Post by: mantidor on May 15, 2006, 05:39:24 AM
First I wanted to point out the Elebits dev talked about a physics unit of some sort and that that helped them with the development of the title, he probably let that slip when he shouldnt, but its a very interesting thing indeed.
I also have curiosity regarding the optical media, is it confirmed that its DVD? any info regarding the load times? I remember that one of the advantages of GC's small storage media was faster load times, I dont know if the tecnology is ready to give us better load times with full size DVDs now.
Post by: ProtoNY on May 15, 2006, 05:48:03 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidorFirst I wanted to point out the Elebits dev talked about a physics unit of some sort and that that helped them with the development of the title, he probably let that slip when he shouldnt, but its a very interesting thing indeed.
That is a very interesting point. I didn't even notice that. But now that you mention it, maybe that partially explains why the explosions in Project Hammer look better than any that I have seen on a console (as far as being real-time). Very interesting indeed.
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I also have curiosity regarding the optical media, is it confirmed that its DVD? any info regarding the load times? I remember that one of the advantages of GC's small storage media was faster load times, I dont know if the tecnology is ready to give us better load times with full size DVDs now.
I only remember seeing that it was a 12cm media. On the hardware page on the Wii site, they do show what appears to be a full size DVD, although they just refer to it as "Optical Media"
Wii Hardware Page
I am not entirely convinced that the good Gamecube load times were just because of the media, though. Going into the production of the Gamecube, I thought that they had mentioned that they had provided some optimizations and canned routines in the API to assist in that department. But, I am not 100% on that.
--Proto
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 15, 2006, 06:00:57 AM
I guess we are still in a wait and see. Though the physics comments were interesting that you brought up. Is that actual hardware though, or perhaps software tools to help develop games? Either way its good to know.
Post by: mantidor on May 15, 2006, 06:38:46 AM
http://revolution.ign.com/articles/708/708155p1.html
"IGN: Is the hardware as easy to use on the Wii as it was with the GameCube? The two systems are very similar is structure we're told.
Konami: Yes, the structure is very similar to GameCube, but you already knew that. The development was not that difficult, as the Wii system has built in physics simulation. That helped the process."
Post by: Bloodworth on May 15, 2006, 07:08:11 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 15, 2006, 07:13:25 AM
As for the physics simulation, I've seen people throw around the idea of the graphics card doing some physics stuff (ATi has said they themselves that they are working on that aspect) but it's not something I'm personally interested in...At the moment, at least...
Post by: Requiem of Darcness on May 15, 2006, 07:24:37 AM
Post by: The Omen on May 15, 2006, 07:41:07 AM
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The Wii discs are 12cm discs with a 8GB capacity based on what I've been able to find out.
I believe that's dual layer, and the norm will be 4.7GB. Which sounds an awful bunch like a dvd.
Post by: jasonditz on May 15, 2006, 08:13:34 AM
Of course, Nintendo's always been about the load time... that's why they were so hesitant to go to optical media in the first place. And then, when they did, they went with a smaller, and therefore faster loading, mini-disc. The graphics of the original Resident Evil wouldn't have been impossible on the PS2, and on the Xbox they would've required the hard drive.
I'm interested in seeing how they manage to keep loadtimes to a minimum with a 12cm disc. But I have no doubt they will, they wouldn't have done it if they couldn't do it right.
Post by: jasonditz on May 15, 2006, 08:16:14 AM
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Originally posted by: The OmenQuote
The Wii discs are 12cm discs with a 8GB capacity based on what I've been able to find out.
I believe that's dual layer, and the norm will be 4.7GB. Which sounds an awful bunch like a dvd.
Yeah, but as with the GC discs, which sounded an awful lot like mini-DVDs, they will doubtless be wholly incompatible with existing DVD readers. My guess is they'll spin like GC discs instead of DVDs, which was part of why GC discs were so hard to pirate.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 15, 2006, 08:32:04 AM
That's nothing really new though. They said the same thing about the Cube and for the most part they were right, at least regarding first party titles.
