Post by: codyy on February 26, 2003, 11:42:25 AM
10
10
1-....huh?... You're kidding...no! a 9.5!!!
While that is still an excellent score, I believe it should have gotten all tens. Grand Theft Auto did. How such an innovative superb game could be outscored by GTA: VC is beyond me. So let's all e-mail Dan Hsu (Mr. 9.5) and complain.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on February 26, 2003, 11:44:45 AM
(iim ttrying to control my angerr)
Post by: babble on February 26, 2003, 11:46:33 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on February 26, 2003, 11:47:33 AM
Post by: RahXephon on February 26, 2003, 11:48:11 AM
Post by: Razex on February 26, 2003, 11:52:37 AM
Oh SH!T GTA:VC got a perfect score from EGM....burn their headquarters!
Post by: Infernal Monkey on February 26, 2003, 11:53:42 AM
Oh hell no. Lets all burn our magazines and send whoever the hell thought the game wasn't the best thing since sliced bread death threats! Or how about we Sub7 him? Yeah! That'd teach him for having an opinion!
We could hack his computer and cry like girls.
Who cares if the game didn't get straight 10's? It was damn close.
The people who reviewed GTA III might of all felt it was worthy of perfect scores. This Dan fellow might of thought Zelda: WW was not a worthy 10.
Let it be.
Post by: RickPowers on February 26, 2003, 12:43:03 PM
Post by: NickNiteQ93 on February 26, 2003, 01:35:46 PM
Ok, I can name PLENTY of glitches in the game. First, it freezes at particular spots. Second, the controls, although very useful, aren't very responsive. Third, it's EGM. I can name plenty of other mags that are stuck up Sony's and MS's butt. Don't worry about it. 9.5 is alot better than what I thought it'd get. I figured that since they usually don't like inovative, rock hard games that it'd get like a 9.0 or maybe an 8.5. But I'm happy with that score. Peace
Post by: Sean on February 26, 2003, 02:03:55 PM
If the sailing and the ease with which Zelda is beaten is THAT big of a deal to Mark (I believe he's the one who gave it a 9.5), so what? I mean, I was a little surprised by it, but if you're going to get angry about one guy not thinking a game was a true 10, then more power to you, but what's the use? Furthermore, who says you can compare GTAVC's score with Zelda's? You can't. Different systems, different expectations, different games.
As far as I'm concerned, he basically did give it a 10 because his issues with it were so niggling. He flatly says, "It's one of the most unique and enjoyable games ever--play it. " If you still think the score matters that much, then you're missing the point that anyone who goes only on scores (or only on reviews period) isn't the kind of gamer who would buy Zelda in the first place because he's a mindless moron.
The best part is this: NONE OF YOU HAVE PLAYED THE GAME. Now, there's no way you KNOW you'd give it a 10 unless you're so impressionable that you follow what the critics say to the latter. How about sending those emails to Shoe AFTER YOU'VE PLAYED AND BEATEN THE GAME? Then at least you'll have something to go on more than what you HOPE the score is.
EDIT: And I'm really sick of this attitude that if you don't agree with a review, it must be that the writers are "stuck up another company's butt" to quote an oft-repeated phrase seen above. Hello? THEY GAVE IT NEARLY A PERFECT SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!! That .5 can't mean that much to you. Have a look at the this month's XBOX scores and tell me if EGM is stuck up MS's butt. I seriously don't see any partisanship going on at EGM, at least any more than you can expect. I'd hate to see half the people who write posts like those above writing for a huge mag like EGM--it'd be "Sony SUX!" and "M$ GETS BENT!" in nearly every review. For all the flaws of human beings, the writers at EGM and countless other publications do a darn good job of keeping their inherent and always-present biases at bay. Start reading your own posts every once in a while--see who's biased then.
Post by: rodtod on February 26, 2003, 02:18:22 PM
I think we should take this with a grain of salt. True, we Nintendo fans have been getting a huge dose of sodium chloride lately, figuratively speaking, but we must always remember that opinions are not usually stated to please others. They exist because each of us has a unique way of viewing things. This guy who gave Wind Waker a 9.5 must have a pretty screwy perspective on life, but there ya go.
Edit: and when you think about it, saying GTA:VC doesn't deserve a perfect score is as much an opinionated remark as saying Zelda: WW does.
