Post by: MaryJane on April 04, 2006, 02:02:20 PM
Just a curiousity
There's a lot of love for the rev, and there's also a lot of doubt.
So for those of us who are planning to buy a Revolution, I'm wondering, what could Nintendo do that would make you no longer desire to buy it? You know it's weaker graphically, you know nothing about the controller or games, and you want to buy it, so what more would they have to do to persuade you?
For those of you who are doubting whether or not you're going to buy one, I want to know the opposite.
What could Nintendo do to persuade you to buy a Revolution? They're offering a nunchuck, a shell controller, and innovative gameplay and you're still not satisfied. What more do you want?
I realize the potential this has to not only turn into a joke thread, but quite possible flame war, so let's be civil and politely criticize those we disagree with. Also post seriously, my curiousity overwhelms me and often gets me into trouble like asking a girl "are those real??" SLAP . So let's have it here's mine:
Nintendo would have to come out at E3 and say, we've decided that instead of being innovative we're going to release a system more akin to the competition, sorry no motion sensing, our console is going to be so huge and powerful that everyone will love it. Then I wouldn't buy one.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 04, 2006, 02:18:46 PM
1. I'm worried the controller won't be able to handle traditional games.
2. I'm worried the controller might be a g!mmick and titles made for it will lack depth.
3. I'm worried that Nintendo is going to focus too much on non-gamers and thus spend too much time making products for this group that I'm not interested in.
So to buy a Rev I need to see some games that suggest otherwise. If Nintendo can deliver some games that really grab my interest and I feel I have to buy a Rev or I'll be missing out on these must-play games then I'll buy a Rev. When I'll buy a Rev is based on when these games are available. If they're launch titles I'll buy one at launch. If I have to wait I'll wait. Issue 3 relates more to what my overall satisfaction with the console will be than my purchasing decision. If there are games I want for it I'll buy one barring any unforeseen financial problems.
Post by: jasonditz on April 04, 2006, 02:20:46 PM
1. Price the system too high. Low specs should equal affordability. If the system costs as much as a Premium 360, I'm going to have to seriously re-examine it.
2. Price the VC games too high. Probably not a deal breaker by itself, but the VC is something I'm very interested in, and if they charge $20 a game or something, that's going to matter.
3. Emphasize online too much. I'm sort of interested in seeing for instance an online Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles (multiplayer things I could never get anyone else to play in real life), but in the long run, I don't care that much about playing online... that's why Mario Kart is sitting at the bottom of my DS box while satisfying single player experiences like Sonic Rush and Puyo Pop are getting lots of playtime months after I bought them. I like the idea of online as an option, but if there aren't any games that can be enjoyed as a single player experience, I'm probably going to look elsewhere.
Post by: animecyberrat on April 04, 2006, 02:46:13 PM
I am skeptical about the controller even with the shell because they will still likey force motion sensing on yo one way or another. I am not at all interested in any of Nintendos recent new games like pikmin or Animal Crossing so those kinds of games will not win me over. I am however seriously considering a 360 because of Oblivion so if Rev doesnt offer any games like that I might hold off. Also if theres no Mortal Kombat or Midway support I am gone nuff said.
Post by: Zach on April 04, 2006, 03:21:05 PM
Post by: MaryJane on April 04, 2006, 03:47:13 PM
If the games aren't any good I'll probably force myself to buy a ps3, however looking at Nintendos track record, it would be hard for this happen I think.
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on April 04, 2006, 04:09:26 PM
I've fallen for everything, but I'm going to admit, I like my games to look good...and if the games are comparable to the original Xbox...meh.
Post by: Fro on April 04, 2006, 04:33:51 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 04, 2006, 05:16:03 PM
So long as they don't utterly screw up and they've got at least a couple games that sell me on the concept, they've got my money.
In other words, if Smash Brothers and Metroid Prime 3 turn out to be good (without overly relying on inane online shenanigans), consider it bought.
Post by: iMoron on April 04, 2006, 05:18:16 PM
And saying that thats a selling point for those of you who have those fears would seem to imply that you won't buy the Nintendo DS because the PSP has better graphics! ... It seems many miss the point...
It is true that we need to see something soon so that those in fear have a better judgement... thoug an unfair one since we won't play the games untill they are realeased... Will have to draw from what others say... and so far what has been said is positive... Forget about the supose power, think DS vs PSP...
I will buy it as soon as I get the money...
The games should/will be gread (Nintendo will lead the way, like they do ofthen)... what we have to worry is os lazzy/lame programes/produsers that pomp out garbage with increadible ease...
Post by: Caliban on April 04, 2006, 05:37:47 PM
The only thing that will make me not buy it is if it won't be released at all, or if it's more than $300 CAD.
Btw, have any of you seen Dynasty Warriors 5 for the X360? That's next-gen? LMAO! Totally ridiculous.
Post by: antman100 on April 04, 2006, 05:39:13 PM
Post by: jasonditz on April 04, 2006, 06:20:57 PM
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Right now, I really want to buy one at launch, the thing is that right now i am assuming that they would not have made this weird controller without knowing that they could use it well for games. I am kinda repeating what Ian say but in a different way, if the Games nintendo lets out do not support my above assumption, then I may rethink buying a rev (at least at launch)
I dunno, a lot of the early games for the DS make me wonder if they didn't design it first and worry about what to do with things like dual screens and touch control.
Not that I'm complaining, they've come up with a ton of fascinating uses for the features in the past year and a half. But I wonder if the first crop of Rev titles might not show the same kind of uncertainty about what to do with the controls.
Post by: animecyberrat on April 04, 2006, 06:28:05 PM
I am sorry if it offends you but I DO WANT my video games to look nice, I want them to keep getting better because every time they get better it makes the games look cooler.
And comarping Ds to PSP isnt the same, because DS is leaps and bounds greater than GBA graphicaly and it looks good enough, but I will admi I mostly buy 2d games for it because lets face it the 3d games are ugly, MK
S was decent enough not to notice but Hunters looks like s#*T and thats just truth. I wont be getting that game any time soon because its so ugly. I was ok with Mario 64 Ds because they did improve in a lto of areas and it had been so long since I played SM64 it ws just fun to play it again. BUT on a console you DO notice the graphics more. I knwo they wont be a major issue and I expect they will look good, but the justifiable fear is there that it wont blow me away and that worries me somehwhat. It wont be a deciding factor unless a really awesome game Iw ant DONT get ported because of that.
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Post by: Zach on April 04, 2006, 07:52:29 PM
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Originally posted by: Zach
Right now, I really want to buy one at launch, the thing is that right now i am assuming that they would not have made this weird controller without knowing that they could use it well for games. I am kinda repeating what Ian say but in a different way, if the Games nintendo lets out do not support my above assumption, then I may rethink buying a rev (at least at launch)
I dunno, a lot of the early games for the DS make me wonder if they didn't design it first and worry about what to do with things like dual screens and touch control.
Not that I'm complaining, they've come up with a ton of fascinating uses for the features in the past year and a half. But I wonder if the first crop of Rev titles might not show the same kind of uncertainty about what to do with the controls.
Exactly, the DS wasnt implemented very well at first, but it has become a great system. I am sure that Nintendo would not make this controller without having some ideas in mind, and they would make it still playable with any game. Im probably going to get a rev no matter what, but it worries me that all they have had playable were simple demos.
