Post by: Donutt007 on July 11, 2006, 11:24:01 AM
PS3 or...
Post by: please let me in, please on July 11, 2006, 03:17:24 PM
Post by: Zach on July 11, 2006, 05:23:01 PM
edit: about the PSP bundle, I kinda liked that one, not because of the PSP, but because of how they titled the bundle.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on July 11, 2006, 05:46:51 PM
At an estimated 25.00 per, I could buy 24 Hardback books. That comes to 600.00
At an estimated 7.99 per, I could buy 75 mass-market paperback books. That comes to 599.25.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on July 11, 2006, 06:05:17 PM
AMD Athlon 3800+ X2 - $170
GeForce 7600 GS - $120
Motherboard - $50
1.5 Gigs RAM - $120
Case and PSU - $50
160 Gig Hard Drive - $50
DVD Burner- $40
Having a computer that can PWN the PS3 - Priceless
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 11, 2006, 06:19:42 PM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on July 11, 2006, 06:33:37 PM
Bah. Use a pirated copy of Windows 2000 for Direct X games and have a dual-boot setup with Linux for the rest.
Post by: Ceric on July 12, 2006, 06:28:58 AM
Post by: JonLeung on July 12, 2006, 06:39:16 AM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on July 13, 2006, 08:50:51 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Sir_Stabbalot where did you get your prices from for the the Computer?
Mostly from browsing TigerDirect and NewEgg, except for the price of the CPU, which is currently around $300, but is set to drop to $169 soon.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 13, 2006, 09:36:34 PM
A low-end Mac Mini! It won't run any games (Intel graphics FTW), it won't do better than the average 300$ PC but you're getting BLING-BLING!
Post by: capamerica on July 14, 2006, 04:32:58 AM
If your looking to play games, even on the PC end you don't go out and buy the cheapest thing on the market. Thats just plain dumb. And unless you build the PC yourself its very unlikely you can get a good gaming rig for under $1000. If your looking for a Mac for gaming then you shouldn't go with anything under the low end iMac which retails for $1299.00
@ Sir_Stabbalot - do thouse prices reflect after rebates are sent in? 2GB of RAM for $120 is a good deal, thou you forgot to list why type. Actually another question I have is that will all thouse parts work together, or did you just go out and look for the lowst prices in general? Now don't think I'm saying your mis-informing us, I spent $600 on my current PC but I didn't buy a HDD or a DVD+-RW Drive.
Post by: couchmonkey on July 14, 2006, 05:15:52 AM
I like the "Not Another Betamax" package.
The DS WiFi package was kind of cheesy because they didn't factor in the cost of broadband for their Xbox360 bundle.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 14, 2006, 06:49:22 AM
Maybe you but not me. Mac Minis cost 659 Euros a piece, the PS3 costs 599 Euros and I'm sure there'll be at least some games available for the usual 59.99 Euros. As for the 300€ PC, how's about this?
The whole idea is that you can throw out your PC CPU and replace it with a MacMini
WTF? I want to see that mod. How do you solder an entire computer on your mainboard?
And unless you build the PC yourself its very unlikely you can get a good gaming rig for under $1000.
Well, guess what I'm going? The core components usually cost ~700€ per upgrade while the rest (drives, peripherials, case, etc) remains in place unless I want to specifically upgrade those (bigger HDD FTW).
If your looking for a Mac for gaming then you shouldn't go with anything under the low end iMac which retails for $1299.00
I agree, anything below that wouldn't be worth looking at. But even so the iMac is pretty bad for videogames, in a time where gaming PCs have 2GB or more RAM you can't put 512MB into a computer. The X1600 is also a bit weak for that kind of money. 1300€ is pretty steep for that system.
Post by: capamerica on July 14, 2006, 07:14:27 AM
CPU has two different definitions, CPU can stand for the processor, memory and everything inside the cabinet, or just the microprocessor itself. I was referring to it as a whole PC itself. It was how I was taught to refer to the main system.
The MacMini was no designed for someone like you or me, So lets not even compare it to PCs designed for Gaming. A MacMini is like a eMachine just not with piss poor quility parts. its designed for someone without alot of money and who doesn't play games that require a state of the art videocard.