Post by: mantidor on May 15, 2006, 08:56:14 AM
Other bit about the hardware is the battery life of the remote. Sony said their controller was going to last six hours, I was ready to start laughing about it because compared to the impressive battery life of the wavebird the ps3 controller is a joke, but what if the remote is the same? I mean it even has rumble and also motion sensing, do this consume battery life a lot? and is it going to be recharchable batteries or what?
Post by: KDR_11k on May 15, 2006, 09:07:52 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 15, 2006, 09:11:56 AM
Did you completely avoid any third party ports? I rarely found them in games made with the Cube in mind but PS2 and Xbox ports usually had them. But then I consider 5 seconds a long load time so maybe I just noticed them more.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2006, 09:20:58 AM
QuoteObviously you never played Turok: Evolution, load times crept upwards of 20-30 seconds sometimes. The game itself wan't bad, but the load times for re-starting a level after dying made the game unbearable and therefore unplayable.
Originally posted by: mantidor
for the most part? I dont recall any GC having bad loading times, even third parties, the longest ones were RE Zero and still they didnt get close to 5 seconds.
Post by: couchmonkey on May 15, 2006, 10:28:01 AM
Edit: I played Burnout Revenge on the Xbox 360 the other night and yes, the load times are pretty bad, I'd say at least 5 seconds. I think it depends partially on the developer's determination to lower load times. I've heard that even the original Playstation had games that took less than 5 seconds to load. I think it's partially a matter of not cramming as many textures and stuff into every level. Nintendo's first-party GameCube games have pretty blurry textures most of the time, but the games load really fast. Coincidence?
The physics thing sounds interesting. Also, whatever happened to the big to-do everyone had about Wii having out-of-order instruction sets vs. in-order for the other two consoles? I guess with all the extra power they have, in-order isn't such a big deal, or what?
Post by: ruby_onix on May 15, 2006, 01:24:56 PM
Post by: Ceric on May 15, 2006, 01:32:02 PM
Post by: TMW on May 15, 2006, 01:50:18 PM
Thats cause its loading the entire game before you start.
Post by: IceCold on May 15, 2006, 03:19:39 PM
Post by: Ceric on May 15, 2006, 03:34:10 PM
Average Data rate of a DVD drive: Typical data rates for DVD movies range from 3–10 Mbit/s
I didn't realize DVD was so slow...
Post by: Dinzy on May 15, 2006, 04:26:08 PM
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Post by: stevey on May 15, 2006, 05:54:58 PM
The wiimote wont have buit-in recharchable battieries or be able to use internally chargable battery and some more bad news:
"The Wiire asked Barr if the Wii controller battery life will be similar to that of the GameCube's WaveBird. "Absolutely not," said Barr, further explaining the amount of information sent with the Wii controller is substantially greater than the WaveBird's data transfer. The Nintendo WaveBird lasts for approximately 100 hours when using standard alkaline batteries"
Start buying lots of AA bateries.
Post by: Crimm on May 15, 2006, 06:14:28 PM
It's not like it would be hard! I mean, cordless phones have done it for over 20 years!
Post by: jasonditz on May 15, 2006, 06:15:24 PM
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Originally posted by: Dinzy
DVD movies run at 1x. a 12 or 16x drive is well 12 or 16 tmes faster. The gamecube had like 24megs of ram so at say 2MB/s you can fill it all up in 12sec. Or in other words low ram = low load times.
That's not neccesarily the case either. You don't need to fill up the RAM before you start play, and you can load stuff on the fly without stopping play to some extent. So you can have more RAM with the same speed drive, and so long as you sort of "play your cards right", you won't see long load times.
Post by: jasonditz on May 15, 2006, 06:25:33 PM
Post by: AnyoneEB on May 15, 2006, 06:30:56 PM
No rechargables in the Wiimote is annoying, but you could always just buy your own rechargable AAs. Although, one of my friends says he does not like using rechargables in his GameBoy Color because the voltage does not drop with usage like alkilines. That is, the battery low indicator only goes on very soon before the battery is dead.
Post by: jasonditz on May 15, 2006, 06:49:37 PM
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Post by: Crimm on May 15, 2006, 08:07:59 PM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution
Non rechargeable batteries isn't really that bad if it has a long battery life like the wavebird has.
