Post by: JonLeung on August 01, 2006, 12:38:57 PM
I'm stoked. I love most of the Mortal Kombat games (with some exceptions, mostly with 4 and the crappy spin-offs around that time) and this one supposedly has everybody...like Mortal Kombat Trilogy, but including everyone in the second "trilogy" (well, all previous games, really - that's probably 60 characters or more) and in 3D (Deadly Alliance and Deception proved that Mortal Kombat in 3D is actually pretty good, after the horror that was 4). I like "dream match" games, and thanks to the apparent lack of permanent death in the Mortal Kombat universe (ironic considering the Fatalities), they'll probably have a decent story-based reason why everyone's back (unlike King Of Fighters or Capcom Vs. Everybody).
When I heard that it was coming to the Xbox and PS2 but not GameCube, I was surprised, since Deception had exclusive boss characters. Now that it's coming to the Wii, maybe it'll get a next-gen treatment and it should be able to have online play, I'm guessing.
Though I remember Ed Boon being hesitant about the controller. Maybe it'll use classic controls (like SSBB will supposedly have)?
Post by: chain chomp on August 01, 2006, 12:47:58 PM
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Post by: JonLeung on August 01, 2006, 01:16:03 PM
I also think MK made a great comeback with Deadly Alliance, but I think a lot of people gave up on the series by then and wouldn't come back to it. Truly, Deadly Alliance and Deception are better than most people probably expect.
I also liked Konquest Mode in Deception...it was a more-than-decent one-player mode, which many fighting games lack. Taking Shujinko throughout the MK universe's many realms over many years and meeting many Kombatants and learning from them was neat.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 01, 2006, 01:18:18 PM
I am interested in this game...if only that it means people are attempting to create the games in a genre people thought is impossible to work on the Wii. I hope good Wii controls are developed, but I don't see it happening, so I am hoping for classic controller support.
We shall see what comes from all this.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 01, 2006, 01:19:50 PM
I am interested in this game...if only that it means people are attempting to create the games in a genre people thought is impossible to work on the Wii. I hope good Wii controls are developed, but I don't see it happening, so I am hoping for classic controller support.
We shall see what comes from all this.
Post by: Donutt007 on August 01, 2006, 01:25:53 PM
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Post by: Fierce_LiNk on August 01, 2006, 02:17:28 PM
However, one thing annoyed the hell out of me in that game. Midway decided to just use D-pad control. It just so happened that the Gamecube's D-pad was pretty small, which made playing this game a lot less easier than it could've been. I had no problems myself, but it could have been made much easier. What was their reason for no analogue control?
Post by: Requiem on August 01, 2006, 02:27:04 PM
but...
MK4 was great! You could rack up a combo so high that the game had to stop you by enforcing a max-combo limit! Plus that was the first MK with weapons, and all (I mean every single one) was badass!
I played MK5 (I don't know what it's called) and it was alright. They switched the fast-paced style that was MK4, for some lame "stances" type gameplay. It was still fun, but in my eyes...it failed.
Hopefully this game will pick up the pace.
Post by: JonLeung on August 01, 2006, 03:19:59 PM
I guess MK: Armageddon isn't even out yet for the current-gen systems, so who can say how good it'll be, but simply including all of the characters makes this almost sound like a must-buy (and I rarely buy non-Nintendo-published games for my Nintendo consoles). Looks good! Though some of those air combos look a little awkward...
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 01, 2006, 03:48:40 PM
They probably figured that a Mortal Kombat game on the Wii will sell better than on a Cube, and you know what, I bet they are right.
Once again, Nintendo's attempt to keep game development next generation simple will help move games to their system.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 01, 2006, 03:56:18 PM
Post by: Magik on August 01, 2006, 05:15:36 PM
It'll most likely use either the Retro or GC controller or maybe both, which is perfectly fine for me.
Post by: IceCold on August 01, 2006, 06:35:45 PM
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 02, 2006, 12:03:09 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Screw this, give me GAUNTLET LEGENDS
Quote for Truth.
