Post by: Tim_p on February 20, 2006, 09:38:06 AM
I'm shocked. All the rumors were true!
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 20, 2006, 09:49:31 AM
Remember, it could be "Link's Fishing Extravaganza", for all we know.
Post by: Zach on February 20, 2006, 11:04:36 AM
Post by: mantidor on February 20, 2006, 11:34:33 AM
Second, how the hell is that a confirmation? a confirmation would be "TP will have remote functionality" not that.
I have the hunch that not only TP wont have rev features, but that Nintendo wil be flamed to death for that, I cant get people who think this is a good idea at all.
Post by: stevey on February 20, 2006, 11:54:15 AM
I'm sick of people saying tp for revo. Reggie said on spike when ask if it's going to be going to the rev, then ask is it going for the rev and cube, and then when ask is it going to have revmote mingame(s) of any short he said NO!!! to them all and said everyone working hard to get it out on just the cube. All the rumors are fake and next guy to say that tp has anything to do with revo I'm going to beat them over the head with a wavebird till they get it
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on February 20, 2006, 12:48:44 PM
The trick will be what makes it special to play on the Revolution, and to the extent that we could create something like that, boy, wouldn't that be fantastic?"
It sounds more like he's saying it will be a great game, even though it's 'last-gen'.
Post by: norebonomis on February 20, 2006, 01:01:03 PM
no just kidding, but that was probably the original idea. ewww
Post by: animecyberrat on February 20, 2006, 03:34:57 PM
Post by: zakkiel on February 20, 2006, 03:57:55 PM
Ehhhnt. Presumably the game will use two different control schemes. It makes sense for the Rev, since a Rev Zelda obviously won't be out for a good long while, and people who play it on the GC will be lured to try it on the Rev and see what's different. I can understand indignation over the delay (though it's still not up to HL2 levels of ridiculousness in my book), but I can't understand the indignation over exclusive Rev content. It's not like it's costing you GC content; it's a bonus for those of us sane enough to plan to get a Rev.
My only fear is that it will be "Link's Fishing Game," when it should be a comprehensive alternative control scheme. Then again, given the amount of delay I'd imagine that's what they're implementing.
Edit: nevermind about that last, I just found the scans that say it will be encoded to work with the freehand controller. Excellent. And stevey, denial is a sad, sad, thing.
Post by: animecyberrat on February 20, 2006, 04:10:57 PM
Well, all of the GameCube games will be compatible only with GameCube accessories, so whether it’s a WaveBird or whether it’s a wired controller, you’ll only be able to play those titles with those accessories. Essentially what we’re saying is that Revolution titles are the only ones that will leverage the new controller.<<
Rigth there REGGIE says that a GAMECUBE game WILL NOT work with REVOLUTION CONTROLS! Its undenaiable so that shoudl SETTLE IT. In the same interview he reaffirms that TP is still JUST a GC game. So there again its settled Zelda TP willnot ustilise the controller it CAN'T. what more do you need?
Post by: zakkiel on February 20, 2006, 04:28:21 PM
The UK Official Nintendo Magazine has explicitly and unambiguously confirmed that Zelda will be compatible with the Rev controller. I can't post the link to the scans on this forum, but its not hard to find. Reggie was undoubtedly right at the time of the interview, and undoubtedly that changed when Nintendo decided to create a parallel control scheme in TP. If you want to continue believing otherwise, that's ok, just brace yourself for disappointment.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 20, 2006, 04:29:34 PM
Honestly, I think it's a misquote. I believe he MEANT to say that the GC games will not receive any extra functionality just by using a Rev controller.
However, the statement where he implies that something will be added to have Zelda TP make use of the Rev controller is a VERY big hint and is VERY clear.
I think we're just going to have to wait and see for this one.
Post by: King of Twitch on February 20, 2006, 05:23:00 PM
Post by: IceCold on February 20, 2006, 05:49:02 PM
Post by: Robageejammin on February 20, 2006, 06:09:06 PM
I don't know why, but I had the strangest feeliing after reading the title of that article that well, i dunno...that Twilight Princess is to use the Revolution Controller! I dont know what made me think that! just so random of me! sarcasm! But seriously, I really think the comment about no GC functionality on Rev is an obvious general statement about gamecube games. The game could easily be bundled with 2 discs for both versions which would totally slip through the cracks of any statements from Reggie or anyone else.
For PGC to back this up so much makes it an even more solid deal.
Post by: zakkiel on February 20, 2006, 06:12:25 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
zakkiel, Why can't you post the link?
Forum rules about linking to copywrited material. They used to be at http://gonintendo.com/?p=877, but were taken down from there.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 20, 2006, 06:20:03 PM
Post by: IceCold on February 20, 2006, 06:29:38 PM
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As for Revolution controller compatibility... Sure, it would be great to have your actions mimicked on the screen by Link swiping the Master Sword; it would be phenomenal to be able to lob the Gale Boomerang simply by flicking your wrist. Is it actually going to happen, though? Sadly, the development team is keeping tight-lipped about this one. But if we know it's a great idea, we're sure they do too.