What can I say Half Life 2, Worlds of WarCraft, Quake4 and Oblivion all run great on a low end iMac with the settings maxed out. It did have 1GB of RAM but thats only a extra $100 (or less if you buy it at a store)
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on July 14, 2006, 09:44:21 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 14, 2006, 10:39:26 PM
Since when can CPU be used to refer to the computer? That's a complete misapropriation of the term. CPU is clearly defined as the control and arithmetic logic unit of a Von Neumann computer.
The MacMini was no designed for someone like you or me, So lets not even compare it to PCs designed for Gaming.
I'm comparing it to an office PC. I could get a gaming PC for that kind of money but that'd be too different to warrant a comparison.
its designed for someone without alot of money and who doesn't play games that require a state of the art videocard.
Which does not explain why it costs more than a friggin PS3.
Post by: capamerica on July 15, 2006, 05:27:18 AM
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CPU
(Central Processing Unit) The computing part of the computer. Also called the "processor," it is made up of the control unit and ALU. Today, the CPUs of almost all computers are contained on a single chip.
The CPU, clock and main memory make up a computer. A complete computer system requires the addition of control units, input, output and storage devices and an operating system.
From the Mainframe Point of View
Computer professionals involved with mainframes and minicomputers often refer to the whole computer as the CPU, in which case, CPU refers to the processor, memory (RAM) and I/O architecture (channels or buses).
Depending on which end of the field you are in, a CPU can mean the processor, memory and everything inside the cabinet, or just the microprocessor itself.
~answers.com
An Office PC is garbage compared to a MacMini, the hardware in cheap office PCs are a joke. The downside to a MacMini is just the videocard, while in a cheap office PC its everything, from the cheap low power RAM and underpowered / low bus processor to the cheap built-in sound and video.
A MacMini is a PC its not a videogame console. So it cost more. Most of your Namebrand PCs cost the same or more then a PS3. You can't make movies or DVDs on a PS3 and you can't do Desktop Publishing or use MS Office on a PS3. Comparing a PS3 to a MacMini (or any other Computer) is like comparing a Mustang Convertible to a 42" HDTV.
Post by: Ymeegod on July 15, 2006, 12:52:14 PM
Why? You're better off with two 512MB sticks in dual channel mode is better off than one 1gb and one 512mb stick. Or even if you buy three 512mb sticks, the two would actually peform better (if you use more slots you're system will slug--find that the hard way.
One GB of ram good enough for today games minus a couple of MMO's but yeah once vista comes out you're better off with 2GB.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on July 15, 2006, 04:22:16 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 15, 2006, 11:22:35 PM
Did you miss the talk about the PS3 running Linux?
Post by: capamerica on July 18, 2006, 04:39:00 AM
And even if it is some what usable I highly dought you'll be able to do any type of multimedia work on it. Plus I don't recall Sony saying that the PS3 will have a DVD-/+R in it.
Your really grasping at straws here aren't you?
Post by: KDR_11k on July 18, 2006, 09:51:23 AM
Post by: capamerica on July 19, 2006, 05:20:55 AM
With just one little sentence any and all respect I had for you got flushed down the toilet. Congrats.
I could waste my time trying to explain to you how technology costs money and that there is no such thing as a good cheap computer but that would be like trying to explain to a 4 year old that Santa isn't real.
Your stupidity on claiming that the MacMini price "is even more insane than the PS3's" is like claiming that the Earth is Flat and that the Sun orbits around the Earth. I mean serious its that level of stupid.