I love me some Gauntlet. Although, the Gauntlet Seven Sorrows game was a huge dissapointment.
Post by: JonLeung on August 02, 2006, 12:51:06 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 02, 2006, 12:57:48 PM
But, its funny how this new controller makes me willing to try games all over again.
I think dungeon crawlers and Beat'em up games could have totally new life and innovation with this controller and I am excited.
Post by: Ceric on August 02, 2006, 01:04:33 PM
Post by: JonLeung on August 02, 2006, 01:08:30 PM
I take that to mean that Mortal Kombat: Armageddon may just use more standard controls, with motion sensing probably ignored altogether.
Post by: Requiem on August 02, 2006, 01:11:23 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Don't get me wrong but I don't see Beat'em ups and like benefitting from the controller. I see it making them more complicated hence less fun. I wouldn't mind getting new beat'em ups but I don't think the Wii controllers new functions would be to great for them. If you mean using like a Nintendo gamepad then I could definitely see that.
Wait....what?!
Have you not seen Project H.A.M.M.E.R?
Post by: JonLeung on August 02, 2006, 01:15:33 PM
QuoteBut that's a different kind of beat-'em up - a one-player game designed from the ground up to use the controller. Existing genres would have to be reworked if they are to use a radical new controller to its fullest.
Originally posted by: RequiemQuoteWait....what?!
Originally posted by: Ceric
Don't get me wrong but I don't see Beat'em ups and like benefitting from the controller.
Have you not seen Project H.A.M.M.E.R?
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 02, 2006, 01:16:02 PM
Gaunlet Wii:
Walk with the Analog Nunchuck. You can call circle menus around your character with Analog Buttons for Magic and item select. (Use pointer for quick select)
Now, swinging left, right, up, down, diagonal will allow you attack in that direction. This gives you the ability to attack monsters from any direction...but more importantly for Monsters to now come at you from any direction. This will make team work more important, and your long ranged character very valuable...but remember to protect them with the stronger melee characters so that you can move on as a team.
Attacks won't have to take broad swipes of movement, but instead, Point in the direction you want to attack and "Flick" the remote to attack. Different type attacks can be performed by holding down A/B buttons while attacking. Both buttons together can do special attacks, or throw enemies.
Similar controls could be used for something like River City Ransom Wii.
The coolness would come from being able to aim where you throw items, and enemies which will now have a weight given to them. Strategy comes from knowing how far you can throw items, as opposed to kicking them, or just attacking them straight out. Beatem Ups could begin to actually create more elaborate ways to beat enemies requiring you to use the environment to defeat your foes, and since the Wii control gives you ultimate freedom to direct your attacks so that the enemy hits the environmental hazards correctly.
Post by: Ceric on August 02, 2006, 01:18:00 PM
Edit: I must be getting slow two posts while I wrote this one.
Post by: Requiem on August 02, 2006, 02:18:48 PM
It would be so easy to implement the Wiimote AND make the game better.
For instance: The button setup is like it's always been, A to punch, C to kick, Z to jump, and B to throw.
To punch: You hold down "A" then either flick your left or right wrist. This will designate which arm you want to attack with. You can even hold back an arm to add power to it. So to left-right-left somebody, you hold "A" then flick your right wrist, then left, then right. (It's important to note that you hold down "A" the entire time)
To Kick: Same thing.
To Throw: You simply press and hold "B" to grab somebody, then flick the remote in any directon and release "B" at the same time. If you hold "B" and flick your wrist, but don't release "B" you'll throw the enemy into the ground in the direction you chose. You can choose to let go at that point or flick your wrist again and release "B" to throw him away.
And I'm not even done yet....
But I'm tired of typing, so am I done....
Post by: ShyGuy on August 02, 2006, 02:39:44 PM
Post by: JonLeung on August 02, 2006, 02:58:39 PM
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Originally posted by: Requiem
What do you mean?
It would be so easy to implement the Wiimote AND make the game better.
For instance: The button setup is like it's always been, A to punch, C to kick, Z to jump, and B to throw.