Post by: trip1eX on April 04, 2006, 08:08:14 PM
The sweet thing is I can buy a $50 game or two at launch and tide myself over in between with the virtual console and my GAmecube games.
I'm sure I'll get the New Zelda game as a Rev title unless it comes out much earlier. Also I'll probably pickupMetroid if it's a launch title.
Post by: Renny on April 04, 2006, 09:33:20 PM
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Post by: TrueNerd on April 04, 2006, 11:07:30 PM
I also wouldn't buy the Revolution if Iwata announced this:
"We're going in a different direction with the Metroid franchise. Instead of letting Retro handle the franchise, we've decided to outsource the series to EA. There, Metroid will undergo a number of changes, all of which will result in Metroid losing it's soul, charm and appeal. Of course, identical yearly sequels will be mandatory."
Ugh, I feel sick just thinking about it.
Post by: BigJim on April 04, 2006, 11:15:14 PM
Game Lineup: I've said it before but if the lineup is anything like Nintendo's strategy with GameCube in the last 2 years, they can keep it. I haven't gotten anything since Star Fox Assault and won't until Zelda. So GameCube was basically a 3-year system. Since my Cube just died anyway, I'll only get Zelda if I get a Rev. The first 2 years were hot with semi-regular blockbusters, but after that... wtf? There's no excuse for one Mario spinoff after another, and basically one blockbuster a year, IMO.
Also related to game lineup -- If they're going to make a console version of the DS (in hardware/software philosophy), they might as well stay home for that too. The DS is good for what it is. Great for the quick fixes and short "non games" they tout. But if we're crammed full of quick fix and non-games, and again with the occasional blockbuster, then I'm just not going to be satisfied.
Finally, I want to see more mature games. Not just occasional token games, either. Some people try to insinuate that mature games = immature games, but that's hogwash. I'm not asking for GTA "bust a cap in a bitch's ass" titles. I want games like Half-Life 2 and Unreal Tourney. I'm not even a PC gamer or an FPS fan and I think they're great. They just need to embrace western games more, in general.
3rd party support: I don't have to go into detail here, right? Crappy support = no BigJim support.
Nintendo's getting a lot of love in quotes, but the proof will be in the pudding. We'll see how this turns out. It likely won't be decided right away.Controller Flexibility: This is really all up to how the controller is used and what is omitted for the sake of "innovation." Many say "well just use the shell" but the shell's game support and availability out of the box are not foregone conclusions. If they swapped the locations of the D-pad and the a/b buttons, I would be satisfied tomorrow because there would be a sufficient number of action buttons within thumb reach. (or make the d-pad 4 buttons like many remotes do, that'd be fine too.) I'm not sold on 2-button games or shoe-horning the D-pad into being action buttons. As well, I am not convinced hand gestures are any better than simple button pushes. So how the motion is used remains to be seen.
And, in addition, if the controller is merely a "different" way to play and not "better" then all that R&D spending they omitted from the console itself went to waste.
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About the whole graphics thing. It'll obviously look better than GameCube, it WILL look better than Xbox. The specs don't blow me away but the end result will be just about what was expected. Really good-looking SD games. Not much more power is necessary on an SD platform anymore. My concern is more about Nintendo's art style with many of their characters -- The low-resolution, low-polygon characters just don't impress or push the limits. But the hardware itself can push poly's fine.
What's sort of interesting is actually those that already say they'll get it on day 1... Having seen and played nothing, they're already committed and defending Nintendo's decisions wholesale. How realistic is it to reasonably debate the issues with those that loyal?
Dissenting opinions get dismissed with comments like "just don't buy it" and "they're not making a system for YOU" which is ironic because Nintendo's been making consoles for fewer and fewer people since the 90's. You (general "you") act entitled and righteous for some reason when the reality is right there. They're irrelevant to 85% of the market now. As a Nintendo fan, don't you want this to REVERSE? Or would you rather they stay the course, pander to you instead, and remain a niche player?
Post by: Kairon on April 04, 2006, 11:23:06 PM
I'll be pre-ordering the Rev, buying 2-3 launch games and perhaps even all the additional rev-mote controllers I need.
Why? Well, I am deeply interested in all of Nintendo's philosophies as well as their game design tactics, theories, and abilities. This has been a company that has been consistently excellent and consistently innovative, as well as consistently one-of-a-kind. Shigeru Miyamoto is a gaming god*, and if even a milligram of his pixie dust falls on the Rev, then it's definitely worth my money.
I want it, I need it, I crave it not because I'm a gamer, but because I love videogames. I love them as a creative medium, I love them as a potential future job opportunity, and I love them as someone who can still find innocence and childhood within himself when he plays them. The Revolution will not only let me study Nintendo's philosophies first-hand, it will not only let me explore the boundaries of gaming, it will not only let me anticipate that some great games are coming out... but I believe that it will let me feel closer to videogames, feel closer to a medium that I have loved for so long and that I will continue loving for as long as people like Miyamoto exist.
No talk of "The launch titles will rock" or "I can't wait to play X" or "it's money well spent." I just want to get one step closer to the videogame medium.
I guess that's why I'm buying the Rev: for my love of videogames.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
*Similarly, I hold Hayao Miyazaki in great esteem. I go to se his movies not as a matter of seeing what I think will be a good movie, but as a matter of seeing a "Miyazaki" movie, whether it be good, bad, better or worse than the last. These people have reached a level of mastery where I no longer care what quality their work is, because even shoddy work (like Miyazaki's animated film version of Nausicaa, an animation that I detest because it was in every sense unworthy of Miyazaki's own Nausicaa manga) can give me insight into the their techniques, their minds, and their worlds.
Edit: To address the question directly... What would Nintendo have to do to keep me from buying the Revolution?
Hmm... they'd have to stop believing in the videogame medium. Or I would. Or both of us. But as long as Nintendo (Or, more precisely, Miyamoto, Iwata, and those around them) believes that they can make good games and expand horizons, and as long as I find that fascinating or necessary or enriching, then I'll be there.
Post by: wandering on April 05, 2006, 12:34:55 AM
Yeah.
Post by: Kairon on April 05, 2006, 02:10:08 AM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Mario on April 05, 2006, 03:46:00 AM
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Game Lineup: I've said it before but if the lineup is anything like Nintendo's strategy with GameCube in the last 2 years, they can keep it. I haven't gotten anything since Star Fox Assault and won't until Zelda.
THE KILLAH SEVEN CREW AND DK ARE COMING TO PUNCH YA IN THE GOB
Anyway... i'm buying one cause it's going to have Nintendo games. Unless something stupid happens like it's insanely expensive, has a major defect, or I go blind, i'm going to need to own one to enjoy the new Wario Ware and Super Smash Bros.
