Post by: Smash_Brother on July 14, 2006, 11:46:48 AM
Seriously, I used to revel in their failings because it meant better things for Nintendo, but now, with the most recent news that only 10-20% of cell processors manufactured will actually work, (thanks to BigJim for the link), it's all just too much for me to comment on anymore.
Was this their intention? To make such an assclown of the entire company that we eventually just couldn't laugh any harder at them?
Every piece of bad news just gets worse and worse. At this point, I've nothing left to say. It's all been said: their imminent problems are plain and obvious to even the most pedestrian of observers. Tearing Sony down is too easy. Before, you had to make a compelling argument as to why Sony was going to do poorly. Now, it's like citing common knowledge: you're perfectly safe in saying it because you won't hear a murmur of protest at its mention.
It's grown old for me. Bad news for them is so commonplace that I don't even react anymore.
Anyone else feeling the same way?
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on July 14, 2006, 12:02:20 PM
I think there are going to be plenty of people that feel the same way about Sony.
Post by: vudu on July 14, 2006, 12:15:05 PM
Post by: JonLeung on July 14, 2006, 12:25:44 PM
Also, as I said in the other thread, there are more bad news about Sony lately than any kind of Wii news. it's actually pretty sad for Sony.
We take all this news as doom and gloom for Sony because they're sitting on top of the gaming world right now and any news about them screwing up is more likely to make headlines than any successes of theirs. But yes, at this rate, it does seem like they're totally clueless, or almost deliberately trying to fail.
(Maybe Sony is actually run now by Nintendo fans, and the only way for them to get out of the business is to royally screw up their own console...well, they're on the same path as if they were, it seems.)
The casual gamer, who, dare I say, likely makes up most of the PlayStation userbase, probably doesn't care about all this stuff - yet. Lawsuits? Bad chip yields? Taking out loans? Who cares? But when it trickles down to something they can actually see once the console comes out - like the price of the console, the price of the games, the fun that can be had on the competition...and I don't think anyone thinks the move to Blu-Ray or even HD-DVD is worth it yet.
I predict that the PS3 might do well for about a year. I don't know if Sony'll be #1, it's possible that they won't be, but I do think they will still sell a fair number for the first little while. I'm sure there are early adopters who still think Sony will be king. Sales probably won't be as good as Sony will hope - and the price will slow people down - giving them time to see what the compeition has to offer. After that first year, by Christmas 2007, I don't think PlayStation will be the "cool" brand anymore.
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 14, 2006, 02:08:54 PM
However, I am sure Sony realizes that they can't wait another 6 months they probably need to iron everything out with their Cell processors and manufactoring of the PS3. They need to launch NOW.
So I am sure they hope that this won't hurt them at launch and when manufactoring rates pick up they will be able to pump more product to the consumer.
This whole thing scares me though. Used to be, you could buy a new system day one and be ok. (Gameboy, Genesis, SNES, NES, Nintendo DS, Nintendo 64, Sega Master System, Atari) But now, the trend is that you should wait a year to make sure all production problems are ironed out after product launch.
Post by: nemo_83 on July 14, 2006, 02:53:23 PM
Post by: Kairon on July 14, 2006, 03:13:07 PM
... then rejoice when those poor third parties shift their attention to Wii! ... or yowl in utter terror as Microsoft gains their support and turns videogames into Windows Vista-land.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on July 14, 2006, 03:23:05 PM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung But when it trickles down to something they can actually see once the console comes out - like the price of the console, the price of the games, the fun that can be had on the competition...and I don't think anyone thinks the move to Blu-Ray or even HD-DVD is worth it yet.
IMHO, the "strength of the PS brand name" is directly cancelled out by the "OMFG $600 price tag!!!".
In fact, I'm sure there will likely be millions of occurrences where a person who previously owned a Sony console will go to the store to buy a new PS3, learn that the thing is $600, and be completely and utterly put off.
Without Sony cutting the price down to $300, I can't see it succeeding for any length of time. Even the legendary Sony brand name will be smothered by the fact that most people won't be able to justify the price of the thing or might not be able to afford it at all.
Then, there are the parents who will go to the store come Xmas, see $600 as a price and immediately seek an alternative console.
