Post by: archioverload on March 15, 2006, 02:31:35 AM
http://business.bostonherald.com/technologyNews/view.bg?articleid=130605
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"The PlayStation 3 is critical for Sony Corp.’s profits and brand image, so the delay is a major setback for the Japanese electronics and entertainment company as it struggles to mount a recovery after several years of poor earnings.
The reports sent Sony’s stock tumbling 1.8 percent to 5,470 yen ($46) Wednesday. Kutaragi announced the decision after the close of the Tokyo Stock Exchange.
The new timeline means that the PlayStation 3 will still hit store shelves simultaneously in Japan, North America and Europe, just in time for Christmas.
Kutaragi said Sony is still trying to finalize the copyright protection technology and other standards for the Blu-ray DVD disc, the format for PlayStation 3, and next-generation video for the company’s electronics gadgets in the works."
So...what does this mean for Revolution?
Post by: Strell on March 15, 2006, 02:56:22 AM
Post by: Pale on March 15, 2006, 04:12:11 AM
Post by: BigJim on March 15, 2006, 04:14:35 AM
It was absolutely not just a BRD issue. There are virtually no games finished to launch with, even if they did launch in Spring. There would be a couple titles, but then the system would be dead for 6 months while developers caught up. How the heck would developers finish games without final dev kits?
BRD is part of it, but they didn't evolve game development any faster either. If the BRD issues were resolved tomorrow, they still couldn't do Spring because the dev kits wouldn't allow it to happen.
Anyway, I'm skeptical. They would love to do a worldwide launch. I think there will be territorial delays by a few weeks. Sorry Europe.
I'm not confident in their "2 million" for launch figure, and I think we'll see a shortage through the holiday.The cue to Nintendo in all of this is simple... Expect "something" from Sony in November. Expect Halo 3 from MS. Since Revolution is easier to make, ramp up production and outdo Sony in volume. They will sell through if they make them. I mean, it's only the launch window and Sony will catch up, but I think they can be as aggressive as they were with the DS launch and it'd pay off.
Post by: RiskyChris on March 15, 2006, 04:16:20 AM
Post by: capamerica on March 15, 2006, 04:23:53 AM
Also the price for the "basic" PS3 was announced and its going to be $425. We don't know what a "Basic" PS3, people are assuming its going to be like the Xbox360 Core. But its going to be priced higher then the Xbox360 Premium. Rumor going around is that the "Basic" PS3 won't have Blu-Ray Video playback and no built in HDD (which Sony is saying is going to be required.)
I Don't know what Sony is thinking.
Post by: Pale on March 15, 2006, 04:30:46 AM
If the HDD is required they sure as hell better include it.
Post by: BigJim on March 15, 2006, 05:09:53 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 15, 2006, 05:29:36 AM
QuoteHey, sometimes its good to be your own souce
Originally posted by: BigJim
The 60 GB HDD is official and in every system. Where is this "basic" price announcement and stuff? I haven't seen that anywhere from any news source. Nobody's reporting that.
.I'm really starting to believe that PS3 will be to Sony as the N64 was to Nintendo, definately not a failure, but obviously not the "run away" success they were hoping for.
Arrogance fails us once again...
Post by: capamerica on March 15, 2006, 05:45:54 AM
http://www.gamersreports.com/news/1746/
So I'm not 100% sure how true it is. You would asume that if it was announced that IGN and other sites would have reported it as well.
Post by: BigJim on March 15, 2006, 06:21:55 AM
"I'm really starting to believe that PS3 will be to Sony as the N64 was to Nintendo, definately not a failure, but obviously not the "run away" success they were hoping for. Arrogance fails us once again..."
Agreed... Next gen won't be as one-sided as this generation. Anybody can take this one if they don't screw up.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 15, 2006, 06:45:40 AM
I expect that price to go down quite a bit before launch, remember Saturn vs. PS1?
Post by: ShyGuy on March 15, 2006, 06:47:40 AM
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Originally posted by: RiskyChris
Reggie has to strike now, and Nintendo wins.
Finish Him!!
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 15, 2006, 07:55:52 AM
I don't like that at all. This PS3 thing is just getting out of hand. I think Sony decided to make the UBER-SYSTEM, but I really feel it is going to be too expensive and have too many functions to it to be successful.
Its just like what Sony is pushing with the PSP. It is moving it further and further away from gaming with its new added features, and some of the features are just stupid. PSone downloads? why bother.
