Post by: please let me in, please on June 06, 2006, 02:30:36 PM
Makes me feel sad.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 06, 2006, 03:02:47 PM
I visit my friends on weekends. My friend (my friend's WIFE) and I play it together once in a while. A couple weeks ago we completed Balacruf Mossoleum -- ON OUR 4TH GAME TOGETHER.
We're all waiting for the next big Tales game. You're just late to the party.
Post by: please let me in, please on June 06, 2006, 03:13:19 PM
I wish they would hurry up and make a new one. Im getting ready to explode.
Post by: Athrun Zala on June 06, 2006, 06:15:49 PM
will finish it.....someday >_>
Post by: please let me in, please on June 06, 2006, 06:29:36 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on June 06, 2006, 06:35:24 PM
Post by: please let me in, please on June 06, 2006, 06:38:22 PM
Post by: TMW on June 07, 2006, 07:50:03 AM
My friends and I speculated during our playthrough that the Wonderchef was actually the most powerful being in creation. He could appear anywhere, seemingly travel faster than the speed of sound, and we concluded he should have been a super secret boss.
Sadly, my friends had left by the time I got all the cursed weapons and fought the one guy who was trying raise Cthuhlu.
That was a tough fight.
Post by: couchmonkey on June 07, 2006, 07:51:52 AM
Post by: please let me in, please on June 07, 2006, 07:55:40 AM
Post by: slacker on June 07, 2006, 07:06:03 PM
Post by: Kenology on June 08, 2006, 03:32:34 AM
What's this cursed weapon quest you guys speak of? Was that side-quest available on the first play-through?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 08, 2006, 03:49:19 AM
2. Yes.
Post by: please let me in, please on June 08, 2006, 06:56:07 AM
Post by: Kenology on June 08, 2006, 05:26:55 PM
I thought Mithos was pretty weak anyways -- I was so strong by the end of the game. But I would've been ridiculously strong if I had did that long and involved side-quest. When does it get started? On disc 2, I assume? I'd rather ask you guys than look at a guide, so please don't direct me to gamefaqs!
I'm only at the part where Palmacosta is being attacked by the Desians and Magnius and I have to head back. So I'm still early on in the game.
Post by: please let me in, please on June 08, 2006, 05:51:32 PM
Post by: Kenology on June 08, 2006, 06:01:37 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 08, 2006, 06:31:16 PM
Remember those black treasure chests you may or may not have opened (such as in Garocchia Forest)? They contain the Devil's Arms, rare weapons sought by the person named Abyssion.
First, obtain the Evil Eye from Toize Valley Mine.
Then find Abyssion, the dark-haired guy on the steps of a building in Flanoir, near the entrance and Inn. If someone in your party is missing, such as Colette, Abyssion might not show up.
Abyssion will give you Nebilim's Key, allowing you to open the black chests and collect the Devil's Arms. One weapon is in Sylverant, while the rest are in Tethealla and Welgaia, 9 weapons in all, including the Evil Eye.
When you've found them all, Abyssion will tell you where to meet him, then you all "do stuff." And the quest is done.
Post by: Kenology on June 09, 2006, 03:35:53 AM
How many of you found this out on your own?
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on June 09, 2006, 05:15:48 AM
Can any of you who've mastered the game tell me if there's any way to open that locked door in the mine?
Post by: Kenology on June 09, 2006, 08:07:22 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on June 09, 2006, 08:16:42 AM
Post by: Requiem on June 09, 2006, 08:23:02 AM
Why haven't I beaten it yet? Well, I was about to until I left town. Then when I came back, I totally forgot what the hell I was suppose to do. So I've been roaming around aimlessly looking for something --- ANYTHING.
I finally gave up.
Post by: Kairon on June 09, 2006, 08:39:33 AM
Ugh. Even though I beat it, I didn't enjoy this game much at all.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on June 09, 2006, 09:29:55 AM
Post by: Requiem on June 09, 2006, 10:04:09 AM
Hahahaha -- How did I never see that?
I appreciate it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 09, 2006, 11:45:47 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
I bought this game because I wanted to have SOME knowledge of what modern RPGs were like. I love FF6, hated FF7, and haven't really played many RPGs since then.