Post by: MaryJane on April 05, 2006, 06:07:31 AM
Graphics, and games
Graphics: I do want impressive visuals. Everyone does. You can say graphics aren't important, but in they are in one regard. Immediate wow factor. That first scene when you turn on your game. Whether it be cg or an anime cut scene like in Tales of Symphonia, that first scene should make you go, YES, this looks great. Graphics to me, are like boobs on a girl. They don't have to be big, but it's nice when they are. I could date a girl with small/no boobs, but i'd sure as hell hope her personality makes up for it. (replace big with top notch graphics, date a girl with play a system, small/no with substatantially weaker graphics than the competition, and personality with games)
Games: I'm starting to think the reason we haven't seen any games is that the last secret has a direct effect on either the way the games look, or how they play. I'm leaning more towards how they look because, if it was how they played, all they'd have to do is use pre-rendered movies to show off the games (like the ps3 and killzone, although it would be awesome if those were real gametime graphics). So I don't know, maybe they just want to shock the sh!t out of us at E3 but it makes you wonder. Or maybe the games are so much less visually impressive they don't want us to see them until we get the controller in our(the media and lucky punks at e3) hands so the graphics are forgotten. who knows... all I know is without any major flaws in the system, gameplay, and game lineup I am going to be one of the first online to buy one of these bad boys.
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 05, 2006, 06:27:25 AM
Things that could change my mind are few.
1)Cost of the machine. I already am not going to buy Xbox360 or PS3 because they are too expensive and I can't afford it at this time. The Revolution is the same thing. I can't drop $400.00 on a system and then still have to buy games.
2)Cost of downloaded games. One reason I am purchasing this system is to collect all my favorite old games on to a single system. This is the one system coming out that I do not intend to sell or trade in after I have bought it. The reason is the virtual console system. However, if Nintendo makes the virtual system a subscribtion service or charges too much per games, I may pass. Or at least not buy as many games.
Those are the only two issues I have with the Revolution.
The controller to me is exciting, and I don't believe it will be a sparkling innovation...I believe it will add massive depth to games not take away depth. And even if a developer can't figure out what to do with the new controller the controller shell is still an option.
I am not worried about traditional games though. I have played traditional games and I am bored with them. Or rather I have played traditional first person games, and 3D games and I am bored with them. The classic 2D game designs and formulas still impress me and interest me today.
Post by: animecyberrat on April 05, 2006, 06:43:12 AM
Second is because I have never owned a major new console right at laucnh because I have always been poor, but now that I have money I can afford to get one day one and want to finaly be abel to say I bought the latest video game sytem brand new. Third regardless of what the new games are like it will still play my favorite GC games, as I will likey get TP I will surely be playing it on my REV also, and on that same note it will let me downlaod and play my favorite NES games, snes games, tg16 games (a major bonus) N64 games and now they announced Genesis games the Sega fan in me is drooling with anticipation.
I want the Rev for the same reason why I got a Mini Genesis PLug n play even though I have all those game son a real Genesis, for the same reason I got a atari flashback event houghI have an original atari, I got a Pong Plug N Play even though I have an original Pong, its about getting all those old games right there in one spot and being able to revisit my child hood memories (the good ones) and forget about all the BS I have to deal with day to day.
Its also the same reason why I collect Transformers action figures. Its for the nastalgia. When you grow up and move out and geta job and start paying bills and realise your life isnt going how you expected it, you need something to take your mind off of that and remember when things was better.
Its funny how our minds work like that too, My childhood sucked, we were poor, we moved a lot and I never had friends, I as beaten up at school, I was a 'trouble maker' and had to spend hours a week with school and professional councilors because of that, . We didnt get our first NES untill AFTER SNES came out and we only got 1 game a year until N64 cameout. Dad was an alcoholic and mom was always forcing us to goto church and our crazy older sister would torture us for entertainment, so logicaly I shouldnt want to remeber those days, but for some reason when i sit down and play Super Mario Bros or Duck Hunt, all I think about was what iw as thinking the first time I played it and I start to see the good that was in my life instead of the bad. So for me the Rev is all about Virtual Console.
Even my GC collection is primarily Midways Arcade Treasures, Namco Museums, Mega MAn collections, Zelda Collectors Disk, Sonic Collections and games that look and play like those old games. I have never been one to give up the games i grew up on for anything that isnt up to that quality. I play a lot of other games and my best childhood memeroies revolve aroudn Mortal Kombat and I have alwasy beena huge fan of that so Mk is a realdeciding factor for me also, if theres no MK when GC had a few, I will be pissed to no end and will not forgive Nintendo for losing my absolute favorite game series.
So I will be getting a rev at laucnh but how long Ican go before getting a 360 and making it my primary console is still up to nintendo, I held out until last year befroe getting a regular xbox, but I almost went out and got a 360 yester day just cuz GC has not done anythign for me for so long.
Post by: Strell on April 05, 2006, 06:44:22 AM
I am going to support the Rev 100%. That is the only way we will ever see any kind of innovation or progression in this market, which is mired in results and me-too rip-offs.
I will be getting the Rev, 2-3 games, and multiple controllers. I'm looking to have anywhere from 500-600 saved to drop on launch day. Accessories might include Revmote charging stations, component cables, and game downloads.
It will be worth it.
Please don't pretend you are a Nintendo fan if graphics are going to stop you from getting the Rev. Or third party support. You buy Nintendo for gameplay and their first party titles.
I will support the Rev just like I've supported the DS - almost universally without question, hesitation, or pause.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 05, 2006, 07:52:09 AM
So I guess you didn't buy a Gameboy for the same reason?
I thought of something else that would affect my purchase: Zelda. Zelda's my favourite game series. When I'm older and married and have kids and don't really have the time to keep up with gaming I can still see myself playing Zelda. So regardless of what happens with the Rev once Zelda is released on it I'll probably buy it unless they totally rehaul Zelda into something I don't like. Twilight Princess doesn't count here since I can play it on the Cube. But once a Rev exclusive Zelda is made I'll probably get it even if I never buy another Rev game.
Post by: Kairon on April 05, 2006, 08:20:51 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian SaneSo I guess you didn't buy a Gameboy for the same reason?
True, in retrospect. I was NEVER interested in the GameBoy until Pokemon came out, and even then that was the only GB game I had. I loved reading about it, I loved reading the Metroid II walk-throughs in my old Nintendo Power, but that's were it ended.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: iMoron on April 05, 2006, 09:14:00 AM
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About the whole graphics thing. It'll obviously look better than GameCube, it WILL look better than Xbox. The specs don't blow me away but the end result will be just about what was expected. Really good-looking SD games. Not much more power is necessary on an SD platform anymore. My concern is more about Nintendo's art style with many of their characters -- The low-resolution, low-polygon characters just don't impress or push the limits. But the hardware itself can push poly's fine.
NO it is not SD (Standart Definition, 480i)... The Revolution WILL display at ED (Enhance Definition, 480p)... Unless all you have is an SDTV, but considering the cost of an EDTV set, upgrading to one would be far easier and apropiate for the next few years untill HDTV standarices itself and becomes more afortable... By then Nintendo will be releasing their NEXT system...
The diference is noticeble betwing SD and ED... Thoug EDTV can display an HD signal...
Besides... EDTV can LOOK just as nice as HDTV in some cases:
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Theoretically, higher resolution plasma TVs should always look better with an HD signal, but with video picture signals - signal processing, interpolation, conversion and contrast(i.e., how an image is displayed) has more to do with picture quality than resolution does.
