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Title: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on March 24, 2006, 04:15:07 PM
Hudson elaborates on TurboGrafx (PC-Engine) capabilities for Nintendo's upcoming download/emulation service.

According to an announcement by Hudson's Japanese office (link above), the Virtual Console support for TurboGrafx games, announced yesterday, includes both card and CD-ROM games.  The Hudson/NEC-designed system was known as PC-Engine in Japan, where it enjoyed far more success and is remembered for several classic games which were never released elsewhere.  The system underwent numerous revisions, going from a solid-state storage format to a few different CD-ROM formats.    


Today's announcement confirms that the Nintendo Revolution's emulation will cover games stored on ROM cards and at least one of the CD formats, known as CD-ROM2.  Whether the Super CD and Arcade CD formats will be supported is currently not clear.  Hudson notes that more than 670 games were released on the system over the years, 122 of which were published by Hudson itself.    


Aside from expanding the selection of TurboGrafx games that will be available for play on Revolution, this news also gives hope that classic Super CD games such as Dracula X may be among the playable titles.  Some of these PC-Engine games are rare collector's items, fetching high prices even in Japan.  Furthermore, support for CD-ROM games may indicate forthcoming announcements for Virtual Console support of other disc-based platforms.    


Thanks to the GAF crew for the tip!

Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: ShyGuy on March 24, 2006, 04:32:06 PM
Rev is going to need a bigger storage medium. Maybe they will redo the audio and fmv into smaller formats, hmm
Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: Karl Castaneda #2 on March 24, 2006, 04:35:43 PM
Dracula X, eh? Well, Ian, maybe your wish will come true after all.  
Title: RE:Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: Knoxxville on March 24, 2006, 05:00:12 PM
CRIKEY!!  Bring on the Saturn....hell, gimme some Dreamcast too!!
Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: ShyGuy on March 24, 2006, 05:05:33 PM
Oooh, How awesome would it be to play Shenmue on the Rev?
Title: RE:Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: Strell on March 24, 2006, 05:25:31 PM
Please tell me this will mean reprints of some sought after games.

Konami, Rondo of Blood.  Chop chop.

Lol, can you imagine the Revolution section at Ebgames?  Super Smash Bros Online, Metroid 3, and then next to them, a huge section of PC-Engine games.  "Only for the Revolution....mostly."
Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 24, 2006, 05:44:19 PM
Personally, I'd love it if they brought back the Sega CD and 32x games. I was never able to play the 32x games but some of them definitely looked interesting.
Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: UncleBob on March 24, 2006, 05:53:55 PM
Nights anyone?
Title: RE:Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: IceCold on March 24, 2006, 06:07:24 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Oooh, How awesome would it be to play Shenmue on the Rev?
10 years ago someone would have killed you for suggesting that.
Title: RE:Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: JonLeung on March 24, 2006, 06:12:17 PM
More storage space?

Compression?

Some kind of efficient live data streaming?

Some or all of the above?
Title: RE:Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: Louieturkey on March 24, 2006, 06:29:25 PM
Makes you wonder if they are going to increase the amount of internal flash memory on the system then.  If the CD games are available, each of those can be more than 512MB.  I can't wait to try some of those PC Engine games.  I always wanted a TurboGraphix16 and never had the money at the time.  Now I can get them for much cheaper along with Genesis/NES/SNES/N64 games.  Here's hoping Saturn/32X games are available as well.
Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: TMW on March 24, 2006, 06:40:10 PM
Nah...Dreamcast uses GD-ROM. As they go through the trouble of specifying CD-ROM in the press release, I think that means other formats are not included.

That being said, Saturn used CD-ROM, so theoretically, it is possible to have Saturn games.
Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on March 24, 2006, 06:54:42 PM
Many of the early CD-ROM games used uncompressed audio and video clips added to otherwise tiny game programs.  That data could be compressed with modern technology to keep the file sizes quite low.  However, I do think it's quite possible that Nintendo will increase the internal flash storage for Revolution.  You can also buy SD cards for more storage, and those get huge and are reasonably priced.
Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: Ian Sane on March 24, 2006, 07:09:38 PM
" Dracula X, eh? Well, Ian, maybe your wish will come true after all."

YEAH!!!
Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: WuTangTurtle on March 24, 2006, 08:06:39 PM
OMG a positive, short, and simple post from Ian.........has H3LL frozen over?  Just kidding Ian.

I hope CD-I is a format they won't support......and im sorry i even mentioned it, i know the letters "C", "D", and "I" probably make certain people spontaneously barf uncontrollably.  Here's a towel clean urself off.
Title: RE:Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: Aussiedude on March 24, 2006, 08:23:16 PM
Maybe the drive in the rev burns cd/dvd', so it could save it direct to disk. They already mentioned downloaded games have some sort of code that would only allow that game to play on your rev. Sure this would probably allow some sort of piracy, but for older games they probably wouldnt care as much as for the new software.
Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: KDR_11k on March 24, 2006, 08:28:09 PM
Maybe it can read the original media and there will be rereleases of ancient CD games?
Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: Infernal Monkey on March 24, 2006, 09:46:12 PM
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Furthermore, support for CD-ROM games may indicate forthcoming announcements for Virtual Console support of other disc-based platforms






*Pleasure noises*
Title: RE:Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: Wesisapie on March 25, 2006, 01:22:18 AM
this is starting to get crazy... mays well just support every console ever while they are at it.
Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: Infernal Monkey on March 25, 2006, 03:27:27 AM
If by every console you mean every obscure console, then yes!
Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: KDR_11k on March 25, 2006, 03:52:46 AM
Perhaps they will make it possible for the Rev to receive new emulators after it has been released so they could keep adding consoles even after launch...
Title: RE:Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: JonLeung on March 25, 2006, 04:04:53 AM
They should work with SNK and get Neo-Geo games on there.  The King Of Fighters!  And other 2D fighting games!  Come on!

