legitimacy of this supposed release list, but I still find it a little wierd.
Post by: Ceric on August 09, 2006, 08:33:35 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 09, 2006, 08:39:17 AM
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Originally posted by: Requiem I really hope Nintendo will announce a new Animal Crossing at Liepzig...
And where the hell is "Wiidogs" already?
Post by: Requiem on August 09, 2006, 08:42:38 AM
Give me animal people...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 09, 2006, 08:55:15 AM
FURRY
OH YEEEEEEAH
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 09, 2006, 08:57:25 AM
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Originally posted by: Requiem I have two dogs of my own...
As do many others, but the game was arguably the turning point for the DS in terms of sales which is why a Wii version might be wise.
They've hinted that you might be able to put your Nintendog on the TV screen via the Wii at some point so this would seem to indicate that they have plans for a Wiidogs after all.
Post by: Requiem on August 09, 2006, 09:11:05 AM
However, I probably wouldn't buy it (just like how I didn't by the DS version). Now, if they made it Nintenanimals, then I might buy it. Cuz, you know, having a feces fight with your pet monkey would be awesome.
Post by: JonLeung on August 09, 2006, 09:22:40 AM
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7 Wii games released b4 November.... & No games releasing on Nov. 2nd or 12th?
Wii games could come out in October even if the Wii doesn't...I remember grabbing Rogue Leader about a week before the GameCube, and other past consoles have also had some of their games show up before the release of the console itself. It helps get the word out to casual gamers who only hear about new games when they walk into a games store.
If some of the launch games DO come out in late October, then we can bet on an early November date.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 09, 2006, 09:31:49 AM
QuoteI know all the games haven't been announced yet(waiting for GC in leipzig), and I know games get released b4 the actual system, but what I was trying to point out was that games were being released in october and Nov/ 16th and on, but not on the supposed possible release dates of Nov 2nd or 12th as IGN & AMN would lead you to believe.
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
7 Wii games released b4 November.... & No games releasing on Nov. 2nd or 12th?
Wii games could come out in October even if the Wii doesn't...I remember grabbing Rogue Leader about a week before the GameCube, and other past consoles have also had some of their games show up before the release of the console itself. It helps get the word out to casual gamers who only hear about new games when they walk into a games store.
If some of the launch games DO come out in late October, then we can bet on an early November date.
Its also rumored that Nintendo may have something planned that is supposed to rain on TGS' parade(TGS is Oct. 22nd - 24th) and the first game to release on that list is dated Oct. 24th... coincedence? A surprise soft launch maybe? Maybe I should've posted this in the rumor thread.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 09, 2006, 09:40:15 AM
MY ANTICIPATION THERMOMETER WILL EXPLODE
Post by: Ceric on August 09, 2006, 09:52:55 AM
My wife got me Nintendog and I played a little couldn't really do anything with the dog. Decided that's not the thing for me. Welp you know what I want? Ubisoft seem to have the rights the <Animal Name>Z series. So I want...
OddBallZ Wii.
Going back to the original concept and using the full power of the Wii to allow you to go online and collect the Oddballz eggz like before. Raise your Oddballz, shoot our Oddballz, morph you Oddballz, etc. Yep I want an updated version of that game. (Also I want Monster Rancher Wii... )
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 09, 2006, 10:47:57 AM
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Well, since you may have a point, I'm inclined to agree that, yes, if Nintendogs came to the Wii, it would be a success.
However, I probably wouldn't buy it (just like how I didn't by the DS version). Now, if they made it Nintenanimals, then I might buy it. Cuz, you know, having a feces fight with your pet monkey would be awesome.
I bought Nintendogs, leveled my dogs in tourneys, then gave the game to a friend.
It's a cute game, but I've never been a fan of the virtual pet concept (I have 4 cats IRL).
But yeah, my only reason for suggesting it is because it sells like crazy, just like I advocate Pokemon games: not because I play them (played Ruby to see what all the fuss was about, was addictive, but no reason to play any more games from the series), but because they sell assloads of Nintendo consoles and those sales in turn spur the development of more 3rd party games like Castlevania and Contact.
