Post by: MaryJane on July 06, 2006, 01:38:45 AM
At first I was pissed but in a comical way almost, because I thought to myself, Nintendo is a serious contender this time around developer seem to really like the system, and it was fairly well received at E3 by those who played it. So what made his statement funny to me was that they were just being totally ignorant, like most of the gaming community.
Then it hit me. In terms of what he was actually talking about before he made that seemingly erroneous statement (the power oof the PS3) the Wii shouldn't have been included in that statement.
Nintendo has brought this on themselves (personally I don't mind) people are going to view the Wii, as a less serious machine, because Nintendo wants them too. We all talk about how all the power of the PS3 and 360 are unnecessary when the games remain stagnant and I believe this to be true. But then we have the general public. The sheep of the world who's only source of knowledge comes from the mouths of people who are in broadcasting*. So all these people know is that, PS3 is the most powerful system, and then 360. Before you say that GC was more powerful than the PS2 ask yourselves how many people really knew this since Nintendo didn't market it?? I had a two hour argument with 2 of my friends trying to explain to them that GC was more powerful than PS2, and I only won the argument with logic, I couldn't even find facts to help me, or at least I couldn't think where to get them at the time...
So now it's time for the Nex-Gen system to arrive, and in this age where laptops are catching up to desktops Sony and Microsoft are only going to talk about the power of their machines and their respective HD capabilities. Unless Nintendo can make a big enough splash come launch date (which HAS to be before PS3 to have hope) the question really will be 360 or PS3.
Nintendo wanted to stand out in the video game market, I just hope this move doesn't have them standing alone wondering where the money went.**
*On a random side note: Is it just me or are there more and more people with british accents on T.V nowadays? I usually don't watch live T.V usually only movies or documentaries that I record on Tivo but yesterday I did because of my boredom, and everyone had a british accent.*
** I not only want Nintendo's plan to succeed, but I think it can. It just isn't going to be easy**
Post by: thejeek on July 06, 2006, 01:53:30 AM
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*On a random side note: Is it just me or are there more and more people with british accents on T.V nowadays? I usually don't watch live T.V usually only movies or documentaries that I record on Tivo but yesterday I did because of my boredom, and everyone had a british accent.*
TV exports from the UK bring in like a billion dollars a year. God knows where all that programming goes - much of the TV I watch here is from the US...
Post by: Requiem on July 06, 2006, 04:53:22 AM
It's not being seen as a serious game machine isn't bad at all. You see, Nintendo needs to seperate themselves from the pack in order to attract new gamers. It needs to dash away any preconseption people might have of videogames, be it negative or positive, and replace it with their vision. And that is videogames aren't here to distract or detract from your daily life, and utterly waste your time. No. They are here to complement your life, and enhance your enjoyment of each day (hence Nintendo's goal for the Wii to be turned on everyday). And if Nintendo can show the connection between the DS (the handheld that proves their vision) and the Wii, they have a very strong case.
As for the PS3 and 360, they only help Nintendo's arguments because they are exactly what non-gamers don't need.
And don't worry, Nintendo will continue to find the right publications and press to advertise their system (e.g. CNN, Discovery), so the media is not a problem.
Post by: couchmonkey on July 06, 2006, 05:46:48 AM
Post by: MaryJane on July 06, 2006, 07:20:36 AM
1. For the sake of hardcore games show Red Steel, or MP3 show someone in the game as the main character they kill a few creatures or people depending on the game, and then it zooms out to the real world, and show how the person movements are being translated onto the screen.
2. For "non"-gamers I would say either Nintendogs, or Trauma Center would be ideal. "Simpler"(in terms of video games) people need a simpler commercial, just show people playing enjoying and learning. Or perhaps, well at least for Nintendogs, show the person doing something in game, and then with their real dog. I think Trauma Center would require too many disclaimers for that idea, but you get the point.