However, we know it wont. They've alredy told us that, but if you think about it...
Blah.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 15, 2006, 08:08:38 PM
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Post by: jasonditz on May 15, 2006, 08:20:32 PM
I'm guessing with NiMHs you could probably do much better though.
Post by: Mario on May 15, 2006, 08:52:23 PM
Post by: jasonditz on May 15, 2006, 09:13:37 PM
This gives us a bit more flexibility and I'm all for that.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2006, 09:18:42 PM
what kind of features does a battery have? & what extra features could I get for a little more $$$?
Post by: Crimm on May 15, 2006, 10:18:01 PM
Post by: BigJim on May 15, 2006, 10:31:51 PM
As for the discs, the games themselves are almost guaranteed to be on proprietary media, not unlike GameCube discs. They're similar enough to "real" DVDs that the cost of compatibility is negligible. Especially when you sign a contract to buy XX million drives and sell an upgrade for $20 a pop.
How many people here plan to buy the DVD upgrade? I'm content with my progressive scan player...
Post by: 31 Flavas on May 15, 2006, 11:38:51 PM
QuoteWhy use some proprietary battery that can only be charged by the Wii or some special charger? For that matter what happens when your internal battery runs dry? Teathered PS3 and/or 360 controllers (while charging) I would think would/could be acceptable... But, I wouldn't want to use a teathered Wii-mote for any sports game on Wii or RedSteel, Metroid, Zelda, Mario, WarioWare, or pretty much any Wii game because I the internal battery is dry. Sorry.
Originally posted by: stevey
The wiimote wont have buit-in recharchable battieries or be able to use internally chargable battery
I'd rather just swap out a pair of AA recharable batteries. I can have a spair pair on hand ready to go for when the current batteries fade. No messing around with or having to play while using charging cables.
Post by: Caliban on May 16, 2006, 05:57:35 AM
Post by: Renny on May 16, 2006, 08:02:13 AM
Edit: The GBA and DS have internal Lithium Ion batteries, not Nickel metal hydride. <i am lose>
Post by: mantidor on May 16, 2006, 08:35:50 AM
Post by: WesDawg on May 16, 2006, 09:35:40 AM
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Originally posted by: ruby_onix
I think they said during the "Wii24" on line thing that the Wii will be one of those systems that's powered up all the time, just in sleep mode, like the PS2, and that will contribute to shorter startup times (like the PS2, LOL).
What? I don't think the PS2 is always on. It just has a little lite on the front to show its "off". If I'm wrong, tell me, cause' I'm sick of having to load games up every time I start it.
I'm imagining the Wii's "Always On" feature will be more like the PSP or DS's. If you're in the middle of a game and have to run out for a while, you can just put the thing into sleep mode. Minimizes all the power needed, but can bring itself back to life nearly instantaneously when you get back. I'd love a feature like that.
Post by: 31 Flavas on May 16, 2006, 09:39:00 AM
QuoteHow large is the battery in the PS3 controller though? I'd assume the hardware of the actual PS3 controller takes up a large amount of space. So the battery would have to be rather small. Bad battery life not because it consumes so much power, but because the battery is small. Now if you stick a reguar set of Alkalines or 3000 mah NiMH AA's into a PS3 controller and I bet its battery life would jump to 20 maybe 30 hours.
Originally posted by: mantidorsony got only six pathetic hours with no rumble (or maybe sony just sucks at doing battery life longer for it)
It's the same way with bluetooth headsets, the rediculusly small ones that look really snazzy and sleek use tiny Li-ion regarables and get 8-hours talk time. But if you buy a AAA battery powered model, you get 20 hours of talk time.
Post by: BigJim on May 16, 2006, 10:23:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Renny
Nickel Metal Hydride. It's the current 'standard' for small electronics. The GBA and DS both have an internal NiMH.
Small correction, the GBA SP and DS use Li-On batteries.
Post by: Renny on May 16, 2006, 10:28:22 AM
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Originally posted by: BigJimQuote
Originally posted by: Renny
Nickel Metal Hydride. It's the current 'standard' for small electronics. The GBA and DS both have an internal NiMH.
