Post by: RickPowers on May 09, 2006, 09:18:16 AM
Seriously, Wii is going to score big, but it won't be because of the name. The price and the gameplay are what's really going to make Wii a success. Judging by the press conference, Wii is going to completely redefine gaming.
Disruptive indeed.
Post by: MysticGohan on May 09, 2006, 09:20:06 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 09, 2006, 09:23:47 AM
I honestly wasn't all that impressed. Sure, I only read about it and missed some details, but considering the hype the conference got, it was pretty dissapointing.
I was honestly expecting more Nintendo games being shown off, like wario, Metroid and SSB.
Nintendo also left out a lot of details about their console.
Can someone sum up the entire conference and point out the amazing stuff? I honestly wasn't feeling it...
Also, I didn't catch it when they talked about the name, but I am still not convinced about the name working...
I thought you were pretty clear as to why the name might not work, Rick. What's up?
Post by: Mario on May 09, 2006, 09:26:29 AM
Post by: vudu on May 09, 2006, 09:29:08 AM
Post by: The Omen on May 09, 2006, 09:30:57 AM
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I thought you were pretty clear as to why the name might not work, Rick. What's up?
He didn't say he likes the name now. He said the games and controls will make it a non factor.
Post by: trip1eX on May 09, 2006, 09:31:00 AM
Post by: RickPowers on May 09, 2006, 09:31:04 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
...You were seriously IMPRESSED with what they showed, Rick?
I honestly wasn't all that impressed. Sure, I only read about it and missed some details, but considering the hype the conference got, it was pretty dissapointing.
Well, if you didn't WATCH the press conference, you missed EVERYTHING. You really had to see it.
For the record, I wasn't watching it live, since I couldn't get to E3 due to my schedule. I watched the GameSpot stream. That said, I'm a believer. I still think the name sucks, and it's truly unfortunate that it might hinder what would otherwise be unfathomable sales rates, but anyon that gets their hands on this thing (or even sees people having fun with it) will be sold. Instantly.
At the risk of blowing my cover ... if you really want to know what I thought, check out my blog. You guys knew that Rick Powers was just an alias, right? Right?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 09, 2006, 09:31:44 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario
^ Wario and Metroid WERE shown off, did you even watch the conference?
I only read about it. But from what I read and heard, the only showed off a video of them. What I meant is that I wanted them to shown off on stage, show off how the games worked with the controller in real time. I wanted a full blown presentation, not video.
And Rick, I was talking about it with a friend who was watching it live and he wasn't all that impressed either...
I just fail to see why the conference was so amazing considering the details talked about were pretty basic...
Post by: Strell on May 09, 2006, 09:36:50 AM
Or sex isn't fun because you saw a crappy porno and decided it would be boring.
Post by: Michael8983 on May 09, 2006, 09:37:14 AM
Be patient. E3 hasn't really even started yet.
I'm sure most if not all of the games will be playable. I'd rather read lengthy impressions from people have played the games than short demos from Nintendo reps anyway. The conference was just a tease. We just have to wait a little longer for the real info.
Post by: willie1234 on May 09, 2006, 09:39:51 AM
seeing is believing.
Post by: RickPowers on May 09, 2006, 09:42:49 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
I only read about it. But from what I read and heard, the only showed off a video of them. What I meant is that I wanted them to shown off on stage, show off how the games worked with the controller in real time. I wanted a full blown presentation, not video.
And Rick, I was talking about it with a friend who was watching it live and he wasn't all that impressed either...
I just fail to see why the conference was so amazing considering the details talked about were pretty basic...
Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I wasn't really watching the games. I was watching the people playing. And judging by the looks on their faces, and the way they were moving the controller, I have no doubt that what I "felt" when I saw that is exactly what others will feel as well.
