Post by: HockeyDude on February 28, 2003, 09:12:35 AM
Splinter Cell wins Console Game of the Year, over 2 Nintendo games, noth of which were nominated for OVERALL Game of the Year?! Who can actually let that happen? Metroid Prime especially. MP is one of the great modern classics, and it gets beaten by......a stealth game? MP creates the FPA genre, and it gets beat by......a stealth game? Oh but SC has coll lighting effects? Woopdiedoo! Thats doesnt take away from the awful frame-rate, non-existant AI (there no excuse in this day to have guard that repeat the same phrases over and over, and wakl right into the line of fire constantly) Splinter Cell is good, but what really irks me about this is how they are saying that its a better game than Metroid Prime. It's pathetic. The AIAS has lost ALL credibility.
Post by: PaLaDiN on February 28, 2003, 09:16:45 AM
Maybe they really like Microsoft... If I remember right, Halo won last year too.
Post by: Mingesium on February 28, 2003, 09:23:13 AM
I don't get how a game can get a record 10 nominations and only win one award.
The good thing about this year is that Animal Crossing got the recognization it deserves.
Post by: VideoGamerJ on February 28, 2003, 09:23:30 AM
Post by: CijaroDSK on February 28, 2003, 09:43:31 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on February 28, 2003, 09:46:49 AM
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Zelda will win next year.
Don't hold your breath. I predict Halo 2 will win the AIAS awards. At least then I can be sure money hats are involved.
Post by: Dolphin64X on February 28, 2003, 09:50:07 AM
SSX won game of the year in 2000? That means it won over Majora's Mask.... That means it won over Zelda.... Over Zelda!
I suppose they are pretty, well, stupid.
Post by: Mingesium on February 28, 2003, 09:58:26 AM
Console Game of the Year 2000 Nominees
Banjo Tooie (N64)
Chrono Cross (PS1)
Final Fantasy IX (PS1)
Jet Grind Radio (DC)
Madden NFL 2001 (PS2)
Rayman 2: The Great Escape (DC)
Shenmue (DC)
Skies of Arcadia (DC)
Spyro: Year of the Dragon (PS1)
SSX (PS2)
Tekken Tag Tournament (PS2)
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (PS1)
Virtua Tennis (DC)
WWF No Mercy (N64)
Zelda: Majora's Mask (N64)
Post by: sonic on February 28, 2003, 10:11:15 AM
Post by: slide24 on February 28, 2003, 10:18:17 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 28, 2003, 10:21:27 AM
"Maybe they really like Microsoft"
Don't you mean Microsoft's MONEY.
Just kidding- remember guys, we ARE getting Splinter Cell soon with updates.
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 28, 2003, 11:27:36 AM
Post by: MH-001 on February 28, 2003, 12:10:17 PM
Post by: Gamer Donkey on February 28, 2003, 01:24:09 PM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on February 28, 2003, 01:37:21 PM
however, i found Metroid Prime to be a much better title, with a better atmosphere and an epic feel. in my mind, Metroid Prime is the game of the year
Post by: TheCouch123 on February 28, 2003, 01:48:57 PM
Post by: Gamer Donkey on February 28, 2003, 02:10:15 PM
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Following is a list of all winners that have appeared or will soon appear on GameCube or GBA.
Sorry if that came out jerkish, it wasn't meant to.
Post by: theasylumofthedamned on February 28, 2003, 06:42:15 PM
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Actually Splinter Cell is not on the GC yet so it won the award for the Xbox version.
Splinter Cell is Splinter Cell, so who cares what console it's on? IT's not like Microsoft owns it or anything.
Uh oh, better not give Gates any ideas....
Post by: Gamer Donkey on February 28, 2003, 06:50:17 PM
*Not to imply the judges are crooked.
Post by: Nephilim on February 28, 2003, 08:23:50 PM
not popularity
and the judges are people in high places in the gaming industry
and not stupid
Majora's mask shouldnt of won and It didnt
just like FFX shouldnt of won and it didnt
there is more to the game then just grabbing a already made engine and tweaking it a bit
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on February 28, 2003, 11:23:02 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on March 01, 2003, 01:33:11 AM
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Oh but SC has coll lighting effects? Woopdiedoo! Thats doesnt take away from the awful frame-rate, non-existant AI (there no excuse in this day to have guard that repeat the same phrases over and over, and wakl right into the line of fire constantly) Splinter Cell is good, but what really irks me about this is how they are saying that its a better game than Metroid Prime. It's pathetic. The AIAS has lost ALL credibility.
*sigh*
They've lost all credibility because you don't agree with them? That makes no sense, at all.
