Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 09, 2006, 05:46:57 AM
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Post by: Requiem of Darcness on May 09, 2006, 09:36:17 AM
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No need, sony is already dead after AWESOME nintendo press conference.
Are you kidding? Sony was dead after their press conference. I mean Nintendo could have showed off the old cream spinach screened Gameboy and they couldn't have possibly bombed as bad as Sony. The half assed Wii controller functionality in the "new" Dualshock and the $600 PS3 pricetag sunk them. Sony came off as desperate IMO. They seemed to think the PS name and some half assed versions of Nintendo and MS' best features would hide the fact that the PS3 games look no better than 360 titles and the system is $200 more expensive than the 360. Iwata and Gates had to be getting drunk last night in celebration of Sony's complete self destruction. For the price of the PS3 you will be able to buy a 360 and a Wii. I knew Sony had grown arrogant but at this point they have surpassed N64 era Nintendo.
Post by: archioverload on May 09, 2006, 11:15:09 AM
http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/09-05-2006-2758.html
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"When it comes to the power of the system, I was impressed, but it seemed to me that there was little that the Xbox 360 or a decent PC couldn't do. Certainly nothing to match what Sony has been boasting about over the past few months. We're talking the difference between Xbox and PS2 here, if that, and it didn't help that the list of games wasn't particularly inspiring - Tekken, Ridge Racer, etc. The stuff that I really wanted to see, like Virtua Fighter 5, didn't even get any in-game footage."
Post by: couchmonkey on May 09, 2006, 12:42:59 PM
If Microsoft doesn't step up, Sony will continue to beat them. I'm still not sure where Nintendo stands in all this, but I see it as a big gainer, at least.
Post by: Frozen Atlantic on May 09, 2006, 06:14:09 PM
But... somebody said earlier... you can buy a Wii AND a 360 for the price of a PS3. That is insane. What's worse is that Sony's STILL taking a huge hit on all their systems. And when (WHEN) Blu-Ray tanks, it'll be the 2006 version of a Laserdisc based game system. Fail.
Post by: couchmonkey on May 10, 2006, 06:19:07 AM
Post by: Requiem of Darcness on May 10, 2006, 01:23:36 PM
Post by: Fps_Doug on May 10, 2006, 06:47:57 PM
Another reason that Wii will probably not eclipse the PS3 is the fact that Sony has developed an "Xbox Live" type online service. The ablitiy to compete online is still the biggest concern of gamers. While Nintendo will appeal to non-gamers much more than the other systems, non-gamers are a small minority when it come to console sales. They are much less likely to go out and buy a $300 system if they have never owned one or know much about one.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 11, 2006, 04:43:53 AM
Post by: capamerica on May 11, 2006, 06:53:59 AM
Right now more then ever I hope that Square takes note at how people are reacting to the $600 price tag and truly decides to bring their games to other consoles. Even the dieiest of Die hard Final Fantasy fanboys are having a hard time justifying the idea that they are going to have to drop $600 on a PS3.
Blu-Ray was to big of a gamble on Sony and I think its really going to bite them in the ass in the end.
Post by: Requiem of Darcness on May 11, 2006, 07:32:12 AM
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A mess-up at E3 doesn't mean that much. The system still has Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, and practically every other big franchise people want to see. I think Sony is going to lose a lot of marketshare this generation, but it's up to Microsoft and Nintendo to capitalize on Sony's failures. I'd say Nintendo has, big time, but I find myself still totally underwhelmed with Xbox 360. News is starting to come out of the press conference and it seems like the only big thing is Halo 3 - a VERY predictable game that won't be available for at least a year. Boring.
If Microsoft doesn't step up, Sony will continue to beat them. I'm still not sure where Nintendo stands in all this, but I see it as a big gainer, at least.
You are missing one big problem for Sony. Final Fantasy (2007? 2008?) and Metal Gear (2007) don't hit this year. At $600 they aren't going to get any casual gamers. Casual gamers determine the market winner. X-box and Gamecube were mostly bought by hardcore gamers and sold a lot less than the PS2. By 2007, Sony will most likely be behind MS and Nintendo. What do you think will happen to their exclusives when they have the smallest userbase? They will go straight to 360. The same way a lot of Cube exclusives went to PS2.
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Unless Square comes out and says that FFXIII is coming to the Xbox360 or the Wii I'm sadly going to have to find a way to buy a PS3. I just hope that by the time FFXIII hits the market the PS3 will have dropped to at least $300 for the basic system.
