Post by: Artimus on May 25, 2006, 09:41:30 AM
1. Zelda (Wii, Nintendo)
2. Final Fantasy XIII (PS3, Square Enix)
3. Metal Gear solvent 4 (PS3, Konami)
4. Dragon Quest Swords: (Wii, Square Enix)
5. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii, Nintendo)
6. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii, Nintendo)
7. Final Fantasy III (NDS, Square Enix)
8. Monster Hunter 3 (PS3, Capcom)
9. Biohazard series (Wii, Capcom)
10. Halo 3 (Xbox 360)
What gaming hardware are you looking forward to the most?
Wii - 68.8%
PS3 - 21.0%
Xbox 360 - 7.2%
NDS - 3.0%
What do you think of the pricing for the PS3?
88.4% - I think the price is too high.
10.9% - The price is appropriate.
0.7% - The console is inexpensive.
Courtesy of GoNintendo!
Woohoo?
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 25, 2006, 09:47:44 AM
Post by: Arbok on May 25, 2006, 09:50:50 AM
Capcom, are you listening?
Post by: Ian Sane on May 25, 2006, 09:51:45 AM
It's very interesting that Zelda is on top. In North America the Wii version of Zelda seems to be one of the least popular Wii games at E3.
Sony is so f*cked because of that price, but we already knew that, didn't we?
Post by: Arbok on May 25, 2006, 09:53:52 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
It's very interesting that Zelda is on top. In North America the Wii version of Zelda seems to be one of the least popular Wii games at E3.
What I find "interesting" is that the Sword DQ game ranked higher than Brawl... what gives?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 25, 2006, 09:55:38 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
When I read the title I interpreted "6 of 10" as "6 out of 10" like that was the score Famitsu gave the Wii. This is obviously much more encouraging.
It's very interesting that Zelda is on top. In North America the Wii version of Zelda seems to be one of the least popular Wii games at E3.
Sony is so f*cked because of that price, but we already knew that, didn't we?
Maybe because the Japanese are smarter than americans and they are willing to give the final game a TRY before passing judgement... :p
Anyways, this is indeed pretty encouraging. Hopefully this great vibe is at the Wii launch and beyond...
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 25, 2006, 09:58:03 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
It's very interesting that Zelda is on top. In North America the Wii version of Zelda seems to be one of the least popular Wii games at E3.
The issues with Zelda seem to be a result of the learning curve associated with the game, and the fact that the conditions at E3 doesn't give most people a chance to master the controls, after listening to a few dozen E3 podcasts it sounds like the impressions of people who seemed to get the hang of the controls fast are seemingly more positive than those who had trouble with them.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 25, 2006, 10:06:02 AM
It's Dragon Quest. What do you expect? They could release "Dragon Quest Rapes Your Mother", charge $10000 for it, and it still would sell at least a million copies in Japan.
Post by: thejeek on May 25, 2006, 10:10:57 AM
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The issues with Zelda seem to be a result of the learning curve associated with the game
I know this is a taboo subject, but I didn't think it looked great either - not outright bad but it really didn't wow me. Fetch the torches and pitchforks but I thought Wind Waker actually looked nicer - I prefered the cell shading with good art direction and technically well implemented of WW over fairly generic 'realistic' graphics with depressingly low polygon count and unconvincing texturing in the E3 Zelda demo.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 25, 2006, 10:12:34 AM
In fact the graphics in the E3 demo are not indicative of the game graphics
Post by: Ian Sane on May 25, 2006, 10:16:36 AM
Do you mean it doesn't look great by Wii standards or just not that great period? As a Cube game I think it looks fantastic but as a next gen game it looks kind of weak.
Post by: thejeek on May 25, 2006, 10:17:11 AM
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I'm not referring to the graphics, i'm referring to the gameplay
Sorry - I wasn't clear. I meant to say that in addition to the control issues that you mentioned, I thought it also didn't look very good either.
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In fact the graphics in the E3 demo are not indicative of the game graphics
I think that's an open question but I guess we'll have to see how it pans out - I hope they're better. I can live with it if they're not but I'll be disappointed.
Post by: thejeek on May 25, 2006, 10:20:34 AM
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As a Cube game I think it looks fantastic but as a next gen game it looks kind of weak.
From a technology point of view - yes I think it's probably pushing GC hardware about as far as it'll go and it's impressive for that. Also, yes, I don't think it's anything like what I'd expect from a 'next gen' system.