Post by: capamerica on July 19, 2006, 06:12:36 AM
- 2.66Ghz w/ 2MB Cache & 533MHz Frontside Bus - ($119.99)
An actual 1.5GHz Intel Core Solo processor w/ 2MB L2 Cache & 667MHz Frontside Bus would cost $242.99 but I could not find one so I went with the closest thing
- Motherboard w/ Intel GMA950 graphics processor with 64MB, One FireWire 400 port, Four USB 2.0 ports, DVI video output, VGA video output, S-video and composite video output, Built-in 10/100/1000BASE-T Gigabit Ethernet, Built-in Bluetooth 2.0, Built-in 54-Mbps AirPort Extreme wireless networking, Built-in speaker, and Combined optical digital audio input/audio line in & output/headphone out. - ($99.99)
This mother board lacks Wireless, Bluetooth 2.0, DVI video output, and S-video and composite video output
- Wireless card - ($19.99)
- Bluetooth 2.0 - ($14.99)
- Micro case 2/ 240W power ($34.99)
- Remote - ($39.99)
- 60GB Serial ATA - ($39.99)
- DDR2 PC2-5300 512MB RAM - ($46.99)
- CD-RW/DVD-Rom - ($29.99)
- Mac OSX - ($120)
- iLife - ($99)
Total = $665.91 - (MacMini = $599.00)
I think we're getting a pretty good deal from Apple.
The PC we built lacks a few things that the MacMini has But the PC does have a bit more processor power then the basic MacMini.
What does everyone else think?
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 19, 2006, 08:36:58 AM
If you want the PC with 0 software, it'll be $200 less, but that's not enough of a difference to warrant purchasing a POS which can't even survive without a firewall and a pile of security software.
Price out Norton or McAfee into the equation and it'll be accurate.
Post by: Athrun Zala on July 19, 2006, 08:37:12 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 19, 2006, 08:56:42 AM
- iLife - ($99)
220$ in software. For an office machine you can easily use Linux and skip those expenses. Or if you need Windows the OEM Professional version is ~120€. Office is not added to the price since you can use OOo.
I think we're getting a pretty good deal from Apple.
The PC we built lacks a few things that the MacMini has But the PC does have a bit more processor power then the basic MacMini.
If you need every single feature from the Mini, sure, you're getting a great deal. Most of us don't need them and an office PC certainly doesn't. And don't come me with multimedia work, you aren't doing multimedia work (especially video editing) on 512MB RAM and 60GB of HDD.
Let me try the config game:
AMD AM2 Athlon 3000+ Box (1800MHz, 1000MHz FSB) 89.90€
ASUS M2N with VGA ("GeForce 6" + nForce 430, can't be much worse than Intel) 73.90€
Includes IEEE 1394a port (aka Firewire), Gigabit LAN, VGA/DVI-D and VGA/RGB out (one of them supports HDTV), SPDIF, RAID and some other stuff. Really, that's a bit long to type out.
512MB RAM Team Memory DDR2-800 (MC doesn't even list that size for other brands anymore, if you prefer brand RAM the closest I found was 1024MB DDR2 PC533 dualchannel MDT for 64.90€) 49.90€
LC Power 7012 SD (case) 29.90€
LC Power Supersilent 350W (PSU since I'm not sure the case includes one) 22.90€
Samsung 160GB SATA 2 HDD 49.90€
NEC 4571 (DVD writer, 16x) 40.50€
D-Link DWL-G520 (108MBit WiFi, I didn't want one without WPA2 although I always thought that's a software feature... In that case I might opt for an rt26*0 based card for you-know-what) 39.50€
Belkin BlueTooth 2.0 Class1 Adapter USB2.0 20.29€
Couldn't find a remote so I'm going by your price for that. 39.99€ (because we know how that gets converted)
All prices are from the two stores I frequent for that kind of stuff.
Let's see... According to Python that's 456.68 Euros. Not the 300€ cheap office machine but you probably would have complained had I delivered that (Smash_Brother did that IIRC). As you may notice I've taken the liberty to use better parts in some places since I don't want to be accused of using "low quality". I've also made sure to choose brands that sound decent. The result should be capable of comparing quite well to the Mini. In fact it can start comparing with the iMac (1279€!) if you throw a decent graphics card (7600GT for ~ 150€) and a dual core CPU (adds ~150€ as well since I'm too lazy to find a matching mobo for the cheaper 939 CPUs) in there. Also it's extensible since it has PCIe slots which saves money on future upgrades.
The Mac Mini standard is 599€. And it doesn't even have a DVD writer. WTF? Those things are dirt cheap!