Right now more then ever I hope that Square takes note at how people are reacting to the $600 price tag and truly decides to bring their games to other consoles. Even the dieiest of Die hard Final Fantasy fanboys are having a hard time justifying the idea that they are going to have to drop $600 on a PS3.
Blu-Ray was to big of a gamble on Sony and I think its really going to bite them in the ass in the end.
You see thats the thing. I don't think the PS3 will hit $300 until 2008. By then the Wii will probably be around $100 to $150 and the 360 will probably be around $200. Both the Wii and 360 will have a huge installed base by then. $200 is the sweet spot as far as the casual gaming public goes and the PS3 won't even be at that level two years from now. The slower it sells, the harder it will be for Sony to reduce its production costs. I mean they probably will still be taking a loss on the hardware at $300 in 2008. As sales lag, they will start losing support. Square Enix puts Dragon Quest on the best selling system. That being the case, Dragon Quest will probably end up on Wii. That will finish Sony in Japan as DQ is more popular than Final Fantasy in Japan. I don't know what will happen with Final Fantasy. Since the 360 is a non factor in Japan, I don't know what will happen with the series. It will most likely stay on PS3, but if the Wii takes off like the DS it wouldn't be out of the relm of possibility for it to get the main series in the event of a PS3 failure. Although, from a technical standpoint it would make more since for it to be moved to 360. I just don't see FF going to 360 barring the system getting PS1 like market share.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 11, 2006, 08:56:01 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 11, 2006, 09:09:24 AM
Post by: Ages on May 11, 2006, 09:16:15 AM
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In Japan, the PS3 is launching at 71,800 yen...That's around 650 dollars in U.S. dollars right now...And that's before tax, of course...Good grief...
Remember they passed a law in Japan that all games (systems too I believe) include tax in the price reported. Still, it really doesnt make the experience of buying one any less painful
Post by: Sessha on May 11, 2006, 10:13:10 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 11, 2006, 11:18:23 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
In Japan, the PS3 is launching at 71,800 yen...That's around 650 dollars in U.S. dollars right now...And that's before tax, of course...Good grief...
Remember they passed a law in Japan that all games (systems too I believe) include tax in the price reported. Still, it really doesnt make the experience of buying one any less painful
No, no, that's BEFORE the tax is included...75,390 yen is the price with tax...(This info is from someone who actually lives in Japan...)
Post by: Ian Sane on May 11, 2006, 11:35:05 AM
In the end Halo was ready and it delivered and the Xbox survived almost entirely on that game alone. Then a year later it surpassed the Cube and has been in second place ever since. The poor E3 showing didn't mean anything.
I think the price is everything. The question is will the initial strong third party support the PS3 gets be enough to make people spend that kind of a money on a console. Ignoring the price the PS3 still has a lot of momentum. When Nintendo fell they lost the third party support before the N64 was even released. The weak third party support was noticeable at the N64's first E3. Sony has this high price and lame rip-off controller but they haven't scared away their support yet.
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Post by: odifiend on May 11, 2006, 07:10:34 PM
I'm sorry, I don't care how much 3rd party support Sony has (and there have been rumblings that they've been losing a lot of it - I wonder if that was the impending price or last minute motion control), 600 dollars is show stopping. I work now and could get whatever console I choose but I could not sell my mom on 600 dollars for a game machine, in fact, I might be smacked for even suggesting it. I mean, six... hundred... dollars? That is more than a car payment for most people... And that is with no games.
EB Games must love this... so much merchandise will be traded in.
Post by: Griffin on May 11, 2006, 08:56:30 PM
It's weird. At the release of the last systems, I swore I would never buy a Microsoft console, and that I MIGHT buy a ps2 (I didn't). Now it's the complete opposite. GG Sony.
Post by: ThePerm on May 11, 2006, 09:54:00 PM
Post by: Arbok on May 11, 2006, 10:41:50 PM
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http://articles.news.aol.com/business/article.adp?id=20060510163809990001
Looking at the link on the side, seems that Sony's stock prices are also in a pretty constant decline... maybe investors are getting scared at the price too?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 12, 2006, 11:48:29 PM
2. In fantasy, they'd like to have a PS3 (cuz sure as hekk it won't be a reality with that price).
Post by: Dryden on May 12, 2006, 11:51:13 PM
You know, I think people are underestimating Sony. They'll come out fine.
