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Title: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: lastexit on April 30, 2006, 10:50:42 PM
The most significant thing about the name "Wii" is that it has TWO "I's"

Two Eyes

Stereoscopic 3D is accomplished by pushing images to both eyes and allowing them to naturally combine them.

discuss...
Title: RE:A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: IceCold on April 30, 2006, 11:03:12 PM
What do you call a deer without an eye?

No-eye-deer!

Hahaha..
Title: RE:A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 01, 2006, 12:07:13 AM
Interesting theory, if that does happen (I am not to up on what this imaging trick looks like) then that would go even farther to explain the use of "Wii". We will see though, only 8 more days!
Title: RE: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: UncleBob on May 01, 2006, 12:13:32 AM
I doubt it, but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FQHrskQBMY
Title: RE: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: UncleBob on May 01, 2006, 12:36:18 AM
http://nintendo-revolution.blogspot.com/2005/06/3d-after-all.html
Title: RE:A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 01, 2006, 02:16:58 AM
Probably too expensive to implement in the Wii, but the WiiTwo could have it.
Title: RE: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: 18 Days on May 01, 2006, 03:23:43 AM
W is said DOUBLE YOU.
YOU AND YOU
DOUBLE YOU AND DOUBLE I
YOU AND I
WE!
=0
Title: RE: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: Pale on May 01, 2006, 06:06:24 AM
Stereoscopic 3D does not work for all people and requires a special TV...

So... NO!

It doesn't add anything to the experience either... except maybe a head ache.
Title: RE:A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 01, 2006, 06:26:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale It doesn't add anything to the experience either... except maybe a head ache.


...Which can be used as an excuse to not have sex with a frustrated boyfriend/husband!

Finally, Nintendo's bid for the female gamer market, revealed!
Title: RE: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: KDR_11k on May 01, 2006, 07:53:55 AM
'k, now I want to smack you. I always get this urge to smack people when they suggest that the Wii will include some form of 3d display.
Title: RE: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: ThePerm on May 01, 2006, 07:59:07 AM
sterioscopic 3d doesnt work for me...when I use a microscope...my mind doesnt put the images together...i see two images seperately and it gives me a headache.  
Title: RE: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: trip1eX on May 01, 2006, 10:26:09 AM
I can't see them making everyone wear glasses.  I could see it as an option tho and not a mandatory feature.  Games would play fine without.  Put on some glasses and lasers coming at you in Metroid Prime would really come at you.
Title: RE:A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: lastexit on May 01, 2006, 03:30:27 PM
stereoscopic 3D does not use glasses.  The trick is there is a focal point, usually a dot, set behind the image if possible.  You focus on the dot and your eyes adjust for that distance and relax.  You don't have to "do" anything.

It is how you see naturally, ever wonder how two eyes make one image?  Nobody can say "stereoscopic 3D doesn't work for me" and be able to see with depth perception in real life.
Title: RE:A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: Michael8983 on May 01, 2006, 03:42:40 PM
The promo video for Wii showed the i's playing a game of table tennis.
Seems like just the type of thing that would be perfect for stereoscopic 3D.
That way instead of the Wii-mote being used to control a paddle on screen, it IS the paddle.
Title: RE: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: AnyoneEB on May 01, 2006, 03:52:08 PM
lastexit: ThePerm probably, like me and many glasses-wearing people I know, has no (or very limited) depth perception. I know if I really concentrate and try to focus, I can look through both of my eyes, but otherwise I only use one of them.
Title: RE: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: Pale on May 01, 2006, 04:17:14 PM
LastExit, what you just described is MagicEyes, which is different than what I think a lot of people here are describing.  There is tech that places a reflecting thing over a screen, sending the right image to each eyes...
Title: RE: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: Artimus on May 01, 2006, 05:26:16 PM
Worst. Logic. Ever.
Title: RE: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: Ceric on May 01, 2006, 05:27:51 PM
In response to the video of the amazing 3D tables.  I could see that at arcades and social venues but even if it's cheap enough I don't see it making it into a home and heres why.  TV's take Vertical space not horizontal space.  People tend to have  8 foot ceilings and that space from floor to ceiling is really wasted so no one misses it when a TV uses the space.  Hence why people will sacrifice video quality for a flat screen TV.  Fixed depth.  A 2D tv screen can give you the impression of seeing for miles.  A table will always be the same size.  It just can't give you that sort of image.  Which is ok for gaming because it's offset by the abitility to walk around and see everything.

