Post by: ShyGuy on March 17, 2006, 03:30:17 PM
http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,1535,00.html
What do the forum videophiles think? Keep in mind I want this for The Nintendo revolution, so I don't really care about non-related features.
Post by: ThePerm on March 17, 2006, 04:14:34 PM
Post by: MysticGohan on March 17, 2006, 04:32:19 PM
Post by: BigJim on March 17, 2006, 04:51:42 PM
I'm a big fan of the Toshiba "PURE Flat" picture tube TVs (they have an 'F' in their model numbers.) The picture is VERY nice and they have component inputs. You'll save some money too. I had a sweet 20" model before I upgraded to a 32" HDTV version.
Toshiba TVs
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 17, 2006, 05:29:06 PM
Post by: Strell on March 17, 2006, 05:51:34 PM
I haven't tested it out too much yet (just hooked up GC on component cables, woo!), but it really is beautiful. The picture is crisp and clear. Again, not much usage yet, but it is an incredible picture. WAY better than my previous TV, which was some knock-off TV/VCR combo. The blacks could be a bit darker probably, but overall it is leaps and bounds beyond my (now demoralized) TV.
Anyway, all the research I did on it before buying it (about an hour of research online) yielded good results.
The machine itself is beautiful, has a cable management system, a good amount of inputs, and is compact. Aesthetically, quite appealing.
I can let you know more after I play around with different systems tonight if you'd like.
Post by: mantidor on March 17, 2006, 07:08:26 PM
Post by: jasonditz on March 17, 2006, 07:22:11 PM
Personally, I'm probably going for a new TV when the Rev comes out, but I think I'm going to wait until the final specs are announced before I do (you never know). TVs seem to get cheaper and cheaper over time, so unless there's a great sale somewhere, waiting probably is a decent strategy.
Post by: ShyGuy on March 17, 2006, 07:34:50 PM
I'm also looking at this model as well, it's a crt but it looks pretty nice
http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/ArchivedTelevisions_2005/TXR2765AXXAA.asp
Post by: Strell on March 18, 2006, 04:25:39 AM
Shyguy, I'm no audiophile, so to be honest I wouldn't know if it is spectacular or not, but it's definitely a clear sound and can get loud. I did notice that it seemed like some channels will be really quiet, and then others really loud. I don't know if my old TV regulated that sort of thing better (which I highly doubt), if the new one handles audio levels more closely to their original volumes, or if I just didn't notice it until now. I'd say the last option is the most likely.
(Just for kicks, one day I'm planning on getting a sound system from this site: niro1.com. The information on them (and seeing them on some tv show called "I want that!," or so I think it was called that) sounds brilliant. Apparently it's movie theatre quality for a low price. It has a subwoofer, a receiver component, and the main speaker, so it can't get true surround sound, but it still gives left/right/front information. Besides, not having cables running around all over the place pomotes the whole "clean" look thing. Anyway!)
Some other things to mention (not really important, but I'll mention 'em):
It changes channels quickly. My gf has a 15" Magnavox, and there's always lag when you change the channels. Hugely annoying, because you'll punch in, say, 14, and it only reads the 1, so you end up on channel 1. Or you press the channel up button, the number on the screen changes, but it doesn't actually change for a second or two.
It has VGA in, which is pretty cool, simply for the fact that I could attach my computer, which is really cool since I could theoretically (one day) have a Media Center machine hooked up, playing all sorts of things.
It has an "audio only" feature, which goes along well with the VGA in, because you could set up a huge MP3 list, turn off the LCD screen, and hear music for a while. Or just let, say, a trippy screensaver run or something. Whatever.
The remote is ugly and doesn't light up. Also you really do need to aim pretty well for it to work. My old TV, I could point it in the other direction entirely and still change channels. This one is a bit more picky. One day I'll eventually get, say, a Logitech Harmony remote, so this isn't that big of a deal.
It doesn't have HDMI input. So if you are looking to get HD-DVD and/or BluRay, know that you can't use them, period. This is the MPAA's decision and it sucks, but DVD is good enough for me. I don't watch the extras anyway.
It only has two component inputs, but I use a Joytech receiver, which has 7 inputs, so that problem is alleviated. Although if you don't have one, it will be an issue if you have a lot of systems. Also, none of the inputs are in "easy to reach" locations - i.e., none of the front. They are all in the back, and there's a panel you remove to expose them. Personally I love that, as it promotes a very "clean" look, something I am obsessive compulsive over. Headphone port on the front. Neat when someone is sleeping.
