Post by: Requiem on July 01, 2006, 05:53:38 AM
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About Zelda Twilight Princess
They don't know if it will be in two SKU in Europe, or just one with both the GCN and the Wii versions. They're studying right now the cost for the final user and the viability of these options in our continent to make the right choice.
What about the rest of the world? We would all love a double-disc Zelda.
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Post by: Requiem on July 01, 2006, 07:04:31 AM
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That would piss me off.
Why?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 01, 2006, 07:27:29 AM
Post by: Ceric on July 01, 2006, 07:58:42 AM
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Post by: Kairon on July 01, 2006, 02:25:34 PM
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on July 01, 2006, 11:05:26 PM
Post by: Mario on July 01, 2006, 11:44:09 PM
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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
That would piss me off.
Why?
Because he's not in Europe.
Post by: ruby_onix on July 02, 2006, 12:47:21 AM
Post by: Ceric on July 02, 2006, 06:13:19 AM
NOA... They couldn't make a decision like that because there working on there next Promo Packaging for Press and getting whipped by NCL. Did you see how the DS Lite come to the Press? They openned the box lights came on and music played presenting the system. I think that if the press gets something like that then every first run DSL should have been packaged like that. It almost makes you think that the press is the tartget consumer. Oh wait... If we could get Matt to raise a stink about why not have it here in the states and every other Nintendo press editor of any clout. We could get it. Especially if. somehow or another, the corporate buyers for Videogames to Walmart, Sears Holding, Target, GameStop (The whole company), Circuit City, Best Buy, etc. kept asking to buy the dual disc set because there is a demand for it. We get it then. But this is the USA(M if you part of the Senate or are dear President). Home of the Silent Majority.
Post by: Athrun Zala on July 02, 2006, 07:05:45 AM
Quoteactually, even if the games are priced like the US, they'll be still expensive compared to the pirated ones.....
Originally posted by: mantidor
For the prices Nintendo charges in Europe they better do it. And talking about overpricing, they should really give us latinamerica lower prices, this isn't the first world, damn it! at least keep the prices the same as NA. The x360 so far has little future around here, and much less the PS3 with their blue-ray, but if Nintendo wants the wii to at least take off in the region they better give better pricing, or people will stick to pirated xbox and ps2.
sadly, it seems that the better option would be to pull a PSX and make it easily pirateable :|
if the Wii follow s the same price structure as the GC (with X360 and PS3 insanely overpriced, obviously), the PS2 will a have a long life cycle....
Post by: KDR_11k on July 02, 2006, 09:01:18 AM
Nintendo has small profit margins on the system, they rely on games sales to make the bulk of their money. Easily pirateable would mean unprofitable. A region that doesn't buy your games is not worth pandering to.
Post by: Ceric on July 02, 2006, 11:00:22 AM
Post by: mantidor on July 02, 2006, 02:36:51 PM
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Originally posted by: Athrun ZalaQuoteactually, even if the games are priced like the US, they'll be still expensive compared to the pirated ones.....
Originally posted by: mantidor
For the prices Nintendo charges in Europe they better do it. And talking about overpricing, they should really give us latinamerica lower prices, this isn't the first world, damn it! at least keep the prices the same as NA. The x360 so far has little future around here, and much less the PS3 with their blue-ray, but if Nintendo wants the wii to at least take off in the region they better give better pricing, or people will stick to pirated xbox and ps2.
True, but at least my poor wallet wouldnt cry when seeing the prices, and I'd actually buy more games, I really want Mario Strikers and Super Princess Peach, but Im not going to pay $80 and $50 (doing direct conversions to us dollars) for them.
