Post by: Nick DiMola on April 28, 2006, 12:52:29 PM
It appears some analysts think that the whole Wii title announcement is a type of viral marketing because Wii has not been patented in the US, Europe or Japan. All I have to say is interesting but highyl unlikely, worth a read though.
Post by: RickPowers on April 28, 2006, 01:39:55 PM
That said, it's wishful thinking. You don't NEED a trademark to use a name, in a legal sense. Not to mention that the "evidence" presented only amounts to it not being trademarked, and people in the marketing world simply thinking it was a bad choice. It's meaningless.
A lot like Wii.
Post by: Kairon on April 28, 2006, 03:18:00 PM
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Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on April 28, 2006, 03:29:25 PM
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debunked.
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...Please let him be lying...
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 28, 2006, 03:48:40 PM
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Post by: Requiem of Darcness on April 28, 2006, 04:44:06 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Haters = owned... =D
You can keep thinking that, but when the "haters" are spending their hard earned dollars on the 360 and PS3, Nintendo = owned.
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 28, 2006, 05:02:28 PM
Your prediction for the future gaming market based on such limited information is amazing! Can you tell me when the Dow's going to be doing in the next few weeks, too? ARE YOU THAT GOOD
Post by: Jin-X on April 28, 2006, 05:10:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
"You can keep thinking that, but when the "haters" are spending their hard earned dollars on the 360 and PS3, Nintendo = owned."
Your prediction for the future gaming market based on such limited information is amazing! Can you tell me when the Dow's going to be doing in the next few weeks, too? ARE YOU THAT GOOD
Predicting that the name and the image it creates will hinder sales in NA isn't very hard to figure out.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 28, 2006, 05:11:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
"You can keep thinking that, but when the "haters" are spending their hard earned dollars on the 360 and PS3, Nintendo = owned."
Your prediction for the future gaming market based on such limited information is amazing! Can you tell me when the Dow's going to be doing in the next few weeks, too? ARE YOU THAT GOOD
I'm sorry, but the pro Wii followers also have the chance to be wrong with their views and beliefs.
NO ONE, especially the haters nor the pro Wii people, can predict Nintendo's future, especially with limited information.
True, a lot of people predicted that the DS was going to be the next Virtual Boy because the idea was so insane and the initial games were so weak the PSP had a better chance at attracting gamers, because it was a "true" gaming machine. But lo and behold, the DS is a hit around the world and it's a phenomenon in Japan.
The same may happen with the Wii. The market can be unpredictable sometimes. Just when you think something will happen, the opposite happens instead. The haters may think that the Wii will fail because of the name, but the opposite may happen.
However, that doesn't mean there is the chance that the Wii can fail.
After all the Dreamcast seemed to have a very bright future ahead of it...
- Great games
- Third party support
- It redeemed the Sega name for a while
- Some really unique games
- New franchises
- A good online service
- An excellent ad campaign
- And a lot of sales in the first months
Now look where it is...
So yeah, Nintendo's odds are 50/50 on this one.
Post by: Jin-X on April 28, 2006, 05:22:59 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
"You can keep thinking that, but when the "haters" are spending their hard earned dollars on the 360 and PS3, Nintendo = owned."
Your prediction for the future gaming market based on such limited information is amazing! Can you tell me when the Dow's going to be doing in the next few weeks, too? ARE YOU THAT GOOD
After all the Dreamcast seemed to have a very bright future ahead of it...
- Great games
- Third party support
- It redeemed the Sega name for a while
- Some really unique games
- New franchises
- A good online service
- An excellent ad campaign
- And a lot of sales in the first months
Now look where it is...
So yeah, Nintendo's odds are 50/50 on this one.
The prob with the Dreamcast was really simple, EA dissed them and when the #1 publisher doesn't make any games for you, you are screwed (I hate EA, but that doesn't stop the fact that they are the #1 publisher sales wise). And #2, the PS2 hype machine.
Post by: The Omen on April 28, 2006, 05:24:16 PM
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Haters = owned... =D
Can you be any more annoying? You didn't come up with the name, so stop acting as if it's a personal attack upon you when someone says they don't like it.