My other fear is Nintendo becoming a non-gamer only console. I know it isn't likely but if only the non-games break a million as much as Nintendo says they're not going to forget about us, they are going to go where the money is.
I think Nintendo will succeed that show just put this idea in my head, and I was wondering what other thought.
Post by: ShyGuy on July 06, 2006, 08:28:11 AM
....Please take me serious.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 06, 2006, 08:40:04 AM
Post by: JonLeung on July 06, 2006, 08:40:14 AM
If you're serious about games, then you can't NOT include Nintendo.
I think the definitions of "hardcore" and "serious" and other such terms are quite muddled up. Oh, and "mature". Kinda.
Post by: Jin-X on July 06, 2006, 09:10:03 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 06, 2006, 09:12:47 AM
Don't you know the only kind of serious games and serious game systems are those that support HD, have bloated specs and bloated costs, and focus on gamers geared toward men ages 18-27.
Nintendo can't be a serious gaming machine, because they are actually focused on real gameplay enhancments for all types of games for all types of gamers.
Post by: Rhoq on July 06, 2006, 09:21:09 AM
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Well,
Don't you know the only kind of serious games and serious game systems are those that support HD, have bloated specs and bloated costs, and focus on gamers geared toward men ages 18-27.
****...I'm outside of the targetted demographic! Why have the gaming gods forsaken me?
Speaking of Forsaken I used to love that game on the N64. Who ever holds the licenses to the old Acclaim properties should seriously consider bringing it back. The Wii controller would be perfect for a game like this.
Post by: JonLeung on July 06, 2006, 09:26:10 AM
But really...I find the all-too-common "Nintendo exclusion" ludicrous. Even in those periods when the GameCube was slightly ahead of the Xbox in sales people were still always asking "Xbox or PS2?"/"PS2 or Xbox?"
Apparently serious gaming machines don't include Nintendo consoles, any handhelds, computers, or arcade games.
Post by: Ian Sane on July 06, 2006, 10:14:34 AM
Post by: EasyCure on July 06, 2006, 10:40:15 AM
you're supposed to PLAY a video game, and you cant play anything seriously, it takes the fun out of it. Example: sports. say you and a few buddies decide to go out to the park and throw the ol' football around, or break out the old basketball for quick, fun game. you're not taking it seriusly. if you're on the highschool/college football or basketball team, you're not playing the game for fun. you're playing the game seriously in order to contend with others playing the game seriously, contending for a prize.
nintendo isn't contending to "win." you can't win. there is no video game world cup, no world series, nothing of the sort. they, like the other two companies are contending only for $$$ but there is no win. nintendo though, unlike the other two companies, is contending with a machine built around playing games for fun. sony/microsoft are contending with machines that bring you software that is contending with eachother. thus resulting in the stagnation of the industry. the developers under their hats are contending for the BEST fps, the BEST sports title, the BEST fighting game. not the funnest though.
when everyone out there is trying to be the best, they take things way too seriously in an industry that is ultimately about making entertainment. instead everyone should be trying to make their games the FUNNEST to play, no matter what type of game it is. add something new to games to make them fun, set them apart from the other ones. if not all we get is the same old rehashes of series that aren't all that fun anymore because instead of trying to be fun, they are trying to be the best since the best makes the most $$$. thats when we get stuck with 5 different types of WW sims coming out every other month or so.
nintendo is trying to bring the fun of video game to the masses, not bringing hd dvd/bluray players to the masses. if that means that Wii isn't a "serious" game machine, so be it. i dont want a machine i spend my hard earned cash on thats supposed to play videa games NOT to be fun. i want to get the most out of my dollar and have it the most fun playing it. video games are supposed to be fun, not serious.
Wii: the fun machine mk II
Post by: MaryJane on July 06, 2006, 10:45:28 AM
Serious as in: "The Dodge Charger SRT-8(my beautiful car) is a serious car, the Honda Civic is not."
The serious in serious gaming machine is akin to purposeful, and meaningful, as opposed to rigid and lacking fun.