Post by: King of Twitch on July 02, 2006, 03:35:18 PM
Post by: Athrun Zala on July 02, 2006, 06:48:47 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
sadly, it seems that the better option would be to pull a PSX and make it easily pirateable :|
Nintendo has small profit margins on the system, they rely on games sales to make the bulk of their money. Easily pirateable would mean unprofitable. A region that doesn't buy your games is not worth pandering to.
well, you're right, but since we never had cheap games to beign with, we don't know whether people might buy them or not.... (besides, we have been neglected for so long T_T)
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That is true. On the flipside Nintendo did make it ridiculously easy to make the Cube region free. Giving the dog a bone will sometimes keep it from the ham.
interesting....I'm guessing that was the case so people wouldn't have an excuse to get a modchip (except pirates, of course)
QuoteI agree, and I'd prefer them cheaper as well (especially since importing isn't an option, guessing that there it isn't either) because I could buy more games (instead of getting only like 5-6 and borrowing the rest from friends)
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Originally posted by: Athrun Zala
actually, even if the games are priced like the US, they'll be still expensive compared to the pirated ones.....
True, but at least my poor wallet wouldnt cry when seeing the prices, and I'd actually buy more games, I really want Mario Strikers and Super Princess Peach, but Im not going to pay $80 and $50 (doing direct conversions to us dollars) for them.
Post by: Ceric on July 02, 2006, 06:57:05 PM
Edit: Found an Article about it and this sort of explains why Nintendo isn't online. You know what really stinks is that my Wife lost my copy of PSO and I really liked that game. My character had an excess of 100 hours on her.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 03, 2006, 03:56:32 AM
If those are the prices where you live you got off with international standard pricing. The US is the cheapest market, the rest of the world pays roughly the prices you mention or a LOT more. Don't ask me why.
well, you're right, but since we never had cheap games to beign with, we don't know whether people might buy them or not.... (besides, we have been neglected for so long T_T)
Indeed, I have a feeling all games need a big price cut across the board but it seems publishers are afraid that might reduce their profits (I have this hunch that it would increase sales enough to increase profits). Especially the "outer" regions need price drops. Demanding higher prices in an area with lower incomes is a great way to increase sales for the counterfeiters. I know there are transport costs but I also know that games aren't exactly sold on tiny margins. The per-unit price is very low so prices could be adjusted to be fair for every region and having the more expensive regions cover the R&D but I think the IP cartels are just afraid of international trade cutting into their price fixing schemes(which gave us great innovations like region lock that should be reason enough to put some CEOs into jail).
Post by: Ceric on July 03, 2006, 06:24:42 AM
As I mentioned how does these Numbers jive with you guys?
Now on to the real discussion. What if they release a GCN version, Wii Version, and Collector Edition that is Wii/GCN with bonusses. Mailbag recently did remind us of the Collector edition. The thing probably be an $80 monster though.
Post by: Athrun Zala on July 03, 2006, 07:53:42 AM
so yeah, those prices don't help us one bit :|
and I agree with KDR (one thing I was thinking though, couldn't they press the discs by region? (for example, the ones for Latin America could be pressed in Argentina, as there are such factories there) because that would lower the games' prices...)
Post by: mantidor on July 03, 2006, 07:58:28 AM
as for minimum wage, here is monthly based, and is around $160 us dollars, legally jobs are supposed to be from monday to friday, eight hours a day, which would ammount for $1/hour. I really don't need to do any more math, is pretty obvious why prices of games here are just ridiculous. and thats using the current dollar rate exchange which suffered from a really big low last year and is just starting to pick up again at a fast rate, by the time the wii launches the direct conversion of minimum wage to us dollars if the trend continues would be around $130, not even a whole month salary is enough to get a console! much less if the original price of $200 ends up being $300 here. I was lucky I got a job only part time but with a salary near minimum wage, but I had to quit, Im way behind in my studies and I have to catch up before august.
Or in other words, Im screwed, and I really doubt I'll get a wii at launch unless I find another job now and start to save, something I can't do. If they make the bundle for TP with the original and wii version it would be good, but if they are charging more for it then Ill rather stick with the GC one.
Edit: ouch >_< $90? and I thought our minimum wage was bad...
Post by: Requiem on July 03, 2006, 08:06:09 AM
It takes me about 6.5 hours to make enough money for a $50 game, and I work 8 hours a day.
