Post by: Rize on May 08, 2006, 04:53:50 PM
Sony just announced that the standard PS3 controller will include a 3 axis tilt sensor capable of detecting "360 degrees" of motion. The announcement was followed by a quick video, which, to the trained eye, demonstrated the limitations of their thinly veiled attempt to copy Nintendo's innovative Wii controller. They proudly asserted that the device was innovative (yes, but who's innovation?) and blithely pointed out that it requires no external sensors to function.
At what cost does the loss of external sensors come though? In short, the PS3 controller will only detect the tilt of the controller as it is moved. The demonstration showed a guy attempting to fly a plane from the game Warhawk with it. He made exaggerated motions, which turned the plane, but the plane returned to level before he moved the controller back. This is a far cry from the sensitivity of the Wii controller. The sensor bar allows the Wii to detect the precise location and orientation of the Wii controller even when it is not moving. This will enable a much larger range of applications (such as first person shooting to name just one). Of course, the Wii controller also has an accelerometer in the analog attachment as well.
Apparently no other PS3 launch games (assuming Warhawk makes the launch) are currently designed to use the device, which was likely a last minute add on in response to the increasing popularity of Nintendo's new controller design.
Post by: Caliban on May 08, 2006, 05:22:39 PM
No external sensor but it still needs one inside the PS3.
Post by: slacker on May 08, 2006, 05:24:45 PM
Post by: Rize on May 08, 2006, 05:26:04 PM
Post by: Epitaph on May 08, 2006, 05:27:29 PM
Post by: Rize on May 08, 2006, 05:28:47 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 08, 2006, 05:30:12 PM
We were ALL right.
Post by: MaryJane on May 08, 2006, 05:33:12 PM
I hope not cuz i noticed some lag from controller to plane.
Post by: Karl Castaneda #2 on May 08, 2006, 05:33:28 PM
Oh, and I can't wait for the interviews.
Industry Press: So... you're a douchebag, right?
Kaz Hirai: Huh? What?
IP: I'm not trying to insult you. It's a legitimate question. I'm wondering... well... are you, physically, a bag filled to the brim with hygenic products?
Kaz Hirai: Fourth Dimension?
IP: I have to go now...
Post by: cubist on May 08, 2006, 05:34:33 PM
Fanboy alert...hehehe...j/k
I'll be at their booth...but I'll be interested in how their controller feels vs. Nintendo's controller...
Post by: Rize on May 08, 2006, 05:35:00 PM
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Originally posted by: MaryJane
I wonder if its the same technology that the nunchuck uses?
I hope not cuz i noticed some lag from controller to plane.
The PS3 tech would be useful if programmed right. But it's no Wii-mote. And yes, the nunchuk has an accelerometer in it which is approximately what the PS3 controller will have (I can't say from here which is of better quality if either though).
Post by: ABlueflameA on May 08, 2006, 05:35:33 PM
-Blueflame
Post by: Mario on May 08, 2006, 05:36:01 PM
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Post by: Crimm on May 08, 2006, 05:39:22 PM
Post by: Griffin on May 08, 2006, 05:41:41 PM
For the record, I emailed this to a bunch of guys I work with... they all laughed.
Post by: Epitaph on May 08, 2006, 05:44:38 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on May 08, 2006, 05:45:24 PM
Post by: Dasmos on May 08, 2006, 05:47:50 PM
But, seriously who didn't see this coming eventually? I know I did.
Post by: Nick DiMola on May 08, 2006, 05:48:12 PM
Get pumped people because tomorrow Nintendo is going to show Sony how motion sensing is really done.
Post by: BigJim on May 08, 2006, 05:48:44 PM
It's like they stuck Wario Ware inside the controller. It's just tilt sensitive. It has nothing on the Wiimote.
Post by: Rize on May 08, 2006, 04:53:50 PM
Sony just announced that the standard PS3 controller will include a 3 axis tilt sensor capable of detecting motion with "6 degrees of freedom". The announcement was followed by a quick video, which, to the trained eye, demonstrated the limitations of their thinly veiled attempt to copy Nintendo's innovative Wii controller. They proudly asserted that the device was innovative (yes, but who's innovation?) and blithely pointed out that it requires no external sensors to function.
At what cost does the loss of external sensors come though? In short, the PS3 controller will only detect the tilt of the controller as it is moved. The demonstration showed a guy attempting to fly a plane from the game Warhawk with it. He made exaggerated motions, which turned the plane, but the plane returned to level before he moved the controller back. This is a far cry from the sensitivity of the Wii controller. The sensor bar allows the Wii to detect the precise location and orientation of the Wii controller, including distance from the screen and very subtle movements. This will enable a much larger range of applications (such as first person shooting to name just one). Of course, the Wii controller also has an accelerometer in the analog attachment as well.
Apparently no other PS3 launch games (assuming Warhawk makes the launch) are currently designed to use the device, which was likely a last minute add on in response to the increasing popularity of Nintendo's new controller design.