I think we're past "games" now. I think we're quickly approaching an era of "experiential play", and Nintendo is going to be the pioneer. All of a sudden, the Blue Ocean Strategy makes sense. Nintendo just went and moved from being a games company and did it in a way that hardly anyone noticed until it was too late. Strangely, it works. I always told people that asked "why do you play games", that I did it for the experiences rather than to simply waste time. I (and I think many of you) keyed into that on a visceral level that we were only vaguely aware of. Nintendo has simply managed to lock onto it in a more tangible form, and then realized it.
I only have one complaint ... where's my PunchOut! game?!
Edit: Ok, two complaints ... no Wii version of Nintendogs???
Post by: Caterkiller on May 09, 2006, 10:32:31 AM
I think Project Hammer looks pretty fun, though a little generic (but hey the masses love generic right?)
And that natural disaster game or what ever has sparked my interest. I really expected at least one cartoonish type of IP to be shown, I guess Nintendo can't be the same forever.
As for Mario... I am so pleased that it was finaly shown, and I can't wait to get my hands on it.
Post by: wandering on May 09, 2006, 10:32:46 AM
Yeah, you've put it well. Sony has e3 ads with playing rock paper scissors and swinging from monkey bars and such...but I think those analogies would work much better with the Wii than they do with the ps3. Nintendo is taking videogames to the next level and, damn, it's exciting.
Glad Nintendo's made a convert out of you, Rick.
Post by: Jin-X on May 09, 2006, 10:41:06 AM
Post by: Requiem on May 09, 2006, 10:47:38 AM
Anyway, I'm on the same boat as you.....PunchOut!! would of been a wise chose for a revival IP, same with many others. But you should know better than me that something was definitely held back. No capcom, no Namco? Yeah right....
There are plenty of Aces up Nintendo's sleves, and once they reveal them, they'll have the game industry bowing down with interest alone.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 09, 2006, 10:51:11 AM
The name still sucks, but I think, in the end, Nintendo wanted a name that sucks.
No SSB makes SB a mad fanboy...
Post by: Ian Sane on May 09, 2006, 11:25:01 AM
Though a lot of my enthusiasm is based on how much Sony is screwing up. The price is too high and the motion control is lame. MS is still a threat in my mind but to me I have no doubt that Sony will not be number one at the end of this gen. That's encouraging for Nintendo.
Plus the controller looks like it doesn't break gaming. I may not like it but it looks like I can work with it. There's still "gamer games" here. In fact I don't really see anything really non-gamer focused like Brain Age or Electroplankton.
Post by: archioverload on May 09, 2006, 11:28:26 AM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on May 09, 2006, 12:00:29 PM
But everything else makes up for it a hundred times over.
Post by: mantidor on May 09, 2006, 12:06:30 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on May 09, 2006, 12:06:50 PM
Post by: willie1234 on May 09, 2006, 12:08:18 PM
Post by: IceCold on May 09, 2006, 01:26:54 PM
Post by: EasyCure on May 09, 2006, 03:48:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Mario
^ Wario and Metroid WERE shown off, did you even watch the conference?
I only read about it. But from what I read and heard, the only showed off a video of them. What I meant is that I wanted them to shown off on stage, show off how the games worked with the controller in real time. I wanted a full blown presentation, not video.
And Rick, I was talking about it with a friend who was watching it live and he wasn't all that impressed either...
I just fail to see why the conference was so amazing considering the details talked about were pretty basic...
im not sure if anyone beat me to this but....
they DID show it off in real time. they did for Z:TP and a tennis game. the tennis game is the one that was the best only because it had Reggie, Iwata, Miyamoto and the dude that one the aol contest to be first to play Wii. it was great because it was so simple and you can tell. no nunchuck attachment, just the wiimote. two on two; even the aol contest winner, i think his name was Scott, got the hang of it and BEAT REGGIE (i think it was reggie he beat....yeah im pretty sure he was paired with miyamoto.....what an honor
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 09, 2006, 04:50:30 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Though a lot of my enthusiasm is based on how much Sony is screwing up. The price is too high and the motion control is lame. MS is still a threat in my mind but to me I have no doubt that Sony will not be number one at the end of this gen. That's encouraging for Nintendo.