It has Picture Flip, so it can be flipped right, upside-down/right, upside-down/left. I guess this is perfect for freaking out drunk and/or high friends. Which means I won't get many chances to abuse that sort of thing.
Hmmm...what else. Has a handle on the back, for all your LCDTV and GC toting needs. Is very light of course.
There seems to be some confusion (to me at least) on what exactly it can output in terms of progressive scan. Most sources say 480i, 480p, and 720p, but I've seen a few places where it says it can do 1080i (which should be "worse" than 1080p I believe). The GC and the Rev won't output past 480p from what I understand (I believe Profession666 said that in my other thread), so this isn't an issue. If you have a 360, you won't get the best quality from what I know. But why would I talk about that here?
Anyway, the manual mentions an 1080 output, but again, that's one of the few places that does. I don't think it really does, I think it's just stock material Sharp might be putting in all their manuals. But it is mentioned at least twice.....I guess it can at least accept the signal, but only outputs to 720p. That might be it. Still a bit confusing.You can switch 4:3 and 16:9 ratios easily in the picture setup. It's just a few presses away. Great for widescreen DVDs.
Lastly, when I got an LCD monitor, it seemed...well, worse than my CRT. But after using it for a while, I think you sort of adjust to it, so that stigma seems to have worn off. Same issue here. You adjust rather quickly.
Oh, and playing Viewtiful Joe on progressive scan? My goodness. I upgraded in the *nick* of time.
Post by: jasonditz on March 18, 2006, 08:35:01 AM
Post by: trip1eX on March 18, 2006, 09:04:24 AM
CRTS have the best picture and are cheap, but are alot bulkier. CRTS also will display regular TV better than lcds.
The best test really is to just look at the TVs thru your own two eyes and try and buy locally so you can return the TV if there's problems.
Also I'm not sure how lcds and gaming mix aka the issue of ghosting. They've come along way in 17-19" range, but from what I read the bigger lcds lag behind in this dept so be aware of that.
Also be aware of the whole input thing. STuff like hi-def dvds might require you to have hdmi inputs for copy protection purposes. Also make sure you have enough inputs for every thing you want to plug into it.
Post by: Nephilim on March 18, 2006, 09:39:46 AM
haha
Buy a pc lcd 19"+ with a no dead pixel policy
then buy a hi-def tv box
rather then a tv lcd or plasma anyday my view
tv versions are normal terriably subpar
Post by: Ian Sane on March 20, 2006, 07:47:34 AM
Personally I would just wait until we know exactly what options Nintendo is going to provide and we actually see some screenshots. I would wait for games as well just to see if you actually want to own a Rev. No point in buying a new TV for a Rev unless you know for sure you will buy a Rev and I would think that even if you're optimistic about it you need to see some games before making an informed decision. That just applies to any console.
Post by: trip1eX on March 20, 2006, 09:58:24 AM
Anyway the OP wanted help with a TV not with whether he should purchase a Revolution or not.
Post by: ShyGuy on March 21, 2006, 07:39:59 AM
Besides, If I got a new television for the Revolution and it turns out I didn't want the new Nintendo console, I guess I would have to throw that new TV away, cause it wouldn't be good for anything else!
Post by: Kairon on March 21, 2006, 07:55:18 AM
Portable lifestyle?
Quality?
Output ports, future-proofing, and versatility?
Price?
The Rev will work on any TV, so it's the least of your worries in buying a new TV.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Strell on March 21, 2006, 08:03:19 AM
Ian is fast becoming a troll. There was no point to that post. None. Just trolling bullsh*t.
No one has to justify their purchase to anyone else on here, especially if they are going to be a condescending jerk about it.
Post by: majortom1981 on March 21, 2006, 08:31:25 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on March 21, 2006, 08:56:47 AM
Well if the games don't look any good what do you need a fancy TV to view them on with? Now they'll probably look fine. I was using a screenshot as an example of information that we do not have about the Rev yet but an informed consumer would need to know ahead of time. A screenshot can represent games that we want which is the whole reason to buy a console. "Wait until we see some screenshots" means "wait until we know more".
"Besides, If I got a new television for the Revolution and it turns out I didn't want the new Nintendo console, I guess I would have to throw that new TV away, cause it wouldn't be good for anything else!"
You made it sound like the whole reason for purchasing a new TV was for the Rev and if the Rev didn't exist you otherwise wouldn't feel the need to buy a new TV. So if that's your reason for buying a new TV then I suggest you wait because even if you still get a Rev the TV you want might be cheaper then. If you want the TV anyway then go for it.
I looked at it like how some people will buy a console for a specific game and that game hasn't even come out yet. And then later the game gets canned or it doesn't turn out to be that good and they feel like they wasted their money.