Case In Point: At past Consumer Electronics Shows (2001 and 2002), manufacturers would stage "plasma shoot outs", often pitting earlier-generation HD sets against ED ones. The outcome? A Panasonic 853X480 plasma beat several other manufacturers with higher resolutions (1024X768 or 1024X1024) even with an HD signal displayed. Contrast, video processing, and conversion have much to do with plasma technology.
Besides... HD is, in my opinion, not yet standart for me to fork out big bucks for a set that will display less than half of the bradcast... and with so many variant high resolutions things get confusive for the costumer... And Then there are this facts to consider:
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(1) DVD material may look better on an a good brand of EDTV 853 X 480 than it would on a third tier brand in a 1024X768 resolution. At DVD quality resolution, the image output quality depends more upon the manufacturer than it does the resolution.
(2) 80% of the content available to viewers -- whether on TV or on DVD -- is NOT high definition. However, this story is changing.
(3) If deliberating between a 1st tier EDTV resolution plasma purchase compared with a 1st tier HDTV plasma resolution purchase, consider that you will likely get around a 20% bump in picture quality with the HD unit when watching a good incoming HD signal. An EDTV plasma can display and HD signal, but only at its native pixel resolution after down conversion.
(4) The manufacturer quality should be of more concern than the resolution of the plasma display. Purchasing a plasma from a quality manufacturer can make the biggest difference of all. I would rather have an EDTV 853X480 plasma TV from Sony, Panasonic or Pioneer than an 1024X768 HDTV plasma from lesser Taiwanese, or Korean manufacturers even for the same cost.
I will buy it... and and EDTV when I get the chance...
What I want to know about are the games themselves... But I won't let pas the oportunity to play past consoles games... and talk about systems when there will be Sega's and even posibly other consoles... I know Nintendo won't desapoint...
And... ports can/are a doble edge suord, even for the other consoles... I don't want ports of games that are crapy from the start on its debuting console... ...and I think some know waht I mean...
Post by: antman100 on April 05, 2006, 10:08:01 AM
Post by: iMoron on April 05, 2006, 10:14:34 AM
Post by: BigJim on April 05, 2006, 12:07:59 PM
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NO it is not SD (Standart Definition, 480i)... The Revolution WILL display at ED (Enhance Definition, 480p)... Unless all you have is an SDTV, but considering the cost of an EDTV set, upgrading to one would be far easier and apropiate for the next few years untill HDTV standarices itself and becomes more afortable... By then Nintendo will be releasing their NEXT system...
Nitpicking. By "SD" I meant "not HD". I'm aware of the pros and cons and differences.
Post by: MaryJane on April 05, 2006, 12:43:23 PM
I just found out I have an ED t.v. You'd think it would said so on the box... nope hidden in the manual which I didn't read until I saw my t.v listed as an ED t.v. Hooray for beer. Funny thing is my t.v also has a special connection specifically made for the Xbox. too bad I don't own one, it's supposed to make the games look great.
Vive la Revolution!
Oh one question for the peeps who are technically knowledgeable.
Does having component video mean your t.v is progressive scan capable?
Cuz my buddy my buddy my buddy my buddy, my buddy and me! No but really, a friend has component video connection but his t.v wasn't listed as ED. just curious.
Post by: BigJim on April 05, 2006, 12:58:34 PM
ED isn't always mentioned. It's a term that's half heartedly used to mean some sort of "middle" between SD and HD, which mostly only confuses people. heh.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 05, 2006, 01:04:40 PM
Consult the TV manual for p.scan specifics or test it using a game console's p.scan output (does the game tell you p.scan is enabled or not).
Post by: RiskyChris on April 05, 2006, 11:24:04 PM
1) Awful, awful reviews of the controller post-E3 (I'm talking functionality of the super scope accuracy) combined with ridiculously priced VC games or no good launch title.
2)...
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That's about it. Barring a price increase of the revolution past $500, there's nothing keeping me from purchase on launch day.
Post by: Nosferat2 on April 06, 2006, 08:55:34 AM
Please don't pretend you are a Nintendo fan if graphics are going to stop you from getting the Rev. Or third party support. You buy Nintendo for gameplay and their first party titles.
No offense but that is utterly rediculous. I, as well as others, buy nintendo because of best overall quality. Graphics and third party support has historically been a part of Nintendo's huge success. The NES was # 1 because the graphics were a huge leap from Atari. Further, its had every third party on its side. Granted First party titles played a substantial role. But to call someone a nonNintendo fan because he/she like graphics and 3rd partys simply wrong.
Look at the SNES. The graphics were phenominal. I didnt even give Sega a chance because the SNES looked so good. The GC had super graphics. The damn thing produced graphics just as good and at times better than the technically more powerful xbox!
Sony and Xbox followed Nintendos Model. Graphics and third party support. So in fact, the REV will be the FIRST time Nintendo will be on the bottom of the graphics totem pole. NO Nintendo fan is going to be used to that. The controller will alienate or at least limit third party support and ports. NO Nintendo fan is used to that. The only First Party games that truely matter for Nintendos console are Zelda, Mario and Co and Metroid. If anyone thinks Nintendo could have Survived simply on those three franchises alone needs to put the crack pipe down.
Im loyal to Nintendo because of its OVERALL quality (including reliability), great graphics, and great games, both 1st, 2nd and 3rd party.
If you dont care that Nintendos "Next Gen" console will only produce Xbox quality graphics then your are not a smart consumer. In that case all Nintendo has to do is make the controller as a peripheral to the GC, not a different console. Im confident Nintendo will deliver on graphics though so im not worried. But if they dont blow me away like every last one of Nintendos consoles did then I will be very disappointed. Im sure i wont be the only one.
Post by: Rhoq on April 06, 2006, 09:19:22 AM
DS owners, even though the system's graphical capabilities are roughly that of an N64 are you enjoying your DS any less?
I'm sure the majority of DS owners will say "No". Why? Because of the unique gameplay experience you have with the system due to it's touchscreen interface and built-in microphone. New types of gaming experiences are what makes the DS an amazing little system.
Sure many like to compare the DS to the PSP. While it's an unfair comparision because the 2 systems are very different, it's a fact the technology-wise, the PS2 is superioir to the DS in just about every way. However, the technology is costlier and at the end of the day doesn't offer anything new to your "on-the-go" gaming experience, aside from current generation console graphics.
The DS is much more affordable. Sure it uses older graphics technology, but that is what allows Nintendo to sell the system for $129.99 US. It's very capable of delivering some very pretty, nearly current generation visuals.
Expect the Revolution to follow suit. The graphics won't be as powerful as the "competition", but it's the unique control interface which will make the system a must-own "next-gen" console. After, it's the games which are most important. The controller opens up the possibility of introducing new ways to play and interact with your games - just like the DS has been doing for the last year and a half.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 06, 2006, 09:41:41 AM
So you can't really compare it to the Rev. It's not so much what the difference between the Rev and the other consoles are. It's more of how big the graphical jump from Cube to Rev is.
This is about what would make you buy or not buy the Rev. If that's your reason, fine. It's your purchase. To me the issue is more about what sort of games won't be available because the hardware can't handle them. That's a bigger deal to me.
