Post by: ShyGuy on July 11, 2006, 10:06:20 AM
I've tried the 360 at demo stations, but I could finally get a better feel for the system at home to see if I wanted to go the Wii60 route. Anyways, I hooked the 360 up to a TV running at 480p and got on Xboxlive.
First, the games. He had 3 games for the system so far: Oblivion, Burnout, and PGR.
Oblivion I have already played on the PC and wasn't impressed with the game. Maybe if I spent a few more hours playing it would get interesting.
Burnout is as fun as always, the graphics look nice. I'm not a big fan of racing games, but I liked Burnout. Overall, not a much different experience than playing it on the original xbox.
Project Gotham Racing Haven't tried it yet.
Wanting to get a better taste of what the 360 offered I downloaded some demos off of the Live Marketplace (btw, these things are big! the demos ranged from 400 to 1gb in size. Makes me wonder if the 512 storage is nearly enough on the Wii...)
Kameo Meh, it's pretty but average. Reminds me of StarFox adventures.
Call of Duty 2 I don't like fps on consoles, but this was decent, in a WW2-shooter-I've-played-a-dozen-times-already kind of way.
Tomb Raider Legend It was good, played very similar to the original Tomb Raider. Not a game I would pay full price for on any platform though.
Rumble Roses Crap. bad controls, stiff animations, confusing menu system.
Perfect Dark Zero Ugh. stiff controls, and the graphics were very plain. COD2 is the better FPS on the 360.
Condemned Now this game I like! great atmosphere and graphics. I may get this for the PC.
Geometry Wars Fun asteroids clone, one of the better games I tried on the 360.
PROS:
You can turn the console on and off with the controller.
The Blade interface was cool for a GUI junky like me.
CONS:
Price. Between the premium console, an extra controller, 3 games and a charging unit, my buddy sunk about $650 into this game console. ouch!
Lack of games I want to play. 80% of the lineup seems to be FPS, racing or sports games.
I may check it out again after some games I want to try come out, such as Dead Rising, Bioshock, and Alan Wake. Until then it will probably be Wii only for me.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 11, 2006, 10:34:07 AM
It went from looking very cool to being an iffy FPS.
Post by: ShyGuy on July 11, 2006, 11:45:00 AM
Post by: please let me in, please on July 11, 2006, 03:12:07 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on July 11, 2006, 04:09:40 PM
There are some cool things in the demo, you have a pipe wrench for a melee weapon, an alien bio rifle that can zoom in, and a gun that shoots either hot or cold, depending what spaceship orifice you reload it at.
About halfway through the demo you also get a spirit ability and then you can leave your body and fire a bow and arrow. It made for some clever puzzles.
There are also sensors you shoot to change the gravity (ceiling becomes floor, etc) and portals to hop through.
One cool bit had you go through a portal and then you were shrunk down on a mini planet in glass case in the room.
Keep in mind the game is very demanding. I first tried it on an Athlon64 3000+ with 1gb RAM and GF6600 Video card and it ran slow. I then played it through on a Athlon64 FX55 and an ATI X1900 and it was smooth with the settings maxed.
But back to the 360, anyone else have opinions on it so far?
Post by: bustin98 on July 11, 2006, 04:28:06 PM
Post by: capamerica on July 11, 2006, 07:04:16 PM
The Library is still very lacking, I feel MS really missed out on establishing a large library with the year head start they got. I was really hoping that by now I would have a lot more games to play.
DoA4 is a really fun game, there isn't a demo but you should be able to rent it. The AI is brutal so its very hard.
Dead Rising looks really sweet, I can't wait for it to come out.
as for the Demo download, the fact that the demos range from 400MB to 1GB+ make me feel that CD based games won't be a strech for the Virtual Console on the Wii. I just hope Nintendo ups the Flash Memory to at least 1GB or pushes 1GB+ Memory cards that can store your Virtual Console games and Demos.
Post by: blackfootsteps on July 12, 2006, 12:41:32 AM
The multiplayer is horrendous. I don't know if it just 360 but the lag is unbearable. It got to the point where I could not move at all! The game is out very soon and I wonder if this will be fixed or patched later like Call of Duty. EDIT: The multi reminds me of Quake 3.
RE 360 in general: There aren't that many A rated games i think, however I finished Oblivion this week and it was 90 hours that I loved greatly.
GRAW is an amazing experience and despite not being much of an FPS fan I find myself playing online quite regularly. It must be said however that unless you join a friend's game the waiting to get into a game can be a pain thanks to a pathetic search system. EG it says that there are 10/16 in a room however it doesn't include guests so when you try to join you cant and what's more your room list is reset, forcing a second search.
PDZ was a nostalgia purchase for me, even though I knew it would probably be disappointing. And guess what? It is. Boring single player, passable multi. Skip it unless you get it cheap.