Small correction, the GBA SP and DS use Li-On batteries.
Hey, I was just fixing that. Type slower, will ya?
Post by: jasonditz on May 16, 2006, 11:19:11 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
" if you're willing to spend a bit more, you can get longer life and some nice features that almost certainly wouldn't have been in a wii rechargable battery"
what kind of features does a battery have? & what extra features could I get for a little more $$$?
There are really three things to look at: Capacity, charging time, and reusability.
Capacity is pretty easily rated just in mA. The higher the rated capacity of the battery the longer it should be able to last. If you spend a bit more, you can get quite high capacity rated batteries right now. I've seen anywhere from 1100 mA to 2900 mA. You pay more for the higher capacities, of course.
Charging Time: There's a gamut of charging devices that can go from 10-12 hour battery chargers to stuff like what Nintendo offers in their batteries, to the relatively new 15 minute charger. This charger requires special batteries that have some components in them to support such a fast charge without damaging it, but they are a very appealing choice for someone who doesn't like to sit around waiting for their battery to recharge. Costs a bit more, but it may be worth it to some
Reusability: Some types of rechargables suffer from a memory effect and will eventually not hold very much of a charge. My old NiCd's that I used to use with my Cassiopeia PDA in college were originally good for 3-4 hours of use. After a couple years they were lucky if they got 15 minutes. Some newer types of batteries are so much better at avoiding this problem that you can probably count of a well-taken-care of set of batteries lasting you the lifetime of the console.
Which brings me to another benefit: easy replacability. Those aforementioned NiCds were absolute garbage compared to what we have today. A high end NiMH battery should be able to run that same PDA for a couple days of non-stop use between charges. But that wasn't THAT long ago that I bought them... 7 years maybe. So who's to say what sort of rechargable battery tech will be available when the Wii is getting near its end of life? If this was a proprietary battery we'd likely be dependent on Nintendo adopting it (which they probably wouldn't until next generation) or third party solutions which might not be that reliable. In this case we can simply pop out our old, outdated NiMHs (or Li-Ion, or NiCd as the case may be), toss them in the garbage (err... officially sanctioned recycling facilities), and use the new ones as soon as they hit the market.
Ultimately, though I'm surprised Nintendo's going this route, it does give the end user a lot more choice. I can buy a slow charger and some spare standard AA's to use while I'm waiting for it to charge, or I can get a 15-minute charger and just pause the game and go check my email while it recharges, or any number of other things.
Post by: Kairon on May 16, 2006, 11:27:51 AM
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on May 16, 2006, 12:50:57 PM
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Originally posted by: stevey
"Other bit about the hardware is the battery life of the remote. Sony said their controller was going to last six hours, I was ready to start laughing about it because compared to the impressive battery life of the wavebird the ps3 controller is a joke, but what if the remote is the same? I mean it even has rumble and also motion sensing, do this consume battery life a lot? and is it going to be recharchable batteries or what?"
The wiimote wont have buit-in recharchable battieries or be able to use internally chargable battery
What the f*ck is that sh!t? I mean sure, I have a metric f*ckton of rechargeable AAs laying around, but still. Changing them is annoying as hell. I'd rather just be able to plug my controller into something every couple of days while I sleep.
Post by: trip1eX on May 16, 2006, 01:35:46 PM
Post by: Athrun Zala on May 16, 2006, 01:47:24 PM
Sony has outdone itself
Post by: Ceric on May 16, 2006, 01:59:12 PM
Then I thought about it a sec. Besides trying to use the accessory port as a charging port there isn't a good way to hook a Wiimote to a charger. In all actually you want to keep switching things in and out of that port to a minimum. This brings me to my next point.
Because of the size of the Wiimote I'm surprised we weren't looking at AAA's. I mean how small did they get those components to be?
Another thing to note. if memory serves, he said that the current batch uses AA's. They still might plan to change it because it's simpler to just use regular batteries in the none fully final ones.
Physic unit would be cool and keep with Nintendo using specialized hardware that makes some sense.
Post by: jasonditz on May 16, 2006, 02:34:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Athrun Zala
LOL, 6 hours??