Post by: Dasmos on April 28, 2006, 05:26:22 PM
Are you all going to predict its downfall on a name? The Internet is a stupid, stupid place.
Post by: Nick DiMola on April 28, 2006, 05:41:54 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 28, 2006, 05:48:20 PM
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Originally posted by: Dasmos
Seriously, have any of you played the Wii, held the controller in your hand or even know all the secrets Nintendo is yet to discolse? No.
Are you all going to predict its downfall on a name? The Internet is a stupid, stupid place.
Well, guess what? You haven't either...True, the word is VERY good on the Wii controller, but we don't know about the other games and if the idea truly works.
Also, can you predict it's success based on just faith and belief of Nintendo? None of us can.
I'm sorry, neither the haters or the Wii lovers can't predict how the Nintendo Wii will do. Like I mentioned already, the markeplace can be a very weird thing as just when you think something will happen, the opposite happens instead.
But Nintendo will not be a success either just because you have faith in them. This is Nintendo's battle, not ours. All we can do is sit on the sidelines and wait for the results...
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 28, 2006, 05:53:08 PM
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Originally posted by: The OmenQuote
Haters = owned... =D
Can you be any more annoying? You didn't come up with the name, so stop acting as if it's a personal attack upon you when someone says they don't like it.
I'm having a great time watching people get into a huge piss over a NAME, then watching as their little conspiracy hopes are shattered, and then watching them have an even greater whine...
(Ahaha, personal attack, I don't think so...)
(Edit: I wonder how many enemies I've (and other Wii advocates such as Deg and Hostile Creation) unjustly made because of me mocking the whole "urine" argument and this whole tirade in general...It's pretty sad, really, considering I hold nothing personal against any PGC member...A NAME is tearing this community apart, and it's not the name's fault...)
Post by: Dasmos on April 28, 2006, 05:59:37 PM
QuoteThe thing is if it's bad, it's bad. I am not going to defend Nintendo do the death if I don't like what I see, but I won't write Nintendo entirely out the whole game industry over a name. Nobody has seen anything, nobody has demoed anything from Wii, yet and until then I will reserve my judgement. I personally feel Nintendo know what they are doing, and yes, "lol, thay dun't no wut thay r doing wen choozing names." It may not be the best name. but I like it and Nintendo, they do know games. There is no denying that.
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Originally posted by: Dasmos
Seriously, have any of you played the Wii, held the controller in your hand or even know all the secrets Nintendo is yet to discolse? No.
Are you all going to predict its downfall on a name? The Internet is a stupid, stupid place.
Well, guess what? You haven't either...True, the word is VERY good on the Wii controller, but we don't know about the other games and if the idea truly works.
Also, can you predict it's success based on just faith and belief of Nintendo? None of us can.
I'm sorry, neither the haters or the Wii lovers can't predict how the Nintendo Wii will do. Like I mentioned already, the markeplace can be a very weird thing as just when you think something will happen, the opposite happens instead.
But Nintendo will not be a success either just because you have faith in them. This is Nintendo's battle, not ours. All we can do is sit on the sidelines and wait for the results...
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 28, 2006, 06:08:59 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on April 28, 2006, 07:29:31 PM
Well no one is saying the Wii is a bad console, just an unmarketable one.
And predicting that a Nintendo console will flop is EASY. They've had two consoles in a row that underperformed. Three if you count Virtual Boy. The Wii flopping is merely the status quo.
Nintendo is still doing the "live with the unpopular decision we have made" routine. Did that work with the N64? No. Did it work with the Cube? No. When has it EVER worked?
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 28, 2006, 07:40:01 PM
NES, SNES, Gameboy, Gameboy Advance, DS.
And N64 and Gamecube didn't flop, they were just overshadowed by the competition. They met the quota, they just didn't do as well as they deserved.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 28, 2006, 08:46:00 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I'm having a great time watching people get into a huge piss over a NAME, then watching as their little conspiracy hopes are shattered, and then watching them have an even greater whine...
(Ahaha, personal attack, I don't think so...)