On top of that, I'm not keen on the style, but if that's what a Zelda game is supposed to look like and that's what fans of the francise want then I wouldn't want Nintendo to do it differently - it's just not my bag, aesthetically speaking.
[EDIT:] Also, I'm pretty resigned to Wii graphics not being technically great but some of the stuff at E3 was still artistically very nice - for example I thought Super Mario Galaxy looked great
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 25, 2006, 10:21:02 AM
scroll down you'll see how the graphics have been updated
Post by: Arbok on May 25, 2006, 10:26:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Avinash_Tyagi
Graphical change
scroll down you'll see how the graphics have been updated
The graphics are an improvment... but personally I actually like the idea of the desolate wasteland more than the kind of "cyber" look it has now.
Post by: thejeek on May 25, 2006, 10:27:45 AM
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Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 25, 2006, 10:40:15 AM
Post by: Requiem on May 25, 2006, 10:41:18 AM
The fishing part is amazing! Check out the vids if you haven't already!
If you want style, your going to have to wait till the game releases. There are sure to be many a beautiful scene in TP.
Post by: mantidor on May 25, 2006, 10:49:47 AM
What is shocking is that Zelda won over FF13, thats huge.
Post by: thejeek on May 25, 2006, 10:51:19 AM
I'm a bit more concerned about the technical quality of the graphics but it's not final hardware and, at the end of the day, I guess graphics aren't everything - I don't want what the competing consoles have to offer, whatever it looks like - I just don't think I'd actually enjoy playing it.
Post by: thejeek on May 25, 2006, 10:55:03 AM
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I love the art style and thats whats more important for me, not detailed textures or polygon count.
Sometimes polygon count and texture detail *are* important, if they prevent the artists from showing what they want you to see without the means of showing it being visible and distracting. I find that clean and stylised stuff works better for me because it hides any underlying flaws in the graphics capabilities of the machine. The more realistic the art tries to be, the more it reveals inadequacies in the graphics implementation. I think the non-Twilight Realm stuff falls down a bit in this respect, whereas the Twilight Realm is much more successful.
Post by: mantidor on May 25, 2006, 11:01:27 AM
Post by: thejeek on May 25, 2006, 11:08:36 AM
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Yes, I agree to the style over realism thing, thats why I see Wind Waker's graphics impossible to get old, but the "real" world looks great for me also, texture detail and polygon count are important but they are already pretty good, this isnt the N64.
I think the problem is that the human eyes and brain have a deep understanding of the real world and are extremely good at spotting flaws in representations of reality - particularly computer generated people and their movements and other natural objects. I think attempting true represention of reality in computer games is a bit of a waste of resources - I've got reality outside my window if I like (and while we're on the subject who on earth plays sports games when they could go outside and do it for real...)
Even Hollywood CGI occasionally fails to convince and they have mad hardware to throw at the problem without the constraint of having to do it in real time and dirt cheap. I think I approve to an extent that Nintendo don't want to throw my money at the problem - but I think they ought to stick to styles that work within the constraints of the hardware. Of course they'll be accused of making games only for kids if they do :-(
[EDIT:] To clarify, I'm not intending to critisize your opinion here - It's obviously all a matter of taste and you can't argue someone's taste - just saying that aiming for a realistic style that would satisfiy me is just not achievable with on any of the next gen systems
Post by: WesDawg on May 25, 2006, 11:37:36 AM
Post by: vudu on May 25, 2006, 11:39:20 AM
QuoteFFXII came out just a couple months ago. There hasn't been a new Zelda since the end of 2002 (in Japan). That's a big factor.
Originally posted by: mantidor
What is shocking is that Zelda won over FF13, thats huge.
Post by: mantidor on May 25, 2006, 11:45:28 AM
Post by: Requiem on May 25, 2006, 11:48:55 AM
Are you serious?
I mean, the soccer mini-game was bazaar yet fun, but greatest game of all time? Hardly....
Super Mario Bros FTW!
Post by: mantidor on May 25, 2006, 12:02:13 PM
1. Final Fantasy X (2001)
2. Final Fantasy VII (1997)
3. Dragon Quest III (1988)
4. Dragon Quest VIII (2004)
5. Machi (1998)
6. Final Fantasy IV (1991)
7. Tactics Ogre (1995)
8. Final Fantasy III (1990)
9. Dragon Quest VII (2000)
10. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (1998)
the rest
Japan definately lost it.