I don't think it'd be impossible to add more emulation later on...I already doubt they'd have everything available all at once anyway, even after they've acquired the rights to the games.  The big games could be deliberately held back for release later.
Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: capamerica on March 25, 2006, 04:49:48 AM
Man I would Love to have all of SNK's games on the Revolution.
Maybe even a few Playstaion 3rd Party exclusives may show up on the Revolution as well *cough*SquareGames*cough*

I don't think Dreamcast games would be to hard to bring over, most Dreamcast games could be backed up to normal CDs and ontop of that you have download game services like GameTap who offers some Dreamcast games for download.
Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: Renny on March 25, 2006, 05:20:33 AM
Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: BigJim on March 25, 2006, 06:50:58 AM
SNK would be cool. I loved King of the Monsters.

The Virtual Console is turning out awesome.
Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: jasonditz on March 25, 2006, 07:15:13 AM
Wow, I hope this means Sega CD will be supported as well. Robo Aleste and Odama on the same system? That'd give people the screwiest ideas about the Warring States period.
Title: RE:Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 25, 2006, 08:18:47 AM
So the TG-16(PCE) card slot is whats under the flap on the front of the Rev?

wouldn't be nice if all old systems could be supported at sone point or another?
Disc based support: TG-16 CD, Sega CD, Saturn, NeoGeo CD, 3DO, CDi and if possible somewhere down the line; a hack to play PSX games.

Virtual Console support: NES, SNES, N64, GB/GBA(wireless transfer to DS), SMS, Genesis/32x, Saturn cartridge add ons, TG16(PCE), NeoGeo, Atari(all versions) & Jaguar.

If all(most) of that could be done on the Rev, it would instantly become the ultimate console!! Everyone(that considered themselves a gamer) would have to own one, on principle alone.
Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: jasonditz on March 25, 2006, 08:25:54 AM
You could play some PS1 games on the Dreamcast, so there's no good reason Nintendo couldn't theoretically support it too if they wanted.
Title: RE:Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: Knoxxville on March 25, 2006, 03:10:03 PM
I remember when I was a wee lad and managed to convice my rich friend (everybody had one....or WERE the one ;p) to get the TurboGraphx over the Genesis.  Man, I should be a lawyer, because the arguements I made were spec-TACK-ular!  Needless to say, I got to play Bonk, Dungeon Explorer, Vigilante, Legendary Axe (SPAUNG!), R-Type, Military Madness, and a great deal others on someone else dollar....now THAT'S GANGSTA!!

Plus they even sprung for the CD upgrade and so I got my Bloody Wolf, Y's, and 'Fighting Street' on....ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, YOUTH!!    
Title: RE:Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: Arbok on March 25, 2006, 03:12:32 PM
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Originally posted by: jasonditz
You could play some PS1 games on the Dreamcast, so there's no good reason Nintendo couldn't theoretically support it too if they wanted.


Except for the fact that the company that made it happen, Bleem, was sued nearly out of existance for doing that until the DC itself died...

http://www.armchairempire.com/Editorials/rip_bleem.htm
Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: KirbySStar on March 25, 2006, 03:20:47 PM
See what I want to know is if they'll let us download Japanese games that never came out over here and just have a label on it saying it isn't in English.  It's nice to have options.
Title: RE:Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: jasonditz on March 25, 2006, 03:38:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
Quote

Originally posted by: jasonditz
You could play some PS1 games on the Dreamcast, so there's no good reason Nintendo couldn't theoretically support it too if they wanted.


Except for the fact that the company that made it happen, Bleem, was sued nearly out of existance for doing that until the DC itself died...

http://www.armchairempire.com/Editorials/rip_bleem.htm


Sony never won that lawsuit, Bleem just didn't have enough money for the legal expenses.
Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: KDR_11k on March 25, 2006, 09:47:38 PM
I think the courts even were in favour of Bleem but well, justice for the rich, persecution for the poor. Large companies can oppress anyone just by dragging out a frivolous lawsuit forever and waiting until the victim can't pay anymore. In theory there's a law against that but in practice it doesn't get invoked and I think it doesn't trigger until the attacker is defeated, which never happens.
Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: ssj4_android on March 26, 2006, 09:38:58 AM
So, I assume this means only game downloads, and not original media? Original media could be cool. Maybe they could even add in old DOS games?
Title: RE:Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: Infernal Monkey on March 26, 2006, 07:42:13 PM
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Originally posted by: KirbySStar
See what I want to know is if they'll let us download Japanese games that never came out over here and just have a label on it saying it isn't in English.  It's nice to have options.


Yeah, Sin and Punishment plz~

Title: RE: Rev to Support CD-ROM Games on Virtual Console
Post by: SgtShiversBen on March 26, 2006, 09:20:20 PM
It's terrible Infernal, I have those four games for the Sega CD....and hot damn, Jurassic Park is freaking AWESOME!!  Playing Phoenix Wright made me pop it back in and beat it...even if I got mauled by dinos again