1. They are a major multi-faceted corporation, with some of Hollywood in their pocket, or at least behind Blu-Ray.
2. The install base for the PS2 - which launched at a high price as well - is astounding. The PS3 is directly for that market.
3. Sony's a juggernaut advertiser.
4. Sony's console is more 'typical' - which means more movie to game adaptations, by a long shot. (Godfather + Wii-mote = ???)
5. Nintendo isn't known for realism in its games, nor will it be this generation - PS3 / XBox have this down.
6. The technology behind the good games - hitting a year after launch (read: LucasArts) is phenominal
Actually, lets talk about that quick: take a look at the LucasArts demo, with the PS3 powering new physics and AI enginges. For them, it was just a quick demo, showing the end of canned animations and the beginning of immersive, realistic environments. Apply it to any genre:
- Fighting games with real-time muscle movements and realistic body reactions... (Bushido Blade becoming true-life, Fight Night reacting truly, no more juggling in Tekken)
Games with cars that crash / drive with perfect phsyics (Grand Theft Auto realtime accurate car damage, Gran Turismo control like we've never seen, explosions in Twisted Metal having nothing to do with a life bar, and everything to do with the car's mechanics)
FPS / Adventure games that have no scripted movements for enemies, only AI reactions (Bond missions would never be the same, enemies moving around)
And the big one for North America: Sports. Say goodbye to canned animations at EA in two years. Motion capture will only be a base for new sports games. A game of Madden will look like an NFL game, at least in physics. And the PS3 is capable of monitoring bone density in hockey players; combined with the weight, speed and angle, we've got an accurate injury simulator.
You get the point. Nintendo can't hope to have this kind of play. Control is great, but on the PS3, my hockey / football games aren't going to look like video games anymore.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 13, 2006, 01:30:56 AM
The PS3 does nothing the XCircle doesn't do (except "cost 600$") so it'll have a hard time taking the market back in the west. It'll be a big player in Japan but I imagine the average gamer in the US will look at both, see that both play Madden and GTA and decide to go with the much cheaper XCircle (that also has full bargain bins already because it's been out for longer). Or, if the person only wants his Madden he might look at the Wii and decide that "easier to use" is right up his alley.
(Godfather + Wii-mote = ???)
Drive-By Shooting.
Post by: Requiem of Darcness on May 13, 2006, 11:40:55 AM
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Sony will be FINE, though lose market share.
You know, I think people are underestimating Sony. They'll come out fine.
1. They are a major multi-faceted corporation, with some of Hollywood in their pocket, or at least behind Blu-Ray.
2. The install base for the PS2 - which launched at a high price as well - is astounding. The PS3 is directly for that market.
3. Sony's a juggernaut advertiser.
4. Sony's console is more 'typical' - which means more movie to game adaptations, by a long shot. (Godfather + Wii-mote = ???)
5. Nintendo isn't known for realism in its games, nor will it be this generation - PS3 / XBox have this down.
6. The technology behind the good games - hitting a year after launch (read: LucasArts) is phenominal
Actually, lets talk about that quick: take a look at the LucasArts demo, with the PS3 powering new physics and AI enginges. For them, it was just a quick demo, showing the end of canned animations and the beginning of immersive, realistic environments. Apply it to any genre:Fighting games with real-time muscle movements and realistic body reactions... (Bushido Blade becoming true-life, Fight Night reacting truly, no more juggling in Tekken)
Games with cars that crash / drive with perfect phsyics (Grand Theft Auto realtime accurate car damage, Gran Turismo control like we've never seen, explosions in Twisted Metal having nothing to do with a life bar, and everything to do with the car's mechanics)
FPS / Adventure games that have no scripted movements for enemies, only AI reactions (Bond missions would never be the same, enemies moving around)
And the big one for North America: Sports. Say goodbye to canned animations at EA in two years. Motion capture will only be a base for new sports games. A game of Madden will look like an NFL game, at least in physics. And the PS3 is capable of monitoring bone density in hockey players; combined with the weight, speed and angle, we've got an accurate injury simulator.
You get the point. Nintendo can't hope to have this kind of play. Control is great, but on the PS3, my hockey / football games aren't going to look like video games anymore.
