Post by: Bloodworth on May 05, 2006, 06:39:09 PM
Post by: mantidor on May 05, 2006, 06:41:23 PM
Post by: Louieturkey on May 05, 2006, 06:47:01 PM
Post by: Caliban on May 05, 2006, 06:54:50 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
ha! that makes a lot of sense, including the "we" sound, is very chinese, although Im not sure, Im not expert in chinese or anything.
BlackNMild2k1 is an expert in chinese, he might tell us what it really means. Fa Kin Su Pah!
Post by: jasonditz on May 05, 2006, 07:52:52 PM
Post by: Requiem on May 05, 2006, 08:00:19 PM
If that's true (very clever indeed) then good luck Nintendo.
China's CRAZY!
Then again, it does have the largest population of any country.
Post by: mantidor on May 05, 2006, 08:02:02 PM
Post by: jasonditz on May 05, 2006, 08:08:51 PM
Post by: wandering on May 05, 2006, 09:57:35 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 05, 2006, 10:10:15 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 05, 2006, 10:13:43 PM
But then again it's still stupid to call a product sold for profit anything reminescent of the communist revolution.
Post by: UncleBob on May 06, 2006, 03:47:24 AM
China is *the* untapped Home Console Market of the world... Geeze, if like 0.001% of the Chinese population bought a Wii and ever single other person in every single other country bought one, China would still be the #1 Market...
Post by: KnowsNothing on May 06, 2006, 05:05:50 AM
Post by: Terranigma Freak on May 06, 2006, 06:01:01 AM
Post by: UncleBob on May 06, 2006, 06:05:12 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on May 06, 2006, 06:12:40 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I thought communist dictatorships see the term "revolution" as positive because they use it as the justification for their power? As in "communist revolution"? I'm pretty sure some of them call dissidents "counter-revolutionaries".
But then again it's still stupid to call a product sold for profit anything reminescent of the communist revolution.
Well KDR in China every Tom Clancy game Ubi Soft put out is banned in China if it has references of Communist China, Korea, and other neighboring countries that had communist roots in them. Also if nintendo kept the revolution name it won't please the Chinese government at all, because if you remember the Google incident in China. For those who don't know what that incident was: Google wanted to establish a business building in China, the chinese government allowed them to do so on one stimpulation which was; Google had to erase all the images of the Tiananmen square protest that had tanks in them. Google refused to remove those images so Google never set up camp in China.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 06, 2006, 06:35:12 AM
I don't think the word "revolution" is connected to Tiananmen square in China.
The much bigger problem with China is that you can forget about selling games that come on physical media there.
Post by: mantidor on May 06, 2006, 08:23:39 AM
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Originally posted by: UncleBob
You mean with all the Chinese bootlegs of GameBoy Advance games, no one bootlegs the Zelda, Metroid or Kirby titles?
Being latinamerica the adopted children of China regarding piracy I can confirm this. It was an enormous odissey for me to find Metroid Fusion and Zero Mission here, because most GBA games are their pirated chinese version with 10 GBA games and 100 NES games, and those 10 GBA games are never Metroid or Zelda.
Back in the famicom/NES days it was the same, thats why I came to know Zelda and Metroid only with the N64 and GC, for some reason those two franchises never got pirated to the level of Mario and thus were never popular.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 06, 2006, 09:31:13 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 06, 2006, 09:38:17 AM
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Originally posted by: CalibanQuoteBlackNMild2k1 is an expert in chinese, he might tell us what it really means. Fa Kin Su Pah!
Originally posted by: mantidor
ha! that makes a lot of sense, including the "we" sound, is very chinese, although Im not sure, Im not expert in chinese or anything.
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Originally posted by: jasonditz
Since Chinese is a tonal language, it likely means more than one thing depending on how we say it. My Chinese is really awful, but I've never heard "Wii" used as a word.
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Post by: Athrun Zala on May 06, 2006, 01:32:30 PM
QuoteI second that, after all, rampart piracy is why the PSX/PS2 are so popular here.....
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Originally posted by: UncleBob
You mean with all the Chinese bootlegs of GameBoy Advance games, no one bootlegs the Zelda, Metroid or Kirby titles?
Being latinamerica the adopted children of China regarding piracy I can confirm this. It was an enormous odissey for me to find Metroid Fusion and Zero Mission here, because most GBA games are their pirated chinese version with 10 GBA games and 100 NES games, and those 10 GBA games are never Metroid or Zelda.