Table Tennis and Fight Night are good distractions and are great with people around.
I must say I've enjoyed my 360 but once the Wii comes out it will inevitably take a backseat as I'm just not that into FPS and Racing games. However, bring on Mass Effect!
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 12, 2006, 06:09:59 AM
I have a slight interest in Ninety Nine Nights and I really hope Namco's Trusty Bell is localized, but that's really all I have on the forecast for now...
Post by: Nephilim on July 12, 2006, 06:48:37 AM
Great:
Fightnight (Amazing effects, fun multi)
burnout (great game, very samey but new look makes it feel refreshed)
COD2 (great game for single or multi)
BF2 (awsome single player, game feels great since i never touched the xbox orginal since it looked awful)
ok:
PGR (burnout looks 5times better and is more FUN)
Oblivion (dont get me started)
Condemned (Decent game, has better AI then oblivion for its first person fighting)
DOA4 (game doesnt add anything new, AI is cheap as ever, its like playing old skool mortal kombat)
Kameo (feel like a game that would of got 8/10 for n64)
sucks:
PDZ (lamest end boss ever, doesnt feel like perfect dark)
Farcry (fps port from 4years ago, game sadly feels 4years old, atleast its rare)
Prey was leaked like a week ago, most people seem to think game is ok who finished it, then again the same people said quake 4 was a great game *shivers*
*edit: and yes iv played all those games, full version at that
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 12, 2006, 06:55:57 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on July 12, 2006, 07:41:53 AM
Lolicon Sports-Race of War!
From the makers of Hello Kitty and Doom, comes the harrowing tale of an underage Japanese space marine girl. Play the game as she rides her tricked out sports car down the field to score points with the ball! Coordinate a win with your teammates over a barren, war-torn football field then use the prize money to upgrade your sweet ride! Watch out for the deadly lolis and mutant space monsters! Unlock Tiku Tiku mode where you can hit the soft part of the transvestitie for massive damage! Careful fighting the boss, you might get tied up and have icecream spilled all over you!
Coming soon to the xbox360, PS3, PS2, PSP and PC. Published by EA.
much love to Bill and matchoor video games!
Post by: Kairon on July 12, 2006, 08:02:06 AM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: EasyCure on July 12, 2006, 08:17:27 AM
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Originally posted by: DeadlyD Kameo (feel like a game that would of got 8/10 for n64)
well it was originally an n64 game so maybe thats why
Post by: Donutt007 on July 12, 2006, 08:19:28 AM
Right now we've got.
DOA4 - kinda weak game, not to thrilled
Perfect Dark Zero - very let down by this game
King Kong - actually a pretty fun game
Quake 4 - pretty bad ass
Need for Speed: Most Wanted - I love this game, my fav that he's got
Condemned - Haven't really played to much, but looks interesting
Overall not the best selections of games, but hey he bought them all with the premium 360 for $500 off of a starving student, so not a bad deal.
Two games that I am looking forward to are Darkness and Dead Rising. Both look like pretty interesting games.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 12, 2006, 08:28:33 AM
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Great reviews, love how the people who replied just said oblivion rules and seems like they havnt tried any other games, bored of this "lacking" attitude, there are 20+ games, heck the person who made this thread listed 5 odd
Great:
Fightnight (Amazing effects, fun multi)
burnout (great game, very samey but new look makes it feel refreshed)
COD2 (great game for single or multi)
BF2 (awsome single player, game feels great since i never touched the xbox orginal since it looked awful)
ok:
PGR (burnout looks 5times better and is more FUN)
Oblivion (dont get me started)
Condemned (Decent game, has better AI then oblivion for its first person fighting)
DOA4 (game doesnt add anything new, AI is cheap as ever, its like playing old skool mortal kombat)
Kameo (feel like a game that would of got 8/10 for n64)
sucks:
PDZ (lamest end boss ever, doesnt feel like perfect dark)
Farcry (fps port from 4years ago, game sadly feels 4years old, atleast its rare)
Prey was leaked like a week ago, most people seem to think game is ok who finished it, then again the same people said quake 4 was a great game *shivers*
*edit: and yes iv played all those games, full version at that
That list of games is why I current don't have a Xbox 360, it is sad when the vast majority of the games are multiplatform or are for PC. Out of that list, including games like GRAW, only PDZ, Kameo, DOA4, and PGR are exclusives.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 12, 2006, 09:30:16 AM
From the makers of Hello Kitty and Doom, comes the harrowing tale of an underage Japanese space marine girl. Play the game as she rides her tricked out sports car down the field to score points with the ball! Coordinate a win with your teammates over a barren, war-torn football field then use the prize money to upgrade your sweet ride! Watch out for the deadly lolis and mutant space monsters! Unlock Tiku Tiku mode where you can hit the soft part of the transvestitie for massive damage! Careful fighting the boss, you might get tied up and have icecream spilled all over you!