Also, Splinter Cell introduced a whole new level of interactive environments. Shooting holes in fish tanks, watching the glass crack at all the right spots, watching them grow larger and larger until it burst, spraying water all over the carpet, soaking INTO the carpet to create a mushy sound when you tred on it, this game had great attention to detail.. I'm not saying it should have won for this reason, but it's got alot more than meets the eye (cue Transformers theme)
Anyway, if it were up to me, Eternal Darkness or Sly Cooper would have won game of the year. See, everybody has different opinions..
Post by: Byron on March 01, 2003, 02:23:58 AM
The Academy's Board of Directors is composed of the following industry leaders:
Don James, Nintendo of America,
Chair Ted Price, Insomniac Games,
Vice Chair John Sutyak, Infogrames,
Secretary Yves Blehaut, Infogrames
Rick Giolito, Electronic Arts
Lorne Lanning, Oddworld Inhabitants
Douglas Lowenstein, IDSA
Laird Malamed, Activision
Stuart Moulder, Microsoft
Ray Muzyka, Bioware Corp.
Paul Provenzano, Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences
Mike Ryder, Sierra Entertainment
Jesse Schell, Walt Disney Imagineering
Bruce Shelley, Ensemble Studios
Shuhei Yoshida, Sony Computer Entertainment of America
Notice how most of these companies back Microsoft and have made deals to make games only for the XBox like Oddworld Inhabitants,Infogrames,Bioware corp and Ensemble Studios which is OWNED by Microsoft.
Basically Microsoft had 4 companies that make games only for XBox including Microsoft which is a judge too which is 5 judges on its side While Nintendo has none of its 2nd party as a judge or any allies like Capcom. So Nintendo only had 1.
While others like Sierra are hardcore PC gamers so they are more attracted to games like Splinter Cell and Activision has dissed Nintendo is the past and wants to leave the Gamecube.
So right there Microsoft already has 7 judges on their side. While Nintendo and Sony have none.
Microsoft automatically has 7 out of the 15 votes. No wonder a game like Splinter Cell which has gotten mediocre reviews compared to Metroid Prime won.
I guess money can buy you success. lol
Post by: Dolphin64X on March 01, 2003, 02:33:37 AM
That's what they call innovation, kids.
And Mario Sunshine was shut out! What gives? I love platforming games, and Mario Sunshine was truly the epitome of the genre. The simple pleasure of Mario's jumping made everything a joy; the difficulty was perhaps the best thing-never have I been so challenged by a 3D platform game, nor so happy because of it.
It should have won platform game of the year.
So there.
Post by: oohhboy on March 01, 2003, 02:40:29 AM
But yes I must say that Splinter Cell winning Console Game of the Year is somewhat questionable...
Post by: thecubedcanuck on March 01, 2003, 04:43:06 AM
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Don't hold your breath. I predict Halo 2 will win the AIAS awards. At least then I can be sure money hats are involved.
What a biased fool you are. How do you know that HAlo 2 wont be better than Zelda? Have you played them both? You call the judges biased and yet you have made up YOUR mind without playing either game. Too funny.
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Notice how most of these companies back Microsoft and have made deals to make games only for the XBox like Oddworld Inhabitants,Infogrames,Bioware corp and Ensemble Studios which is OWNED by Microsoft.
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Basically Microsoft had 4 companies that make games only for XBox including Microsoft which is a judge too which is 5 judges on its side While Nintendo has none of its 2nd party as a judge or any allies like Capcom. So Nintendo only had 1.
Grow up. Can you be a little more faniacle you raging fan boy conspiracy dreaming up fool.
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But yes I must say that Splinter Cell winning Console Game of the Year is somewhat questionable..
care to back that up with some reasoning?
It sold better than prime, it got great reviews as did prime, and it is a GREAT game. IMO it is just as deserving as prime for GOTY, but only one can win and I dont see it as a bad choice.
Have you even played it? If not how can you make such a decision?
Post by: Sleepyfoo on March 01, 2003, 05:54:59 AM
Post by: Mingesium on March 01, 2003, 07:44:22 AM
The only problems that I have with this year was Splinter Cell won, but wasn't nominated for Overall Game of the Year and Metroid Prime was nominated 10 times and came away with only 1 award. They should not nominate any game for Overall just use the Console and Computer Game of the Year list. I think Splinter Cell had a chance to win Overall GOTY. Maybe next year. I think that Metroid should have won a couple more.
Overall, AIAS has done a good job. They recognize great games like Animal Crossing and Sly Cooper.
Post by: Gamer Donkey on March 01, 2003, 01:45:51 PM
It says: Splinter Cell "9.6 highest score ever!"