Sony has outdone itself
It's only reasonable. The PS3 costs twice what the PSP does, you should get about twice the battery life.
That brings me to the secret of the PS3 controller: it's got a built in UMD drive
Post by: Renny on May 16, 2006, 03:20:22 PM
Post by: 31 Flavas on May 16, 2006, 03:55:12 PM
QuoteAA "batteries" could also just be a general describing term. I would think the Wii-mote could just as easily be powered by a single AA battery.
Originally posted by: Ceric
Because of the size of the Wiimote I'm surprised we weren't looking at AAA's. I mean how small did they get those components to be?
Post by: Requiem on May 16, 2006, 04:33:11 PM
Honestly, the 360's controller has an infinitely better solution.
With a 360, you never have to stop gaming simply because you don't have another pair of batteries handy. If your 360 controller dies, then you simply attach it to your 360. Brilliant!
At least I think that's how it works......
Post by: Kairon on May 16, 2006, 04:57:37 PM
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Post by: Requiem on May 16, 2006, 05:10:57 PM
Post by: jasonditz on May 16, 2006, 05:44:53 PM
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Originally posted by: Renny
As far as I know there isn't any technology on the horizon that would be compatible with alkaline/nickel powered electronics. They all have much higher voltage ratings per cell. So we're stuck with Alkaline, NiCd or NiMH. Which should be enough for the Wiimote, right? I've never run a wireless device off NiMHs, but I still have a pair of AAA NiMHs from my Panasonic SL-SX460. At six years old, they're in better shape than the CD player.
There's always research going on... whether any totally new chemistries come out or not, the existing ones will see improvements.
And yeah, even an existing NiMH solution should be plenty.
Post by: Caliban on May 16, 2006, 07:11:07 PM
Post by: 31 Flavas on May 16, 2006, 07:17:56 PM
QuoteAA NiMH recharables were up to 3000 mAh last time I checked. That's a lot of flipping juice.
Originally posted by: Requiem
But for how long?
QuoteSo in RedSteel, in the sword swinging portions, you wouldn't mind being tethered because your internal battery is dry? How about in Wii Sports, would you mind being tethered in a baseball or tennis game where you are swinging the remote around? Not me. No sir.
Honestly, the 360's controller has an infinitely better solution.
With a 360, you never have to stop gaming simply because you don't have another pair of batteries handy. If your 360 controller dies, then you simply attach it to your 360. Brilliant!
It just doesn't make any sense to put an internal recharable in the Wii-mote. If the battery runs dry, i'd just want to swap out for a fresh (or recharged) one and continue samurai slashing, bat swinging, and tennis playing wirelessly. The 360 and PS3 controllers are different, their controllers are well... regular. All you do is hold them in front of you and push buttons. I would not consider the charging cable much hassel at all unless I was sitting far from the TV. I mean, hell, we've played with corded controllers for the last 25 years.
Post by: Requiem on May 16, 2006, 07:28:51 PM
Ease of use > no wires
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on May 16, 2006, 09:02:24 PM
The problem is people would probably forget to take out those temp. alkalines when they're done and then put them in the dock, causing obvious probs...
Post by: wandering on May 16, 2006, 09:09:47 PM
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The best solutions is a compromise of both worlds: the Wiimote would take rechargeable NiMH AAs and would charge by putting it in a dock that connected to the Wii via USB port. If you forget to charge or it dies on you, you could always pop in some alkalines.
I had a similiar thought, except there would be a seperate DS-like recharable.
Regardles, IMO AAs > built-in recharable in this case, for all the reasons mentioned.
QuoteNEVER HAPPENING.
Originally posted by: slacker
That comment about physics being built into the system intrigues me. Is this the ace up Nintendo's sleeve that will give the Wii a processing advantage over the competition? I am a bit suspicious that the Wii might be more powerful than we thought and Nintendo's emphasis on gameplay over graphical power might be lulling the competition into a false sense of security (It could be that they don't want to compete with Hollywood like CGIs and have to pay more to their artist than their programmers). I'm willing to bet that in the next few months, Nintendo will unwrap the technical specs and reveal that it is a processing powerhouse that can simulate physics well enough that the quality of the effects will wow the gamers.