I still get what you guys are saying though.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 06, 2006, 10:56:02 AM
And this isn't counting the forced bundles you'll see this fall.
Post by: JonLeung on July 06, 2006, 10:58:38 AM
In any case I wouldn't care what whoever else says, at least on an individual basis. It's just that the seemingly irrational exclusion of Nintendo is an epidemic, but the Wii is on track to change that. It'll be different...in a good way.
Post by: EasyCure on July 06, 2006, 11:24:35 AM
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Originally posted by: MaryJane
you're all taking serious way too literally.
Serious as in: "The Dodge Charger SRT-8(my beautiful car) is a serious car, the Honda Civic is not."
The serious in serious gaming machine is akin to purposeful, and meaningful, as opposed to rigid and lacking fun.
I still get what you guys are saying though.
well if ps3 and 360 are considered purposeful and meaningful, then i'd rather not have those calling it so even thinking about Wii. those who think that way will not see how the Wii is MORE purposeful and meaningful then a multi-media machine that also plays video games.
when the Wii launches and begins to shake things up, only then will people see it as "serious" in terms of contending. until then i say let the ingorant media as well as fanboys clammer on and on about "ps3 or 360?" and watch the look on their faces when Wii is making a big splash.
Post by: MaryJane on July 06, 2006, 12:19:29 PM
All I'm saying is how it is perceived. Was the GameCube a tiku tiku tiku! system? I don't think so. It had a lot of good not childish games. However, it was perceived as tiku tiku tiku! and therefore ignored. If people think of the Wii as a joke and don't buy it, it's hurts us all. Now of course there is the whole playing is believing thing.
Nintendo really needs to launch before ps3, and not only launch before it, but launch with enough time for word of mouth to spread before the ps3 hits. Everyone likes good graphics o.k. Even the people who post on these boards. Now most if not all of you here understand that good graphics isn't the final word, but to people who only play sports, racing, and Grand Theft Auto games, that is all that matters.
What I'm really trying to get at, and I did say before, and I think you're all aware of it, is that the media dictates the masses opinions. If they say the only two systems that matter this year are the PS3 and 360, it'll be rather difficult for you and I to convince them otherwise. Maybe it won't be too hard if PS3's burn out as easily as 360's, and has the same number of good games.
Post by: Athrun Zala on July 06, 2006, 01:32:01 PM
.....the thing is, they're misusing the word serious, because by definition a "serious" gaming machine would focus on, guess what, just games, not on pushing some DRM'd format that doesn't help the industry or something along those lines.......which would make Nintendo the only one.....interesting.....
Post by: lastexit on July 06, 2006, 04:03:07 PM
When a tv/magazine/etc news segment comes on about "serious" game machines THE VAST MAJORITY of people tune out. They are bored, like you tune out when a Centrum Silver commercial comes on.
Will it be ignored, then? No. PS3 and 360 an have the entire "video game channel" all to themselves for all Nintendo cares. THEY will be ignored everywhere else, while Wii becomes a product known everywhere through all kinds of word of mouth and alternate discussions. The DS has gotten popular how?
Post by: MaryJane on July 06, 2006, 04:52:55 PM
Where does it says in the laws of the universe that just because we think the Wii is a great system it is going to automatically succeed?
Yes you can look at the DS and say that Nintendo is going to follow that formula, but there is only one problem with that. The only competition for the DS was the PSP. And there were no good games for it. Nintendo has, and will always dominate the handheld market, consoles are an entirely different segment. People who love their ps2's are going to buy a ps3, plain and simple, where it's going to count, is can Nintendo pull those people away after the ps3 launch. You can't compare the success of the DS and the failure of the PSP to the Wii and PS3. The scenario is reversed, Sony is the leader and Nintendo is trying to steal some of their thunder, yes I know Nintendo will make better games, but you're thinking too narrowly, you're only seeing the market from a Nintendo fan's point of view. I believe Iwata said that the Wii, only does as good as the GC did, Nintendo has a big hill to climb.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 06, 2006, 07:41:53 PM
Someone could make a new Descent, Wiki says the rights to that have run out in 2002. The Wii controller could probably handle the controls for that pretty well. OTOH, you could just as well invent your own IP for that.