Back in the famicom/NES days it was the same, thats why I came to know Zelda and Metroid only with the N64 and GC, for some reason those two franchises never got pirated to the level of Mario and thus were never popular.
Post by: Bloodworth on May 06, 2006, 10:33:29 PM
That's obviously what made the entry of iQue and it's relative success such a big deal. If Nintendo has a plan for Wii that they think will work in China, it may be influencing decisions such as the name. And remember, officially, it's not the Nintendo Wii, it's just Wii, another element that would make sense in the Chinese marketplace where "iQue" has been the brand, not the obviously Japanese "Nintendo".
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 06, 2006, 10:46:14 PM
But yeah, pretty interesting theory.
Post by: mantidor on May 06, 2006, 11:21:29 PM
Post by: jasonditz on May 07, 2006, 05:59:10 AM
Post by: UncleBob on May 07, 2006, 06:37:38 AM
How will piracy and the Virtual Console play together in a market such as China?
Post by: odifiend on May 07, 2006, 06:43:39 AM
Post by: AnyoneEB on May 07, 2006, 06:50:10 AM
Post by: Terranigma Freak on May 07, 2006, 07:25:49 AM
As for games like Zelda and Metroid, I know Zelda has been pirated (I've seen a GB Zelda game with OOT boxart and screen shots), but they don't sell very well. The Chinese simply don't give a damn about good gameplay. Nintendo destroys piracy, so even though the games are pirated, it's hard to get it into people's hands. Outside of Mario, Nintendo has no big name killer-app for the Chinese market. Admittingly, I haven't been back to China for 6 years now, so perhaps the I-Que managed to gain some tiny bit of popularity there. Or maybe not.
Post by: 18 Days on May 07, 2006, 09:12:46 AM
Post by: Kairon on May 07, 2006, 09:21:56 AM
LOL, this is an entertaining train of thought.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: mantidor on May 07, 2006, 09:59:10 AM
Post by: AnyoneEB on May 07, 2006, 10:55:38 AM
Post by: ruby_onix on May 07, 2006, 05:01:15 PM
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oh yeah I was sure you knew about piracy in China, I was confirming that for some odd reason, in the early days of piracy with the Famicom/NES, Zelda and Metroid were almost never pirated and thus became unknown in the region ("That guy is a woman!?", I get that a lot around here when playing metroid, even among what we could call traditional gamers). Im sure that being Zelda the first cartridge with a battery backup made things difficult for pirates, but I have no idea why Metroid was also left behind.
Metroid and Zelda were Famicom Disk System games, not Famicom games. That's probably where the disconnect comes from.
Since FDS games were writable, they often had save features, but the FDS didn't come out in America, so they had to work their way around it. That's why Metroid had such a huge and complicated password system (the Justin Bailey password apparently didn't exist in the original FDS version, because it didn't have passwords). The battery backup was invented for the American version of Zelda 1.
But I was under the imnpression that the Famicom Disk System was bootlegged to all heck. Because all you had to do was put together some custom disks, and then you could easily write whatever game you wanted onto them.
And the HK guys didn't even stop there. They bootlegged the American NES versions (as Famicom carts). I've got a couple of those. And I don't have one, but I've heard that there's even an HK version of Metroid for the Famicom out there, where they took the original FDS version and put it onto a battery backup Famicom cart, and it's supposed to be better than either the NES or FDS versions.
Here's a pic of some cool FDS bootlegs, for your enjoyment.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9330/fdsgames5px.jpg
Notice how none of the disks actually have "Nintendo" stamped into them, and how Mario 3 says it's supposed to be played in a Game Doctor.
Post by: mantidor on May 07, 2006, 06:29:27 PM
Post by: UncleBob on May 08, 2006, 09:12:01 AM
It was odd seeing Mario next to Ronald McDonald.
Post by: wandering on May 08, 2006, 11:21:06 PM
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Here's a good question for ya.
How will piracy and the Virtual Console play together in a market such as China?
The virtual console, I think, would be key to success in china. I'm thinking downloadable cheap new Wii games/old classic games is all Nintendo would be interested in selling over there. I'm sure people will find a way to pirate virtual console games, but they should be cheap enough that it won't matter as much.