Plus the controller looks like it doesn't break gaming. I may not like it but it looks like I can work with it. There's still "gamer games" here. In fact I don't really see anything really non-gamer focused like Brain Age or Electroplankton.
well unless MS can get Traction in Japan, its not going to be a threat, i can see the Xboxx edging out the Wii in NA and Europe, but in Japan it'll be all Wii.
I hope they get some more "non-gamer" games onto the Wii soon, but i'm also glad they've got the gamer games as well, seriously I can see the Wii achieving all of Ninty's goals this gen,and even if it doesn't the games look killer, even the graphics were great as far as i'm concerned.
Post by: Louieturkey on May 09, 2006, 05:12:51 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I'm not sold on the blue ocean strategy and I'm not sold on the controller. But I'm still quite impressed. I don't see the lineup as something that is necessarily going to bring non-gamers in but it looks like a lineup that gamers will be interested in. That's all I care about anyway. Even if the Wii was a "normal" console and these games were controlled by a normal controller, this lineup would get people talking. It's FAR better than the initial Cube E3 lineup. There's big games like Metroid and Mario and there's new ideas and there's this cool mature third party game. It's a solid bunch of games. Plus the third party support is encouraging. Square is on board and EA is actually making an original Madden game and all these third parties that weren't very Nintendo-friendly before are on board. There is concern about Capcom and Namco though, which seem to have disappeared despite being Cube supporters.
Though I'm guessing you've already seen, Namco has a huge amount of Wii games coming and Capcom has a Resident Evil game. I was hoping for more from Capcom, but at least they are showing support.
Post by: Caliban on May 09, 2006, 08:25:41 PM
Post by: wandering on May 09, 2006, 08:30:42 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I'm not sold on the blue ocean strategy and I'm not sold on the controller. But I'm still quite impressed.
Ian's on board? Yay!
Post by: jasonditz on May 09, 2006, 08:40:13 PM
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Originally posted by: wanderingQuote
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I'm not sold on the blue ocean strategy and I'm not sold on the controller. But I'm still quite impressed.
Ian's on board? Yay!
Ian's no hypocrite. They gave him pretty much everything he's asked for, right down to 2 original first party IPs aimed at gamers. Hell... they even managed to make the multisport party title without trying to shoehorn a Mario franchise onto it.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 09, 2006, 08:59:51 PM
Post by: 31 Flavas on May 10, 2006, 07:51:19 AM
QuoteWii! Oui! We! Wee-Wee! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Originally posted by: mantidor
I dont take anything back, the remote is awesome, I knew it then and I know it now and the games will be fantastic, the name still sucks.
Post by: mantidor on May 10, 2006, 07:56:31 AM
Post by: 18 Days on May 10, 2006, 07:57:22 AM
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Originally posted by: RickPowers
I think we're past "games" now. I think we're quickly approaching an era of "experiential play", and Nintendo is going to be the pioneer. All of a sudden, the Blue Ocean Strategy makes sense. Nintendo just went and moved from being a games company and did it in a way that hardly anyone noticed until it was too late. Strangely, it works. I always told people that asked "why do you play games", that I did it for the experiences rather than to simply waste time. I (and I think many of you) keyed into that on a visceral level that we were only vaguely aware of. Nintendo has simply managed to lock onto it in a more tangible form, and then realized it./q]
if you notice Wii's page at Nintendo's site. They don't call the game "games" it's "software." It's like they're creating a multimedia device.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 10, 2006, 08:09:50 AM
Yeah I've seen them. When I commented that wasn't known yet. So now I feel more confident.
Post by: 31 Flavas on May 10, 2006, 08:09:51 AM
QuoteOh comon, its not that bad. It's a fun name even. And it's so pliable. Wii-mote. E Thr-wii. Wii <3 Katamari. etc...