Post by: skyfire on July 14, 2006, 04:22:45 PM
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This whole thing scares me though. Used to be, you could buy a new system day one and be ok. (Gameboy, Genesis, SNES, NES, Nintendo DS, Nintendo 64, Sega Master System, Atari) But now, the trend is that you should wait a year to make sure all production problems are ironed out after product launch.
It's no surprise those are all Cart based systems that are the most reliable and I assume easy to manufacture.
Nothing against disc based media but damn, the flaws are just unacceptable.
Post by: JonLeung on July 14, 2006, 05:04:35 PM
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Originally posted by: skyfireQuote
This whole thing scares me though. Used to be, you could buy a new system day one and be ok. (Gameboy, Genesis, SNES, NES, Nintendo DS, Nintendo 64, Sega Master System, Atari) But now, the trend is that you should wait a year to make sure all production problems are ironed out after product launch.
It's no surprise those are all Cart based systems that are the most reliable and I assume easy to manufacture.
Nothing against disc based media but damn, the flaws are just unacceptable.
I'm really surprised that in the first batch of Xbox 360s, it wasn't a surprise if it scratched up your DVDs. When that kind of thing is almost normal, you know some Quality Control people are slacking.
I don't know if it's because I take care of my things (or at least am not reckless with them), but all of my Nintendo hardware is still fully functional.
I like those old Nintendo Power Player's Pulse letters section when people talk about flushing their Game Boys down the toilet, dropping them off cliffs, leaving them in a fire, etc., and then they're still working fine.
I think the worst thing that ever happened to me with Nintendo hardware was getting a DS Lite a couple weeks ago, finding a dead pixel, and then having to go back to the store to exchange it. Other than that, no problems here.
Post by: Caliban on July 14, 2006, 05:20:36 PM
If you want to know where I got informed, then please listen to podcast #96, time 8:30, from http://www.vgmfusion.com/ . Ryan gave a perfect explanation, at least based from the prior info I already had before listening to them.
Post by: Kairon on July 14, 2006, 05:53:03 PM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
This low yield info isn't bad news, that is if you heard a perfect explanation of what it is and its implications. I'm not gonna explain because I don't have the patience right now, but I will say that this low yield will only affect the number of PS3 available at launch and even so at a low risk.
If you want to know where I got informed, then please listen to podcast #96, time 8:30, from http://www.vgmfusion.com/ . Ryan gave a perfect explanation, at least based from the prior info I already had before listening to them.
It's still bad news for Sony Caliban. You can't use a Cell processor with less than 7 (out of 8) functioning SPEs in a PS3. It isn't useless, you can use that chip in, say, a cell phone or dvd player, but not in the PS3.
And then there's the question of, ok, let's say that Sony takes that 10-20% (doubled to 20-40% if you use logica redundancies...which they should be using) and uses those in PS3's. What if one of your SPE's blow? That's fine if you got an 8 SPE Cell chip... but... what if you were one of the unlucky ones who got a 7 SPE Cell chip?
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: BigJim on July 14, 2006, 06:13:54 PM
All chips are defective. They all have a "failure" point, but that point varies among the lot. When a chip is made, it is tested at higher and higher frequencies until it reaches a failure point. For example, if it works at 3.0GHz and 3.2GHz but fails at 3.4GHz, they'll call it a 3.2GHz chip. Thus, it's common to see more of the lower-clocked chips available on the market than the high end ones.
It's normal to have lower yields at first. As the production process is refined, the yields increase. But since all PS3's must be uniform and have at least 7 of the cores working, there's no leeway like the example listed above. They all have to work optimally, and thus they only have the 10-20% pickings to use. But 10-20% is kinda low, even for a new part. This will definitely improve over time, but it reeks of limited supplies for a little while.
It's another nugget of evidence explaining why PS3 will cost $600. The manufacturing volume isn't there yet to make a mainstream product. I'll be surprised if they have the promised 2 million launch figure.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 14, 2006, 10:04:42 PM
Not necessarily, that can easily double the chip size which means you'd still get the same number of chips out of a wafer.
Post by: IceCold on July 15, 2006, 12:12:35 AM
QuoteOr we'll float like the guy in Mary Poppins.
Originally posted by: vudu
Maybe they think if we laugh hard enough we'll all drop dead like the Weasels from Who Framed Roger Rabbit?.