Okay, I guess I'd have to buy this if only for the crazy factor! For now I'll just have to be satisfied with Loli Golf...
Post by: KDR_11k on July 12, 2006, 11:10:00 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on July 12, 2006, 11:42:41 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on July 12, 2006, 12:30:08 PM
Hopefully Nintendo will stagger out it's releases, and provide plenty of action on the VC to counteract the post launch drought.
Post by: Kairon on July 12, 2006, 12:52:53 PM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: couchmonkey on July 12, 2006, 12:56:14 PM
Post by: capamerica on July 12, 2006, 06:15:16 PM
-Timeshift
-Dead Rising
-Ninety-Nine Nights
-Enchanted Arms
-Blue Dragon (from the creator of Final Fantasy)
-Gears of War
-Star Trek: Legacy
-Phantasy Star Universe (FU PS2 version)
-Superman Returns
-Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball 2
-Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
-Stranglehold
-Tony Hawk's Project 8 (first real next gen Tony Hawk game. I only buy one per-gen)
-Sonic the Hedgehog
-Mass Effect
Not a bad list, January has some more good games showing up. It will be intresting to see what the PS3 line up is.
I already know Nintendo is going to have a killer line up, As it stands I think this Christmas will be Nintendo's.
Post by: Ymeegod on July 23, 2006, 02:54:25 AM
8/8 Dead Rising
8/18 Ninety-Nine Nights
8/29 Enchanted Arms
For 9/1 there's 2 days from vegas and Blue Dragon
Rounding out that month is Timeshift and Splinter Cell: Double Agent
Gears of wars comes out in Oct.
At least the lineup is getting better.
Post by: Ceric on July 23, 2006, 09:07:10 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 23, 2006, 04:11:28 PM
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That sounds to me as a very respectful line-up. Considering I can't really think of a launch game for the PS3 off the top of my head right this second this bodes well for MS. Looks like a very strong showing. This is what there launch should of had but it still not to late to give the PS3 a good blow in it's core market. Though none of those really cross over to the Wii launch titles domains.
Giant crabs in historic battles, how can you forget a launch game like that?
Post by: Ceric on July 23, 2006, 06:15:04 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 25, 2006, 10:14:43 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion For now I'll just have to be satisfied with Loli Golf...
That's "Hawt Loli Golf".
I don't think the Wii will be hitting that same drought. Unlike the DS, there seem to be a lot more 3rd parties willing to support it, especially since some of them seem to have learned from the DS and have already shown off game footage of their Wii games in development.
And yes, what's the big seller on the 360 this xmas? If it ain't Halo 3, then I don't see it making much of a difference. The 360 has already had one xmas to try and gain a lead and it's still only mediocre, sales wise, especially when you consider that it's the ONLY next gen console out there.
The PS3's launch lineup, from what I've heard, isn't even worth mentioning. Pure garbage across the board.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 25, 2006, 12:29:08 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion For now I'll just have to be satisfied with Loli Golf...
That's "Hawt Loli Golf".
I don't think the Wii will be hitting that same drought. Unlike the DS, there seem to be a lot more 3rd parties willing to support it, especially since some of them seem to have learned from the DS and have already shown off game footage of their Wii games in development.
And yes, what's the big seller on the 360 this xmas? If it ain't Halo 3, then I don't see it making much of a difference. The 360 has already had one xmas to try and gain a lead and it's still only mediocre, sales wise, especially when you consider that it's the ONLY next gen console out there.
The PS3's launch lineup, from what I've heard, isn't even worth mentioning. Pure garbage across the board.
It appears there is a good chance that Gears of War will be the big seller this christmas. Even though I am far from impressed with the game it has been getting a fair amount of hype and I am sure MS will push it even more right around its release date. Maybe that is a good thing to ask my mentor at MS, what he believes their big system seller will be this Christmas!
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 25, 2006, 12:42:04 PM
If it's anything, it'll likely be Gears of War.
...But it still wouldn't bring in the numbers that Halo 3 would bring.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 25, 2006, 01:11:05 PM
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Good idea.
If it's anything, it'll likely be Gears of War.
...But it still wouldn't bring in the numbers that Halo 3 would bring.
That is definately true, but if MS plays their cards right maybe they can make it into a franchise close to or as popular as Halo. I was going to say Too Human has potential to be a big system seller if it comes out this year, but I have had a feeling that the game may end up bombing. So I guess Gears of War will have to remain the only potential system seller this year for Xbox 360.