I think you are overestimating Sony. The PS2 at $300 was only a $100 over the mainstream pricepoint of $200. The PS3 on the other hand is $400 above a mainstream price point. This will greatly hinder Sony. Most consoles are sold when a system hits a $200 pricepoint. It will take the PS3, three or four years to reach such a price point. Meanwhile, MS and Nintendo will have been long reached such levels. Sony's PS2 had a year head start to build a large userbase, leveraging that userbase with the Playstation name allowed Sony to hold on through significant game drought and go on to win this generation. The PS3 is giving the 360 a year head start and unlike the X-box and Gamecube, the PS3 is not meeting or beating the price point of the next gen market leader which is Microsoft by default. Most gamers will not be able to pay the $600 that Sony is asking, this will allow MS to continue to build its lead in the western markets until Sony can get its price to a reasonable level. Unlike the PS2, the PS3 has a extra feature in Blu-Ray that most of the public does not want or need. The PS2 leveraged the DVD playing aspect, a feature which most of the public (gaming and non gaming) wanted to get their hands on, to ensure a rapid growth of the PS2 userbase. Most people don't have HDTV's and not even all HDTV owners have the necessary HDMI support needed to take advantage of Blu-Ray.
Sony, like Nintendo with the N64, is overestimating their strength. They are leaving themselves open to defeat. The Wii is poised to crush the PS3 in Japan. The Wii is following in the steps of the DS and with a $400 price advantage and similar "non games" available for it, the Wii will is now almost guaranteed the number 1 spot in Japan. The Japanese gaming market had been eroding but the DS has been able to reach people that had previously never gamed or had given it up. The Wii has the same aim. Not having the number one position in Japan will weaken Sony's hold on Japanese based third party exclusives. In the West, Sony has left themselves open on two fronts. Nintendo is seeking to reach a similar market in West as it has had in Japan. In the US, that market does not seem as big. So, MS will likely reap the rewards of Sony's stupidity. I think MS will win the US market with Nintendo being a close second. Sony will repeat the N64 pattern, they will start off with a bang and slowly fade away. In Europe, I don't who will win. The DS is doing better in Europe than Japan so that would seem to indicate that the Wii's unique style will do better there than in the US. I think MS or Nintendo will take Europe. It depends on how fast Nintendo can grow the non gamer market and how much of the conventional market MS will usurp from Sony. In short, I think Sony will be last this generation. As for worldwide? I think MS will edge out Nintendo. The US market seems to buy the most consoles and I think MS's presence here will counteract their lack of presence in Japan.
The PS3 for a graphics standpoint is not better than the 360. The GPU in the 360 is actually more powerful than the RSX in the PS3 by all accounts. The RSX, GPU of PS3, from all the specs I have gathered seems to be a slightly modified GeForce 7800. The 360's GPU has more pixel and vertex shaders and a much higher bandwith. Sony has been displaying Cell specs where ever they can, but they have been giving more general specs on their GPU. The Cell processors single core seems near identical to one of the 360s cores from its three core CPU. The SPUs cannot operate seperately from the main core of the Cell which seems to be counter productive. The cores of the 360 CPU can operate independantly of each other. The Cell seems to be more of a general purpose processor. If its power can be harnessed it may be able to outstrip the 360 but I don't think it likely.
Sony should have used the extra year to ensure its chipset was superior to the 360s in all respects. Outside of having faster Main Ram. The PS3 seems to have devoted too much of its cost to its Blu-Ray drive. To MS' credit, most of if not all of the 360's technology seems to be focused on delivering the most technically impressive HD graphics possible. While not everyone can take notice of this because the majority of us have standard definition TV's, at least the 360's hardware is less media hub/movie player and more game console. The PS3 seems to be the console version of the PSP which is current going the route of the Sega Game Gear. Starting with a bang, and slowly fading into the background. Sony has given away their market leader ship in another failed attempt to force a proprietary medium on the public. Nintendo has taken the purest console approach. The Wii is just a games machine. Only this time, unlike the Gamecube, Nintendo has insured that the Wii is unique. The controller will be reason for the Wii's success. It will be interesting watching MS and Nintendo take down Sony. As usual, the gaming market leadership is never won by the underdog. Instead, the market leaders unbelievable arrogance always leads to their downfall.
Post by: Grant10k on May 13, 2006, 02:30:57 PM
Past internet searches on Nintendo/Playstation
And in this graph, you can see how the Wii shoots past the competition just before the finish line:
Graph for Wii/Playstation
Of course this graph is skewed because 'wii' didn't exist until like, a month ago.