Post by: Mario on July 15, 2006, 04:10:43 AM
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It's grown old for me. Bad news for them is so commonplace that I don't even react anymore.
Anyone else feeling the same way?
Hell no. After 10 years at the top, I will enjoy at least another 10 years laughing at them.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 15, 2006, 03:11:56 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold Or we'll float like the guy in Mary Poppins.
Yup, right into the ceiling fans...those bastards!
Post by: Kairon on July 15, 2006, 03:48:11 PM
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Post by: Smash_Brother on July 15, 2006, 05:14:37 PM
Though, Wonka did have a situation near identical to what I'm describing.
Post by: BigJim on July 16, 2006, 01:06:40 AM
Charlie was the kid. Hence the name of the book.
Post by: Kairon on July 16, 2006, 01:11:07 AM
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Post by: wandering on July 16, 2006, 03:25:02 AM
That felt good.
Post by: Requiem of Darcness on July 16, 2006, 07:59:04 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 16, 2006, 11:09:39 AM
I guess I slipped and allowed some pity to come through. I've reconsidered. I'll enjoy nothing more than watching these f*ckers burn...
Post by: IceCold on July 16, 2006, 08:48:48 PM
QuoteNo, but he and I were talking about the Uncle in Mary Poppins... can't remember his name either.
Originally posted by: BigJim
Grandpa Joe.
Charlie was the kid. Hence the name of the book.
Post by: couchmonkey on July 17, 2006, 06:00:25 AM
Maybe Sony paid them off, but it doesn't have to be the case.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 17, 2006, 08:19:57 AM
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However, the PS3 is 'the future.' The Wii is interesting, but in terms of functions, it's a machine with past concepts."
I have to accept one of two things here:
A) Hideo Kojima is out of his hairy little mind (haven't ruled that one out yet).
B) Konami ordered him to say good things about the PS3 by comparison because Sony is paying them to do so.
Sony has proven in the past that they have absolutely no qualms with inventing critics and greasing palms to say good things about them. I wouldn't be surprised if we're seeing the same thing happening here.
Post by: wandering on July 17, 2006, 08:54:09 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I have to accept one of two things here:
A) Hideo Kojima is out of his hairy little mind (haven't ruled that one out yet).
[snip]
Kojima would be out of his hairy little mind to NOT say good things about the ps3. He has a big game coming out for the system and he wants that game to do well.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 18, 2006, 11:45:57 AM
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Originally posted by: wandering Kojima would be out of his hairy little mind to NOT say good things about the ps3. He has a big game coming out for the system and he wants that game to do well.
You can praise the good aspects of a product without sounding like you're being paid to do so, though.
For example, if I wanted to praise the PS3, I'd say that it will offer a range of features, both online and off, and be an immense graphical powerhouse, capable of bringing spectacular ultra-realism for maximum gaming immersion.
I would NOT call the Wii, a system which has captured the hearts of millions with its new and innovative controller design and its push toward moving gaming into a new era, "old concepts" by comparison to the PS3.
I understand Kojima's prerogatives, but if that's the best he can do, they need to send another PR guy in his place.
Post by: Athrun Zala on July 18, 2006, 05:38:47 PM
he should be doing movies, not games......
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 18, 2006, 05:49:48 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on July 20, 2006, 06:01:43 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 20, 2006, 06:12:08 AM
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Originally posted by: Athrun Zala
kojima is on the wrong medium....
he should be doing movies, not games......
I think his games are excellent, it's just that I don't think Kojima and reality are the best of friends.
Post by: Kairon on July 20, 2006, 07:46:21 AM
*shakes his head*
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: JonLeung on July 20, 2006, 08:15:41 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Hey what's wrong? There's no bad news for Sony yet this week.
I think the past week or two were sort of over quota.
Don't worry, we'll still get more doses of bad news before the PS3 launches, assuming Sony doesn't destroy themselves before then.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 20, 2006, 08:31:36 AM
Sony is on track for an on-time launch since PS3 is now moving into full production.
& on a slighty related note
PS3 cost Sony $750+ to make and Sony could go $2Billion in to the red(in the 1st year) if situation don't become absolutely ideal for them
source
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 20, 2006, 09:14:11 AM
hehe, good luck with that...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 20, 2006, 12:20:50 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Well there is a little bit of good news, but I'm too lazy to look for the link right now.