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 19, 2006, 09:29:47 AM
I feel bad for the poor sap who is told to work on a Linux build for productivity. Nothing against Linux (aside from the fact that it has more viruses than OSX) but unless the commercial Linux builds have become 5-6X more user friendly since I last used xwindows, I wouldn't call it a "productivity machine" in any sense of the word.
And like I said in the other thread, $200 used mac on eBay (which typically comes with the latest build of OSX) and you're golden for productivity.
But we're seriously derailing the topic here...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 19, 2006, 11:10:49 AM
Good work, guys.
Post by: Athrun Zala on July 19, 2006, 11:41:39 AM
Post by: Requiem on July 19, 2006, 12:51:40 PM
Half the time I don't even know what the hell you guys are talking aboot....
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on July 19, 2006, 02:54:35 PM
Post by: Athrun Zala on July 19, 2006, 03:40:53 PM
Kaspersky and NOD32 are good options (although NOT free), avast! isn't bad for a free AV...
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on July 19, 2006, 04:18:53 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 19, 2006, 06:15:41 PM
PS3 OR...
25,920 hours of World of Warcraft (game included).
30 hours of sex with a cheap Bangkok hooker (7.5 hours with a professional one, don't worry, the link is clean. Can't be sure about the hooker, though)
2 Discount Canadian Vasectomies (source)
1 of 3 Sessions of removal of a Sony-related tattoo
24 inches of skin grafting (source)
60 rectal plugs (good for Sony fans first learning of the PS3's price so as not to sh*t themselves)
160 hours of viagra-induced arousal (a must if you've opted for the hooker)
15,000 ML of Tequila (source)
And of course, the bundle pack:
1 Discount Canadian Vasectomy
3,000 ML of Tequila
16 hours of viagra-induced arousal
8 hours with a cheap Bangkok hooker
40 pack of condoms
And FYI, the cost of a single PS3 game and 2nd controller covers the other 8 hours of viagra time.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 19, 2006, 06:23:54 PM
But just incase Bill ask, how much would it cost to trade the bangkok hooker with a Thai ladyboy?
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 19, 2006, 06:25:26 PM
Does he have to be "pretty"?
Post by: vudu on July 20, 2006, 09:38:12 AM
QuoteWhat the hell are you supposed to do for the other eight hours?
16 hours of viagra-induced arousal
8 hours with a cheap Bangkok hooker
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 20, 2006, 09:54:17 AM
So...
12 girls or lets just say:
10 girl variety pack, and the Viagra to help you actually satisfy.
Post by: couchmonkey on July 20, 2006, 11:57:06 AM
Edit: I love it when a reply post gets knocked to the top of the next page. This is my favourite one ever!
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 20, 2006, 12:09:25 PM
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Originally posted by: vudu What the hell are you supposed to do for the other eight hours?
I could only find it in 4 packs, at 4 hours per pill.
But if you're in Bangkok, I'm sure you can figure something out...
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on July 20, 2006, 12:38:22 PM
Is it just me, or is the forum talk getting raunchier the longer we go without news?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 20, 2006, 12:56:51 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on July 20, 2006, 02:00:08 PM
On the other hand, I think the mods have grown a bit lackadaisical this summer with the lack of news. I keep expecting massive thread locking and banning from Bloodworth at some point.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 20, 2006, 02:05:44 PM
It gives me something to do as I take a 10 minute break every 5 minutes during work.
Seriously.
Post by: oohhboy on July 20, 2006, 02:52:38 PM
Post by: EasyCure on July 20, 2006, 03:21:25 PM
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The price for sex varies from city to city. In Bangkok, an hour of sex will run you between $20 and $80, depending where you go to (massage parlor, Go-Go-bar, coffee house, brothel, disco, outdoor beer bar, street, etc.) and how beautiful the girl is (or at least thinks she is).
best part of smashbro's source
Post by: Renny on July 21, 2006, 06:37:22 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 21, 2006, 07:48:59 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
See, this is why we leave Bill, Pro666, and Super in charge of the humor. They know how to walk the fine line between tasteful and bawdy
Sorry, I didn't intend to go overboard, and if you think what I posted was bad, you should have seen the stuff I researched for price but DIDN'T post...