Post by: Ceric on July 03, 2006, 08:07:39 AM
Literally $90 dollars? So if you worked a full man month of 160 hours you make around 56 cents an hour. But on the flipside $40 for living expenses... I spend just on bills $554 food at least another $100... so $654 that 16.35 times more so I should make around $1471.5 to stay equivalent... Thats 357 hours... I make $659.20 working full time 1 month minimum wage. Lord Porportionally you make $812.30 more than I do if everything cost like living expenses. I live somewhere cheap. So if everything was proportioned the same then games should be around 3 bucks. Talk about a price difference.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 03, 2006, 08:22:03 AM
Theoretically a company cannot stop people from trading their products around and importing from another country is completely legal. In practice they use technical restrictions and abuse their monopoly power by telling suppliers they won't get more if they don't stop. Nintendo had to pay a 180 million Euro fine for price fixing once. Sony is allowed to prevent PSP "grey imports" by claiming trademark infringement (how they got away with that is beyond me, probably a big bunch of money paid to the judge).
I think it's more of a security issue. You only want x amount of well secured master copies. The more master copies out the more security risk.
If someone has the equiipment to mass produce nonstandard disks he has the equipment to use a copy as the base. The master copy won't be necessary then.
Ceric: Sales tax is at least 15% in Europe, usually a few % more and all prices include tax already (since you have to pay it anyway there is no sane reason to not include it in the price tag). But even taking that into account one Euro buys slightly more than a Dollar so the margins would be the same on 50€ games as on 50$ ones. In fact it's only console games that are so ridiculously expensive.
Post by: Nile Boogie on July 03, 2006, 10:33:31 AM
But really, I'm buying the GCver first even though I'm buying Wii at luanch. I want to play Zelda with A "regular" controller first. I'm not conviced on the whole Wii remote for this Zelda game. Of course if you can play the Wii ver. with the classic controller then I'm good!
Post by: Ceric on July 03, 2006, 10:43:00 AM
Post by: Requiem on July 03, 2006, 01:33:49 PM
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Of course if you can play the Wii ver. with the classic controller then I'm good!
I'm guessing that might be the case.
Or at the very least, you can play it with a gamecube controller.
Post by: Athrun Zala on July 03, 2006, 04:34:24 PM
and the $40 on expenses per month is because, by law, the minimum wage must be double of the cost of the "canasta familiar" (all the basic things to make it through the month, so to speak
), but it excludes phone, electricity and water bills...so, that's the reason one must do their best and get through college ^^
Post by: Infernal Monkey on July 04, 2006, 05:14:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
NOA... They couldn't make a decision like that because there working on there next Promo Packaging for Press and getting whipped by NCL.
Ooooor maybe it's because the GameCube is still alive in America. It's been dead since 2004 in PAL territories.
Post by: Ceric on July 05, 2006, 08:57:43 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on July 05, 2006, 11:54:56 AM
In North America the Cube's been dead since Resident Evil 4. So early 2005 instead of 2004.
I'd really like NOA to release Zelda as a double disc but I know they won't because they would rather try to sell two copies of the same game and some people will buy both. I think the consumer goodwill Nintendo would get from doing such a thing would be worth it but Nintendo's never had a problem with jerking people around for a slightly higher annual profit. It would make for a smoother transition from Cube to Wii. Someone who can't afford a Wii yet can buy Zelda now and enjoy it on the Cube and then enjoy it on the Wii when they transfer over on their own schedule. Having two versions puts pressure on the fanbase to upgrade so that they can get the most out of Zelda.
That's probably part of Nintendo's strategy but I think being nice would make a better first impression. Nintendo has a reputation for being, well, dickheads and it would be good for their image to reinvent themselves as being user-friendly, particularly when Sony is acting so insane. But instead it's the usual Nintendo trying to hussle you. Nintendo should work more on being the "good guy" instead of the lesser of three evils. Yeah Sony is screwing up and Nintendo could gain a lot of support as a result but the past have shown that just because you have a dominant userbase doesn't mean you have a dominant fanbase. The second people had a reason to drop Nintendo they did and looks like they might do the same to Sony. You want your supporters to be fans, not just people who support you because they have little choice. The only reason Nintendo has survived is because they have real fans, so why not be more user-friendly and gain some more?
Post by: KDR_11k on July 05, 2006, 09:29:44 PM
I think they do because otherwise they'd be like EA or MS.