Post by: Sean on February 26, 2003, 02:24:07 PM
I like what you have to say here. I really do.
Whether it's a publicity-stunt or not, Nintendo fans need to (now employing self-help phrasings) " RISE ABOVE IT. " Can I have an AMEN or WHAT??? Way to go, Rod. You're my hero, now. Now and forever.*
*Okay, not forever, and I won't say you're my hero because that'll hurt Jerry Mathers's feelings. However, I like what you say here. Yes.
PS--What do you mean you don't know who Jerry Mathers is, ForumUserWhoDoesn'tKnowWhoJerryMathersIs?
Post by: AManatee on February 26, 2003, 02:24:44 PM
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Originally posted by: RahXephon
well we did hear that the boat ride from diffrent islands was tedious after awhile, maybe he was one of the peole who really didn't like that.
Vice City's not perfect either.
Post by: VideoGamerJ on February 26, 2003, 02:42:30 PM
Post by: Locke Cole on February 26, 2003, 02:47:37 PM
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Originally posted by: NickNiteQ93
LOL Vice City got ALL 10's?????????
Ok, I can name PLENTY of glitches in the game. First, it freezes at particular spots. Second, the controls, although very useful, aren't very responsive. Third, it's EGM. I can name plenty of other mags that are stuck up Sony's and MS's butt. Don't worry about it. 9.5 is alot better than what I thought it'd get. I figured that since they usually don't like inovative, rock hard games that it'd get like a 9.0 or maybe an 8.5. But I'm happy with that score. Peace
In addtion to those glitches he named I can name one more. THE COPS CAN SHOOT YOU THROUGH WALLS!!! I dont understand how EGM can give a game a perfect score with glitches, and then not give Zelda a perfect score. I mean they didn't name any glitches in Zelda. But GTAVC has plenty of glitches that interfere with playing the game, and I know someone is going to tell me that the guy didn't like riding in the boat. Well at least you can ride the boat without it disapearing. If you don't believe me about the glitches go to Extended Play's GTA:VC review
QuoteMy favorite quote from the review.
This causes the frustration level to skyrocket for anyone trying to play "GTA: VC" as a game, rather than using it as a toy to play around with.
Post by: RahXephon on February 26, 2003, 05:41:47 PM
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Originally posted by: RahXephon
well we did hear that the boat ride from diffrent islands was tedious after awhile, maybe he was one of the peole who really didn't like that.
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Vice City's not perfect either."
Oh, trust me i know it is not. But it could have been a diffrent reviewer who did the score, and like i said, he could have bee one of the people who were REALLY frustrated with that. Like there is that one song everyone likes but you. Maybe that something just personally made him mad.
Anyway, isn't it getting the score else where too. I thought IGN gave it 10-10-9.5
Post by: FFantasyFX on February 26, 2003, 07:13:01 PM
).As rodtod (hey rodtod!
) and Sean perfectly explained, a 9.5 is nothing to get upset about. Reviews are ultimately the reviewer's entirely subjective opinions on that game. If other staff members on EGM had reviewed Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, perhaps it wouldn't have gotten a Platinum Award. If Shoe (or some other staff member) would have reviewed Wind Waker instead of Mark, maybe it would have gotten a Platinum Award. If I would have been on EGM's staff in 1998 and reviewed Ocarina, it wouldn't have gotten a platinum award. Woulda, shoulda, coulda . . . Entirely too much emphasis and expectation is placed on reviews nowadays.VideoGamerJ: SMS got a 9.5-9.5-9.5, which in my opinion is a pretty fair evaluation.
Post by: Grey Ninja on February 26, 2003, 07:46:20 PM
Post by: theaveng on February 27, 2003, 01:56:53 AM
QuoteOnly perfect games should get perfect 10s. And Zelda: WW is not perfect.
Originally posted by: codyy
EGM has rated the legend of Zelda a:
10
10
1-....huh?... You're kidding...no! a 9.5!!!.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 27, 2003, 02:27:55 AM
Yeah, neither is GTA: Vice City or Halo, but EGM obviously felt they deserved perfect 10's. Obviously they don't follow your mantra.
Post by: RahXephon on February 27, 2003, 06:36:07 AM
Post by: Koopa Troopa on February 27, 2003, 09:43:32 AM
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Only perfect games should get perfect 10s. And Zelda: WW is not perfect.