Post by: Kairon on March 21, 2006, 09:06:05 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I looked at it like how some people will buy a console for a specific game and that game hasn't even come out yet. And then later the game gets canned or it doesn't turn out to be that good and they feel like they wasted their money.
That's good advice, because when you feel like you've been given the 'ol bait and switch and you've wasted your money, you start to develop latent negative energy around you and before you know it you're Ian, who still isn't happy with how Nintendo sold off Rare and tried but failed to fill in the void that left in their exclusive game library for the GC he bought expecting Rare-type games.
You don't want to become Ian now do you?
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: ShyGuy on March 21, 2006, 09:11:45 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on March 21, 2006, 11:49:32 AM
Well I did want Pikmin and Rogue Leader so when I bought the console there were games I wanted on it.
Post by: wandering on March 21, 2006, 07:05:19 PM
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I would wait for games as well just to see if you actually want to own a Rev. No point in buying a new TV for a Rev unless you know for sure you will buy a Rev and I would think that even if you're optimistic about it you need to see some games before making an informed decision. That just applies to any console.
I don't see the logic in this at all. People knew GameCube's first zelda game would be great when GameCube came out. People knew the game was great when it came out. Yet, in between those two times, people 'knew' the game would suck. And why? Because they saw screenshots.
Post by: animecyberrat on March 21, 2006, 08:20:02 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on March 22, 2006, 07:11:03 AM
So we have a console that's big selling point is a theoretical concept that none of us have even tried. This concept has no demonstrations of it's abilities whatsoever and we have no idea what games that use it will even play like. You don't see the logic in waiting for a little more information before commiting yourself to a purchase in this situation?
Post by: animecyberrat on March 22, 2006, 07:20:50 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on March 22, 2006, 07:46:56 AM
You don't know the pricing for the Virtual Console. Would you be excited by it if NES games cost like $20? Are you going to like Smash Bros Online if the controls are completely changed to use the remote? These are the sort of things we still need to know.
Post by: Kairon on March 22, 2006, 08:36:51 AM
What a lot of us are though is cautiously optomistic and anticipating a future situation that would involve us buying a Rev. Seriously, we think we're gonna buy one and we're planning for that possibility. But that doesn't mean we're zombified consumers in dire need of your condecension to be told how to not dive into a purchase without looking first, I mean, c'mon. Geez.
Except for shyguy, he asked for specifically for such advice, lol.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: ShyGuy on March 22, 2006, 11:01:19 AM
Post by: Kairon on March 22, 2006, 02:49:14 PM
Anyways, sorry I haven't been much help Shyguy. I'm not much of a videophile or audiophile. All I can say is that I consider it a waste of money to pay for flat screen technology unless you absolutely need that sort of luxury. Today's CRT TVs are big enough to suit regular watching and gaming, and CRT is a dependable technology. I mean, you really gotta work hard to screw up something that established.
I remember my folks bought a 24" CRT non-flat-screen (some CRTs have flat screens, big whoop for useless features since they're still the same big fat tv) for something like $160 bucks at Circuit City. It's even from budget brand Apex. It worked fine for whatever we needed it for, we're not power-users at all. The most we ask of a TV is it works just like our 10-year-old receiver and sound system. I swear, some of our old surround sound speakers are as big as our TV, they're THAT old, lol.
But they work. And we're not audiophiles or videophiles who care about anything other than that.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: wandering on March 22, 2006, 10:10:11 PM
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So we have a console that's big selling point is a theoretical concept that none of us have even tried. This concept has no demonstrations of it's abilities whatsoever and we have no idea what games that use it will even play like. You don't see the logic in waiting for a little more information before commiting yourself to a purchase in this situation?
What I meant was, hands-on impressions with final hardware is the only thing that ought to factor in to the decision at this point. Screenshots or early pricing predicitions or whatever other information that comes out between now and launch could be more misleading than informative. Until then, the important thing is that we know that the system will feature Nintedo-designed games which will almost certainly be great.
Anyway. On topic. I don't know much about this stuff, but I love Toshiba's flat CRTs which BigJim reccommended.
Post by: BigJim on March 23, 2006, 06:43:12 AM
The Toshiba "Pure Flat" CRTs are *nice.*CRTs are still the gold standard for overall video quality IMHO. Unless you need to move the TV around often, who cares if it's heavy, IMO. Either way it goes on a TV stand where my consoles, Tivo, DVD player, movies, and games are anyway. Being light enough to hang on the wall isn't that much of a benefit when the floor space is already taken up.