Post by: Ages on May 13, 2006, 06:11:00 PM
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The gap is already slowly closing
Past internet searches on Nintendo/Playstation
And in this graph, you can see how the Wii shoots past the competition just before the finish line:
Graph for Wii/Playstation
Of course this graph is skewed because 'wii' didn't exist until like, a month ago.
Thats not really the best indicator of which system will be better
DS vs. PSP
Apparantly, the PSP is kicking ass in terms of trend history around the world, including Japan. So either all the PSP haxxors are searching for this stuff, the nongamer strategy is working (thus no searches), or Google Trends is full of sh!t.
Post by: The Omen on May 13, 2006, 06:11:31 PM
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This is definately not the end of the playstation era. While nintendo could certainly gain ground on them, the fact remains that there are the PS2 sold 33 million consoles in the U.S. with Xbox and Game Cube selling 14 and 11 million consoles. There are still alot of people who are going to buy the PS3 based on Sony variety of titles and the fact that they have the best game designers working for them.(Activision, Square Enix, Capcom, Konami, Namco, ect.)
I guess we don't have many business analysts in our midst...
If there's one thing we know, it's complacent, arrogant companies can commit suicide with one bad decision. I'll ask you how much of the market Nintendo owned going into the N64 era. Then I'll ask you how much Sony took by the end of that generation. To think the same can't happen here is putting blinders on. Lets also not forget that the N64 had better graphics, and at the time, had Square support. It was pulled in favor of the Playstation, and I could see a similiar thing happening here. What you have to realize is the gamers who made the Playstation huge are a house of cards. A fickle lot who have no brand loyalty. They will have no problem buying a 360 and a Wii for less than the PS3 as long as Nintendo has the Japanese companies in tow (which they do), and the 360 covers the west (and they do), I can see it as clear as day-I'm not waiting for FF on the PS3 when I can get a multitude of better titles at launch for the Wii, and in the third generation of 360 games. The crushing blow will be at this years space world, or the GDC where Nintendo announces a price point $400 less than the PS3. Then they announce FF 13. It is officially over at that point. Also, with MS painting Nintendo as the logical second system, there will be a huge backlash against Sony.
Post by: Grant10k on May 13, 2006, 07:37:56 PM
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[a bunch of stuff that I said]
Thats not really the best indicator of which system will be better
DS vs. PSP
Apparantly, the PSP is kicking ass in terms of trend history around the world, including Japan. So either all the PSP haxxors are searching for this stuff, the nongamer strategy is working (thus no searches), or Google Trends is full of sh!t.
Or perhaps I just liked the way this graph is showing a trend that i'm in favor of so I didn't exactly have my crack research team go out and prove myself wrong.
However, trends are probably good for determining public interest. The masses are more interested in the PSP, if you see a best buy commercial, they are advertising that you can buy the latest hip gear (a PSP) at their store, not a DS. On the other hand, interest doesnt nessisarilly make a system more popular. For example, one internet user might wonder if the PSP can play DVDs, so he does a search on it, a search on the best price, a search to check what people think of it, but then does one search on the ds, goes to the store and impulse buys one. My point is that this graph may be skewed in six random directions, but I'm still going to post it because I favor the way the trend is going. Accuracy can kiss my ass.
Post by: Mario on May 13, 2006, 08:10:51 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 13, 2006, 11:54:37 PM
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PS3 is going to succeed no matter what, I know people who are already putting a thousand dollars into the system after just seeing the PSP Wing Mirror function in F1 06. Also, on the news here they had an E3 special with 20 minutes devoted to PS3 and nothing about Wii, Sony has this weird grasp on the media that will get them hype through anything. In Japan however I think Wii could come out in front of PS3.
Sometimes I wonder if Japanese gamers are vastly more intelligent when it comes to gaming tastes, they appreciate creativity and innovation.
Post by: SixthAngel on May 14, 2006, 12:05:41 AM
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Post by: Kairon on May 14, 2006, 01:21:20 AM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 14, 2006, 01:27:56 AM
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One thing that worries me is that PS3 launch games will cost TONS to develop. If Sony can't manufacture or sell enough systems in their first 6 months, third parties financials are going to take a significant hit. It could be discouraging.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Another good point, sure pretty graphics are great and all, but it takes alot to develop them. I just hope too many don't get hit hard, because I would hate to see companies hurt because of Sony's poor descisions. On the bright side this will shift them over to Wii since it will be vastly cheaper to develop for
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Post by: KDR_11k on May 14, 2006, 03:37:44 AM
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Sometimes I wonder if Japanese gamers are vastly more intelligent when it comes to gaming tastes, they appreciate creativity and innovation.