Originally posted by: mantidor
you are evil
Post by: mantidor on May 10, 2006, 08:17:26 AM
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 10, 2006, 08:22:29 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 10, 2006, 09:00:50 AM
Nintendo's conference seemed to be all about leaving impressions and not really answering too many other questions. Virtual Console? Date? Price? Shell? Those things are more or less predictable, but nonetheless I'm in the group that wanted more data.
I've grown frustrated over the last 2 years. Years of teasing, promises of greatness while simulaneously floundering with the GameCube. Dragging us along in the promise of going online. Dumb mistakes. All the talk of non-gamers. etc. I was losing a lot of faith in Nintendo to execute. I had no reason to believe in their controller and ideals. The Cube was a 3-year system for me. Star Fox Assault is the last game I bought for it.
Nintendo said the other systems were exclusionary... and it's true. The MS conference was all about intense visuals and first person shooters (except for Viva Pinata). Sony was a little better in diversity, but was also about the mature visuals. The problem is GameCube is also an exclusionary system. They excluded the hardcore gamers that want the types of games found on those other systems. It was all about the "safe games" and IPs from the start.
While Nintendo's conference didn't offer up a lot of facts, what I saw was the sleeping giant starting to wake up. Attracting non-gamers with GAMES that just happen to be accessible and unintimidating. Reviving Mario and Zelda to what (I think) they should be. New IPs, especially HAMMER and Disaster that I can probably get into. FINALLY, mature games from the start and not this "token game" BS... hopefully.
The Wii name still sucks, but I don't even care anymore. If they sustain this kind of lineup (from casual to hardcore) throughout the life of the system, keep them coming regularly, and don't fall into another hybernation 2 years in, Wii will rock.
Post by: obscureownership on May 10, 2006, 09:05:20 AM
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Originally posted by: willie1234
funny - I was actually thinking there weren't many (any?) non-gamer games. I guess the sports games and maybe wario ware? But in general, these games seemed to have the same marketing target as the cube games did. Maybe we'll see cooking/conducting stuff come out later, maybe as side games.
My guess would be they don't want to target non-gamers at first, but rather, establish a core audience to get a consistant feed of money until they can come up with good appealing ideas for grandparents.
Post by: RickPowers on May 10, 2006, 09:14:38 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 10, 2006, 09:17:41 AM
Maybe they feel that their method on the DS was too segregating. The DS hasn't sold nearly as well in the US as it has in Japan and I think that's because the non-gamer strategy worked in Japan but not here. So maybe their plan is to make gamer games that can also appeal to non-gamers. That's a much safer strategy because if non-gamers don't bite it's okay because traditional gamers will still buy it. Aside from this Wii lineup I've noticed that this year's DS showing seems much more "gamer focused" then before. On the DS initially it was like "okay these are non-games and these are games and the non-games are of no interest to gamers". But over the last while the DS lineup has improved tremendously and judging by this E3 showing that trend is going to continue.
So I think Nintendo has possibly tweaked their plan a bit. Instead of making very non-gamer focused content that gamers aren't really going to be interested in they're making games that gamers will want to play, but because of the remote will also attract non-gamers.
Post by: IceCold on May 10, 2006, 03:37:34 PM
QuoteYeah, I really want to know this.. although he'll probably say that Sony is brilliant because they're not focusing on the controls too much and all the regular buttons are there.
Originally posted by: mantidor
Talking about katamari what would that guy say now that their beloved sony is going to use gyroscopes as well?
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 10, 2006, 03:52:54 PM
I'm actually interested in 3rd party launch titles for the first time ever, I'm loving what has been done to Mario, and I'm even interested in genres I usually dislike, like golf and football...
Post by: trip1eX on May 10, 2006, 04:12:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Maybe they feel that their method on the DS was too segregating. The DS hasn't sold nearly as well in the US as it has in Japan and I think that's because the non-gamer strategy worked in Japan but not here.