Post by: oohhboy on July 06, 2006, 09:58:46 PM
Be as serious as serious Sam. Your life will be much better for it.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 07, 2006, 03:51:26 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 07, 2006, 04:13:56 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on July 07, 2006, 05:18:41 AM
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Originally posted by: MaryJane
I think assumption has taken over.
Where does it says in the laws of the universe that just because we think the Wii is a great system it is going to automatically succeed?
It's true that this is not going to be as easy as the DS versus PSP, but there are a few reasons why the assumption that Wii will best PS3 might be correct:
1. Sony has screwed up so much. The high price, being last to launch, and a boring launch lineup all spell trouble for Sony. Even the Japaense developers, gamers and press are out for Sony's blood. In the end they may eat PS3 up anyway, but looking at it from a pre-launch day perspective, Sony's in pretty bad shape.
2. Nintendo has done so much right. There are some worries here and there: will the price be low enough? Will the control kinks be worked out? Will storage become an issue? But the launch games and the early 2007 lineup look great, potentially the best a console has seen. More importantly, the system looks like fun: more fun than the other two.
3. The line-ups at E3. Again, I can't say how this will translate in the real world, but it can't possibly be a bad sign.
4. Third parties. SNK and Rockstar are onboard, Square Enix has two games in the works, and EA has created a studio dedicated to Wii development. Third party support definitely seems to be turning around for Wii. Granted the same seemed to be the case for GameCube in the early going, but the early support for Wii is even more dramatic.
Post by: Ian Sane on July 07, 2006, 08:07:18 AM
I think it's going to succeed entirely because the PS3's price is so insanely high it looks like that will totally butcher their sales and Nintendo will be the de facto choice for Japanese third parties as a result. That's it. In my mind Nintendo is merely just screwing up less than Sony this time. It's much like how I consider Sony's rise to power merely to be because Nintendo and Sega just screwed up so huge while Sony didn't.
Post by: Kairon on July 07, 2006, 11:38:59 AM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 07, 2006, 11:52:54 AM
~~~~~
Wii will succeed because Nintendojo lacked a significant presence at E3 this year.
The GameCube failed the last generation because Nintendojo cursed Nintendo with their antics at E3 2001.
End of Discushin.
Post by: Kairon on July 07, 2006, 12:02:38 PM
So... doesn't that mean that Microsoft should be looking like a very very good bet this generation to "win?"
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Post by: JonLeung on July 07, 2006, 12:05:20 PM
I'm sure you can get a decent-enough video card for even less than an Xbox 360 would cost.
Post by: Ian Sane on July 07, 2006, 12:10:31 PM
You can't win if you're a complete bust in Japan. It's too important of a market to have virtually no presence in. Nintendo has the potential to do well in Japan and North America so it has the upperhand. The Japanese don't really care about American games so a strong American presence doesn't help. However Americans buy Japanese games so winning in Japan has the more worldwide effect. I think MS can do quite well and maybe even be the market leader in North America. But they can't have that sort of NES/Playstation type of dominance without Japan. The best MS can achieve is a SNES/Genesis scenario where one is the market leader but the other has enough marketshare that they're practically equals.
Post by: Requiem on July 07, 2006, 12:27:10 PM
-- Wow, it's been a while since I agreed with Ian, but he pretty much summed it up.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 07, 2006, 12:54:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane I think it's going to succeed entirely because the PS3's price is so insanely high it looks like that will totally butcher their sales and Nintendo will be the de facto choice for Japanese third parties as a result. That's it. In my mind Nintendo is merely just screwing up less than Sony this time. It's much like how I consider Sony's rise to power merely to be because Nintendo and Sega just screwed up so huge while Sony didn't.