Post by: Strell on April 06, 2006, 10:17:37 AM
Of all the games I own for the DS, N64, and Gamecube, the overwhelming majority are first party Nintendo titles OR games based on Nintendo franchises, but developed by another company altogether (F-Zero GX, etc). Maybe we still were getting every new Final Fantasy title, sequels to Chrono Trigger, comparable FPS and fighter games, and a trove of sports titles, then the score would be even. But it isn't. We don't get Kingdom Hearts, of all the f*cking games to not get.
The fact is simply that you don't buy a Nintendo system for non-Nintendo games. You don't, period. (The Gameboy doesn't count.)
Graphics shouldn't matter. This is the same argument Nintendo fans have used for years. Yet we get some supposed specs from some guy who is hardly connected to the game industry, and suddenly graphics are a huge debate. All the times we defend the "tiku tiku tiku! " graphics with "everyone" graphics, all the times we talked about the GC not being "omfg 6 million vs 500 million ps2 roflamfafaofalfa," and every other instance where we pointed out "it's the gameplay that matters." All of that overturned in a week.
If you can't spell hypocritical, I just did, maybe you ought to look it up.
Furthermore, I highly doubt the graphics will be much different between the systems. We get conflicting "reports" from "insiders" all over the place saying the 360 trumps the PS3, that the PS3 trumps the 360, that neither are that big leaps in graphics, that the Rev is comparable, etc etc etc. So we have almost nothing to go on. That said, I trust Nintendo isn't stupid enough to release a system that isn't comparable. DS vs PSP and PS2 versus GC/Xbox arguments aside, graphics are almost completely worthless to debate, and if it stops you from getting the Rev, you are not a Nintendo fan. Period.
It won't be Xbox quality. That argument has been going on for 2 weeks now and I'm already tired of it. People need to wake up.
If you're a pansy and you need big graphics, then get a PS3 or a 360. I'll be having fun on my Rev without you and not caring.
Post by: MaryJane on April 06, 2006, 10:56:43 AM
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The controller will alienate or at least limit third party support and ports.
Ports yes, support no. As long as the fanbase is large enough nothing stands in the way of support. Also all the developers have so far sang nothing but praise about the controller and system.
You have to compare the DS to Rev, they are both built on the same philosophy, and similar control schemes. I firmly believe that if the DS had flopped we'd be getting a different console from Nintendo.
Don't worry about the Rev's graphics. How many games on the Xbox can compare to RE 4? That game was gorgeous, and I didn't even play it in 480p although now i feel pretty stupid knowing that I could have. The Rev won't be able to stand up next to a ps3 or 360 on an HD set, but the graphics will be next-gen enough to keep us happy. Count on it.
Nintendo knows they have a hill to climb, and I don't think they'd try to climb it standing on only one leg, or in this case the controller. Graphics are a must, even if they aren't the strongest of the 3.
Post by: Rhoq on April 06, 2006, 11:05:49 AM
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The DS is a huge jump up from the GBA. And portable gaming has always been behind consoles. The GBC and GBA both were ridiculously out of date by console standards. The original Gameboy didn't even have colour! But it didn't matter because any technology related thrill in portable gaming is more of a "I can't believe I'm playing a game that looks this good on a portable!" The DS even without the extra features would still be quite popular.
So you can't really compare it to the Rev. It's not so much what the difference between the Rev and the other consoles are. It's more of how big the graphical jump from Cube to Rev is.
This is about what would make you buy or not buy the Rev. If that's your reason, fine. It's your purchase. To me the issue is more about what sort of games won't be available because the hardware can't handle them. That's a bigger deal to me.
Ian, I hear you. What I was trying to stress, is that the similarities between the DS and the Revolution will be how the player interacts with the games, due to it's unique control interface. The leap between the current-gen graphics and next-gen graphics isn't all that monumental when compared to the N64/PS1 era to the current PS2/XboX/GameCube generation. While the DS' graphics capabilities are a huge step forward, when comparing it to the GBA, it's still "out-dated" technology, since it is really nothing more than last-generation. This has not hindered DS sales at all, even though a more powerful handheld (PSP) is available. It's all about the games.
Currently the DS has a much better selection of must-own titles in it's library. On top of all of that, most of these games are only possible on the Nintendo DS due to it's touchscreen control. It allows gamers to interact with their games in way never before seen on a handheld. The Revolution controller will be offering a similar, but vastly expanded, experience on a home console. Will it be underpowered, when compared to next-gen offerings from Microsoft and Sony? More than likely, yes. Will it matter? Probably not.
The DS has already established itself. It's a very popular system despite it's graphics shortcoming. People understand that it's all about the games, and the unique experiences they can only have while playing on a DS. I believe the same will prove to be true with the Revolution. BUT - unless you are a complete and total Nintendo fanboy/loyalist, I also think it will be essential to own one of the other systems if you expect to have a well-rounded next-gen game collection. Nintendo's "2nd console" strategy may prove to be a success.
Post by: IceCold on April 06, 2006, 01:55:29 PM
QuotePlateau.
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
So you can't really compare it to the Rev. It's not so much what the difference between the Rev and the other consoles are. It's more of how big the graphical jump from Cube to Rev is.
Even though the jump from the GBA to the DS is more than from the Cube to the Revolution, the difference in visuals between, say, the PS3 and the Revolution will be MUCH less noticeable than the difference between the PSP and the DS.
When I put in Smash Bros, and then I play SSBM, I can notice a huge difference. It's much, much better graphically. You just can't get that much of a jump from this gen to next gen. The 360 and PS3 aren't doing it, however many lines of resolution they have.
Post by: animecyberrat on April 06, 2006, 05:01:19 PM
Thats a load of BS
I have never boaght a Nintendo system based entirelyu on Nintendos own games, if they dotn have enough to offer I am not going to get their system. I ama major fan of more than just Nintendos own games, and I stuck with GC thsi gen but you knows soemthign I only have 5 1st party games and 1 of them is a collection of older games and another one is a A Mario Party game, so dont tell me what I buy a GAME system for (no matter whomakes it)
YES I bought a GC because the games were impresive graphicaly as well as fun, but it took a couple years to get enough games for me to get one, since I was still palying so many ps1 and n64 games.
I have over 30 games for my GC also and if you saw my collection you would crap yoru pants, cuz they arent the typical Nintendo type of games either.
Now GC had JUST ENOUGH to keepp me content but I still had to get an xbox anyways to get all the games I was missing out on. IF Revolution cant remedy that then theres achance Iw ill have to abandon it. I will be getitng one JUST CUZ of the Virtual Console but I expect there might be one or two games at launch that will interest me. BUT if after the launch I start seeing all the kinds of games i want get skipped on Rev and goto 360 then I will be getting a 360, I am already wanting one because of a couple games, and YES grpahics play a huge part in that for me.
DO NOT act like your know what a 'true' Nintendo fan is or likes because YOU DONT KNOW S*@
It severly p#*& me off when jack offs like you state their opinons as facts and act liek they know every thing about everybody. Maybe your a blind Nintehndo fanboy who buys every system and game they make, but theres a lot of peoipel who could care less about them as a company who buy thier systems based on other factors.
I never said getting a rev will be based entirely on Graphics as I expect they will at leaast be better than this gen, but IF the graphics are inferior enough that a game iw ant to play doesnt make it to the rev based on that alone I will have to reconsider making it my primary console. Now inferior graphics can be a major issue or if its liek ps2 to GC was than it wont matter much, but still even as good as SOME games look (only a handfull mind you) theres still alot of games that could look better. GC is not even close to platue as some woudl say, hell the Xbox had several games that dwarfed it, also there so many areahs it could improve I wont even waste my time listing them all.