Plus, Wiidogs could use WiiConnect24 to great extent, like having your dogs go to visit the homes of others when you're away and such and having new dog breeds added, special dog breeds for events, or maybe even online competitions between puppies.
Wouldn't be my cup of tea, but if it sells Wiis and garners more 3rd party support, I'm all for it.
Post by: Ceric on August 09, 2006, 12:44:00 PM
Every other human in the whole world they would ignore but not my old man. No sirree...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 09, 2006, 02:25:04 PM
YOU HEAR THAT TECMO? YOU'RE THE FIRST 3RD PARTY TO FAIL ON WII
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 09, 2006, 02:39:29 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666 YOU HEAR THAT TECMO? YOU'RE THE FIRST 3RD PARTY TO FAIL ON WII
After snubbing Nintendo for two generations, most Nintendo fans likely wouldn't be too eager to support them.
But then again, we ARE talking hawt lolis here...
Post by: UniversalJuan on August 09, 2006, 07:30:37 PM
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lol no one wants Golf Pangya.
YOU HEAR THAT TECMO? YOU'RE THE FIRST 3RD PARTY TO FAIL ON WII
You're high aren't you? You must be!
Pangya = My 3rd most wanted Wii title (After Smash and Zelda respectievly...yes...I want Smash more than Zelda. Look, I place T8 in tournament play, but love some casual play as well ^_^, I need to master Pit damnit!) Bill, he's dissing the Pangya...little help here. (Note: The little has nothing to do with the beyond obvious loli tilt in the game but it's fun to point out)
Post by: Arbok on August 09, 2006, 11:47:14 PM
Post by: vudu on August 10, 2006, 09:08:35 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on August 10, 2006, 10:38:04 AM
I'm insterested in Pangya Golf, it comes in at #8 on my wanted list (but will be knocked further down the list as Nintendo reveals its full launch lineup...Excite Truck and Wario Ware get?)
Post by: UniversalJuan on August 10, 2006, 05:56:56 PM
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Originally posted by: vudu
Juan snubbed Mario Galaxy; he gets no support from Bill.
Whoa, far from snubbed. Just not in my T3...T5? You had better believe that shiz!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 10, 2006, 06:23:23 PM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
The only reason I want Brawl more than Zelda is because Zelda wasn't built for the system from the ground up. I have faith that Nintendo will make it playable, but not that it will be the definitive Zelda-on-Wii experience.
I'm insterested in Pangya Golf, it comes in at #8 on my wanted list (but will be knocked further down the list as Nintendo reveals its full launch lineup...Excite Truck and Wario Ware get?)
I want Zelda the most because the gameplay will be just as good and that is what really matters
.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 11, 2006, 08:01:33 AM
People have complained about the controls from E3...but Nintendo hasn't set in stone the controls, and E3 was a good testing ground for public perception.
Zelda will be one of the biggest games this holiday season, and it is going to be an incredible experience on the Wii...I truly would not want to miss this experience on the Wii.
Brawl will come later and it will be great...but in reality Brawl will have what a 2 year development cycle...plus the experience gained from the previous games? Twillight Princess has been worked on for over 4 years, and is going to be an experience like no other Zelda game...or no other game before it with the new controller.
Post by: Requiem on August 11, 2006, 08:24:22 AM
I have yerned for this Zelda ever since I beat WW. A return to the old style (not graphics style), with horse-back riding and of course, adult link. This Zelda is looking like it might be the best game in history, or at least the very best of the series (which is basically the same thing, depending on who you talk to). But that's not all, with the Wii, it could become THE game to play. Some people have dismissed it already due to the E3 impressions (though I didn't hear anyone complain about fishing), but that's foolish. There is so much potential for a game like TP on a console like Wii. Together, they will bring about an experience that players have since only dreamed about.
On the flip-side, SSB has been an incredible series aswell. I've logged in countless hours on both, and I could still pick it up and play it if somebody is down for a little rumble. Now, with the addition of even more charachters, stages, items, modes, maybe some Wii-functionality and lets not forget....online, I don't see how anyone could not anticipate this game as badly as a drunk fat dude anticipates late night taco-bell.
They are both going to be amazinig. Who cares which one comes out first? Just be glad they are both coming out for Nintendo, and that you're a Nintendo fan.
