Post by: SS4Gogita on March 29, 2006, 07:47:28 AM
Satoru Iwata, in an interview with CNN Money, revealed that Nintendo's first party games are going to be no more then $50.
"I cannot imagine any first party title could be priced for more than $50."
He couldn't guarantee that other companies would follow suit, however.
In regards to the reason for keeping prices low this generation, he gave this statement:
"I really don't think that there's going to be a lot of acceptance by current customers of the $60 price tag. They may allow that for a limited number of premium titles, but not all."
Iwata also mentioned that "practically any storage method can be used" when he was asked about the USB ports on the back of the Revolution.
This is good news for those who thought that the 512 MB of internal flash RAM wasn't enough.
We should be hearing more specifics about pricing and the Virtual Console as E3 continues to near.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 29, 2006, 08:18:28 AM
Post by: vudu on March 29, 2006, 08:22:24 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 29, 2006, 08:22:46 AM
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Iwata also mentioned that "practically any storage method can be used" when he was asked about the USB ports on the back of the Revolution.
This is good news for those who thought that the 512 MB of internal flash RAM wasn't enough.
Does that mean we can hook up USB hard drives to our revs for infinite strorage at wholesale prices?
That good news cause you can find 250GB HDDs for $150 right now and name brand ones should be that cheap by the end of the year
A $199 Rev + a $150 250gb HDD would still be cheaper than a $399 Xbox 360 w/ 40gb HDD or a $399/499 PS3 with a 100/160gb HDD
Post by: SS4Gogita on March 29, 2006, 08:36:10 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
Good news. But aren't Microsoft's first party titles $50? This doesn't really mean third party games won't be more expensive.
That's true, but it doesn't mean they can't get more expensive down the road. Third party games might be as expensive still, but the inherently cheap cost of the Revolution makes the price of the games not as hard to swallow.
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Post by: Ian Sane on March 29, 2006, 08:44:18 AM
The USB stuff sounds great. Now we can just do whatever we want regarding storage. Though I wonder if this would be a piracy issue. If I can save all my downloaded games on an external harddrive what's to keep me from connecting said harddrive to my PC and distributing those games all over the internet? I hope Nintendo has a plan against that.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 29, 2006, 08:45:18 AM
edit: Ian, maybe they will have some sort of proprietary software that you need to install on the hard drive that doesn't allow you to share, or the Rev istelf(or the online service) keeps track of what you have and have not downloaded therefore not allowing your Rev to play games that you have not payed for. most likely the latter cause Nintendo would be more in control of that situation.
Post by: Ian Sane on March 29, 2006, 09:02:55 AM
That seems like the best solution. Something like that would also let you redownload something that accidently got deleted but you already paid for.
Iwata mentions temporary downloads as well. I personally don't care for the idea of Nintendo deciding that I can't play this demo anymore or anything like that.
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 29, 2006, 09:14:24 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 29, 2006, 09:15:55 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
The USB stuff sounds great. Now we can just do whatever we want regarding storage. Though I wonder if this would be a piracy issue. If I can save all my downloaded games on an external harddrive what's to keep me from connecting said harddrive to my PC and distributing those games all over the internet? I hope Nintendo has a plan against that.
If Nintendo wants to emulate Apple (and they do), then these games will likely be hardware-coded to work only with your Revolution or maybe the Revs of you and 2-3 friends.
Apple allows you to share the music you download from iTunes with 6 or 7 other people, I believe, so long as you give them your password to unlock the song.
Post by: Ian Sane on March 29, 2006, 09:23:10 AM
Having that little extra flexibility would be nice. What if my Rev breaks? It wouldn't be fair to have to rebuy all those games because they're associated with a certain Rev machine. Plus there's the issue of used consoles as well.
Post by: capamerica on March 29, 2006, 09:32:50 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 29, 2006, 09:46:39 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane Having that little extra flexibility would be nice. What if my Rev breaks? It wouldn't be fair to have to rebuy all those games because they're associated with a certain Rev machine. Plus there's the issue of used consoles as well.
I'm guessing that, much like the iTunes store, you'll have an account which is linked to your Rev and CC#. In the event that you change Revs, you'd have to move the account over which would likely be easy to do.
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Originally posted by: capamerica
I wonder if Nintendo will release the nPod =P
They already have. It has two screens and hibernates when you close it, allowing you to copy various games to it and take them with you, just like the iPod does with music.