Ugh. Even though I beat it, I didn't enjoy this game much at all.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Modern RPGs are like FF7, Tales of Symphonia isn't one of them =D
Symphonia's a poor representation of the modern Japanese RPG, simply cuz they skipped over most of the bells and whistles and drama that Square-Enix games come standard with.
People like coming back to Symphonia for handful of reasons, a couple of which are
1. Being rewarded for sidequests and collecting lots and lots of junk. (my friend's fav, she's done EVERYTHING there is to do in the game.)
2. The combat, combos, boss battles, combos, multiplayer combat enabling greater magnitudes of ass-kicking, bigger combos, and a decent variety of fighting styles. (my fav)
My friend will take control of the map, name every dog along the way, use a Magick Lens on all new enemies, and get every character to fully learn new cooking recipes. During fights, I chain and facilitate combos (to assist her Lloyd), configure the Unison Attacks, and do whatever else I can to make sure the fight ends with +10.00 Grade or higher.
I'm not happy if we don't beat Abyssion with positive grade in under 7min at around lvl.70
I gather you're not interested in either?
Post by: Kairon on June 09, 2006, 12:43:24 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666Quote
Originally posted by: Kairon
I bought this game because I wanted to have SOME knowledge of what modern RPGs were like. I love FF6, hated FF7, and haven't really played many RPGs since then.
Ugh. Even though I beat it, I didn't enjoy this game much at all.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Modern RPGs are like FF7, Tales of Symphonia isn't one of them =D
Symphonia's a poor representation of the modern Japanese RPG, simply cuz they skipped over most of the bells and whistles and drama that Square-Enix games come standard with.
People like coming back to Symphonia for handful of reasons, a couple of which are
1. Being rewarded for sidequests and collecting lots and lots of junk. (my friend's fav, she's done EVERYTHING there is to do in the game.)
2. The combat, combos, boss battles, combos, multiplayer combat enabling greater magnitudes of ass-kicking, bigger combos, and a decent variety of fighting styles. (my fav)
My friend will take control of the map, name every dog along the way, use a Magick Lens on all new enemies, and get every character to fully learn new cooking recipes. During fights, I chain and facilitate combos (to assist her Lloyd), configure the Unison Attacks, and do whatever else I can to make sure the fight ends with +10.00 Grade or higher.
I'm not happy if we don't beat Abyssion with positive grade in under 7min at around lvl.70
I gather you're not interested in either?
I'm not interested in games that play like FF7, or that have been seriously contaminated by "anime". (I grew up with Hayao Miyazaki's Nausicaa manga, loved the "Americanized, spliced, and soap-opera'd Harmony Gold version of Robotech" and watched "Akira" at 6 years old, I hate today's commercialized, fan-service anime!)
But I am actually interested in ALL of the features you mentioned above (except for thye "battle grading"), it's just that I found the implementation in ToS to be somewhat lackluster in that I never for a moment understood or was given an understanding of the cooking system... actually, I was unaware of all those other features you mentioned, a fault for which I dislike the game even more now that I know about it.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: please let me in, please on June 09, 2006, 01:27:11 PM
Post by: Kenology on June 09, 2006, 01:48:44 PM
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Originally posted by: please let me in, please
I loved this game. This is my favorite cube game. Ive beaten it 3 times now, and yes there are more sidequests when the game is beaten. Another thing, there is a certain thing you can do in mithos' castle to let you teleport out and in so you can level up and do up to 20 hours of sidequests. So far, ive done about 10. I could tell anyone thats interested.
I'm interested. Spill the beans...