Couldn't have put it better.
Nintendo is just doing everything right this time around:
-new control scheme but also keeping the "old skool" controllers around for Wiimote xenophobes
-downloadable library of thousands of former console games spanning 5-7 previous consoles (I know people who have said they'll buy a Wii for this reason alone)
-lowest price of all three
-cheapest GAMES of all three
-backwards compatibility with the GC, allowing you to plug in GC controllers to boot
-use of most 3rd party USB devices as storage instead of selling expensive memory cards
-small form factor so it won't take up much room in an entertainment center
-large appeal to 3rd parties, many of whom are making games for the console without Nintendo having to pay them to do so
-f*cking amazing launch lineup, with MP3, Zelda: TP and Wario Ware available at launch
-not appearing to be crazy and eccentric like Sony
I think the aforementioned will win them the console war this gen. I just can't imagine them not pulling off 1st in Japan and at least 2nd in the US.
Post by: MaryJane on July 07, 2006, 02:22:29 PM
If early third party developers have doubts about the system, that can be taken care of by a strong or even decent launch like the DS. Yes many devs says we can't wait to make games for this system... but they did. They waited until it was well received, and I still think that initially ps3 will be well received, which could make it go strong for 2 or 3 years (half a cycle) before people realize the error in their way. Those 2.5 years could be damaging to the Wii.
Sony is making some mistakes... to us. A good number of people agree with Sony's philosophy that more money means better stuff. They will be willing to pay the ludicrous launch price, if even just to say "Hey look at what I can afford". I see the price point being a much greater issue in Japan where even the size of the beast may be an issue. But there is no denying the hype and fanfare surrounding the ps3, it may be hard to imagine, but people are just as excited about the ps3 as we are about the Wii. Strange huh? Not really, its about loyalty and expectations. The worst that can happen to the PS3 is that it will have just as hard a time as the Wii to convince people it's worth buying. Except that Sony has a better hype machine, and much better liars.
Nintendo's launch does look strong from this side of september, but it needs to be timely. Nintendo could totally screw this up by simply releasing on the wrong date. They need word of mouth more than anything for a system like this, and they need it to spread before Sony can plant it's virus in millions of homes. They aren't just trying to convince one group of people anymore but technically 3. The first and foremost, is the most obvious the hard core gamer. The second and almost as equally obvious if you pay attention to Nintendo news Which can be found 24/7 at Planetgamecube.com is the non-gamer who has never or hasn't recently played video games. The third is the non-gamer who owns a DS and only non-games for it. They can neither afford to stretch themselves too thin, nor focus too much on one group, they need to simultaneously offer something for everybody, and find a way to tell them all about it. That isn't going to be easy, and will take awhile.
As for Microsoft, yes they are doing a lot of things right, but I ask you where are the games? Thus far into the 360's life I can say that there have honestly been 3 games that have made me think of buying the games... but not the system itself. Battle for Middle Earth, is kind of making me want to buy a 360 though. My biggest gripe with the 360 is its lack of quality. They burn out? How does something that costs $400 burn out in less than 60 days??? It's quite ridiculous. For all the things Microsoft did right, they still have many hurdles to climb, as mentioned earlier winning over the japanese, which is nearly impossible for an american to do.
I hope I'm worrying for nothing and Nintendo will send me a big "No Worries Mon" With an early - mid October launch date allowing AT LEAST 30 days to pass between their launch and Sony's.
Oh and forget the word serious, geez it just means like a serious contender, not how anal the system itself is.