Did you actually read any of the posts here? Nobody is mad because it got a 9.5. tThey are mad because GTA:VC, the POS addon for the worlds worst game, got perfect 10s.
Post by: Ian Sane on February 27, 2003, 09:58:11 AM
Notice this "highest score means it's perfect" thing only comes up with videogames? If a critic gives a movie five stars no one says the movie is perfect. It's just a really great movie worthy of the highest praise. Book reviews and music reviews are the same thing. You never read a review in a newspaper where a movie critic gives a movie ****3/4 and say they would have given it ***** but "no film is perfect".
Wind Waker isn't a perfect game but it's probably still worthy of a perfect score. Vice City and Halo aren't perfect games either but their perfect score doesn't mean that. If EGM gives a game all tens it means that they are giving it the highest recommendation they can give. That's it.
I do think Vice City is a little overrated though. If Nintendo released a sequel that cookie cutter without fixing some of the major flaws (like aiming) they would have been murdered by critics. Not fairly (why does Nintendo have to always be original but EA can release the same sports game every year?) but they still would have.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 27, 2003, 10:20:47 AM
ialso agree with Koopa- a 9.5 is a GREAT score, but why did Vice City and Halo and Gran Turismo 3 get perfect scores over Wind Waker? I bet even Metroid Prime, my 5th favorite game, is not even as good or as polished as Wind Waker.
Post by: codyy on February 27, 2003, 11:36:07 AM
Post by: 3_MaSteRPIeCE on February 28, 2003, 04:02:48 PM
It was very unfanboyish and it comes to show how great Zelda will be.
I mean, who cares so much about this score? maybe the people that are insecure about getting zelda.
but i sure am not in hell afraid to get zelda because in my mind i'd give it straight 10's probably myself.
Post by: theaveng on March 01, 2003, 02:25:13 AM
Quote"Get a life" is the comment that immedicately springs to mind. I mean, c'mon, do you really think a 9.5 is going to affect Zelda sales?!?!? Will it affect your enjoyment of the game?!?!? Jeez, I wish my life was so simplistic that all I had to worry about was a lousy -0.5 less than GTA: Vice City. But no, I'm an adult. I have more important things to worry about. Like paying my ~$1000 a month in bills, finding another job after getting laid off, and then kissing the bosses' butt so I can hang onto that job so I don't have to go on welfare.
Originally posted by: Koopa TroopaQuoteDid you actually read any of the posts here? Nobody is mad because it got a 9.5. tThey are mad because GTA:VC, the POS addon for the worlds worst game, got perfect 10s.
Only perfect games should get perfect 10s. And Zelda: WW is not perfect.
And you're all high-blood-pressure boy because Zelda got a cumulative score of 29.5 instead of 30? "Get a life." Go play Zelda's Master Quest. This -0.5 less than Vice City is trivial BS.
Post by: Stex on March 01, 2003, 02:08:12 PM
"I am not mad at the 9.5. I am mad because a piece of crap like Vice City gets a perfect score while Zelda doesn't. It's like that girl you had a crush on back in high school who would only go out with the most worthless men she could find. It's insulting. "
How the hell is it insulting? VC is not worthless, and Zelda is not perfect, come on now. Reviews are SUBJECTIVE, meaning they are OPINIONS. Why do people get their panties all up in a bunch over stuff like this? Ughhhhh.....
And what is so innovative about WW anyways? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's going to be amazing but nothing really caught my eye as being really innovative like OoT was.
Post by: strat on March 01, 2003, 03:34:48 PM
Let it be. You haven't even played Zelda yet. One person's opinion shouldn't get people so upset. It's a game. Plus, I think GTA:VC deserved three 10's *Shields face*
Post by: GoldShadow on March 01, 2003, 05:02:32 PM
Post by: 3_MaSteRPIeCE on March 01, 2003, 05:38:35 PM
Post by: Stex on March 01, 2003, 06:10:10 PM
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Originally posted by: NickNiteQ93
LOL Vice City got ALL 10's?????????