But Up is jump, and Mortal Kombat has always relied on at least two punches and two kicks and a block. You can figure out all the alternate button setups you want, but most Mortal Kombat fans aren't going to be comfortable with a new setup - and it's Nintendo fans that are also MK fans that are likely the reason why this game is coming out at all to the Wii.
A new button setup that works would be more likely if this game wasn't also available for other consoles.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 02, 2006, 03:49:27 PM
Imagine pressing a button to jump, and pointing to a hanging bar and pressing the interact button. Now you grab onto the pole. Clicking interact with another pole will swing your character to that pole in a jump motion.
Now, in the air moving you see a potted plant above you. While you pass by you click to interact and grab that plant. Now when you get to the pole you grab it and you point to an enemy. From ontop the pole you throw the potted plant at them.
That is just one thing that seems complicated, and yet very simple at the same time. Stuff like this can create really innovative controls for a beat'em up.
Post by: Requiem on August 02, 2006, 05:16:54 PM
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Originally posted by: JonLeungQuote
Originally posted by: Requiem
What do you mean?
It would be so easy to implement the Wiimote AND make the game better.
For instance: The button setup is like it's always been, A to punch, C to kick, Z to jump, and B to throw.
But Up is jump, and Mortal Kombat has always relied on at least two punches and two kicks and a block. You can figure out all the alternate button setups you want, but most Mortal Kombat fans aren't going to be comfortable with a new setup - and it's Nintendo fans that are also MK fans that are likely the reason why this game is coming out at all to the Wii.
A new button setup that works would be more likely if this game wasn't also available for other consoles.
I think your confused. I didn't make up that control scheme for Mortal Kombat, I made it up for the beat em' up genre. You know, the God's of war, the LOTR's, the Gauntlets....etc.
On second thought, my control scheme would work really well in a fighting game. It could be uber realistic, in that you can control which body party you would like to hit with (and even mimmick the punch or kick to broaden the move list even more).
Post by: Donutt007 on August 02, 2006, 06:10:27 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I am willing to bet the reason we are getting a Wii version of this game, is because the development team simply moved the original Cube code being developed to Wii and began on a port.
They probably figured that a Mortal Kombat game on the Wii will sell better than on a Cube, and you know what, I bet they are right.
Once again, Nintendo's attempt to keep game development next generation simple will help move games to their system.
MK: A was never planned on being released on the cube, it was gonna be PS2 and XBox only.
Post by: JonLeung on August 02, 2006, 06:20:05 PM
Being impressed with Deadly Alliance and Deception, I think that it shouldn't be too bad - now we just have to hope they can give Nintendo fans a little something more (like Khameleon in the N64 Trilogy and Shao Kahn and Goro in the GCN Deception). Considering it's on the Wii, let's hope it's at least improved over the current-gen Xbox and PS2 versions - even if it's not in HD.
Post by: Ceric on August 02, 2006, 07:47:19 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 03, 2006, 09:05:32 AM
I am really interested in the pointer as a means of controlling characters indirectly and directly onscreen...and seeing what can be done with that.
Post by: Donutt007 on August 04, 2006, 10:45:07 AM
Wii Controls
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The basic "concept" is that the Wiimote will control arm actions, while the Nunchaku will take on leg actions.
Light and heavy kicks, for example, will be done with the C and Z triggers on the Nunchaku. The analog stick lets you run (free roaming stages, similar to last two games). Finally, jumping is done by nudging the Nunchaku upwards.
On the other hand (ba-dum-tsh), you have light and heavy punches done with A and B. Blocking is done with the d-pad, and yes, it blocks in the direction you press.
Now, remember how in past fighting games moves were executed with a roll across the d-pad and a button press or two? Now, instead of the d-df-f style thumbrolls, you actually just point the Wiimote down and swing up to the forward position and then hit your button. This has two interesting side effects: 1) you can much more easily perform moves while running, as the controls are independent; 2) button mashers around the office are easily outed and christened with the new 'flailer' nomenclature. If you know what you're doing it apparently looks pretty cool.
Post by: Requiem on August 04, 2006, 10:56:16 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 04, 2006, 05:06:13 PM