And dont nobody reply with a calm down cuz I am not goonna let some crack head tell me what games I should buy and act liek he knwos anything about me.
Post by: Strell on April 06, 2006, 05:19:32 PM
AND fail reading comprehension.
It's a buy one get one free deal here.
Post by: antman100 on April 06, 2006, 05:26:29 PM
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Originally posted by: Strell
If you're a pansy and you need big graphics, then get a PS3 or a 360.
Doesn't anybody else think this is the most hilarious and ridiculous thing they've read in a while?
Nintendo should be thanking the loyalists who are going to purchase the Revo, no questions asked. They will need your support. This reminds me of the fervor I used to see in the Apple forums.
Post by: Strell on April 06, 2006, 05:32:00 PM
Post by: jasonditz on April 06, 2006, 06:33:33 PM
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Originally posted by: Strell
If you're a pansy and you need big graphics, then get a PS3 or a 360.
Doesn't anybody else think this is the most hilarious and ridiculous thing they've read in a while?
Nintendo should be thanking the loyalists who are going to purchase the Revo, no questions asked. They will need your support. This reminds me of the fervor I used to see in the Apple forums.
We hear things like that all the time... I even thnk there's something to be said for it.
No console is going to please all people in all ways. I personally don't care about graphics, but I really like the idea of not having to spend $400 on my next console. If I get stuck having to shell out a couple hundred bucks more for my Rev just so a whiny minority of fans can get EA's annual WW2 sim in high def, I'm going to be annoyed.
Nintendo's offering something different, and it's something I want. I don't want it to be a rebranded Xbox 360, I don't want it to be a PS3 with a Nintendo logo on it. And for those of you that do... you probably should be asking yourself: if I want a 360 so damned bad, why am I demanding Nintendo move heaven and earth to make one, instead of just buying the one that's already on the market?
Post by: Michael8983 on April 06, 2006, 07:45:48 PM
I think Metroid Prime 3 will be the real kicker. Its developers have already proven themselves capable of amazing results with the Gamecube. If with the enhanced specs they can make a game that will look good even up against anything the PS3 has to offer in addition to making it innovative and fun to play with the new controller, all doubts will be put down.
We'll likely see the Rev version of Smash Bros. The Gamecube version is still one of the best looking games of this past generation which says a lot considering it was one of the first Gamecube titles released. I doubt anyone will be complaining about how it looks on the Rev.
A Rev version of Nintendogs is also a good candidate for eye candy. Those dogs were some of the best looking things the DS has ever shown us. They could look amazing on the Rev. Photorealistic even since the game doesn't require a lot of the system's power to go into anything other than the doggie models.
But there will likely be some titles like a new Warioware that will be so damn fun people won't care how simple the graphics are.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 07, 2006, 07:11:09 AM
Why is there this assumption that if Nintendo made something more traditional that it would be exactly like the other consoles? Was the SNES just a rebranded Genesis or the Gamecube a rebranded PS2? It's the games that set consoles apart moreso than any special features. So a traditional console from Nintendo with comparable power to the competition would still be a Nintendo console and, providing Nintendo is still capable of making amazing games, would still be different from the other consoles. No one who is asking for better hardware is asking for a PS3 or X360. They're asking for what Nintendo would be able to do with better hardware.
Post by: MaryJane on April 07, 2006, 07:12:17 AM
My reason is always the game, no other system will offer me Metroid, Mario, Zelda, and all kinds of new and innovative games like Pikmin, and Trauma Center. The competition has a lot of a good games I'd like to play however although they are good, they're usually more of the same, they have better fps's better rpg's. Nintendo however has original fps's known as an fpa. original rpg's like crystal chronicles (although that game kind of blew if you didn't play it with other people) that is why I will always buy Nintendo systems, whatever faults they have, I know the games will be ones of top quality when they are from Nintendo. And at least they have the ballos to take risks, they might not always work out for them, but at least they do it.
Post by: trip1eX on April 07, 2006, 07:27:46 AM
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To me the issue is more about what sort of games won't be available because the hardware can't handle them. That's a bigger deal to me.
Is this half-ass backwards or what? You do realize that you are a very negative person don't you?
There's going to be lots of games not on the Rev for one reason or another that are going to be great games.
Buy the console for what's on it. Not what might not be on it.
There's going to be alot of games on the Revolution that won't be possible on the other consoles. That's the point of the controller. To set Nintendo's games and consoles even further apart from the competition.
YOu seem to be stuck in this mode of what's not going to be on the Rev? What mistakes will Nintendo make? What 3rd party games won't they get? What games will the controller not be good for? That's called being negative.
The truth is all those questions will have some answers even the biggest fans won't like. But why dwell on it?
If you're really that concerned about all of the above you would have just moved on to a different console and a different board. I mean we're just talking about a game machine. IF it doesn't have the features and games you want then why whine about it? Find something that does fit your perfect world and move on.
I mean who cares what the Rev won't have? I'm buying the console for what's it's going to have. If I dwelled on what it doesn't have I'd never buy it. Of course I'd never buy anything then.
IF you want 720p fine. More power to you. Look elsewhere.
If you're that concerned about games not being technically possible on the Rev then fine looks elsewhere because that is probably going to happen.
If you don't think game A or B or C will play nice with the remote controller. Great. More power to you. Look elsewhere.
IF you don't think the REv will get much 3rd party support and can't sleep at night because of it then save your health and look elsewhere.
HOnestly there's no one here that you need to save from buying the Revolution. No one cares if you aren't going to buy one either. I'm sorry you don't like what Nintendo is doing and that you have been burned by them in the past and that you're very cautious of trusting them now because of that. I'm sorry they aren't doing all they can to meet your needs with their next console. Hopefully you can forgive them and move on.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 07, 2006, 07:59:32 AM
Console purchases are typically an "either or" situation. Usually someone just buys one console over the others. That's I usually do it because it just gets pretty expensive to not only buy multiple consoles but buy games for three different consoles. So what's not on a console is weighed just as much as what's on. It's about finding the best console for you and that means looking both at what the Rev has and what it doesn't have but the competition does.
It is true that there are Rev games that won't be possible on the other consoles as well. So it becomes a choice and you have to weight the pros and cons.
Post by: jasonditz on April 07, 2006, 08:19:52 AM
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"Nintendo's offering something different, and it's something I want. I don't want it to be a rebranded Xbox 360, I don't want it to be a PS3 with a Nintendo logo on it. And for those of you that do... you probably should be asking yourself: if I want a 360 so damned bad, why am I demanding Nintendo move heaven and earth to make one, instead of just buying the one that's already on the market?"
Why is there this assumption that if Nintendo made something more traditional that it would be exactly like the other consoles? Was the SNES just a rebranded Genesis or the Gamecube a rebranded PS2? It's the games that set consoles apart moreso than any special features. So a traditional console from Nintendo with comparable power to the competition would still be a Nintendo console and, providing Nintendo is still capable of making amazing games, would still be different from the other consoles. No one who is asking for better hardware is asking for a PS3 or X360. They're asking for what Nintendo would be able to do with better hardware.