(Edit: I wonder how many enemies I've (and other Wii advocates such as Deg and Hostile Creation) unjustly made because of me mocking the whole "urine" argument and this whole tirade in general...It's pretty sad, really, considering I hold nothing personal against any PGC member...A NAME is tearing this community apart, and it's not the name's fault...)
It doesn't take a marketing major to determine that giving an excellent product an awful name can and likely will kill it.
First of all, I've confirmed this with quite a few European friends: in many parts of Europe, "wee" is a widely accepted synonym for urine in everyday ADULT language. "I need to go have a wee in the loo."
Second, the urine argument has long since passed about the US and far, FAR more valid arguments have been made but you've instead chosen to cling to the urine argument.
I don't know what kind of HOLE someone has to live in in order to not grasp the fact that image is THE #1 deciding factor in US marketing. I'm not condoning it, and I don't follow it personally, but it's the goddamn truth and anyone who believes even for a SECOND otherwise needs to pull their head out of their ass.
People in the US buy iPods because it's fashionable, not because it's a good MP3 player. Apple created a trend and people follow it like sheep.
What has killed Nintendo these past two generations? Was it games? HELL no. I STARTED my Nintendo gaming with the N64 and I've been privileged to experience the games it and the GC alike have given me over the years.
And yet both of those consoles were last place in their generation. So, it's not GAMES which Nintendo is losing on, so what else is there? WHY on earth would Nintendo sell fewer consoles in the US than in Japan? Why is the PSP almost neck and neck with the DS in the US despite having zero killer apps?
IT'S IMAGE, GODDAMN IT!!!!
And what irks me more is that, BEFORE this whole fiasco, we all seemed to agree that Nintendo could probably stand to lose the image that it's aimed at children Then, they announce that the Rev will be renamed to one of the silliest, most ridiculously childish names imaginable, and many people here go into "fanboy alert mode": despite all logic, they LOVE the name and blindly approve of it.
If the N64 and the GC have lost Nintendo home console market share because of their image, how is the next console being pronounced "wee" not a severe blow to Nintendo's chances for recovering any market share in the US?
Post by: wandering on April 28, 2006, 08:49:17 PM
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A NAME is tearing this community apart, and it's not the name's fault...
The power of wii has infected everyone on the ship. Being an android, I am the only one not affected. Therefore, I can say with absolute objectivity, that there is only solution: everyone who does not like the name 'wii' needs to piss off because they are stupid.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 28, 2006, 08:55:45 PM
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The power of wii has infected everyone on the ship. Being an android, I am the only one not affected. Therefore, I can say with absolute objectivity, that there is only solution: everyone who does not like the name 'wii' needs to piss off because they are stupid.
See, you're being sarcastic (I HOPE...), but there are people here making this exact same argument and they're serious.
Let me let people in on a little secret: when you can't make an argument without resorting to insult and mockery of the other party, then you subconsciously know that your argument doesn't hold water.
Post by: wandering on April 28, 2006, 09:10:36 PM
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See, you're being sarcastic (I HOPE...), but there are people here making this exact same argument and they're serious.
Well, right, that was my point: this feels like one of those Star Trek episodes where some weird alien force is making everyone act all crazy like.
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Let me let people in on a little secret: when you can't make an argument without resorting to insult and mockery of the other party, then you subconsciously know that your argument doesn't hold water.
That can't be, because wii really is a good name.
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 28, 2006, 09:23:51 PM
Well, it is a good mp3 player. And they make good computers.
I'm not just saying that because I own one, either, because I don't own either. I own a Dell Inspiron 9100 and I don't own any brand of mp3 player.
Not sure why it's relevant, just thought I'd mention it.
"despite all logic, they LOVE the name and blindly approve of it."
I don't blindly approve of everything Nintendo does. I disliked and gave away my copy of Advance Wars DS after not liking the game. I don't like Animal Crossing.
I thought Geist fell far short of my expectations, with both the ghost and FPS aspects of gameplay. On the other hand, I believe you said that you really liked Geist. Does that put you into "fanboy alert mode"? I like Wii, but dislike Geist. You like Geist and dislike Wii. Doesn't mean sh!t either way, it's our opinion.