Sony is on track for an on-time launch since PS3 is now moving into full production.
& on a slighty related note
PS3 cost Sony $750+ to make and Sony could go $2Billion in to the red(in the 1st year) if situation don't become absolutely ideal for them
source
Ewww 250$ loss is nasty, I appreciate Nintendo's strategy more and more when it comes to not losing anything on their systems. The trouble with losing that much money (in addition to advertising) is that you may never get it back, granted both Sony and MS have alot of capital, but still it is a gamble. Heck I may be wrong but I don't believe MS ever came out of the red with the original Xbox (feel free to correct me if this is no longer true).
Post by: Deguello on July 20, 2006, 12:59:44 PM
To put Microsoft's only profit in perspective, Nintendo has received $120 million + in sales REVENUE (always be sure to know the difference between revenue and profit) from the Brain Training games. Considering that I doubt the game's development budget, advertising, packaging and shipping costs $20 million dollars all combined, Nintendo has profited more than $100 million dollars just on the Brain Training games.
And to answer your other question, Nintendo actually does sell their consoles at a loss at times, but I believe they make the loss per console less than the price of a game. So they sort of still don't sell at a loss. Kinda like the way celery has negative calories (not really, but your body expends more energy attempting to get the energy from celery than celery gives you in return. Fun fact.)
Another fun fact! If you combine just the worldwide million selling titles the DS, you almost reach $1 billion in sales revenue. Meaning that with the other titles included, the DS is already a billion dollar industry unto itself.
Post by: Arbok on July 20, 2006, 01:15:12 PM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution
Heck I may be wrong but I don't believe MS ever came out of the red with the original Xbox (feel free to correct me if this is no longer true).
As Deguello stated, you are correct. However, Microsoft went into last generation stating that they didn't expect to make a profit off the system until two generations down the road... so on whatever system follows the 360. That seems like a very far off promise on returns, but that was their stated strategy going in.
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 20, 2006, 03:57:31 PM
Though I am pretty sure it has cost Nintendo more than $20 million dollars to develop, market, and package Brain Age for the DS. I wouldn't know where to find that information, but I remember Nintendo spending alot on research and development of that game.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 20, 2006, 04:06:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Deguello
Microsoft only ever came out of the red once in the entirety of the Xbox1's life. That was the month Halo 2 came out. They made $60-70 million dollars. Sounds good! Except most of their financial quarters show losses in excess of $300 million.
To put Microsoft's only profit in perspective, Nintendo has received $120 million + in sales REVENUE (always be sure to know the difference between revenue and profit) from the Brain Training games. Considering that I doubt the game's development budget, advertising, packaging and shipping costs $20 million dollars all combined, Nintendo has profited more than $100 million dollars just on the Brain Training games.
And to answer your other question, Nintendo actually does sell their consoles at a loss at times, but I believe they make the loss per console less than the price of a game. So they sort of still don't sell at a loss. Kinda like the way celery has negative calories (not really, but your body expends more energy attempting to get the energy from celery than celery gives you in return. Fun fact.)
Another fun fact! If you combine just the worldwide million selling titles the DS, you almost reach $1 billion in sales revenue. Meaning that with the other titles included, the DS is already a billion dollar industry unto itself.
Thanks for the detailed and informative response, it is funny in that it appears Nintendo may be the smallest company yet is the most sucessful when it comes to revenue maximizing, out of the big 3
Post by: Kairon on July 20, 2006, 08:18:59 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Wow. I didn't imagine all that is true about the DS. That is pretty impressive sales figures.
Though I am pretty sure it has cost Nintendo more than $20 million dollars to develop, market, and package Brain Age for the DS. I wouldn't know where to find that information, but I remember Nintendo spending alot on research and development of that game.
I thought that the most amazing fact about Brain Training was that it took 10 people 4 months to make the first game. It was dirt cheap. They expected it to sell 80,000 units at most.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Deguello on July 21, 2006, 02:15:15 AM
$20 million is the kind of budget a game like Shenmue gets.
Post by: JonLeung on July 21, 2006, 04:43:14 AM
I suppose I have seen some Brain Age ads where I didn't expect to...like coming back from E3, there was a Brain Age ad in the in-flight magazine and also a seemingly lengthy commercial on the in-flight selection of TV programming. I had the game with me on board at the time and my friend's EGM which he was reading on the plane had a sort-of lengthy article on Brain Age.