(still, I hate how other great games are getting lost in the shuffle: mainly MP3 which is sure to be the best Prime of them all -- and maybe the best metriod yet? (although Super Metriod nailed it in every way))
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 11, 2006, 08:48:40 AM
Post by: Requiem on August 11, 2006, 08:54:02 AM
Did I not just give you the to best examples?
Are you ignoring my posts or something?
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 11, 2006, 09:10:06 AM
And I mention it because, at launch, I'm not exactly 100% sure what the multiplayer experiences are going to be like at all.
MP3 might be like hunters, which would be cool, but Red Steel boasts 4 player split screen and some cryptic hints about vs. action going on somewhere other than on the screen. What the hell does THAT mean?
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 11, 2006, 09:17:13 AM
To me the two must own games...in fact to me the must own the console games are:
Metroid Prime: Corruption
Zelda: Twillight Princess
Each game you have design teams that have a mastery of their genre and artform working with a true passion to create the best experience possible...and two teams that have worked the longest with the actual Wii development kits.
After those games you have at list one game in every genre to choose from:
Puzzle,
Party Game,
First Person Shooter,
Sports,
Niche/Variety Game,
Platformer,
RPG,
Non Gamer,
Racing,
Extreme Sports
The list is incredible. I have a list of 5 games I must own for the Wii already. I can't think of a single game I must own that is on the Xbox 360. (I have very odd tastes.) And I don't have any interest in any PS3 game as of yet.
Then next year we will continue to have incredible games launching for the Wii. And the best part is. With Zelda launching at the beginning of Wii's life, they can take their sweet time and release another Zelda in 2-3 years that rocks our world all over again.
Post by: Ceric on August 11, 2006, 09:19:32 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 11, 2006, 09:22:06 AM
It's funny: the GC launch was arguably one of the worst launches ever, Nintendo console or not, yet the Wii launch is shaping up to be the best ever, Nintendo or not.
Post by: Requiem on August 11, 2006, 09:53:39 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Personally when I see people say Wii doesn't have a strong launch lineup, I just laugh.
To me the two must own games...in fact to me the must own the console games are:
Metroid Prime: Corruption
Zelda: Twillight Princess
Each game you have design teams that have a mastery of their genre and artform working with a true passion to create the best experience possible...and two teams that have worked the longest with the actual Wii development kits.
After those games you have at list one game in every genre to choose from:
Puzzle,
Party Game,
First Person Shooter,
Sports,
Niche/Variety Game,
Platformer,
RPG,
Non Gamer,
Racing,
Extreme Sports
The list is incredible. I have a list of 5 games I must own for the Wii already. I can't think of a single game I must own that is on the Xbox 360. (I have very odd tastes.) And I don't have any interest in any PS3 game as of yet.
Then next year we will continue to have incredible games launching for the Wii. And the best part is. With Zelda launching at the beginning of Wii's life, they can take their sweet time and release another Zelda in 2-3 years that rocks our world all over again.
Believe it or not Spak, if Nintendo releases that WiiDrums demo, I might buy that before Metriod. *ducks*
For real though...That game has MASSIVE potential. If they allow you to play all sorts of drums and even let you loop samples that you actively create, I'd buy it in a second.
So basically my first two purchases would be:
Zelda (single-player)
WiiDrums (multi-player)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 11, 2006, 10:19:28 AM
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Originally posted by: RequiemQuote
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Personally when I see people say Wii doesn't have a strong launch lineup, I just laugh.
To me the two must own games...in fact to me the must own the console games are:
Metroid Prime: Corruption
Zelda: Twillight Princess
Each game you have design teams that have a mastery of their genre and artform working with a true passion to create the best experience possible...and two teams that have worked the longest with the actual Wii development kits.
After those games you have at list one game in every genre to choose from:
Puzzle,
Party Game,
First Person Shooter,
Sports,
Niche/Variety Game,
Platformer,
RPG,
Non Gamer,
Racing,
Extreme Sports
The list is incredible. I have a list of 5 games I must own for the Wii already. I can't think of a single game I must own that is on the Xbox 360. (I have very odd tastes.) And I don't have any interest in any PS3 game as of yet.