Post by: vudu on March 23, 2006, 08:01:12 AM
Post by: BigJim on March 23, 2006, 08:16:24 AM
That's about it.In Toshiba's case, their flat screens use different tech/engineering than their non-flat ones. If you see them side by side, the picture on the flats look better. Sharper, cleaner picture. That's not necessarily true for all flat CRTs. Just something I know about Toshiba's.
Post by: jasonditz on March 24, 2006, 05:25:06 AM
The fact that the display Rev at the GDC only has a single video output port makes me think it might be wise to wait until after E3 when we have a better idea exactly what the Rev is supporting as far as modes and ports.
Post by: GregLee on March 29, 2006, 10:43:54 AM
Post by: vudu on March 29, 2006, 10:51:06 AM
Post by: zakkiel on March 29, 2006, 11:16:21 AM
QuoteI wouldn't, if I were you, no matter what the price of the TV. For a good projector the lightbulb alone costs $1,500
Originally posted by: Professional 666
seeing those prices... i'm getting a projector.
Post by: GregLee on March 29, 2006, 11:17:44 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
I think it's just assumed because the Cube does. As much as I'm not a graphics whore, it would be kind of sad if the GameCube can output at a higher resolution than the Revolution.
But the Cube doesn't output 480p --- not since early 2004 when Nintendo dropped the Digital AV Out port. That's why I thought it was worth mentioning.
Post by: BigJim on March 29, 2006, 11:30:08 AM
Edit: Linky to Iwata 480p discussion
Post by: GregLee on March 29, 2006, 12:01:59 PM
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Originally posted by: BigJim Iwata, soon after the "No HD" scandal, said 480p would remain the standard.
So he does. Thanks for the reference.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 29, 2006, 01:49:14 PM
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Originally posted by: zakkielQuoteI wouldn't, if I were you, no matter what the price of the TV. For a good projector the lightbulb alone costs $1,500
Originally posted by: Professional 666
seeing those prices... i'm getting a projector.
BUT BUT
BIG SKREEN
and i don't have to buy a SUPER projector. Just the minimum for my 480p gaming and 1024x768 PC and other 4:3 desires.
and InFocus' lamps aren't that outrageously priced.
http://infocus.com/Products/Accessories/Lamps.aspx
Post by: Caliban on August 02, 2006, 05:29:54 PM
Recently I've been thinking of getting a new TV for my room, and I am leaning my purcahse for this one http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0770HDS0010061666&catid= . Obviously I want your opinions on it, but I would really like to know is how does it actually work if I have a GC or Wii plugged in running through component cables, I mean will it display gamesin 480p or will it try to upconvert?
Post by: Ceric on August 02, 2006, 07:43:27 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on August 02, 2006, 09:03:12 PM
Post by: 31 Flavas on August 03, 2006, 07:30:15 AM
QuoteOk, well, ... aside from Ian rampaging back in and making a fool of himself again, here is what I know.
Originally posted by: Caliban
Recently I've been thinking of getting a new TV for my room, and I am leaning my purcahse for this one [url snip] . Obviously I want your opinions on it, but I would really like to know is how does it actually work if I have a GC or Wii plugged in running through component cables, I mean will it display gamesin 480p or will it try to upconvert?
Dunno, if it's going to do any converting, but I *have* heard about HD-TV's having lag and/or being manufactured with "game" inputs to get around said "lag". I think it only affects a select few or specific types though. Since in all of my testing of my Gamecube on HD-tv's at walmart, bestbuy, CC, etc.. I never experienced said lag and the picture always looked brilliant.
The one thing I did notice and want you to be aware of though is large projection screen HDTV's will sometime's LOCK into 16:9 aspect ratio when fed a progressive video signal. Which means if your Wii or GC game is 4:3 and can't be switched to 16:9, the TV will not allow itself to be put in 4:3. Not all projection hdtv's do it, but I did notice it when I was browsing tv's awhile ago.
Post by: Caliban on August 03, 2006, 10:45:05 AM
As for the 4:3 problem, thatnks for telling me and I am going to take that into consideration when I go buy it. I organized myself to ask several questions, like service plans, and etc...so I think I'm pretty much prepared.
Post by: MaryJane on August 03, 2006, 12:16:06 PM
Opinions?
Post by: Caliban on August 03, 2006, 01:12:23 PM
DLP has its own set of side-effects too but it was a 50" and at the same price as the plasma. I'm gonna have to delay my buy but only because the sale ends today at FS, and I didn't notice it before, bummer.
Post by: Ceric on August 03, 2006, 06:06:25 PM