Anyway, would it really be $20 million? I'm not good at estimation.
I'm guessing this isn't including the research of Dr. Ryuta, which likely preceded Brain Age. Didn't it?
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 21, 2006, 05:00:39 AM
Post by: Ceric on July 21, 2006, 05:01:43 AM
Post by: JonLeung on July 21, 2006, 05:36:06 AM
I almost wonder how out-of-proportion bad news are about Sony considering that they're on top this generation, have the most to lose, and that this is a board of us Nintendo fans.
Then again some PlayStation fans have been kind of leery about the PS3 too...
Post by: KDR_11k on July 21, 2006, 06:09:56 AM
Slashdot has the same stories. Of course it's Zonk posting them, that guy is biased and worse than a tabloid...
Post by: Ceric on July 21, 2006, 06:20:31 AM
"Nintendo is doommed, D00MM3D"
If I find bad news about Nintendo. I'm going to post it why? Because without both sides you can't have a discussion. Now Sony being on top doesn't help them hide there screw ups. Nintendo has years of Gaming Press information hiding to fall back on.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 21, 2006, 06:29:29 AM
QuoteThere has been atleast one Analyst or reporter story a day about how Sony is going to "lose" a lot of market share, MS is gonna likely win the HD console war but Nintendo has the biggest opportunity to overtake the market from behind(being a 2nd console to every PS3 and X360). WE just haven't been posting all the stories because they are all kind of overwhelming and basically all just saying the same thing over and over again. Sony is DOOMED, they left a golden opportunity for MS and Nintendo this generation, the Price is too high for most consumers, blah, blah, blah,
Originally posted by: JonLeung
Well, it's Friday. The week is almost over, and Sony hasn't had too much in the way of bad news this week.
I almost wonder how out-of-proportion bad news are about Sony considering that they're on top this generation, have the most to lose, and that this is a board of us Nintendo fans.
Then again some PlayStation fans have been kind of leery about the PS3 too...
We've heard it all b4 and we keep hearing it again, no need to continually post it over and over again.
Post by: Ceric on July 21, 2006, 06:33:35 AM
Post by: JonLeung on July 21, 2006, 07:51:35 AM
It's like the people working on the PS3 can't hold back their frustrations and say too much.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 21, 2006, 08:03:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Deguello Another fun fact! If you combine just the worldwide million selling titles the DS, you almost reach $1 billion in sales revenue. Meaning that with the other titles included, the DS is already a billion dollar industry unto itself.
You want irony?
Nintendo profited off the DS and it's sales last year to the tune of $800 million.
Sony recently took out a goddamn loan to cover the cost of the PS3's development to the tune of $700 million.
Much of the losses incurred by Sony had to have come from the PSP (which they sell at a loss) and it's god-awful software tie-in ratio.
The fact that people are buying PSPs and no games is basically killing them.
Post by: JonLeung on July 21, 2006, 08:51:58 AM
If people were more computer-savvy you'd think that instead of new consoles they'd just have new emulators, though I guess it would really be like purchasing "keys" to play a certain brand of software on your computer. As in, the Xbox 1080 could really just be a disc that enables "Xbox 1080"-branded games to be played on a PC. (Though of course that wouldn't work because if people wanted to play PC games no one would even buy an Xbox or Xbox 360 considering most of their library is also available for the PC...) Though it's extremely unlikely, that would certainly be cheaper for the manufacturer.
Sony should actually support PSX emulators like ePSXe, and PS2 emulators when they're capable - it would get people to buy their software without having to buy their loss-inducing hardware to begin with.
EDIT: Actually, forget that idea...I want Sony to lose money.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 21, 2006, 09:25:22 AM
They need to pay more companies for total exclusivity so they don't release PC versions of games side by side with 360 versions. Most people will simply opt for the PC version because you get a mouse, keyboard and mods.
There's a reason why Halo didn't come out for the PC until literally years after its release on the Xbox. I don't understand why MS doesn't acknowledge that this is the only way they're really going to push the console.