So this would definitely be an arcade technology.  Maybe even inspire games akin to Angelic Layer.  It would also be a good corporate technology as well.  Just not a mainstream home technology.
Title: RE: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 01, 2006, 05:50:17 PM
I could say something, but I'm under NDAs you guys, sorry.
Title: RE: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: RiskyChris on May 01, 2006, 06:05:12 PM
Wii?  Prounced We.  E?  E for eat.  The wiimote is edible.
Title: RE: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 01, 2006, 06:11:23 PM
USELESS TECH GET
Title: RE:A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: Artimus on May 01, 2006, 06:26:07 PM
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
I could say something, but I'm under NDAs you guys, sorry.


Me too, but rest assured this thread still has the worst logic ever.
Title: RE:A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 01, 2006, 06:56:38 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
In response to the video of the amazing 3D tables.  I could see that at arcades and social venues but even if it's cheap enough I don't see it making it into a home and heres why.  TV's take Vertical space not horizontal space.  People tend to have  8 foot ceilings and that space from floor to ceiling is really wasted so no one misses it when a TV uses the space.  Hence why people will sacrifice video quality for a flat screen TV.  Fixed depth.  A 2D tv screen can give you the impression of seeing for miles.  A table will always be the same size.  It just can't give you that sort of image.  Which is ok for gaming because it's offset by the abitility to walk around and see everything.

So this would definitely be an arcade technology.  Maybe even inspire games akin to Angelic Layer.  It would also be a good corporate technology as well.  Just not a mainstream home technology.
I'm not sure which video you were watching but I son't think the video above had 3-D tables. If its the same video that we've seen on the internet b4 it uses 3 eye-toy like cameras and maniputes computer images in real time to display on the tv screen.

I'm sure there was a thread about his video a loooooong time ago, I'll try and find it.

p.s. I didn't not watch the video that was linked in this thread, cause I'm pretty sure it the same one from b4 rebranded as something Nintendo related.
Title: RE: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: wandering on May 01, 2006, 07:16:45 PM
Okay, so we have a)unique online b)unique force feedback and now c)mutli-dimensional awesomeness.

Sounds good.
Title: RE: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: Ceric on May 02, 2006, 05:02:29 AM
Ok Technically they used Mirrors but they make no sense unless it has a table or some other flat non-cluttered surface to go with them.
Title: RE:A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: KDR_11k on May 02, 2006, 06:32:25 AM
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Originally posted by: lastexit
It is how you see naturally, ever wonder how two eyes make one image?  Nobody can say "stereoscopic 3D doesn't work for me" and be able to see with depth perception in real life.


Well, guess what I don't have? Hint: I'm not fit to aim a rifle.
Title: RE: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: Zach on May 02, 2006, 06:39:58 AM
KDR has a really good point.  It may be a bad idea for nintendo to alienate the part of their userbase who, like KDR, does not have depth perception.  It would only be a small percentage of the audience.  3D would make a good feature, but its probably not something that games should rely on in the future.
Title: RE: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: mantidor on May 02, 2006, 08:28:05 AM
"It would only be a small percentage of the audience"

Is that true? I think is quite the opposite, most people have perception depth. It really depends how well is implemented, if in the future virtual reality gets implemented extremely well, they will use it even if theres a minority that cant aprecciate it, because the rest will be thrilled. Minorities always get screwed ( I should know, Im left handed).

Title: RE: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: KDR_11k on May 02, 2006, 10:07:29 AM
The problem is that this fake depth causes eyestrain (especially because it screws up the eye's focus distance calculations) without giving any benefit. This is like adding a bloom shader to a game, it's cool for five minutes, then your eyes start hurting.
Title: RE:A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 02, 2006, 10:31:00 AM
What would the image look like if a person had no perception depth? Reason why I ask is that maybe it is possible that all this feature would do is add one more visual treat to the system, but won't detract from those that can still see basic video game 3D. I have to agree with KDR though, in that if it indeed gives you a headache then it should not be used. I'll stick with my VB in that case .
Title: RE: A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: wandering on May 02, 2006, 07:42:58 PM
3d visuals can be optional. Like 3d sound is today. Rogue Leader is much better with surround sound, but you don't actually need to identify where enemies are coming from by sound alone to win the game.
Title: RE:A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: Knoxxville on May 02, 2006, 08:00:16 PM
That 3D object video was WAY cool.....was that for real?
Title: RE:A note about 3D and "Wii"
Post by: wandering on May 09, 2006, 11:10:41 PM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
I could say something, but I'm under NDAs you guys, sorry.


Me too, but rest assured this thread still has the worst logic ever.

So. Can you guys say something now?