Post by: Renny on May 17, 2006, 05:59:30 AM
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Originally posted by: BiLdItUp1
The best solution is a compromise of both worlds: the Wiimote would take rechargeable NiMH AAs and would charge by putting it in a dock that connected to the Wii via USB port. If you forget to charge or it dies on you, you could always pop in some alkalines.
The problem is people would probably forget to take out those temp. alkalines when they're done and then put them in the dock, causing obvious probs...
Standard cell rechargeables should have an exposed portion of the outer casing near the end. A contact in the battery compartment will touch this, and only then will it charge. Alkalines can't be charged this way, unless you peel off some of the shroud yourself. At least that's how all my electronics that will charge batteries are configured.
Post by: UncleBob on May 17, 2006, 06:26:13 AM
Thank the lord Nintendo has decided to go with AA batteries for the Wii Controller. Anyone who thinks otherwise... well, you're crazy.
Post by: EasyCure on May 17, 2006, 09:11:19 AM
with all the excitement from e3, all the games, all the speculation, i forgot just how small the consol is supposed to be. "roughly 3 dvd cases stacked on top of eachother" really is the best comparison...
look at just how small the consol is...
it makes the 12cm disc look like a vinyl record!
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 17, 2006, 09:32:25 AM
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Post by: wandering on May 17, 2006, 08:03:42 PM
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Originally posted by: UncleBob
I've said it before, and I'll say it again - Give me a unit that takes AA batteries over some kind of 'you-can-only-buy-this-from-Nintendo-and-you-better-hope-they-still-sell-it-in-fifteen-years battery' 25 years later, I still play my Intellivision. I have great fears that I will not be able to do the same for my SP/DS/micro.
Thank the lord Nintendo has decided to go with AA batteries for the Wii Controller. Anyone who thinks otherwise... well, you're crazy.
And if you think the Wii's optical drive will still work in 25 years, you're crazy...
Post by: Requiem on May 17, 2006, 08:06:14 PM
I'd imagine Nintendo coming out with something that much more incredible.
Post by: ShyGuy on May 17, 2006, 11:10:03 PM
Post by: WesDawg on May 18, 2006, 12:37:51 PM
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PGC: We saw at the press conference that when everyone was playing tennis, they had Mr. Iwata's face and everyone else's face put on the characters. Are there any thoughts of putting in a system were players can draw their own faces?
TT: Yeah, that's going to be a part of [Wii Sports] and it's going to have hardware functionality, that you will be able to use some set images and match them up together to create faces. You can also do some editing of your own to create stuff that's closer to yourself and your friends. These will remain in the hardware system so that you can use them throughout the Wii Sports titles and maybe with other software titles, too. We'll just see how that works….so we'll have a character-creating piece of software, I guess.
Does this imply that the character creation software is build in, like PictoChat?
Post by: SgtShiversBen on May 18, 2006, 12:46:33 PM
Who told you such nonsense about them being wired?! BUBBLES ON YOU!
Post by: mantidor on May 18, 2006, 03:48:09 PM
Post by: Athrun Zala on May 18, 2006, 06:37:38 PM
actually, I'm more concerned of how it will handle GC games (since most slot-loading drives accept 12cm CD/DVD only) :S
Post by: BigJim on May 18, 2006, 08:30:37 PM
Let's just say there was no nice was to remove it...
I hope their drive won't ever require any "reverse engineering" of our own to get our discs back.
Post by: wandering on May 18, 2006, 10:23:06 PM
Post by: IceCold on May 18, 2006, 10:30:40 PM
Post by: EasyCure on May 19, 2006, 06:50:08 AM
i was more took in by how small the system is in comparison to the disc, but you'rs was a valid question mantidor. honestly im sure nintendo will provide a quality product on all fronts, they always do, so im sure your Wii and GC disc won't get damaged being entered and ejected from the system.
speaking of nintendo's hardware being kick ass; i recently dropped my GC from over five feet, landed face first on top of both my memorty cards and i thought that ATLEAST my memory cards would be trashed, but they and the system are working fine. though now my gc has a battle scar across the front, and if i take out one of the cards that flap wont close unless i tap the front end of it lol.
my point is, you shouldn't worry about it
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Post by: Crimm on May 19, 2006, 10:33:00 AM
I replaced it soon after and that one has never scratched any, including the easily damaged CD-RWs.