Ok, I can name PLENTY of glitches in the game. First, it freezes at particular spots. Second, the controls, although very useful, aren't very responsive. Third, it's EGM. I can name plenty of other mags that are stuck up Sony's and MS's butt. Don't worry about it. 9.5 is alot better than what I thought it'd get. I figured that since they usually don't like inovative, rock hard games that it'd get like a 9.0 or maybe an 8.5. But I'm happy with that score. Peace
Note the use of "innovative, rock hard". Not just from him either, I hear it thrown around a lot....some games are worthy of being called truly innovative, many are not and they're called that anyway. I dunno, just a bit of a peeve of mine.
Post by: 3_MaSteRPIeCE on March 02, 2003, 05:33:50 PM
What's so innovative about WW....... i dunno maybe those type of cel-shaded graphics are a first. Maybe revolutionary?
i dunno i never played the thing. I have halo too, although it is a great game, I've played through nearly avery single N64(best fps console) fps, and didn't find it revolutionary.
a lot of things were on other fps. evolutionary would be what i'd say it is. Maybe the same with WW. just evolutionary.
Post by: X-Box Nemesis on March 04, 2003, 01:37:46 AM
Thats weird.the game should get 10/10.
Post by: Cashcow on March 04, 2003, 09:11:12 AM
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Originally posted by: X-Box Nemesis
But,the game is cool,and needs a 10/10.how come GTA gets 10/10 while zelda gets 9.5/10????
Thats weird.the game should get 10/10.
Why does it matter what that reviewer gave it? Like a 9.5 is bad? And why do you care how he liked it, if you know that you will?
Post by: Zeth on March 04, 2003, 09:39:11 AM
anyway, EGM is really stupid.
Post by: 3_MaSteRPIeCE on March 04, 2003, 12:25:02 PM
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Originally posted by: Zeth
just because they gave vice city scores it didn't deserve doesn't mean wind waker should get a 10. They also gave majora's mask scores it didn't deserve!!!
anyway, EGM is really stupid.
that makes your post bs.
Post by: BoMbErMaN123 on March 05, 2003, 07:58:39 PM
Post by: AtomPowerd on March 07, 2003, 09:16:40 AM
"Which side are you on? I doesn't really matter if you're not sided with me."
Personally, I respect Mark's honesty. Most people would be tempted to look past any flaws the game may have just because the game hapens to be a Zelda. I think the scores were fair. As they usually are. Just look at the game of the year in that same issue: Metroid Prime. Game Informer (another honest publication imho) barely put it on their list.
You really shouldn't accuse EGM of all people of having their heads up anybodies butt. They're one of the very few mainstream magazines who have a long history of credibility. They're quite possibly the most respected multi-platform games magazine out there. They have guts and when something sucks they'll say it. They were the first to really decry PS2's crappy launch lineup, they pushed for the out-of-vogue and dying Dreamcast, and (although I don't agree with their decision) they actually took a stance on which console to buy at launch when everybody else was saying either "get both" or "they're both pretty good, so it's really up to you." I'd choose them over any other magazine to give me advice on what to play.
Of course I could be a bit biased here... I've ran to the bathroom five times (seriously, five) while writing this and the only friend I've had with me is my EGM.
Post by: HappyMaskSalesman on March 07, 2003, 01:07:17 PM
BTW, EGM ain't the best thing you can get. I'd check out a little hole in the wall named planetgamecube.com
Post by: JoeFalco on March 09, 2003, 10:11:11 PM
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Post by: thecubedcanuck on March 12, 2003, 02:32:12 AM
How the hell can you say what Zelda deserves when you havent even played the game yet?
This guy has played the f'in game. He gave his opinion. He was very detailed and honest in those opinions.
Now grow up.
Once you have played the game then you can talk, untill then his opinion is worth a hell of a lot more than yours.
Post by: Cashcow on March 12, 2003, 09:30:02 AM
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Once you have played the game then you can talk, untill then his opinion is worth a hell of a lot more than yours.
Even after they play the game, they still shouldn't be complaining about a score that a reviewer gave it. No one can prove an opinion to be wrong.
Post by: The Omen on March 17, 2003, 06:10:19 PM
Post by: boggy b on March 18, 2003, 11:09:23 AM
Play the game, and enjoy it. Don't rant at someone because they gave a game that you apparently only live to play a lower than perfect score.
Post by: SirX-Wolf on March 18, 2003, 12:56:12 PM
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