Post by: EasyCure on July 07, 2006, 02:34:14 PM
the wii has potential to do extremely well this holiday for uninformed parents (you know, the majority of them) that have heard all year about how their kids want a ps3 and show up to a gamestop or something and find out its $499 for the cheaper model. atleast in my area, they wont stand for it. they wont want to walk away empty handed so its either buying a few games for whichever system they already have or the Wii.
the reason i'll assume wii in this situation is because if you were a sales person, a semi-smart one atleast, and some mother coming to spend xmas money on her kid asks for some help you would think that if this person knows their business, they'd make more money on selling a Wii (a bundle no doubt) then a few older games. moms dont know what games their kids have so theres chance they'll end up having to return whatever games they buy, so its safert offer something the kid wont have because Wii would still be a new product.
i guess this post was still kinda long but its shorter than what i had in mind. hope that made some sense atleast...
Post by: EasyCure on July 07, 2006, 02:40:46 PM
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I hope I'm worrying for nothing and Nintendo will send me a big "No Worries Mon" With an early - mid October launch date allowing AT LEAST 30 days to pass between their launch and Sony's.
since when does nintendo have a jamaican accent???
Post by: Ian Sane on July 07, 2006, 03:00:40 PM
Who are these people though? A big part of the Playstation's success is because when it launched in comparison to the Saturn is was the "cheap" console. The Playstation also had the advantage that its games were way cheaper than the N64's. A lot of the appeal of the Playstation brand has been the huge sh!tload of games and the affordable price. Sony's never had a huge successful videogame system with an inflated price. Until the PSP (which doesn't qualfiy as a huge success) Sony consoles have been pretty affordable. The truth is a huge chunk of their previous userbase might just flat out not be able to afford a PS3. The Playstation traditionally has been a mass market product. Now suddenly it's a high-end product. One analyst recently compared it to Sony switching from family sedans to sports cars.
Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on July 07, 2006, 07:21:52 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 07, 2006, 09:54:12 PM
I see the PS3 like the PSP, at first everyone will talk about how great it is and how it's going to win big time but it's going to start mediocrely and it's only downhill from there. Higher price = less money left in the entertainment budget, higher priced games = the remaining money won't buy many games => lower game sales => fewer game releases => PSP.
Sony fanboys are going to gobble up the PS3, sure, but the ilent majority, the people that don't bother to post on internet forums and the like, the people that see games as yet another entertainment medium like movies and CDs, that don't put any time into researching games (the people I call casual gamers), what are they going to do?
Post by: Kairon on July 07, 2006, 10:05:27 PM
I'm just saying. *shrug*
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Nephilim on July 07, 2006, 10:15:59 PM
I think Nintendo fans are the only ones outraged by the price, because people will proudly buy games like oblivion for full price, when pc gamer can get it for 10american cheaper (30aussie)
Price doesnt seem to effect buying at all, as people normally only get 1 game at launch anyway, its just the games bought after that and with the market most people proberly only buy 1 game at a time so it wouldnt effect it much
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 08, 2006, 06:14:07 AM
I suspect though that the first 4 months or so that prices will be very high...but eventually they will drop.
I expect the same to happen with the Xbox 360...game prices will drop. Specially if you can buy a Wii game for much cheaper. Comparing prices on the shelf, I don't care about power or graphics or what not.
If I can get a system for at least $100.00 less, and games for atleast $10-15 less, I am going with that system. Because it means my budget is freer for everything else in life that I need.
Post by: Kairon on July 08, 2006, 02:33:11 PM
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Everyone is screwing up. Nintendo manages to have the largest good decision - bad decision discrepancy this gen.
How has MS screwed up this Gen? I'm just interested, I can't pin down any specific point of criticism.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 08, 2006, 11:15:18 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Everyone is screwing up. Nintendo manages to have the largest good decision - bad decision discrepancy this gen.
How has MS screwed up this Gen? I'm just interested, I can't pin down any specific point of criticism.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Well a few that I can think of is a terrible Japanese launch (that really hurts a video game company), hardware reliability, huge drought in between games, and lack of hardware (though it is much better now, but it took way too long to take care of demand).