Post by: Rize on May 08, 2006, 06:10:17 PM
Post by: wandering on May 08, 2006, 06:27:10 PM
Post by: BlkPaladin on May 08, 2006, 06:52:42 PM
Post by: thepoga on May 08, 2006, 07:20:23 PM
EDIT: Also, the way they "unveiled" the PS3 controller was the lamest thing ever. Not only did they copy the way Reggie unveiled the DS, but they had their PS3 controllers in plain view from the beginning of the press conference! And that guy had the dumbest look on his face as he pulled it out.
Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on May 08, 2006, 07:32:14 PM
Post by: Nick DiMola on May 08, 2006, 08:15:18 PM
Did anybody else see the pricing, $499.99 for the base system and it has only a 20 GB HDD. Not to mention it lacks support for Memory Sticks, SD and Compact Flash cards, no built-in Wi-Fi and the HDMI output is also removed. I guess that means the only PS3 package worth buying is the fully functional system at a whopping $599.99. OUCH! That is a full $200 more than the Xbox 360. How does Sony intend on being a) profitable and b) competitive?
I think this may be it my friends, Nintendo's golden opportunity to grab hold of the market they once reigned. I'll keep my fingers crossed for an amazing presentation tomorrow.
Post by: ShyGuy on May 08, 2006, 09:00:51 PM
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Post by: nemo_83 on May 09, 2006, 12:13:54 AM
yep, decision made, buying a Wii
Post by: Faithinchaos on May 09, 2006, 02:48:20 AM
I've rarely experienced the feeling I felt while watching Sony's conference- I just slowly sunk in my chair in shame for them. It was like watching a Todd Solondz movie, even with the gut-wrenching "punchline," in Sony's case being to the tune of a half a grand.
MINIMUM.
I thought Microsoft really knew how to blow it, geez. I have a whole new respect for them. I mean, their theft of ideas is more sly and.. corperate. Sony just dropped trou in front of the world and we all got to see their shrivled and pathetic absence of any dignity and integrity. Ken Katagari even specifically introduced it as being born of their own innovation... and I'll bet he can fit two of those controllers in his mouth.
I just hope they have people ready for the phonecalls they'll get from Nintendo's lawyers. Whom are QUITE the lively bunch, from what I hear.
Oh, and I'll save you the suspense on one of their "secret" titles - Eight Days sucked. A few of us already played it a few years ago when it was called The Bouncer.
Post by: MaleficentOgre on May 09, 2006, 02:52:14 AM
Post by: odifiend on May 09, 2006, 03:15:29 AM
"WHY IS NINTENDO SO SECRETIVE, BLAH BLAH BLAH"
Post by: SlayerZero on May 09, 2006, 04:15:53 AM
Post by: stevey on May 09, 2006, 04:19:31 AM
Copying the wiimote=everyone at sony burning in hell
nintendo going to wii-n!
Post by: MysticGohan on May 09, 2006, 05:32:32 AM
Post by: Ceric on May 09, 2006, 05:44:14 AM
"Clear Black"? What...
What is Sony trying to pull?
The card stuff does look cool though.
So I can see it know.
"We need to make the PS3 better."
"I know sir why don't we incorporate all the best ideas of the other companies only mediocre?"
"Thats great Scott"
"Plus we can use the same dual shock controller get rid of the rumble and make it wireless with rechargeable batteries and leverage the USB"
"That's great sir, and We could put the tilt technology that Nintendo uses in its Gameboy line and call it a Great Innovation"
"Brilliant. This is better then the PSP"
Post by: Artimus on May 09, 2006, 05:47:20 AM
"Sony: We Try to Do What Ninten-do (and Fail Miserably)"
The worst part of all this, though, is that besides removing rumble there is not a SINGLE change. People call Nintendo arrogant, but good lord! This is a digusting insult if there ever was one. The DualShock is, and has been for eleven years now, a mediocre controller. It needed an update in 2000, and it needs one now. But no, Sony is too chicken to innovate anything.
After last night I want Sony to lose this race more than ever. I want Nintendo to win, but I'd gladly take 2nd with MS in first if it means Sony dies. Urgh what an a-hole company.
Post by: Louieturkey on May 09, 2006, 06:30:07 AM
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Kutaragi also took the time to comment on Sony's shipping targets for the system. SCE plans to have two million units available at launch (the Japanese press reports this as the initial shipment figure for the system, and not a number that will be gradually released over a launch window), with another two million by the end of the year and two million more before the end of March 2007. Regarding this, Kutaragi said, "Of course, this is a number that we announced having made sure we can definitely prepare it. There is the possibility of unexpected problems like earthquake or theft, so I won't say it's absolute, but if this type of trouble does not occur, there's no problem with this number."
This almost makes me think, if they really can't make this number, will they state that a huge shipment of PS3's were stolen and ultimately caused a shortage in shipments. I could seriously see them doing this to save face.
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 09, 2006, 07:15:14 AM
Yeah. Nintendo was right all along. I SAID WOW