I'm not just hearing "more traditional" from some of these people... I'm hearing that it has to have more similar specs for the sake of 3rd party ports of 360 games. The Cube was not a rebranded PS2, it was a very different system with a very different set of positives and negatives. Sometimes those differences cost them some PS2 ports. But sometimes those differences made possible some intriguing things on the Cube that wouldn't have been possible if we'd tried to make it more suitable to PS2 ports.
A more obvious comparison would be the N64. it was not a rebranded PS1. They could've forgone cartridges for CDs and gotten a lot more PS1 ports. But some of the most significant games of the generation, like OOT, wouldn't have been possible if you had to keep halting gameplay to load data off of a slow CD-ROM drive. We might've gotten a port of FFVII, but I'm not willing to trade OOT for that.
Every system has its tradeoffs. The SNES had a slower clock speed than the Genesis, but superior color depth. The Cube had superior loadtimes to its competitors, but it did so at the cost of lower capacity disks.
The big benefit of the 360 and the PS3 is high-def visuals. The tradeoff is something very tangible... hundreds of dollars more in system costs. I don't care that much about visuals... I do care about hundreds of dollars. I can fully appreciate when someone says "I wish Nintendo had gone more high end, i'd be willing to pay more", but when I hear "I'm probably going to buy a 360 because Revolution is teh sukc and all the 3rd party ports I want won't look as pretty", that's another matter altogether.
It would've never dawned on me to recommend an SNES to someone who wanted to play Genesis games... or a Cube for someone who wanted PS2 games. Why all of a sudden should we call for a redesign for the Rev simply so some guy who wants 360 games will buy it, and constantly be disappointed?
Post by: trip1eX on April 07, 2006, 08:28:50 AM
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"Buy the console for what's on it. Not what might not be on it."
Console purchases are typically an "either or" situation. Usually someone just buys one console over the others. That's I usually do it because it just gets pretty expensive to not only buy multiple consoles but buy games for three different consoles. So what's not on a console is weighed just as much as what's on. It's about finding the best console for you and that means looking both at what the Rev has and what it doesn't have but the competition does.
It is true that there are Rev games that won't be possible on the other consoles as well. So it becomes a choice and you have to weight the pros and cons.
Thanks for sharing that 'How to buy a console' guide with us. I bet everyone was just having a hard time with their decision until you unleashed that nugget of wisdom.
The thing is we aren't buying a lawn mower here man.
We're buying something to have fun with.
There's no right or wrong. And no one has a crystal ball to see the review scores of all the games to be released in the next 5 years.
What you're also missing is context. You're on a god damn Nintendo fan site telling people to look at the competition product as if we're going to buy a toaster or something.
Come on. YOu're so full of bs. I don't think you realize that tho.
No one here gives a rat's ass what the 360 and PS3 are doing.
I know you're trying to save us from making the mistake of buying a Revolution. I know it's a very risky purchase for all of us. A very tough decision. Much like choosing the college you should go to or something. But somehow I think we'll survive. And have fun doing it. We'll have fun playing the games that are on the system and we'll do it without wondering day and night if the grass is greener on the other side.
There's going to be great fun to be had on the Revolution. IT's too dam bad for you and you only that you aren't buying one cause you'll be missing out.
rants over
Post by: animecyberrat on April 07, 2006, 08:49:15 AM
I didnt get a GC because of one single launch game because frankly they all sucked IMO. Also because I dont want to spend so much money on getting multiple systmes I try and get the one witht eh most to offer, I tend to usualy go with Sega because they USUSALY have more to offer than any body else (even Nintendo) but after getting burned three generations in a row I decided to let Sega go and jump back on board with Nintendo, because they had more to offer for me (in the early days) when i got my GC my first two games were Sonic ADventure DX and MK Deadly Allince. My first Nintendo game was Star Fox adventures followed by Lugis Mansion (which I hated). A lot of what I LOVED about those early games was how impressive the visuals were IN ADDITION to how solid the gameplayw as and, with MK as always the story and characters.
What I am saying about ports is in general directed to 3rd pary suport all the way around, thers a lot of games that could be exclusives if the system could handle them. Quake and Doom are good examples, the truth was ONLY the Xbox had the power tomake those games decent ona console and with out the online they would still be inferior to PC version. The reason those games , among others, were exclusive to Xbox was simple it was the only one that could handle them, as past experience shown Doom is usualy a major multi platform game, I mean it was on the effing 32X for cryiung out load tahst as mulit platform as it gets. But to not get the latest doom on GC said a lot to some people. That descision had nothing to do with GC user base cuz when Doom came out GC was still neck in neck with Xbox.
I dont want to see things liek that, games I really love and want to play NOT get made for my system becasue it is underpowered or is lacking features. Its liek Elder Scrolls and other big RPGs that went Xbox only because of the hard drive, Ps3 is offering a hard drive and so is 260 but Nintendo isnt, now that wont matter much in the long run cuz oif the option to plug in yor own usb drive, but it will turn off developers if they dont see the option as mainstream enough to take advantage of it.
Ic ant make it any clearer than that. If the Rev is going to be underpwoered and its going to see games get shafted becasue of it then its going to suck just liek GC, only it will have aharder time because Gc was such a disapointment.
Is it realy so hard to comprehend that a gamer can liek Quake, Mk and Doom AS MUCH AS OR MORE THAN mario, Zelda and such.
As a Nintendo fan do try and give evrything an honest chance. I liked Metroid Prime and Star Fox Adventures, and Smash Bros Melee, sof ar thats the ONLY 1st party games this gen I have liked, I hated ww, sunshine, luigis mansion, paper mario, and the only mario party game I liked was 4. I came close to trading my GC for an xbox when i ehard mk 6 wasnt going to be on it, then at thelast minute they made aport, with features cut out. So I stayed for a while. all last year the only games I did get (love every one) were all made by 3rd parties and all had better features on Xbox. I didnt mind so much in n64 days because they still got the good stuff along with the nintendo stuff, they ahd 2 quakes, Star Wars Shadows of the empire, MK T and MK 4, and many other good games not made by Nintendo. I coudl careless about FF cuz 3 (6) and 7 are the only ones I have every liked. Cc sucked. BUT with Gc it really made a big difference because I got the GC when it was still fairly popualr and was expecting it to get better, every announcment tough for a new game somehow didnt excite me a smuch as it had with N64, Soul Caliber 2 and DBZ did when first announced but I payed DBZ to death on my freinds ps2.
SO bottum line is if a game system, no matter who makes it, doesnt offer enough to satisfy someone then its not a very good buy and will likly not sell as much. I am not arguing that REV wil fail, Im actauly one of the few who has great faith that it WILL be a runaway success, but I have my fears that games I want to play wont get made for it and have to be realistic this gen in that REV might just be a secondary console instead of my only one. I mean we already missed 2 MK games this gen and if tahst any indicator of next gen I might as well get a 360 now and say screw the rev, but I am anticipating trying out the VC and Smash Bros online so at elast tehres a big enough reason to jsutify getting the system, but I will wait and see how long I make it my primary one.