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 19, 2006, 10:52:37 AM
I think it is good to note that probably means RAM is being upgraded, or those initial reports about SPECS were completely false.
I predict a nice 128MEGS RAM will be in the Wii, and that is a pretty good solid amount. I also expect Nintendo Wii launch games to be much better looking than they were at E3.
Post by: thejeek on May 19, 2006, 11:09:06 AM
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GoNintendo has a report that states the CPU for the Wii is not the reported 7oomhz, but actually 1.1GHz...though it is only a rumor at this point.
Is this simply repeating the same rumour that surfaced a couple of days ago, or is there a second source for this?
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 19, 2006, 12:27:49 PM
He was commenting about E3 on his blog, and said bluntly that the 1.1 Ghz Wii CPU surprised him because everyone was expecting much less.
Is that the same rumor? Is it different? Where did he hear that? I dunno.
But 1.1 Ghz isn't overly powerful, but it isn't as under powered as the idea of a 750mhz. And that could bod well like I mentioned for the potential of a RAM upgrade.
Post by: wandering on May 19, 2006, 12:47:21 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
The same Nintendo that made Yoshi's Story
Touché.
Post by: BigJim on May 19, 2006, 01:39:17 PM
I rarely moved it. Engineering oopsies exist even from Nintendo. But to their credit that was the first time anything Nintendo-branded died on me.Edit: Actually, I just remembered I had to re-buy the NES since it had the classic "blow in the slot" issue.
Post by: mantidor on May 19, 2006, 02:27:17 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on May 19, 2006, 04:35:15 PM
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As far as the Wii itself is concerned, there hasn’t been much to report. We did hear more about its tech specs though. While the 1.1Ghz PowerPC* CPU doesn’t compare to the PS3’s Cell processor in terms of power, it is much faster than I was initially expecting. I was thinking somewhere in the 750 MHz range. I agree with Nintendo in that it is true that tech specs don’t really matter to the people who play the games. But I still want to know what they are. There’s nothing wrong with that, is there Nintendo? One thing we didn’t hear more about was the device that can enable the Wii to play DVD movies. Hopefully we will find out more about that soon.
*Editors note: The 1.1Ghz PowerPC was not confirmed by Nintendo. The CPU speed is based on a rumor that I came across. So while I can not say what the confirmed CPU speed will be, I can say that I am hopeful it will be 1.1 GHz. I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.
Personally, I wanna hear more about this physics system that Konami let slip out in the Elebits interview at IGN.
Post by: Crimm on May 19, 2006, 05:34:05 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
Oh I have no doubts of Nintendo's quality in hardware, my DS has fallen more than once, sometimes even opened, and it has survived with few scratches and perfect functionality...
For some reason this made me think of the Gulf War GameBoy.
Post by: IceCold on May 19, 2006, 07:36:38 PM
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Post by: EasyCure on May 20, 2006, 06:56:50 PM
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Originally posted by: vudu
Who here has a slot-loading CD player in their car? Who here is old enough to drive? How many CDs has it scratched? Mine's scratched zero.
exactly. i never once scatched a cd in either my moms car or my own. then one day you tell someone to put a cd in for you cuz you're lazy and they put it in wrong and scratch the hell out of it
.so mantidor, the impression you're giving me is that since replacing something is not an option for you, you would take care of your things more so than some of us, right? well if thats the case and you're being slightly obsessive compulsive about it, you'll take good care of your Wii disc and load them in properly, because there is no question in my mind that the Wii would scratch your disc upon insertion. any damage would be from you
Post by: mantidor on May 20, 2006, 07:12:12 PM
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Post by: EasyCure on May 21, 2006, 04:34:39 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
yeah but is easier to scratch a disc with the Wii than to do it with the GC.
how? because it self loads? lol just BE CAREFULL with it man, thats all
Post by: BlkPaladin on May 21, 2006, 04:51:58 PM