Post by: jasonditz on March 29, 2006, 10:01:14 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 29, 2006, 10:18:22 AM
Plus, I think firewire would have been more expensive, sadly.
Post by: BigJim on March 29, 2006, 11:45:04 AM
Definitely expect the downloads to be DRM'ed to be tied to the Rev, your account, or some combination to make sure it's not emulated off a computer or shared among a million people. Illegal ROMs have been available for years so there's nothing particularly more desireable about Rev-originated ones.
But iTunes works because the cheapness (and convenience) of the content is enough to persuade against much of the piracy.
Post by: vudu on March 29, 2006, 12:02:40 PM
QuoteUnless they start releasing official translated versions of games that never made it out of Japan.
Illegal ROMs have been available for years so there's nothing particularly more desireable about Rev-originated ones.
Post by: jasonditz on March 29, 2006, 12:04:12 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
If it's USB II, it should be pretty quick as it is.
Plus, I think firewire would have been more expensive, sadly.
Firewire ports only cost like a quarter per system, so they're not prohibitively expensive. The minor speed difference between the two probably isn't worth the hassle (if they're not bothering to put ethernet ports on the thing), but it would've been nice since I already own the firewire drive.
Post by: ThePerm on March 29, 2006, 12:39:40 PM
Post by: ssj4_android on March 29, 2006, 12:51:49 PM
Anyway, I kind of hope they offer a cheap subscription service, like Yahoo Music Unlimited or whatever, only for games.
Post by: jasonditz on March 29, 2006, 01:27:35 PM
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Post by: BigJim on March 29, 2006, 02:43:45 PM
I think it's important we all not take Iwata's quote out of context. He says any type of storage CAN be used, but it doesn't mean it will be. It's just a possibility.
Post by: Ceric on March 29, 2006, 03:29:33 PM
I'm betting that the internal 512 is reserved for Nintendo and Developers. Games could go through a key process when copied over that involved your Rev Freind Code. Since Nintendo gives those they can make sure there unique. Then when you go to another Rev you can unlock it by your Freind Code and a password.
Post by: KirbySStar on March 29, 2006, 03:57:11 PM
Post by: Djunknown on March 29, 2006, 04:07:51 PM
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"I really don't think that there's going to be a lot of acceptance by current customers of the $60 price tag. They may allow that for a limited number of premium titles, but not all."
Amen. Heavy hitters like Elder Scrolls IV have the right to be 60 USD, but something like Rumble Roses XX should be current gen price (If not less...).
As far as flexible storage is concerned, it sounds too good to be true for the time being. I have to hear more. (e3 no doubt.)
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One other way publishers are trying to control costs these days is by including advertising in games. It's a controversial move, one that has riled many core gamers. Iwata said he has tracked the trend, but admits it confuses him somewhat
The companies that do that still charge the same prices, they're not passing the savings on to the consumer. Its bullsh1t from here to infinity.
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"We do not deny the possibility that Nintendo will be doing something like this in the future," he said. "Personally, though, I don't really think it's going to be a significant source of revenue to our industry."
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 29, 2006, 05:13:24 PM
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Post by: Smash_Brother on March 29, 2006, 05:42:14 PM
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Originally posted by: jasonditz
Firewire ports only cost like a quarter per system, so they're not prohibitively expensive. The minor speed difference between the two probably isn't worth the hassle (if they're not bothering to put ethernet ports on the thing), but it would've been nice since I already own the firewire drive.
USB2 would be about on par and it uses the same connector as all USB devices. It may wind up requiring USB2 devices, which are still pretty damn cheap and flexible.
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USB 2.0 has a raw data rate at 480Mbps, and it is rated 40 times faster than its predecessor interface, USB 1.1, which tops at 12Mbps. Originally, USB 2.0 was intended to go only as fast as 240Mbps, but in October 1999, USB 2.0 Promoter Group pumped up the speed to 480Mbps.
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Firewire is still technically faster, but not by a whole lot.
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Performance Comparison - FireWire vs. USB 2.0
Read and write tests to the same IDE hard drive connected using FireWire and then USB 2.0 show:
Read Test:
5000 files (300 MB total) FireWire was 33% faster than USB 2.0
160 files (650MB total) FireWire was 70% faster than USB 2.0
Write Test:
5000 files (300 MB total) FireWire was 16% faster than USB 2.0
160 files (650MB total) FireWire was 48% faster than USB 2.0
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USB2 would be MORE than fast enough for the Rev to load data off it for gaming purposes.