-Official Xbox Magazine
Sorry, just thought that was humorous.
Post by: sonic on March 02, 2003, 05:23:12 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 02, 2003, 07:24:27 AM
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What a biased fool you are. How do you know that HAlo 2 wont be better than Zelda? Have you played them both? You call the judges biased and yet you have made up YOUR mind without playing either game. Too funny.
My mistake. I meant, watch them give Halo 2 GOTY even if it gets disappointing scores across the board. THEN I'll be sure.
Oh, and before you put your foot in your mouth... I played Splinter Cell on my PC. Don't bother playing the jealousy card.
Post by: AceRazer on March 02, 2003, 07:41:38 AM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on March 02, 2003, 08:31:46 AM
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Oh, and before you put your foot in your mouth... I played Splinter Cell on my PC. Don't bother playing the jealousy card.
the jealousy card? Like I could care less what games you play or dont play.
Is splinter cell even out for PC, is it the same version as the console game? Just wondering on that one.
As for the GOTY award, it could have gone either way, you are just bitter because it went the OTHER way.
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 02, 2003, 09:05:20 AM
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the jealousy card? Like I could care less what games you play or dont play.
Is splinter cell even out for PC, is it the same version as the console game? Just wondering on that one.
As for the GOTY award, it could have gone either way, you are just bitter because it went the OTHER way.
I warned you about putting your foot in your mouth.
In case you didn't get it, "don't play the jealousy card" means don't bother saying I'm jealous, because I'm not. I can play it on PC whenever I want. No, it's not the same version, it's an upgraded port. Might also interest you to know both the GC and PS2 are getting Splinter Cell too, if you didn't already.
No, I'm not bitter it went the OTHER way, because it's an okay game. I'm just suspicious that Microsoft won for the second year in a row over games that were generally more critically acclaimed. My suspicions were heightened when I looked at the panel of judges. Look at them first, then call me paranoid or bitter.
Now to turn the tables. Why are you defending them so vigorously? Seems you're bitter about Animal Crossing.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on March 02, 2003, 09:23:22 AM
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In case you didn't get it, "don't play the jealousy card" means don't bother saying I'm jealous, because I'm not. I can play it on PC whenever I want. No, it's not the same version, it's an upgraded port. Might also interest you to know both the GC and PS2 are getting Splinter Cell too, if you didn't already.
I have all 3 systems, and yes I know it is coming for all 3. As for playing it on PC, no interest to me at all. I hate playing games on a PC.
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No, I'm not bitter it went the OTHER way, because it's an okay game. I'm just suspicious that Microsoft won for the second year in a row over games that were generally more critically acclaimed. My suspicions were heightened when I looked at the panel of judges. Look at them first, then call me paranoid or bitter.
Yes I saw the panel, and I still think it is propaganda. Splintercell is a GREAT game, it is just as deserving as Prime, why is that so hard to believe?
Also HALO was hands down the best game of last year.
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Now to turn the tables. Why are you defending them so vigorously? Seems you're bitter about Animal Crossing. [/
As fro Animal crossing, I am glad it won, I think it DESERVED it. I am not defending anyone, I just think all this paranoid fanboyism that goes on here is pathetic. So metroid didnt win, big F'in deal. Do you still like it as much? If so, who cares.
Post by: Byron on March 02, 2003, 09:26:13 AM
Fact is if Metroid Prime had the slogan "Protecting American Freedoms" and called the space pirates "Terrorists" then it would have won.
How is the AIAS official when most of the judges are American and Japan is a big part of the gaming community and 2 out of the 3 consoles are Japanese?
Plus 4 of the judges are from companies are that are Microsoft 2nd party and 3 of them work closely with Microsoft. 7/15 judges are Microsoft allies.
I think Silicon Knights and Retro should have been on the judge list since Microsoft got their 2nd party on it too, so should Capcom since it is a Nintendo ally. They should have evened it out.
This is like the O.J trial where O.J won because of the jury selection.
I guess you can buy sucess after all.
Post by: Agent on March 02, 2003, 11:44:59 AM
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Yes I saw the panel, and I still think it is propaganda. Splintercell is a GREAT game, it is just as deserving as Prime, why is that so hard to believe?
Look at the name of the forum. You answered you own question. Of course people are going to read too much into it, and make assumptions, so that they can feel better about themselves, whether they want to believe thats what there doing it or not.
p.s. byron see this link:
http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=181527
Post by: Ymeegod on March 02, 2003, 01:43:50 PM
The board of directors run the show, and nintendo's man the the freaking chairman for crying out loud (IE president).
And no they are not the judges, developers can summit this opinions (follow the rules on AIAS Website for information.