Post by: cubist on April 07, 2006, 09:00:45 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on April 07, 2006, 09:08:16 AM
Well maybe I shouldn't have said "you" instead of "I". Fine. MY method for buying anything is to see what's available. So for me what the Rev doesn't have because of hardware limitations is a big deal. So stop givine me sh!t over what is a pretty damn logical thing to do when buying a console.
"I'm not just hearing 'more traditional' from some of these people... I'm hearing that it has to have more similar specs for the sake of 3rd party ports of 360 games."
Well it's advantageous to be capable of playing the competition's games plus having unique games that no one else could replicate. So if the Rev's hardware allowed for any X360 game to be faithfully ported the Rev would have a HUGE advantage because it could do everything the competition could plus MORE. Now that would also probably make it really expensive so it's not that feasible. Right now though Nintendo is just being different so it becomes a choice. Consumers will decide what's more important to them.
Post by: Ceric on April 07, 2006, 09:37:42 AM
You know what I think would be fun for Nintendo to do at E3? Hide Iwata and Reggie, or other people. Then start there breifing without them and tell everyone they'll be telliconferencing. So then with a projector they show "realtime video" of them sitting in a room and they proceed with there presentation and speeches from there. Sometime in the middle of it Iwata goes "Maybe I should show you a rev demo." Then the Real Iwata comes walking on the stage and goes "Would you like to see a demo?" At that point "Virtual Iwata" is really a realtime Rev app. He then goes to show how you control "Virtual Iwata" with his video feed level graphics.
I think that would be impressive and a little bit surprising.
Post by: trip1eX on April 07, 2006, 10:03:55 AM
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"I know you're trying to save us from making the mistake of buying a Revolution."
Well maybe I shouldn't have said "you" instead of "I". Fine. MY method for buying anything is to see what's available. So for me what the Rev doesn't have because of hardware limitations is a big deal. So stop givine me sh!t over what is a pretty damn logical thing to do when buying a console.
Logical? What's logical about hanging on in the REvolution forum of a Nintendo website while hatin' the Rev and telling us how we're making a mistake buying the REvolution? What's logical about that?
This isn't a 'Post here if you want help deciding what console to buy' forum. I think there's a reason it's called PlanetGamecube.
What's logical about trying to make a very serious rational decision about buying a next gen console in a Revolution forum?
Are you now saying you want this help? You could have fooled me, but ....
I guess we could all help you decide what console to buy.
Off the cuff I'd say buy a 360 because you seem to hate Nintendo. I know that's probably a stretch. But for some reason I just get that feeling about you.
I'm willing to help you with your console buying decision.
What is it that you're looking for?
I actually get a feeling tho that you're going to buy a REvoluton no matter what no matter what you say.
You can't be worried about the games because you said you would buy a Revolution eventually just for the first official Zelda Revolution game. But here you are in this thread wondering about what future speculative games might be able to be played on it.
I think you're just negative. You're eeyore in the Forest Acre Woods. Nary a Nintendo news release is sunny.
There's one thing to analyze a console, but it's another thing to hate and be 100% negative. You're alot close to the latter 2 things than to any serious analysis.
I have to say the only logical conclusion from the 100s of negative posts you read is that you should buy another console. Anyone this worried about it should look elsewhere. YOu want logical. That's logical.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 07, 2006, 10:21:27 AM
Post by: Kairon on April 07, 2006, 10:30:37 AM
Save all that negative energy you have accumulated by getting angry at Ian and find a healthy outlet for it, like the blue-ray disc media. Now THAT is something that deserves your derision.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: trip1eX on April 07, 2006, 11:56:45 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
trip1eX this thread is about what would make you buy or not buy a Rev. I'm saying that losing out on otherwise multiplatform games because of hardware limitations is an issue for me that would affect my decision regarding a purchase. That's on topic. I'm not saying you're making a mistake in buying a Rev I'm just responding to the topic so lay off.
Exactly. Why do you think I'm trying to point out that folks should ignore your opinion? Why? Because if Nintendo suddenly did everything opposite you'd still bitch.
If you can bitch about Nintendo ad nauseum then I can come on here and remind folks how much your posts have nothing to do with Nintendo. They are mostly bs. After all it's a thread about buying a REv. Folks should know where you're coming from. And that's from a deep well of negativity.
If you really cared about 3rd party games and hardware limitations you'd own a 360 by now. Come on. Cut the bs.
I'm only take joy in analyzing what folks are really trying to say. That's all I'm doing here.
Post by: antman100 on April 07, 2006, 12:41:15 PM
And by the way Lois, flowers don't play video games, silly.
Post by: Kairon on April 07, 2006, 12:47:13 PM
He's not a Nintendo Fanboy, he's a consumer forced into the Nintendo camp by the mainstreaming of Sony and MS and by the loss of Sega.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 07, 2006, 01:10:22 PM
Well I wouldn't go that far. I've pretty much always been a Nintendo fan. I'm just not so keen on them lately as I was a few years ago.
Post by: trip1eX on April 07, 2006, 02:31:16 PM
I do like analyzying people and it seems like you wouldn't be happy no matter what. Further proof seems to be evidenced by you (I guess)not liking SONY or MS either. I stand by the you'll always be disappointed if you only look for things that disappoint you part of the rant I posted.
It is possible to be a fan and not be blind. To look forward, but not be gullible. .....
And I figure if I had as many complaints as you seem to have with NIntendo I wouldn't be here. I'd be long gone playing on my 360 or pc or PS3 or PS2 or NES or ATari 2600 or maybe out of videogames all together.
I'm not saying you have to like the Revolution. Or you can't criticize it. But man why not find something else to enjoy and look forward to then.
Really I mean, worst case, you can trade in the thing (Rev) if you don't like it. You can sell it on Ebay or Craigslist.com. YOu can return it to the store. If you buy it at Costco you probably can return it 6 months later instead of just 90 days.
REally in this day and age there's no reason not give something like a console a first hand try if you're remotely interested in it and have the time. You can always get most, if not all, of your money back somehow/someway.
Post by: GregLee on April 07, 2006, 04:10:14 PM
If the sound quality of the Revolution is better than Dolby PLII, like say DD 5.1, I'd be more likely to buy a Revolution. The competition, after all, gives us DD 5.1, or maybe even DD+ for the PS3.
Reading some previous postings, I understand that caring about sound and picture quality is like going over to the dark side, but that's just the way it is. Personally, I do care.
Post by: MaryJane on April 08, 2006, 08:41:14 AM
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Originally posted by: trip1eX
I think you're just negative. You're eeyore in the Forest Acre Woods.
Uhh... I'm pretty sure it's the Hundred Acre Woods.
The Rev will have progressive scan. Already been announced. As for sound I have no idea, and there are some screen shots floating around that show some damn good quality graphics.
Post by: trip1eX on April 08, 2006, 01:28:52 PM
Post by: Unholy Eyes on April 11, 2006, 06:11:21 AM
Post by: thejeek on April 12, 2006, 12:48:20 AM
However, loyalty in buying a company's products can only go so far and at the end of the day Revolution is a games console. Buying a games console is a luxuary and quite an expensive one at that, adding up the cost of all the games I might buy over its lifetime. I'm not obliged to buy a Revolution if I don't think I'll enjoy the games - and that doesn't mean I'll automatically defect to the dark side and buy a PS3 - I don't have to buy a new games console at all if none of the available options suits my needs.