AHAHAHahaahahahaaa!! Yeah, innovation like 5% less clothing in the next Final Fantasy, not changing anything for the next Dragon Quest, a few new features for Winning Eleven n+1 and of course Pokemon.
The buyers in Japan aren't any more intelligent than the buyers in the US. The only difference is that they are buying Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest instead of Madden or GTA. IOW they value graphics over gameplay.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 14, 2006, 08:56:04 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 15, 2006, 05:57:42 AM
We both also have the fluff games that come out and we will buy no matter what. KDR brought up a good point. RPGs are sometimes fluff games for Japanese gamers. Just because a game has a story and is an RPG doesn't instantly mean a great experience or game.
However, we believe it does mean that, because we get so few Japanese RPGs around here. Also I believe Japan gets more fighting games than us.
Sure our fluff is First Person Shooters, Third Person Shooters (usually crime based) and Sports games. But that doesn't mean other fluff is anymore better or worse than Japanese fluff.
Or something like that.
Post by: Renny on May 16, 2006, 09:03:31 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 19, 2006, 09:41:31 AM
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Despite Sony's pledge to reach a broad audience with PS3 during its launch window, Reeves admitted that appealing direct to the hardcore games playing fraternity will quickly become vital for the company in the next-gen console war.
"Without being too arrogant about it, I don't think we worry too much about building up the hype in the first six months, but where the rubber hits the road is going to be when all those hardcore gamers have bought PS3", said Reeves. "They have also bought Xbox 360 and they have probably bought Nintendo Wii as well."
However, Reeves maintained that shifting PS3s in the early days won't be a problem, such is the strength of the PlayStation brand: "We have built up a certain brand equity over time since the launch of PlayStation in 1995 and PS2 in 2000 that the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even it didn't have games."
so 5 million sold, then what? Is everyone else really gonna want to put down $600 after already owning or considering a Wii or 360?
hahahaha
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Advertisement:Precisely which PS3 titles will actually be available on launch day remains a mystery however, although Reeves told us that Insomniac's Resistance: Fall of Man "will certainly be a launch title". Worryingly, he said that Heavenly Sword, one of the PS3 titles at E3 that actually impressed people, won't hit until "after Christmas", as will the new Formula One game plus off-road racer Motorstorm.
they had to point out that one of the games actually impressed people, hahaha, how sad.
Post by: Mario on May 19, 2006, 05:00:20 PM
Post by: Hocotate on May 19, 2006, 05:31:21 PM
"WHO NEEDS GOOD GAMES!? THE PLAYSTATION NAME WILL CARRY US!! JUST LIKE THE NINTENDO NAME CARRIED THE N64.... oh wait..."
Post by: Athrun Zala on May 19, 2006, 07:06:14 PM
Quotelol, me too!
Originally posted by: Mario
I'm actually rooting for MS... how things change!
but then, for me it isn't new, since when I was a kid I said I'd never buy a Sega console >_>
Post by: KDR_11k on May 20, 2006, 12:08:37 AM
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Post by: Requiem on May 24, 2006, 10:44:00 AM
That's honestly even worse than the $600 price tag, but both of them together is terrible. How is someone suppose to take a game over to their friends to play?
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 24, 2006, 11:27:56 AM
Wow, that would suck.
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Post by: Kairon on May 24, 2006, 11:47:31 AM
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Games Radar claims Sony resurrected the "no rental or used sales possible" plan. Goodbye Sony, nice to have known you!
Link please?
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Hocotate on May 24, 2006, 02:27:37 PM
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Link please?
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?articleId=20060524153157765035§ionId=1006&releaseId=
Post by: Mikintosh on May 24, 2006, 02:59:29 PM
Post by: Louieturkey on May 24, 2006, 03:23:34 PM
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Originally posted by: Requiem
Ya, I heard that too.
That's honestly even worse than the $600 price tag, but both of them together is terrible. How is someone suppose to take a game over to their friends to play?
Convince their friend to buy the game so that you can both play online together. Nobody wants to play with others in the same place anymore, don't you know.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 24, 2006, 03:51:07 PM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution
Sometimes I wonder if Japanese gamers are vastly more intelligent when it comes to gaming tastes, they appreciate creativity and innovation.