"Since its inception in 1996, the Academy of Interactive Arts and Sciences has relied on the leadership and direction of its board of directors. These men and women, all leaders of the interactive software industry, have volunteered their time and resources to help the Academy advance its mission of promoting awareness of the art and science of interactive games and entertainment. Each director has lent his or her talent and prestige to the common concerns of the interactive entertainment industry.
The Academy's Board of Directors is composed of the following industry leaders:
Don James, Nintendo of America, Chair (Like I said, top dog)
Ted Price, Insomniac Games, Vice Chair
John Sutyak, Infogrames, Secretary
Yves Blehaut, Infogrames
Rick Giolito, Electronic Arts
Lorne Lanning, Oddworld Inhabitants
Douglas Lowenstein, IDSA
Laird Malamed, Activision
Stuart Moulder, Microsoft
Ray Muzyka, Bioware Corp.
Paul Provenzano, Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences
Mike Ryder, Sierra Entertainment
Jesse Schell, Walt Disney Imagineering
Bruce Shelley, Ensemble Studios
Shuhei Yoshida, Sony Computer Entertainment of America "
Voting Procedures
Which means there's 100's if not 1000's that can cast votes, it's a developers award show after all :0.
Comparing one review site like GS really doesn't mean much in the majority don't feel the same way, take it's review of SMS for example, it recieved a mere 8 which is quite a bit lower than most.
*Shinning the light* back in the eyes of the blind
.Post by: manunited4eva22 on March 02, 2003, 02:49:30 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on March 02, 2003, 03:14:02 PM
I agree with you completely that we shouldn't assume that the judges are biased. BUT, games like Halo 2 are kind of assumed to be good, and they get a lot of press. I'm not saying MS pays off the judges, but they might be blinded by the hype. When Halo 2 coems out, even if the game IS pretty bad, I *severely* doubt you'll hear anyone say as much. They're so jaded by the hype that they just assumed it's good. One interesting aspect I've grown as a Nintendo fan is the ability to spot out the occasional wrong thing- even thoguh I lvoed SMS, I thought it could have been MUCH better if Nintendo had tried a little harder. I doubt a lot of MS fans will spot any faults in Halo 2 just because they've already come to the conclusion that it WILL be good.
Post by: Agent on March 02, 2003, 04:50:46 PM
Post by: CrYpTiC on March 02, 2003, 05:03:28 PM
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Fact is if Metroid Prime had the slogan "Protecting American Freedoms" and called the space pirates "Terrorists" then it would have won.
You are an idiot.
Most of the people responding to this thread are saying "Why didnt MP win? Its the best game this is stupid" In your opinion its the best game. I can almost guarentee most of the people that said MP was better then Splinter Cell haven't even played it. Stop complaining because Prime didnt win, its not going to help. Just move on. Now back to my flaming..
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This is like the O.J trial where O.J won because of the jury selection.
Idiot statement number 2.
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How is the AIAS official when most of the judges are American and Japan is a big part of the gaming community and 2 out of the 3 consoles are Japanese?
Idiot statement number 3 (this guy is on a roll)
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I think Silicon Knights and Retro should have been on the judge list since Microsoft got their 2nd party on it too, so should Capcom since it is a Nintendo ally. They should have evened it out.
Idiot Statement Number 4, seriously think out your posts. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Post by: DrForester on March 02, 2003, 06:07:25 PM
SSX should not have won Console GOTY in 2000....It did
Splinter Cell should not have won Console GOTY in 2002...it did
Halo should not have won GOTY in 2001...It did
the AIAS has proven in the past few years that quality of the games do not really matter. Size fo the check from some company does.
Post by: SilverBack1138 on March 02, 2003, 08:24:20 PM
Post by: Razex on March 02, 2003, 08:25:12 PM
And he didn't like Ocarina of Time either.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on March 03, 2003, 01:18:48 AM
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Halo should not have won GOTY in 2001...It did
You idiot. It deserved it hands down.
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 03, 2003, 01:45:47 AM
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Splintercell is a GREAT game, it is just as deserving as Prime, why is that so hard to believe?
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You idiot. (Halo) deserved it hands down.
Seem a little bit... uh... contradictory? If you're gonna brush away our opinions, then don't expect us to listen to yours. I hate hypocrites like you.
Who says Halo deserved it more than GTA3? Other than you and AIAS?
If you're gonna say Halo deserved it more than GTA3... then I'm gonna say Metroid deserved it more than Splinter Cell. Have you even played Metroid? Those two games are not in the same league. I play Splinter Cell to show off my Radeon. I play Metroid to have fun.