Post by: Ian Sane on March 15, 2006, 08:25:13 AM
I think ideally if you include a hard drive there should be limits on how much space each game can use for permanent storage. Everything stored should be able to be moved to a memory card so that you can remove items from your hard drive without losing them. And there should be protected space specifically for temporary storage that occurs while you're playing but doesn't stay. I forget the term but some Xbox devs used it to speed up load times. Considing the expense of a hard drive and how it likely can't be replaced you can't just allow devs to do whatever they want or they'll make bloatware.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 15, 2006, 09:17:01 AM
You can never have too much space, a 60GB HDD is not really more expensive than a 20GB HDD, Sony is alledgedly planning a download service for PS1 and PS2 games, could be used to hold music or video files, etc.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 15, 2006, 01:42:37 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I think ideally if you include a hard drive there should be limits on how much space each game can use for permanent storage. Everything stored should be able to be moved to a memory card so that you can remove items from your hard drive without losing them. And there should be protected space specifically for temporary storage that occurs while you're playing but doesn't stay. I forget the term but some Xbox devs used it to speed up load times. Considing the expense of a hard drive and how it likely can't be replaced you can't just allow devs to do whatever they want or they'll make bloatware.
The term you're thinking of is "swap space".
It sounds like Sony believes they can replace the PC, which is so idiotic there are no words for it.
More and more, it sounds like the PS3 is going to be a giant, bloated disaster.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 15, 2006, 03:00:01 PM
=D
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 15, 2006, 03:30:38 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
the "Hindentanic"
You, sir, are a credit to the human race.
I'll be using that term everywhere...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 15, 2006, 04:16:29 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 15, 2006, 04:25:49 PM
Having recently watched a few Ducktails episodes, I noticed there were quite a few adult jokes hidden in the otherwise innocuous children's show. Such as a beagle boy saying "It'll be good to be number one. I'm sick of being treated like number two." and how "Launchpad's joyrider only goes up and down." Rescue Rangers has similar innuendo.
Now I want to watch more of them to see if I catch more jokes which I missed when I was a kid...
Post by: mantidor on March 15, 2006, 04:40:04 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
LOL that name is from a DuckTales episode!
The more reason to give you the title of credit to the human race
ducktales=
Post by: Talon on March 15, 2006, 05:37:29 PM
This is where nintendo is at an advantage as it would literally only take seconds to download NES and SNES games and minutes for N64 games.
A few other factors that could also limit people's usage of SONY's download service for ps1 and ps2 games:
- Anyone with a 56k connection.
- Most highspeed internet connection plans here in Australia have download limits (i'll make the assumption that many other ISP's around the world do the same thing).
- Countries like Australia have slower highspeed internet due to their infrastructure unlike some other countries.
- There is no pick up and play per se. If im in the mood to play Super Mario Bros 3 for example I will be able to download it straight away pretty much and start playing. But if im in the mood to play final fantasy 7 I may have to wait a couple of hours and then I might no longer be in the mood to play it.
- The percentage of PS3 owners that will have a broadband connection
Ok I think its great that SONY is willing to offer this service to its fans but overall i just don't think at this point in time it is really feasible.
Post by: IceCold on March 15, 2006, 05:42:24 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on March 15, 2006, 06:56:46 PM
Post by: wandering on March 15, 2006, 10:09:30 PM
On topic: the one thing that really interested me from the briefing: Linux will be pre-installed on every ps3 hdd. (link
Post by: Arbok on March 15, 2006, 11:01:24 PM
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Originally posted by: Pale
It means that every x-box fan on this planet is already claiming victory. I'm so sick of random cheerleading....
I don't know, a quick pass through the comments in that link posted...
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HAHAHAH!! everybody say "gnagnagna... PS3 will be delayed..." FALSE!!! SONY is teh BETTER!! The worldwide launching!! HAHA! NOVEMBER The revolution of video game (The PS3) is coming soon!
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when a console like "X360 " comes out soon then surely it has lots of problem.but sony is perfect in any electronic stuffs.so no matter ps3 comes late cuz they wanna make another perfect console like olders ones.when u wanna collection of hardware u shud wait.
Quite honestly, I think Gamespot has picked up even worse fanboys than Gamefaqs had...
Also, about the Hard Drive: if it is required to play games, as Sony said, and if they sell it seperatly like possibly hinted at in the article, then Sony has already lost. The hardcore gamers will follow, but the casuals will never agree to slap down a seperate $80-100 for the HD. Of course I don't think they will end up selling the system without it, but why they are even toying with that idea is beyond me and it's sending out a very bad message to those interested in the console.
Post by: SixthAngel on March 16, 2006, 05:28:31 AM
Post by: vudu on March 16, 2006, 08:11:55 AM
QuotePerhaps Sony is planning on selling multiple sizes. If they did this, it might make more sense to sell the PS3 by itself and then sell two or three hard drive sizes rather than sell two or three PS3 & hard drive bundles.
Also, about the Hard Drive: if it is required to play games, as Sony said, and if they sell it seperatly like possibly hinted at in the article, then Sony has already lost.
I think Xbox 360's core and premium packages is more confusing that the above scenerio.
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 16, 2006, 10:57:18 AM
You say, but hey they cost the same price...and they do, but if you do it this way, you can get people to fork over more money for the larger harddrive.