Then next year we will continue to have incredible games launching for the Wii. And the best part is. With Zelda launching at the beginning of Wii's life, they can take their sweet time and release another Zelda in 2-3 years that rocks our world all over again.
Believe it or not Spak, if Nintendo releases that WiiDrums demo, I might buy that before Metriod. *ducks*
For real though...That game has MASSIVE potential. If they allow you to play all sorts of drums and even let you loop samples that you actively create, I'd buy it in a second.
So basically my first two purchases would be:
Zelda (single-player)
WiiDrums (multi-player)
No need to duck, I never really liked the Prime series either. I may wait until the price drops, personally I've found the Prime series pretty dry compared to the 2D sidescrolling games which I love.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 11, 2006, 10:39:54 AM
40 hours of gameplay doesn't mean much when you spend 80% of it walking back through areas you've already come through, just like 80 hours of Xenosaga means nothing when 60 are spent watching cutscenes.
Post by: Louieturkey on August 11, 2006, 10:57:24 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother40 hours of gameplay doesn't mean much when you spend 80% of it walking back through areas you've already come through, just like 80 hours of Xenosaga means nothing when 60 are spent watching cutscenes.
Hey don't knock Xenosaga. It never really tried to be more than a 3d anime with a few gameplay breaks inbetween chapters.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 11, 2006, 11:02:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
My buying MP3 depends on whether or not the amount of backtracking has been reduced.
40 hours of gameplay doesn't mean much when you spend 80% of it walking back through areas you've already come through, just like 80 hours of Xenosaga means nothing when 60 are spent watching cutscenes.
I know what you mean, I never did beat MP1. I think I beat all the bosses I could then I find out I need to get those thingies to unlock the door (I think 12 were in it), so I gave up, I didn't feel like backtracking so that is where my game ended.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 11, 2006, 11:04:18 AM
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Originally posted by: LouieturkeyQuote
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother40 hours of gameplay doesn't mean much when you spend 80% of it walking back through areas you've already come through, just like 80 hours of Xenosaga means nothing when 60 are spent watching cutscenes.
Hey don't knock Xenosaga. It never really tried to be more than a 3d anime with a few gameplay breaks inbetween chapters.
What bothers me the most is games like that seem to be the most popular ::I'm looking at you MGS series::.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 11, 2006, 11:05:03 AM
It doesn't work when it can take you 30 seconds to a minute to navigate a single room to reach the next door.
Post by: couchmonkey on August 11, 2006, 11:25:11 AM
On Zelda, I may be underestimating it, but I just can't help but be suspicious that Nintendo is just shoe-horning Wii controls into it. It's still my most anticipated Wii game.
Post by: Ceric on August 11, 2006, 11:41:02 AM
Post by: Requiem on August 11, 2006, 11:58:53 AM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolutionQuote
Originally posted by: RequiemQuote
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Personally when I see people say Wii doesn't have a strong launch lineup, I just laugh.
To me the two must own games...in fact to me the must own the console games are:
Metroid Prime: Corruption
Zelda: Twillight Princess
Each game you have design teams that have a mastery of their genre and artform working with a true passion to create the best experience possible...and two teams that have worked the longest with the actual Wii development kits.
After those games you have at list one game in every genre to choose from:
Puzzle,
Party Game,
First Person Shooter,
Sports,
Niche/Variety Game,
Platformer,
RPG,
Non Gamer,
Racing,
Extreme Sports
The list is incredible. I have a list of 5 games I must own for the Wii already. I can't think of a single game I must own that is on the Xbox 360. (I have very odd tastes.) And I don't have any interest in any PS3 game as of yet.
Then next year we will continue to have incredible games launching for the Wii. And the best part is. With Zelda launching at the beginning of Wii's life, they can take their sweet time and release another Zelda in 2-3 years that rocks our world all over again.
Believe it or not Spak, if Nintendo releases that WiiDrums demo, I might buy that before Metriod. *ducks*
For real though...That game has MASSIVE potential. If they allow you to play all sorts of drums and even let you loop samples that you actively create, I'd buy it in a second.
So basically my first two purchases would be:
Zelda (single-player)
WiiDrums (multi-player)
No need to duck, I never really liked the Prime series either. I may wait until the price drops, personally I've found the Prime series pretty dry compared to the 2D sidescrolling games which I love.