Post by: capamerica on July 25, 2006, 05:15:24 PM
Sadly I have a bad feeling about it. As much as I would love for it to be a hit I'm not holding my breath.
Maybe Nintendo saw what was done and thats why they let Silicon Knights free to develop it for a different system. Nintendo didn't want to drop any money into it, So along comes MS whole likes to dig threw Nintendo's trash and snagged up Too Human just like they did for Rare.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 25, 2006, 11:03:54 PM
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PennyArcade wasn't to happy with what they saw at E3 for Too Human.
Sadly I have a bad feeling about it. As much as I would love for it to be a hit I'm not holding my breath.
Maybe Nintendo saw what was done and thats why they let Silicon Knights free to develop it for a different system. Nintendo didn't want to drop any money into it, So along comes MS whole likes to dig threw Nintendo's trash and snagged up Too Human just like they did for Rare.
You are most likely right, heck I don't believe Silicon Knights has released a game since Twin Snakes. They are worse than Rare when it comes to a lack of games, and like Rare they may be starting to go downhill. After what I seen with Rare and now Knights, I am beginning to trust Nintendo's judgement when it comes to who to keep and who to let go.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 26, 2006, 06:43:34 AM
It looked like a bad 3rd person shooter: the attacks seemed very, VERY automated, like Powerstone where you kept mashing the same button and it would make your character execute a combo.
The character always seemed to finish the combo by pulling out his machine guns and shooting in a circle around him, regardless if there were any enemies around or not. This indicates that the attacks are largely out of the hands of the player.
Post by: Requiem on July 26, 2006, 08:44:36 AM
ED was a milestone in my opinion. It was the first game that mind-****ed me. After a while, I was like "ok, it's just another sanity-effect", yet I was still fooled when "flys" appeared on the screen (I actually got up and tried to swap them, only to realize the damn game tricked me).
Also, the "disk-read error" scared the hell out of me! I hadn't saved for a while and it would of completely ****ed me had it been true, but of course, it was the game just messsing with my head.
Now, I wish Nintendo (owning the rights to sanity-effects) would make something akin to ED, but in a faster-paced game. A game like RE and ED combined; where I am constantly in fear of some horrible monster eating me, and I don't know whether to trust what I see or not. Something like that has so much potential and has the ability to scare the living sh!t out of you.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 26, 2006, 08:53:29 AM
Around the time when they and Nintendo kinda parted ways, it was clear that Nintendo MUST have had the ideas for the Wii and would have known it would have made a better development platform for SK.
Too Human still has a chance to be a good game, but I agree that nothing I saw looked any more impressive than "Project Hammer".
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if PH was based upon similar ideas: both are based around a cyborg protagonist who is the last hope for humanity and both of them are 3rd person fighting games where the player slays similar looking foes.
However, I have more hope for Hammer because if it'll let me swing the Wiimote and crush the robots on screen, then it'll likely be great stress relief.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 26, 2006, 09:11:18 AM
Post by: SixthAngel on July 26, 2006, 06:42:08 PM
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Around the time when they and Nintendo kinda parted ways, it was clear that Nintendo MUST have had the ideas for the Wii and would have known it would have made a better development platform for SK.
That is even more reason to let SK go. While I liked the insanity effects and story in Eternal Darkness it played badly. Fighting enemies became a chore and while I liked the rune spell idea casting them in battle was impossible because of the huge time they took. I feel that they would have not grasped how to make a good game with the wii. Their past games have had their gameplay based on tried and true methods and they would have no base for how their next game would play if it used a new controller.
Post by: Ymeegod on July 27, 2006, 07:08:15 AM
Maybe the reason they left it because of how bad both ED and MGS TS sold? Naw, that couldn't be it--why would developers or publisher want money.
Post by: capamerica on July 27, 2006, 07:13:42 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on July 27, 2006, 09:26:07 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 27, 2006, 09:56:30 PM
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Naw, Denis Dyack is just a brown noser and an ear tickler. He gushed all over Sega and Microsoft too.
Because he's French-Canadian, can we call him a french tickler?
Post by: KDR_11k on July 27, 2006, 10:21:43 PM
You make it sound like SK has a reason to expect big sales. Look a their track record, none of their games sold well.
Post by: Requiem of Darcness on July 28, 2006, 07:59:11 AM
Twin Snakes has no ad campaign. Nintendo gathered the dev team and footed the bill for development. Konami on the other had just whined about lack of sales when they did little to advertise the game. They claimed that they didn't want Twin Snakes to interfere in with MGS3 sales eventhough Twin Snakes game out 6 months before MGS3. Eternal Darkness was another victim of poor advertising. Nintendo didn't even advertise it in Nintendo Power. Plus it had what a month of sparse advertising. If TS or ED got a worthy ad campaign both titles would have sold well.