Post by: IceCold on May 25, 2006, 02:11:09 PM
QuoteAnd that Super Mario Galaxy was ranked so low.. with the splash that NSMB is making in Japan (looks to be even more popular than Animal Crossing), it should have been a lot higher.
What I find "interesting" is that the Sword DQ game ranked higher than Brawl... what gives?
QuoteCouldn't agree more
mean, the soccer mini-game was bazaar yet fun, but greatest game of all time? Hardly....
Super Mario Bros FTW!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 25, 2006, 03:12:41 PM
or rather, SEE SOME N64 MOVIES AND REMIND YOURSELVES HOW FAR GAFFIX COME SINCE THE GOLDEN YEARS
Post by: Louieturkey on May 25, 2006, 04:07:07 PM
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Ha ha ha ha... So Japan is more interested in a unstated Resident Evil game for Wii then they are RE5? Oh man, that's just classic.
Capcom, are you listening?
Just to be fair, RE5 was not shown in any form at E3 so they couldn't very well vote for it. This would have been much more impressive had RE5 actually been a game announced or shown in any form. It is neat though that on name alone, it became number nine on that list.
Post by: IceCold on May 25, 2006, 04:50:09 PM
QuoteWith how badly RE4 did in Japan, I don't think they care about this..
Capcom, are you listening?
Post by: ProzacMessiah on May 25, 2006, 10:40:58 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 25, 2006, 10:53:53 PM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
What games are you looking forward to the most after seeing E3’s offerings?
1. Zelda (Wii, Nintendo)
2. Final Fantasy XIII (PS3, Square Enix)
3. Metal Gear solvent 4 (PS3, Konami)
4. Dragon Quest Swords: (Wii, Square Enix)
5. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii, Nintendo)
6. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii, Nintendo)
7. Final Fantasy III (NDS, Square Enix)
8. Monster Hunter 3 (PS3, Capcom)
9. Biohazard series (Wii, Capcom)
10. Halo 3 (Xbox 360)
You did that on purpose.
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I mean, the soccer mini-game was bazaar yet fun, but greatest game of all time? Hardly....
Super Mario Bros FTW!
Wait, is it "replace random words" day or something?
Post by: thejeek on May 25, 2006, 11:04:58 PM
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EVERYONE, STOP THINKING.
That's the oddest bit of advice anyone's given me all day...
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SEE SOME N64 MOVIES...
I known what bad graphics are like - I used to have Asteroids for the Sinclair ZX81. It used numbers from 1 to 8 to tell you what direction your ship was pointing in! Things have moved on a bit since then.
Post by: Mario on May 25, 2006, 11:15:26 PM
Oh yeah, and Twilight Princess' graphics look amazing to me, and there are plently of Xbox 360 (almost all) that don't. Why I woudln't put it at the top is because it's not really a trade show game, and because they ruined the controls.
Post by: Strell on May 26, 2006, 05:27:37 AM
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You did that on purpose.
Did he?
At another forum I go to, someone posted this list, and it said "solvent" on there too.
Someone replied with "Some legends are meant to....dissolve."
Post by: Bloodworth on May 26, 2006, 06:48:32 AM
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Post by: wandering on May 30, 2006, 10:54:21 PM
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Even Hollywood CGI occasionally fails to convince and they have mad hardware to throw at the problem without the constraint of having to do it in real time and dirt cheap. I think I approve to an extent that Nintendo don't want to throw my money at the problem - but I think they ought to stick to styles that work within the constraints of the hardware. Of course they'll be accused of making games only for kids if they do :-(
I agree..., but I don't think Twilight Princess is using a "realistic" style that doesn't fit the constraints of the hardware, like you say. Look at the people, the plants, the lighting. Nothing is 100% proportional, nothing is photo-realistic. The game looks more like a story book than Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within or whatever.
Post by: Requiem on May 30, 2006, 11:02:58 PM
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Originally posted by: wandering
Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
*shudders*
Post by: thejeek on May 30, 2006, 11:09:01 PM
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I agree..., but I don't think Twilight Princess is using a "realistic" style that doesn't fit the constraints of the hardware, like you say. Look at the people, the plants, the lighting. Nothing is 100% proportional, nothing is photo-realistic. The game looks more like a story book than Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within or whatever.
Having looked at the newer video and screens for TP, I'm happier with the style now than I was - I like the twilight effects.