Post by: please let me in, please on June 09, 2006, 02:19:49 PM
Make your way through the balcony. There is a chest with an Elemental Guard hidden behind a corner to the left of the Northern Arils. There is a hidden chest with Ninja Sword init in the corner to the right. Go throught the door to the right for another set of spiraliling stairs. Go down to enter some rooms. the first you will have a Spirit Bottle. Get back to the room to the northwest of the lobby, and go up 2 levels, and go through the doors to the right. You will eventually reach a balcony with a chest. Inside is the Future Stone. If you go left from that balcony, you will slowly find a room with a Demon Seal. Go down one floor, and enter the room to the left for a Shield Ring. Get yourself back to the lobby. You will find the Future Stone is shining red lights to the red mat. The red light then goes ontop of a circle, and a block appears. It says something, then 4 blocks appear. One is green, one purple and one white near the portal. A blue block is located to the left. If you go left, a similar thing will happen to the Past Stone. Another portal will appear. Then there are 8 blocks total, each color with their element. Push the black block into the left portal, and you will warp to an island near the top balcony. Push the block off the lower right edge. It will fall down between the 2 bars. Repeat this with the blue block, then the red and last purple. Push the purple block into a hole across the bridge you newly created. Then push blocks into the portal at the right in this order: Yellow, Green, Light Blue, and last, White. The first 3 create the bridge, and the last is used to fill up the hole. The force field in the middle will disappear. Next, open the chest for a Sacred Stone. This allows you to warp all the way back to the Tower of Salvation ruins in Tethe'alla; without having to go through the painstaking task of getting out of Derris-Kharlan!!!!!!!!!!
Thats about it.
Edit: In other words, get the Past and Future Stone, this will let you get the portals and blocks. From here, put them in the specific order mentioned, the shield will fall in the place you teleport to, and this will let you have the Sacred Stone; Allowing you to easlily teleport out to the front of the Tower of Salvation and do the sidequests.
Post by: Kenology on June 09, 2006, 06:12:02 PM
Post by: please let me in, please on June 09, 2006, 06:17:28 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 10, 2006, 02:26:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
I'm not interested in games that play like FF7, or that have been seriously contaminated by "anime". (I grew up with Hayao Miyazaki's Nausicaa manga, loved the "Americanized, spliced, and soap-opera'd Harmony Gold version of Robotech" and watched "Akira" at 6 years old, I hate today's commercialized, fan-service anime!)
But I am actually interested in ALL of the features you mentioned above (except for thye "battle grading"), it's just that I found the implementation in ToS to be somewhat lackluster in that I never for a moment understood or was given an understanding of the cooking system... actually, I was unaware of all those other features you mentioned, a fault for which I dislike the game even more now that I know about it.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Hmm, I still stick to my old habit of reading a game's manual within hours of first opening it. I want to be aware of all the options that are helpful or just plain neat (like enabling multiplay), cuz in ye olden days a lot of the games I enjoyed didn't employ in-game tutorials (or obvious "learning opportunities") or have a thorough & accessible documentation in-game (so you end up learning completely thru experimentation and luck). I saw Symphonia acted much like Nintendo's SNES games, where you've given instructions the first time you encounter the feature, and never hear about it again (thankfully the manual still had much of the info I wanted). Once I was aware of a feature or received a new weapon or accessory, I experimented with it and looked at any accompanying documentation; what I liked about Symphonia is practically all the gameplay documentation is available [deep] within your main menu after the game mentions it (like cooking and unison attacks) -- but it's obvious the game doesn't stress this reference.
I thought Metroid Prime 2 had nice documentation with its "see Logbook for more info" presentation scheme. But even if it didn't tell me extra info was actually available, I'm the kind of person who'd dig around for it anyway. And when I still thirsted for more info, there was Gamefaqs. Such is the result of growing up on 2D fighting games that didn't care to tell you how to perform a "ha-dou-ken" in its entire 16 to 32 megabits of software code.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on June 10, 2006, 05:59:17 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
During fights, I chain and facilitate combos (to assist her Lloyd), configure the Unison Attacks, and do whatever else I can to make sure the fight ends with +10.00 Grade or higher.
Is it actually possible to get a grade that high on non-boss fights? I didn't even get a grade that high when I pulled off a 100 hit combo.
Post by: Kairon on June 10, 2006, 09:02:22 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666Quote
Originally posted by: Kairon
I'm not interested in games that play like FF7, or that have been seriously contaminated by "anime". (I grew up with Hayao Miyazaki's Nausicaa manga, loved the "Americanized, spliced, and soap-opera'd Harmony Gold version of Robotech" and watched "Akira" at 6 years old, I hate today's commercialized, fan-service anime!)