Post by: Ceric on July 09, 2006, 04:38:54 AM
Post by: Athrun Zala on July 09, 2006, 09:32:21 PM
Quotewell, BluRay *does* point towards more expensive games.... (plus the game's development, etc)
Originally posted by: Kairon
Maybe... PS3 game prices WON'T be as high as we think...
I'm just saying. *shrug*
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: couchmonkey on July 10, 2006, 09:16:55 AM
I read a few people arguing that the system just wasn't offering anything that new or exciting at the time it launched and I sort of agree, but that's a pretty vague "mistake".
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 10, 2006, 12:16:34 PM
On the subject of devs and the PS3:
A survey released in the latest issue of of Japan's Ge-Maga magazine, which IGN purports to be the oldest videogame magazine in Japan, revealed that many Japanese developers are unhappy with the current state of the PS3 for a variety of reasons. A quick summary:
- 90.29% of those surveyed disagreed with the PS3's price point.
- 56.31% disagree with the multiple SKUs.
- 55.82% think the console will not sell with its current announced lineup (what about Riiiiidge Raaaacer?).
- While 48.54% are unphased, 32.52% of those survey were less confident with the PS3 after its E3 showing.
- 62.13% feel the PS3 won't reach its goal of 6 million units sold by March 2007.
90% of the Japanese developers polled disagree with the price point, which means that they don't think it'll sell at that price. That is the worst news Sony has been delivered yet.
If the devs don't have faith in the console, it's doomed.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 10, 2006, 12:27:31 PM
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I'll give MS some slack on the Hardware replenishing side since they've had to redesign and replace the system a lot. On paper they did things so much better hardware wise this time. Bad thing the actual equipment didn't work out.
That is not the reason behind their lack of replenishing, it was poor planning and being ill prepared to have a worldwide launch. Heck look at the excess amount of 360's there were in Japan, that shows me piss poor planning when it comes distribution.
Post by: MaryJane on July 10, 2006, 05:37:37 PM
Win = most units, and games sold, not shipped, but sold.
I believe it is possible for Nintendo to do this, but I'm not holding my breathe, people are people. How many people bought a ps2 for and 1 game for $500 when it first came out? A LOT!!! o.k well just 2 people that I know who are kind of idiots, but i'm sure they weren't the only ones. How many people paid $1200 for xbox360 when there was a shortage, I don't know any of them personally but I know a good friend of mine made a killing buying from japan and reselling on ebay. The more people want something, the more they'll pay for it.
I still think Ninty can win though.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 10, 2006, 06:33:20 PM
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Post by: KDR_11k on July 10, 2006, 10:08:06 PM
It means they don't like it and nothing else.
How many people bought a ps2 for and 1 game for $500 when it first came out? A LOT!!! o.k well just 2 people that I know who are kind of idiots, but i'm sure they weren't the only ones. How many people paid $1200 for xbox360 when there was a shortage, I don't know any of them personally but I know a good friend of mine made a killing buying from japan and reselling on ebay. The more people want something, the more they'll pay for it.
If that's their target demographic they're going to sell between 1000 and 5000 consoles overall. Most people cannot throw 500-600$ at a console and usually there's something called a "wife" that will interfere as well.
Post by: couchmonkey on July 11, 2006, 07:56:12 AM
- While 48.54% are unphased, 32.52% of those survey were less confident with the PS3 after its E3 showing.
- 62.13% feel the PS3 won't reach its goal of 6 million units sold by March 2007.
So technically only 62% said it won't sell well. The other stat there is probably the most interesting though, because it gives you an idea of whether or not that developer might withdraw some support. About 1/3 are "less confident", which is pretty high, but that means that most developers are still confident (maybe even more confident, where's that last 20%?), and the phrase "less confident" is pretty weak, it hardly translates to, "We're withdrawing support". It means that up to 1/3 might be thinking about withdrawing support, but most of those probably won't until they start to see actual sales figures.
Edit: My personal prediction (not that it matters
) is that the system will sell 6 million by March. It's after that that things may start to get hairy for Sony, unless some major game releases happen by April.