That's true to some extent, but as Miyamoto said the US doesn't have half the non-gamers titles yet that Japan has. It's taking awhile to localize them for this market. Nintendo also said Brain Age has sold 100,000 copies in 3 weeks which is a faster rate than in Japan. Last the DS Lite has proved even more popular in Japan and some of that should translate over here.
Post by: cubist on May 10, 2006, 08:10:45 PM
I take it all back...Super Smash Bros Brawl...nuff said.
Post by: thejeek on May 10, 2006, 11:16:32 PM
Post by: TrueNerd on May 11, 2006, 12:03:39 AM
I tried not to, but I counted down every to E3 for 28 days this year. The longer I don't know the Wii's launch date, the better, because that countdown will be PAINFUL.
Post by: wandering on May 11, 2006, 12:13:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Maybe they feel that their method on the DS was too segregating. The DS hasn't sold nearly as well in the US as it has in Japan and I think that's because the non-gamer strategy worked in Japan but not here. So maybe their plan is to make gamer games that can also appeal to non-gamers. That's a much safer strategy because if non-gamers don't bite it's okay because traditional gamers will still buy it. Aside from this Wii lineup I've noticed that this year's DS showing seems much more "gamer focused" then before. On the DS initially it was like "okay these are non-games and these are games and the non-games are of no interest to gamers". But over the last while the DS lineup has improved tremendously and judging by this E3 showing that trend is going to continue.
So I think Nintendo has possibly tweaked their plan a bit. Instead of making very non-gamer focused content that gamers aren't really going to be interested in they're making games that gamers will want to play, but because of the remote will also attract non-gamers.
My guess is that the game lineup has been getting better and more gamer friendly because, well, great games like Star Fox DS and Phantom Hourglass take time to develop...and non-gamer games don't.
Nintendo is making a killing on Nintendogs and Brain Training/Age, though, so I wouldn't expect them to stop making games like that anytime soon. But I'm glad the silly notion that non-gamer games (which can be produced cheaply and with tiny dev teams) would somehow hurt Nintendo's "real" games, has finally been put to rest.
Post by: Dryden on May 11, 2006, 12:27:09 AM
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My guess is that the game lineup has been getting better and more gamer friendly because, well, great games like Star Fox DS and Phantom Hourglass take time to develop...and non-gamer games don't.
Yeah... I don't think any system launch since N64 + Mario 64 was "gamer friendly". Launches are riddled with short development time. Would you truly want the DS to launch with Starfox, Zelda, or even Metroid? You saw the Metroid that came packaged at launch - we're all glad we waited.
Meanwhile, the Wii launch has a Zelda that's been in development for... quite possibly the longest dev time since Half Life 2. We'll all be happy.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 11, 2006, 07:30:39 PM
I admit I HATED the name, with a passion. I argued about it, I yelled at people about it, I got extremely depressed over it and it got so bad that I started having heated arguments with my best friends about it.
But after E3, I could care less...True, I still think it's a dumb name and they could've chosen a BETTER one, but I am so impressed with how Nintendo has done at E3 I am almost inclined to believe that the games WILL sell the system to EVERYBODY.
I think the Wii has a certain magic the DS had. It's a dumb, silly concept that enthralls you once you are willing to accept and I think this is what Nintendo is aiming at with the console.
I mean, the gaming media, which has been jaded towards Nintendo since the N64, has embraced the Wii, even when it's still a prototype and pretty much a souped up Gamecube with a different controller. We have developers embracing it, we have jaded gamers embracing it. I mean, the PS3 was supposed to be a big deal this year, but all the media has focused on the Wii from what I've seen and read.
Seeing the game trailer shown at the conference made me a believer that the games will easily pull people into the console. It's like I said the magic that captures people and doesn't let go.
True, I still think the name is dumb and think that they need to advertise the hell out of the console in order for it to be a success, but I am definitely done being overly negative about it and just wait and see. If everyone else wants to argue about the name and how it could damage Nintendo, fine. But maybe it's time we all learned to just get along and move on with life. It's not the end of the world.