But I am actually interested in ALL of the features you mentioned above (except for thye "battle grading"), it's just that I found the implementation in ToS to be somewhat lackluster in that I never for a moment understood or was given an understanding of the cooking system... actually, I was unaware of all those other features you mentioned, a fault for which I dislike the game even more now that I know about it.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Hmm, I still stick to my old habit of reading a game's manual within hours of first opening it. I want to be aware of all the options that are helpful or just plain neat (like enabling multiplay), cuz in ye olden days a lot of the games I enjoyed didn't employ in-game tutorials (or obvious "learning opportunities") or have a thorough & accessible documentation in-game (so you end up learning completely thru experimentation and luck). I saw Symphonia acted much like Nintendo's SNES games, where you've given instructions the first time you encounter the feature, and never hear about it again (thankfully the manual still had much of the info I wanted). Once I was aware of a feature or received a new weapon or accessory, I experimented with it and looked at any accompanying documentation; what I liked about Symphonia is practically all the gameplay documentation is available [deep] within your main menu after the game mentions it (like cooking and unison attacks) -- but it's obvious the game doesn't stress this reference.
I thought Metroid Prime 2 had nice documentation with its "see Logbook for more info" presentation scheme. But even if it didn't tell me extra info was actually available, I'm the kind of person who'd dig around for it anyway. And when I still thirsted for more info, there was Gamefaqs. Such is the result of growing up on 2D fighting games that didn't care to tell you how to perform a "ha-dou-ken" in its entire 16 to 32 megabits of software code.
That's what's so vexxing. I have the EXACT SAME HABIT! RTFM Dude. I got hooked on reading Manuals by WarCraft II and StarCraft and Earthbound and Secret of Mana, and they are an essential paqrt ofd the game experience for me. I LOVE manuals!
... And I STILL didn't know all this about the game. I feel it was simply just poorly designed.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: please let me in, please on June 10, 2006, 10:26:37 AM
Post by: Kairon on June 10, 2006, 10:33:31 AM
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Originally posted by: please let me in, pleasebut storyline ... made it extremely fun, and easy at that.
... I hated the storyline ... and I beat the game ... because I owed it to myself to keep somewhat up-to-date with what RPGs were turning into ...
(Other RPGs that were purchased under similar conditions and disliked just as much: Skies of Arcadia and Baiten Kaitos)
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: please let me in, please on June 10, 2006, 11:04:42 AM
Post by: Athrun Zala on June 10, 2006, 12:12:38 PM
it was a shame the only copy I found of Baten Kaitos was used and lacked the manual T_T
Quoteoh I LOVED Skies of Arcadia, currently my fav game (closely followed by Sma & Max Hit the Road ^^)....and haven't finished BK yet.....after I finish ToS...
Originally posted by: Kairon
(Other RPGs that were purchased under similar conditions and disliked just as much: Skies of Arcadia and Baiten Kaitos)
Post by: Kenology on June 10, 2006, 08:24:04 PM
ToS has beautiful graphics, 'please let me in, please'!
And, Baiten Kaitos was the TRUTH! Can't wait for part 2! Why the hell is it coming out late in the year!? Dammit Nintendo!
Post by: please let me in, please on June 10, 2006, 09:31:42 PM
Post by: Kairon on June 10, 2006, 11:35:47 PM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: please let me in, please on June 11, 2006, 03:22:52 AM
Post by: Ceric on June 12, 2006, 11:05:32 AM
I liked Baten Kaitos. Even with it's short falling. The combo system was good. Yeah it could be a better game. Like Gradius 3, PS2, could have had a better story and more sidequests.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 12, 2006, 12:46:51 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on June 14, 2006, 09:52:47 AM
Post by: please let me in, please on June 14, 2006, 10:19:17 AM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on June 16, 2006, 10:10:49 PM
However i do love Tales of Symphonia & Phantasia (GBA port yay!) but sometimes these kinds of games you just find to hard to get into due to the fact that you want to spend hours playing it when you can only spend say 30min.
It makes me sad that i will have to shorten my time with these types of games, but if a Tales Wii game comes around I will personally make time to play it atleast a few times a week for an hour or two each sitting.