AHAHAHahaahahahaaa!! Yeah, innovation like 5% less clothing in the next Final Fantasy, not changing anything for the next Dragon Quest, a few new features for Winning Eleven n+1 and of course Pokemon.
The buyers in Japan aren't any more intelligent than the buyers in the US. The only difference is that they are buying Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest instead of Madden or GTA. IOW they value graphics over gameplay.
Well for one American gamers eat up the Final Fantasy games as well, along with Pokemon. With that said, there is sadly more "new" in a new FF game than there is between a GTA game or Madden game. There has been nothing significant added to GTA since the 3rd installment, with the focus being more on larger enviroments, rather than trying to fix the glitches or the still pisspoor aiming. Madden is worse than GTA, in that you would be hardpressed to notice any significant changes between generations. I cannot comment on the Dragon Quest series since I have not played any of them, but Japanese gamers seem to be more open to innovative and quirky products, along with not being turned off by something if it is "not mature".
Post by: stevey on May 24, 2006, 05:01:33 PM
and wiill burn for their many rip off of nintendo's games and their many sins against 
reggie.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 24, 2006, 05:18:24 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 24, 2006, 06:47:51 PM
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Originally posted by: GamesRadar.com
It seems that Sony is planning to adopt a licensing system that will mean gamers won't own the PS3 titles that they've paid money for. Instead, they will only be purchasing the licence to play the game and that the software itself will still be Sony property - meaning that the disc won't be the customer's to sell.
We assume that the thinking behind this move will ultimately be to stop PS3 games being resold several times - which currently snatches potential sales away from Sony - and to counter the impression in consumers' minds that games are only really worth their pre-owned price and are not worth buying new.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 24, 2006, 07:25:06 PM
Post by: Renny on May 24, 2006, 07:35:32 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 24, 2006, 08:35:07 PM
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Post by: Kairon on May 24, 2006, 08:41:54 PM
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: IceCold on May 24, 2006, 08:42:08 PM
*cuts to PSP "rear view mirror" connectivity*
Post by: Athrun Zala on May 24, 2006, 08:51:32 PM
on a side note, Sony is trying really hard to lose.......like, MS and Nintendo don't have to do ANYTHING to bring Sony down....
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 24, 2006, 08:51:54 PM
Post by: wandering on May 24, 2006, 08:56:59 PM
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Originally posted by: GamesRadar.com
It seems that Sony is planning to adopt a licensing system that will mean gamers won't own the PS3 titles that they've paid money for. Instead, they will only be purchasing the licence to play the game and that the software itself will still be Sony property - meaning that the disc won't be the customer's to sell.
This is something large corporations (and the governments they sponsor) have wanted for a long time: the end of sharing. The dream is to have a complete "ownership society"... where no one takes public transportation, because everyone buys their own cars and gas. Where no one lives in a community, because everyone takes care of their needs and wants on an individual basis. Where no one is allowed to share or give or resell or backup their property, because everyone gets everything straight from the corporations.
I hope the PS3, and Blu-Ray, fail miserably.
Post by: Kairon on May 24, 2006, 11:55:59 PM
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Originally posted by: wanderingThis is something large corporations (and the governments they sponsor) have wanted for a long time: the end of sharing. The dream is to have a complete "ownership society"... where no one takes public transportation, because everyone buys their own cars and gas. Where no one lives in a community, because everyone takes care of their needs and wants on an individual basis. Where no one is allowed to share or give or resell or backup their property, because everyone gets everything straight from the corporations.
I hope the PS3, and Blu-Ray, fail miserably.
But..but...then that'll leave the way clear for Microsoft, who want this just as much as any other megacorporation out there, and what's more, already HAVE it with Windows!
Our only hopy is for the "three stooges" syndrome to come into effect and have Sony and Microsoft keep each other off-focus and off-balance enough that Nintendo can survive and thrive on a large scale. If it becomes a one-on-one then Nintendo probably won't be able to compete at all against these behemoths!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: BlkPaladin on May 25, 2006, 12:46:50 AM
I would have to say that Gamestop will probally not go for it since they make a lot of money off their game resales. And it will also reduce Sony's shelf share in Gamestores, that is if it is true.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 25, 2006, 10:33:12 AM
Hilarious Parody of Sony Price/MGS 4 trailer