Whoa whoa whoa....I never said anything about NOT liking the Prime series. I loved the first one, but haven't gotten around to the second. Actually, Metriod Prime 1 might be my favorite single player game of this generation.
The only reason I would not buy MP3 at launch is because I am already buying Zelda regardless, and I don't need two single-player games at launch. However, if there isn't anything truly amazing in the multi-player category, then yes, I will buy MP3.
That's why I mentioned WiiDrums...It could be my exception.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 11, 2006, 02:03:59 PM
If it comes out before November 17th I will most likely get just 2 games and 1 to 2 extra controllers.
Then on the 17th asking for games for my B-Day.
But, the deal is what games to get.
Zelda is an absolute definate. But then I want to get a solid fun simple game to show off the Wii to my friends.
That screams either:
Monkey Ball
Wii Sports
Wario Ware Smooth Moves
or
perhaps a good multiplayer FPS.
Too many games to choose from.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 11, 2006, 02:39:22 PM
It's Prof, his opinion doesn't matter...
"Juan snubbed Mario Galaxy; he gets no support from Bill."
Oh whoops...
I doubt Loli Golf will be ready for launch, so I'll be going with Zelda and Prime 3...If I have any extra money I'll get Wii Sports and Excite Truck...I'll save 3rd party titles for Christmas!
Post by: Donutt007 on August 12, 2006, 08:56:06 AM
Also IGN has the Motor Sports as a launch title and I haven't seen it pop up anywhere else.
Should I add those other 4 titles and remove motor sports or keep the list as is?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 12, 2006, 09:40:05 AM
Avatar: The Last Airbender
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII
Blitz: The League
Call of Duty 3
Cars
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors
Elebits
Excite Truck
Far Cry
GT Pro Series
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Madden NFL 07
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Metal Slug Anthology
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Monster 4x4 World Circuit
Need for Speed: Carbon
Open Season
Rayman Raving Rabbids
Red Steel
SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam
Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Wii Sports
source: nwizard
and these are launch window not launch day (launch window ends at christmas)
Post by: Donutt007 on August 12, 2006, 09:48:16 AM
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If your worried about the Wii suffering from the lackluster launch day the DS did, you can put all those fears to rest.
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The PS3 is currently sitting at 15 confirmed games on it's November 17th launch day.
So they are referring to the launch DAY, of those games, 4 I can't find comfirmed on other sites, well maybe wikipedia, but IGN says no.
So should I update the list or not?
Post by: Ceric on August 12, 2006, 09:54:49 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 12, 2006, 10:16:52 AM
And yes, update your list.
Post by: Neodymium on August 12, 2006, 10:49:28 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Not to get off topic but what er the PS3's 15?
1. Madden 07
2. NCAA Football 07
3. NBA 07
4. NCAA Basketball 07
5. MLB 07
6. NHL 07
7. Madden 06
8. Call of Duty 2
9. Medal of Honor
10. Call of Honor
11. Shooter McGunsmack
12. Jak and Clank
13. Medal of Honor Featuring John Madden
14. Call of Duty 3
15. RIIIIIIDGE RAAAACER
Post by: Ceric on August 12, 2006, 11:45:46 AM
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Originally posted by: NeodymiumQuote
Originally posted by: Ceric
Not to get off topic but what er the PS3's 15?
1. Madden 07
2. NCAA Football 07
3. NBA 07
4. NCAA Basketball 07
5. MLB 07
6. NHL 07
7. Madden 06
8. Call of Duty 2
9. Medal of Honor
10. Call of Honor
11. Shooter McGunsmack
12. Jak and Clank
13. Medal of Honor Featuring John Madden
14. Call of Duty 3
15. RIIIIIIDGE RAAAACER
So if memory serves 1-10 and 13(Well Madden is exclusive),14 All cross platform. Therefore we can deduce that the PS3 is really the super deluxe version of the XBox360 because Sony's Entertainment has secretly, like Apple, been infiltrated by Microsoft so they don't look like a monopoly. Capitalisim in practice. But really thats not the list.