So, what's it gonna be? Because you lose either way.
Post by: Ymeegod on March 03, 2003, 02:39:30 AM
Have you seen the scores for MP in Japan, it recieved 33/40, 8/10, ect. Japanese gamers don't give a SH!T about freaking Metroid Prime, never did. That's why nintendo stopped developing the game years ago.
Vrs SC which is close to the genre as MGS which gets plantium scores in japan (37+).
If you asked Japanese gamers, they would have chosen RE over MP. Freaking RE O recieved a 39/40 as well as the Remake.
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So far there's been a few GOTY's awards, GDC (game developer choice) is next week, and there really isn't a clear winner. Vice City has taken two-- one was from Game Informer I believe.
No two opinions are alike :0.
Post by: Uncle Ed on March 03, 2003, 04:18:40 AM
They're suckups to Microsoft?
If you checked, Nintendo got 8 awards. 7 for Gamecube. While Microsoft got ZIPPO, NONE, ZERO. Splinter Cell is unexclusive, I have the PC Demo on my Computer right now.
And No, Halo didn't deserve any awards. It's level design was complete crap. But Splinter Cell did deserve the award, that game was badass in every degree. Makes me remember why I got the X-Box. Why would Microsoft cheat to get this award? The game is not even exclusive. Hell, it didn't even have the "Only For X-Box" Symbol on it.
And Battlefield 1942's award, I couldn't agree more.
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 03, 2003, 05:19:49 AM
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Hell, it didn't even have the "Only For X-Box" Symbol on it.
Huh? I thought it did... at least the box I saw did.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on March 03, 2003, 07:06:43 AM
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Seem a little bit... uh... contradictory? If you're gonna brush away our opinions, then don't expect us to listen to yours. I hate hypocrites like you.
I am not brushing away your opinion. I am brushing away your blatent fanboyism.
Why didnt Metroid win? Hmmmm. I believe there was a thread with 30 pages worth of people bitching about the game freezing, could this be just 1 of the reasons?
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Who says Halo deserved it more than GTA3? Other than you and AIAS?
GTA3 wasnt even nominated for some reason if I remember correctly. IMO It was as goood as HALO, and IMO is more fun to play than Prime.
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Have you even played Metroid? Those two games are not in the same league. I play Splinter Cell to show off my Radeon. I play Metroid to have fun.
I have owned Metroid since the day it came out and I do like it. I find scanning every thing to be very redundant however other that I did enjoy it, I just enjoyed Splinter cell much more, I also found GTA vice city to be more fun as well.
Post by: Ymeegod on March 03, 2003, 07:28:22 AM
Think this about raps it up as well, except for that whole AC as a RPG but I don't think we are going need a whole another page for that.
What would you classify AC as? I always thought of it as more of a simulation (life) but it really doesn't belong there either.
They should make a genre a lable it as other
.Post by: PaLaDiN on March 03, 2003, 07:28:44 AM
But THIS:
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I am not brushing away your opinion. I am brushing away your blatent fanboyism.
Why didnt Metroid win? Hmmmm. I believe there was a thread with 30 pages worth of people bitching about the game freezing, could this be just 1 of the reasons?
I'm sorry, that's just retarded. How about I act like a retard like you are and tell you SC is IN NO WAY better than Metroid Prime, that's just your blatant fanboyism talking, and AIAS was paid off. Because I haven't stooped that low yet... I could follow you there if you want.
Come back when you learn you are not God. Your opinion is not law.
And I find it funny that you praise GTA3 and mention Metroid's crash bug as a fatal flaw in the same post. I hope you're not completely oblivious to the irony of that.
Post by: Ymeegod on March 03, 2003, 07:39:20 AM
He's simply stating his opinions about what he felt and you're trying to make him sound biased? Coming for a guy who stated how average SC was? You don't see him jumping down your throat for difference of opinions.
He simply stated that both are great games and why the voters could have chosen either one.
And he did all that without calling you a name
.Post by: RahXephon on March 03, 2003, 07:40:27 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 03, 2003, 08:09:11 AM
I was the one who said, "You idiot. (Halo) deserved it hands down." right after dismissing everyone else's opinion. (<-- sarcasm)
Sorry if I'm being all pissy. I didn't really mind, I let him have his opinion until he acted like a hypocrite. That's the last time I mention this argument, just so it doesn't escalate any more than it already has. Wouldn't want him choking on that foot.
Somebody lock this thread, thanks to me and cubedcanuck, all it is now is a childish playground squabble.
Just for fun though, go back over this thread. See who called who "a biased fool" first, see who denied the other an opinion first, then went on to declare his own.
I rest my case.