Right now, the 360 isn't bringing in the numbers they had hoped. I'm sure Halo 3 will give it a colossal jump start, but for being the only next-gen system out and having a year head start, they're not taking advantage of the situation.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 21, 2006, 09:26:19 AM
No, that's fully legal except maybe for the waste produced. In fact it's the recommended counterstrategy to dumping, buy up their stock and let them bleed dry. If Sony sells the PS3 at a loss that's their problem. Although I am surprised that selling below cost isn't illegal, it seems to fall under predatory pricing which is an antitrust issue.
Of course that strategy isn't efficient in this case as an unsold console means a bigger loss than a sold one and the additional sales would allow Sony to boast bigger numbers and get more economy of scale benefits. Sure, Sony would have to produce new consoles to replace the ones MS bought but it does drive up the demand. Sony is already scaring enough customers away, I think just sitting back and enjoying the show is enough to kill Sony.
OTOH, there are large numbers of sales for the PSP while the software doesn't sell and Sony alledgedly takes a 200$ loss per unit on those as well... Maybe Nintendo is already employing that strategy?
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 21, 2006, 09:38:21 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k OTOH, there are large numbers of sales for the PSP while the software doesn't sell and Sony alledgedly takes a 200$ loss per unit on those as well... Maybe Nintendo is already employing that strategy?
Nintendo can't afford to do that, though.
My initial theory is that Sony was attempting to pad their sales numbers so that developers would feel safe in creating for the console.
But I've just seen too many sources which seem to indicate that the PSP is indeed selling, just not with any software.
I'm puzzled about the situation, as I've no idea what people would be paying $200 for when they can get movie and MP3 players for much, much cheaper.
Maybe it's become fashionable in the US to own a PSP, just not any games.
Post by: JonLeung on July 21, 2006, 09:40:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Maybe it's become fashionable in the US to own a PSP, just not any games.
Is that kind of like that short-lived fashion statement where one wears headphones that aren't connected to anything (and visibly so)?
It's like...having a cart without the horse. Or something.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 21, 2006, 09:53:26 AM
I'm guessing the PSP is the same deal.
Post by: JonLeung on July 21, 2006, 10:03:35 AM
I remember reading how it was a fashion statement, and they showed a picture of a guy with headphones, with the plug just dangling in front of him.
Weird.
Though I suppose with the PSP you can do stuff on it even if you don't have any games or UMD movies...like listen to MP3s, I guess, but as has already been mentioned, there are cheaper MP3 players...then there're the ROMs that it seems popular for, especially Super NES ones...but yeah, it's selling too well for something that doesn't have a good game library of its own.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 21, 2006, 10:05:12 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung Though I suppose with the PSP you can do stuff on it even if you don't have any games or UMD movies...like listen to MP3s, I guess, but as has already been mentioned, there are cheaper MP3 players...then there're the ROMs that it seems popular for, especially Super NES ones...but yeah, it's selling too well for something that doesn't have a good game library of its own.
That's exactly it.
It's fashionable to have headphones with no device like it MUST be fashionable to have a PSP with no games.
Post by: couchmonkey on July 21, 2006, 12:49:41 PM
I think Nintendo might have enough money to make a strategy like that work (well, ignoring the points KDR made about the problems with that type of strategy) but the company is very careful with its money. That's what this whole Wii thing is about. Nintendo didn't want to pay the high price of making games with 10 hours of pre-rendered movies and professional voice acting, so it came up with a way to keep making games that only cost a few million to develop. Not to say that's wrong, I think it's a really smart strategy, I just want to say that Nintendo does have money.
Post by: Athrun Zala on July 21, 2006, 07:00:43 PM
I mean, after phrases like these....
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Kaz Hirai: It was so secret that people thought we came up with it [right before E3]. But this thing has been in [Ken] Kutaragi's mind for the longest time.
Kaz Hirai: We wanted to make sure that at any stage in the life cycle we're giving consumers the option and not forcing stuff on them that they don't even need.
(I got these form here, there are a lot more....that interview is just ..... lol)
Post by: SixthAngel on July 21, 2006, 08:31:30 PM
Sony is like a friend with a really hot girlfriend that gets plastered one night and hooks up with an ugly girl destroying what he has.
Sony is like that guy you know who takes crazy bets. He is such an idiot that you laugh and can't feel bad for him when he breaks his arm and makes 10 dollars in the proccess.