Post by: Ceric on August 12, 2006, 11:59:19 AM
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Source:IGN PS3 ***
1. Bladestorm: The Hundred Years' War (KOEI)
2. Call of Duty 3 (Activision)
3. EA Sports Fight Night Round 3 (Electronic Arts)
4. Fatal Inertia (KOEI)
5. Full Auto 2: Battlelines (SEGA)
6. Madden NFL 07 (Electronic Arts)
7. Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (Activision)
8. NBA Live 07 (Electronic Arts)
9. Resistance: Fall of Man (Sony CE)
10. Ridge Racer 7 (Namco Bandai)
11. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 (Electronic Arts)
12. Tony Hawk's Project 8 (Activision)
13. Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom (Sony Online)
I bolded the ones I think are exclusive. Not sure about #4 and 5.
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 12, 2006, 12:31:39 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on August 12, 2006, 12:35:59 PM
Wii is getting COD3, Madden, and Marvel:UA as well.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 12, 2006, 01:28:44 PM
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1. Bladestorm: The Hundred Years' War (KOEI)
2. Call of Duty 3 (Activision)
3. EA Sports Fight Night Round 3 (Electronic Arts)
4. Fatal Inertia (KOEI)
5. Full Auto 2: Battlelines (SEGA)
6. Madden NFL 07 (Electronic Arts)
7. Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (Activision)
8. NBA Live 07 (Electronic Arts)
9. Resistance: Fall of Man (Sony CE)
10. Ridge Racer 7 (Namco Bandai)
11. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 (Electronic Arts)
12. Tony Hawk's Project 8 (Activision)
13. Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom (Sony Online)
Oh wow, that's awful...Lots of generic garbage...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 12, 2006, 02:01:42 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
This is the best list I found. This bugger is more elusive then it should be.Quote
Source:IGN PS3 ***
1. Bladestorm: The Hundred Years' War (KOEI)
2. Call of Duty 3 (Activision)
3. EA Sports Fight Night Round 3 (Electronic Arts)
4. Fatal Inertia (KOEI)
5. Full Auto 2: Battlelines (SEGA)
6. Madden NFL 07 (Electronic Arts)
7. Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (Activision)
8. NBA Live 07 (Electronic Arts)
9. Resistance: Fall of Man (Sony CE)
10. Ridge Racer 7 (Namco Bandai)
11. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 (Electronic Arts)
12. Tony Hawk's Project 8 (Activision)
13. Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom (Sony Online)
I bolded the ones I think are exclusive. Not sure about #4 and 5.
Avatar: The Last Airbender (next/new gen-exclusive?)
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII (next/new gen-exclusive)
Blitz: The League
Call of Duty 3
Cars
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 (next/new gen-exclusive)
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors
Elebits
Excite Truck
Far Cry (enhanced next/new gen-exclusive)
GT Pro Series (console exclusive)
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (enhanced exclusive)
Madden NFL 07
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Metal Slug Anthology (console exclusive)
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Monster 4x4 World Circuit (next/new gen-exclusive)
Need for Speed: Carbon
Open Season
Rayman Raving Rabbids (timed exclusive)
Red Steel
SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam (next/new gen-exclusive version?)
Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Wii Sports
Looks like Wii is going to have ALOT more exclusives this time around compared to the PS3
and if we break them down into categories, you will see that Wii has it all covered:
Shooter:
Call of Duty 3
Far Cry
Metroid Prime 3
Red Steel
Racing:
Cars
Excite Truck
GT Pro Series
Monster 4x4 World Circuit
Need for Speed: Carbon
Sports:
Blitz: The League
Madden NFL 07
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam (extreme sport/racing)
Wii Sports
RPG:
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors Elebits
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers
Platform:
Open Season
Rayman Raving Rabbids
SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
Action Adventure:
Avatar: The Last Airbender
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII (Action/shooter)
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Metal Slug Anthology
Fighting:
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2
Other:
Trauma Center: Second Opinion (simulation)
and this isn't taking into account what will be announced at GC in Leipzig or TGS in Tokyo.
Post by: Crimm on August 12, 2006, 02:22:57 PM
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Originally posted by: Neodymium
13. Medal of Honor Featuring John Madden
That would be worth $600!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 12, 2006, 02:38:56 PM
QuoteWell, to be fair, John Madden only does the commentary to the mayhem.