Post by: jasonditz on March 29, 2006, 06:11:53 PM
Speaking of which, I've got a 1.1 USB Zip drive, I wonder if that'd be supported.
Post by: jasonditz on March 29, 2006, 06:16:19 PM
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Originally posted by: KirbySStar
What happens if just in theory your Rev breaks? How do you get all those games you downloaded again? I think Nintendo would have to have people make accounts so they don't have to buy those games all over again.
Pray to God they don't take the iTunes route in this instance. Having to rebuy them all would not be a popular decision.
Post by: ruby_onix on March 29, 2006, 07:19:40 PM
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"I cannot imagine any first party title could be priced for more than $50."
First party Nintendo titles are typically $5-10 cheaper than third party titles, because Nintendo is somehow able to get their games printed without paying a royalty.
So this obviously confirms that Rev games will be $60.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on March 29, 2006, 07:21:53 PM
Heck some people aren't willing to spend that much for name brand games! Today at work a guy wanted "Ultimate Spiderman", i told him it was 60% off (Sam Goody Store Closing) and he said "Wow so how much is it then?", I replied back "$19.99" and he tells me "oh, well no thanks!".
Seriously if a game like that can't sell for $20, no wonder devs won't even take a chance on original games.
Oh and the storage thing is music to my ears! I have a 250gb external hard drive and oddly enough i bet the Rev and the HD are going to look beautiful next to each other...........hmm i think the Rev might actually be the same size, lol, and it would look cool with both of them on their stands!
Post by: BigJim on March 29, 2006, 07:30:47 PM
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I think it's important we all not take Iwata's quote out of context. He says any type of storage CAN be used, but it doesn't mean it will be. It's just a possibility.
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Post by: Artimus on March 29, 2006, 08:35:25 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 29, 2006, 09:57:46 PM
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Can someone explain to me why most first-party DS games cost MORE than third party?
Hehe, that is something I've been wondering. Remember Nintendo stating that in America first party would be 29.99? Seems to me that NIntendo has pulled a sneaky trick on all of us suckers, raising the prices 34.95, but hey at least they are great games. If I all I have do is to get a 4.95$ knife in my back for games like AC, MKDS, and Hunters I'm all for it.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 29, 2006, 10:37:16 PM
Post by: vudu on March 30, 2006, 02:07:33 AM
QuoteBecause most first-party DS games are built from the ground up for the DS. Most third-party DS games are little more than GBA ports with minor touch screen features thrown in for an extra bullet point on the back of the box.
Originally posted by: Artimus
Can someone explain to me why most first-party DS games cost MORE than third party?
Post by: Artimus on March 30, 2006, 03:37:44 AM
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Originally posted by: vuduQuoteBecause most first-party DS games are built from the ground up for the DS. Most third-party DS games are little more than GBA ports with minor touch screen features thrown in for an extra bullet point on the back of the box.
Originally posted by: Artimus
Can someone explain to me why most first-party DS games cost MORE than third party?
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Post by: SS4Gogita on March 30, 2006, 06:35:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
Can someone explain to me why most first-party DS games cost MORE than third party?
Hehe, that is something I've been wondering. Remember Nintendo stating that in America first party would be 29.99? Seems to me that NIntendo has pulled a sneaky trick on all of us suckers, raising the prices 34.95, but hey at least they are great games. If I all I have do is to get a 4.95$ knife in my back for games like AC, MKDS, and Hunters I'm all for it.
Notice those games, though. What do they all have in common? Yeah, they're all WiFi Connection games. That's why those are $35.
Post by: UncleBob on March 30, 2006, 07:34:59 AM
*edit* Neither are Super Princess Peach, Mario and Luigi, Advance Wars, True Swing Golf or Metroid Prime Pinball (although it did come with the rumble pak)
Post by: Plugabugz on March 30, 2006, 08:54:46 AM
OPTIONS!
Now.. who's to wager the totally unlikely option that even iPod is compatible?
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 30, 2006, 10:38:34 AM
Really, I think GBA games should cost 20-25 and they should lower the cost of DS games some.
As for this news, I'm satisfied with it. I didn't really expect Nintendo to up their prices much.
Post by: IceCold on March 30, 2006, 10:45:23 AM
QuoteReally? Interesting..
Originally posted by: Caliban
Indeed we may VGRevolution 'cause i just read on IGN that Iwata said that new partners for the VC have joined after GDC and they will reveal them in the future (E3 I guess).
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