Also, I might point out that I never said I LOVE the name.
Post by: Dasmos on April 28, 2006, 09:43:20 PM
QuoteIt's not unmarketable. The name is unique, people will take notice. This is why I believe the names suits, it makes you give attention, you hear a name like that you are going to ask what it is.
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Seriously, have any of you played the Wii, held the controller in your hand or even know all the secrets Nintendo is yet to discolse? No."
Well no one is saying the Wii is a bad console, just an unmarketable one.
And predicting that a Nintendo console will flop is EASY. They've had two consoles in a row that underperformed. Three if you count Virtual Boy. The Wii flopping is merely the status quo.
Nintendo is still doing the "live with the unpopular decision we have made" routine. Did that work with the N64? No. Did it work with the Cube? No. When has it EVER worked?
I will also guarantee you, it is only the internet that has a huge problem with this name. Most people won't even realise or care that there was a name change. People aren't going to suddenly decide against what the Wii brings because of a name. A name may be the deciding factor in two products that are very similar, but a product that offers something unique, something different, something great won't lose out soley on a name.
Post by: Mario on April 28, 2006, 09:43:38 PM
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Let me let people in on a little secret: when you can't make an argument without resorting to insult and mockery of the other party, then you subconsciously know that your argument doesn't hold water.
It can go both ways, the fact that you bring that up means you're questioning the reality of the world and your position in it, which means you're unsure. When something is so ridiculous, the reasoning goes over your head, attempting to reply to it on the same level will bring you into ridiculousness, but it still has to be responded to, so there's nothing else to do but laugh.
Wii supporters and Wii detractors both seem have very different philosophies on life, i've found, and it's interesting to see who's on which side in this whole debacle. Wiiners vs Whiiners?
Post by: wandering on April 28, 2006, 11:28:05 PM
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Wiiners vs Whiiners?
At the end of the day, they're both weiners...
Post by: Arbok on April 28, 2006, 11:37:06 PM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on April 29, 2006, 12:34:40 AM
the public will still play it. a name will only dissuade self-conscious dbags who don't deserve to play (my roomate).
plus nintendo thinks it is chic. I say go for it.
finally, we don't know if it might stand for something else. There's one big feature we haven't seen. mayeb Wii is and acronym.
hell I already like it just cuz it's easy to type
Wii!!!!
Post by: odilon on April 29, 2006, 04:52:30 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherThen, they announce that the Rev will be renamed to one of the silliest, most ridiculously childish names imaginable...
No, the name has a broad, philisophical aim, it's (almost) everyone here who is unable to get over the childish, potty-humor that they have decided to force upon it.
Post by: Artimus on April 29, 2006, 06:01:23 AM
They could've come up with a similar product name that's just as weird, just as unique, just as intriguing, but doesn't have all the issues that "Wii" does. That's why it isn't excuseable.
Post by: Arbok on April 29, 2006, 04:46:48 PM
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If you have to explain your name and tell people to just deal with it, it's a bad name.
Exactly. Nothing can please 100% of a base, everyone knows that. Marketers tend to aim for at least that 90-95% sweet spot. This name has clearly botched even getting close to that with the level of controversy that it has generated, and since the name is meant only to sizzle the product and make it more desirable, it has clearly failed on that basis.
Post by: Artimus on April 29, 2006, 05:11:58 PM
But it's not...
Post by: blackfootsteps on April 29, 2006, 05:26:18 PM
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I respect Dasmos, I think he's a good man, but, quite frankly, I agree with everything he just said. (catch that reference) Unmarketable? Wii practically markets itself.
Well I think your 3 cent titanium tax goes too far...But anyway I've got 'a head i the polls'...
On topic: I don't love the name, I don't hate it. I think that it does look better in writing than it sounds. I must say I'm not a huge fan of the Appleitis that has dominated Nintendo's design as of late. The Rev / Wii hardware design was enough, the fact that the logo looks like an Apple logo is a shameless imitation. When did a splash of colour hurt?
An even more Appleized name: iWii