Originally posted by: CrimmQuote
Originally posted by: Neodymium
13. Medal of Honor Featuring John Madden
That would be worth $600!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 12, 2006, 03:08:04 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 12, 2006, 06:51:35 PM
Fighter:
Mortal Kombat
Post by: Ceric on August 12, 2006, 07:24:10 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on August 12, 2006, 07:48:56 PM
Post by: Strell on August 12, 2006, 08:30:20 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1QuoteWell, to be fair, John Madden only does the commentary to the mayhem.
Originally posted by: CrimmQuote
Originally posted by: Neodymium
13. Medal of Honor Featuring John Madden
That would be worth $600!
That would be a pretty great game actually.
Madden> I think it's safe to say we're at war! And people have guns! Guns that shoot bullets! I'm just going to take out my lightpen here and show you exactly where the guns are...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 12, 2006, 11:14:12 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 13, 2006, 12:36:34 AM
When given the choices, I dont see how anyone would choose the PS3 at launch over the Wii.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 13, 2006, 01:28:45 AM
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Post by: Smash_Brother on August 13, 2006, 03:51:54 AM
Either way, it sounds like one of those titles which they were trying far too hard to think up something that sounds edgy and ultimately came up with something that sounds idiotic.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 13, 2006, 04:24:45 AM
On the other hand, if Blue-Ray does really well it could push PS3 doing well also, pushing the PS3 as the player of choice.
Bringing this back to Wii...indeed the PS3 launch is in the hands of Nintendo and Microsoft as much as Sony. If gamers see a better value or more interesting game selection in neither of those systems Sony is in trouble. Not that they won't sell out. But selling out at Christmas isn't a big deal because they will have such a low yield level. But will they continue to sell out?
I don't think so. By the time Sony has higher production units shipping regularly Wii and Microsoft should have taken off quite well and have even more fantastic games.
Post by: Ceric on August 13, 2006, 05:41:56 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 14, 2006, 04:45:20 AM
And Sony is the young champions that everyone is already giving the Super Bowl to, because of their undefeated record two seasons in a row. The press has been screaming dynasty.
Though I think Sony and Nintendo will both have a great start to their season hitting every benchmark setup for themselves. It is going to be the midseason games that really develops a leader...and Sony's lineup seems to be filled with Super Stars that don't play well together.
Post by: Ceric on August 14, 2006, 05:47:19 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 14, 2006, 08:25:48 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Matt Cass hinted in the IGN Podcast that a canceled project for another platform is coming to the Wii. Let the rumors run rampant!
CASTLEVANIA RESSURRECTION FOR DREAMCAST IS COMING TO WII? THIS IS EPIC NEWS
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 14, 2006, 08:28:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666 CASTLEVANIA RESSURRECTION FOR DREAMCAST IS COMING TO WII? THIS IS EPIC NEWS
Wrong.
It's Chakan for the DC which is coming to Wii...at launch.
Post by: Donutt007 on August 31, 2006, 01:34:24 PM
All three showed up on Wikipedia as either confirmed or reported.
So we'll see what happens.
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 31, 2006, 11:22:45 PM
Also, I don't like these sites reporting "confirmed" games without any proof. At least Wikipedia requires confirmation from either Nintendo or the publisher of a game before listing it as confirmed, which means 18 games have been confirmed as launch games:
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII
Call of Duty 3
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors
Far Cry
Gottlieb Pinball Classics
GT Pro Series
Leaderboard
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Metal Slug Anthology
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Monster 4x4 World Circuit
Open Season
Rayman Raving Rabbids
Red Steel
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Wii Sports
All other games have not been confirmed by Nintendo or their publisher as launch games.
Post by: 18 Days on September 01, 2006, 01:38:22 AM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 01, 2006, 02:26:44 AM
Post by: Donutt007 on September 11, 2006, 11:33:22 AM
Post by: Ceric on September 12, 2006, 04:13:13 PM
Though in another thread there was mention that the Wii didn't have the largest launch lineup in history. With 33 games was it now and that's not counting the other few that the VC will get you. That number alone I can't think of anyone having a bigger launch lineup so I was wondering if someone could tell me which systems. I'm sort of curious.
