Post by: Kairon on May 15, 2006, 08:50:32 AM
This dependence on reading IR signals for distance implies to me that the controller's sensitivity is something more hardcoded into the technology that CANNOT be significantly adjusted via software sliders.
The reason I think this is because the Wiimote can only function as a pointer or cursor as long as it's forward pointing and can detect the sensor bar IR signals. This means that it has a specific cone of "vision" for this functionality. With this specific cone of sensor bar reading functionality, this implies that you cannot make large movements outside of that cone and have the system detect that. In otherwords, you have a strict limit as to the extent of the controller's world. You cannot make a larger movement and have it translate to a small movement simply because that larger movement takes the Wiimote outside of its functional range. No sensitivity slider can change that, it's a physical and technical limitation.
This also goes back to some recent Will Wright's comments:
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What I don’t like is that the way the Wii controller works depends a lot on how close you are to your TV. If you are five feet away it feels one way. If you are 10 feet away, it feels completely different.
Sensitivity isn't something that grows out of software, but instead as a "direct pointer device" the wiimote simply can't escape a certain cone of IR vision and therefore has a maximum range, setting a maximum on pointed cursor range and implying a naturally high senstitivty, which only gets higher the further away from the sensor bar you are.
So when you see games that are criticized for having too high sensitivity, I'm hesitant to put much stock in "they can adjust the sensitivity" comments. If these are technical limitations, a software slider isn't the answer. A more comfortable cone of IR vision is... could that possibly be achieved by moving the sensor bar closer to you?
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: mantidor on May 15, 2006, 09:14:07 AM
Post by: The Omen on May 15, 2006, 09:26:55 AM
Of course, I didn't work with the Wii on a regular basis since that's done at another development house now. But I am in contact with people that do. So while it's possible I don't know the day to day tweaking, I feel I have at least a moderate level of insight to provide.
Post by: Crimm on May 15, 2006, 09:43:41 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 15, 2006, 10:55:46 AM
There are technical limitations. Nintendo claims a 5 m range for the pointing functionality. The size of the TV is also limited by the controller's viewing angle, which hasn't been released yet. If my math is any good, at 5 meters back, assuming the angle of view is 30 degrees (going by Kairon's earlier post about the comments of a developer at E3), the maximum screen size would be 121" (diagonal) 16:9 widescreen. That beats the largest screen anyone I know owns by a wide margin (about two feet), and assumes a viewing angle that seems on the conservative side.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 15, 2006, 11:01:30 AM
Post by: trip1eX on May 15, 2006, 11:42:15 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on May 15, 2006, 01:10:59 PM
Post by: Jensen on May 15, 2006, 02:40:46 PM
QuoteHere is a picture of the IR Bar taken with a camera with a weak IR filter.
Originally posted by: mantidor
If its really IR (has there been confirmation? most likely it hasnt)
And a second picture, with less IR showing.
Post by: Renny on May 16, 2006, 08:23:37 AM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 16, 2006, 11:35:32 AM
Post by: mantidor on May 16, 2006, 11:45:11 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on May 16, 2006, 11:46:51 AM
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"What I don't like is that the way the Wii controller works depends a lot on how close you are to your TV. If you are five feet away it feels one way. If you are 10 feet away, it feels completely different."
I measured my distance from TV to couch and it was a little over 9 feet. I should be okay.
Post by: Requiem on May 16, 2006, 11:52:47 AM
I mean, take duck hunt for the NES for instance. When close up your going to have to make wider, more brash movements to conpensate for how close you are. From far away, it'll take smaller more precise movements to complete the task. It's the same thing if you were hunting a real duck!
So I don't see why there is any room for you to complain....or even Will Wright.
Post by: ShyGuy on May 16, 2006, 12:00:39 PM
I just think this goes a long way in explaining why some people had a bad experience with the Wii controls at e3. They were too close to the IR/bluetooth sensor thing.
Post by: SgtShiversBen on May 16, 2006, 12:01:19 PM
But then again, after looking at one of my pixies I noticed that there are six [three on the left and right] lights showing. Secrets?!!?
Post by: trip1eX on May 16, 2006, 12:01:51 PM
IF I switch to my other TV in another room it might take some adjustmenting ( or adjusting
) to.IT's still early and folks have just got a taste of Wii.
Post by: mantidor on May 16, 2006, 01:47:46 PM
Post by: Requiem on May 16, 2006, 03:14:31 PM
I also stand by my other hypothesis that the bar uses technology similar to a cordless phone (ghz) and uses that to ping the controller.
Post by: Kairon on May 16, 2006, 03:16:29 PM
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Originally posted by: Requiem
I stand by my hypothesis that the IR on the Wiimote is only used to turn the Wii on and off. That is all.
I also stand by my other hypothesis that the bar uses technology similar to a cordless phone (ghz) and uses that to ping the controller.
So, if I have this down right... you're standing BETWEEN your hypotheses?
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: AnyoneEB on May 16, 2006, 03:22:00 PM
Post by: Kairon on May 16, 2006, 03:25:15 PM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Renny on May 16, 2006, 03:52:54 PM
Post by: Requiem on May 16, 2006, 04:28:19 PM
You fail...
Post by: Renny on May 16, 2006, 08:02:21 PM