Post by: animecyberrat on February 21, 2006, 03:56:55 AM
Post by: Requiem on February 21, 2006, 06:04:23 AM
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Originally posted by: animecyberrat
I read that article before and it was NOT a confirmation it was a rumor. Reggie says that it wont happen that means it wont happen. Its possible it couldunlock some revolution only area and that would allow it to be used witht he remote. BUt another reason why the revmote wont work with GC games is the lack of buttons. Its most likely Nintendo just doesnt want to try and figure out alternate button mapping so they make rev unable to use play GC games witht he remote.
The RAT - Honestly.....WTF?
You look to Reggie for your conformation, but you must realize that he's pulling us both ways.
In one interview he states something to the effect of "Putting TP in the REV, boy, wouldn't that be something. I think it would be a great addition to TP if, let's say, when you popped it into the REV that it did something special, better yet, magical. I think everyone would enjoy that."
There's another qoute that I forget, but that also strongly hinted at TP-revo compatibility. And let's not forget that a reputable magazine has but their entire reputation on the line. Even more interesting is that the NGC's article said that their source is someone "high-up" at Nintendo. A few weeks later Merrick is kicked out of NOE.
Then this new Reqqie quote appears. The recent build up of TP-Revo compatibility information, a part given by Reggie himself, and Reggie's new qoute are contradictory yet both valid. So believing one is just as good as believing the other.
If it wasn't going to happen, they would have DENIED it. End of story.
Think about it. If Reggie were asked the same question, except this time Zelda is in no way FC, he would of said "No, Zelda will not be forward-compatible." Instead, he had to say something other than that. Given a straight forward question like that, saying "No comment" means yes. So what the hell do you think he was going to say? "Umm....GC games cannot be played with the REV controller." How vague is that? If it wasn't true he would of just said no, correct?
It's interesting how sly he hid the truth. For all we know, TP isn't a GC game like the rest of the GC catalog. Instead, in his mind anyway, it's a GC-REV game. Therefore that answer still makes sense and in no way did he lie about it if it turns out to be true.
Reggie's a pro. You should give him credit.
As for your comment about mapping GC buttons to the REVmote.............what the hell? You need to do a little more thinking before you spout nonsense like that. First of all, what is the point of the REVmote if you simply map buttons to it? Second of all, the REVmote has plenty of buttons to accomodate Zelda in it's entirety.
You should read my control scheme, it'll give you a better idea about what's possible and how it all can fit into the controller. It's not the best solution, but it is a solution.
Post by: mantidor on February 21, 2006, 06:32:48 AM
haha not in a million years, you clearly dont know Nintendo that well because they never deny or confirm anything at all that other sources tell about anything related to their consoles or games, its the usual "Nintendo doesnt comment on rumors or speculation" or the more elaborate "denial" they put after that UK magazine published the article, which didnt say anything.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 21, 2006, 06:40:04 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
"If it wasn't going to happen, they would have DENIED it. End of story."
haha not in a million years, you clearly dont know Nintendo that well because they never deny or confirm anything at all that other sources tell about anything related to their consoles or games, its the usual "Nintendo doesnt comment on rumors or speculation" or the more elaborate "denial" they put after that UK magazine published the article, which didnt say anything.
"We hear you're making a new console. Is this true?"
"We don't comment on speculation."
Reggie's comments still indicate that there will be some form of forward compatibility with the Rev and TP. The comment about GC games not leveraging the Rev controller just means that I can't make Samus' helmet move in MP by waving the remote around because GC games aren't designed to use those features.
Post by: zakkiel on February 21, 2006, 07:04:13 AM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuote
As for Revolution controller compatibility... Sure, it would be great to have your actions mimicked on the screen by Link swiping the Master Sword; it would be phenomenal to be able to lob the Gale Boomerang simply by flicking your wrist. Is it actually going to happen, though? Sadly, the development team is keeping tight-lipped about this one. But if we know it's a great idea, we're sure they do too.
I suggest you try rereading page 1, where they say:
"... which brings us on to a second piece of tittle-tattle, that Twilight Princess will also be coded to work with the Revolution Freehand controller."
Anyone who denies that the article tells us TP will be built to use the Rev controller just doesn't know how to read. The only question is the particular kind of control scheme, which is what IceCold's quote is about.
Post by: Requiem on February 21, 2006, 07:12:57 AM
Yes, exactly.
Furthermore, what he really meant was that even though GC games can be played with the shell (I don't see why not, since that is the purpose of the shell; ie, to play all past Nintendo games), they won't incoorperate REV related functions. As SB example pointed out, you won't be controlling all your games in a new way.
Post by: animecyberrat on February 21, 2006, 02:48:58 PM
ANd about me not getting my hopes up, tahtw as s stupid reply moron, your the one defending YOUR pipe dream with out provide solid facts, I was only pointing out that what has been speculated about playing the game with the revmote has been now debunked, yet you somehow maintain its possible so you YOU i say WTF!
Post by: animecyberrat on February 21, 2006, 02:50:14 PM
TRY an deny that
Post by: zakkiel on February 21, 2006, 03:32:07 PM
Post by: animecyberrat on February 21, 2006, 04:03:11 PM
Home
Nintendo Revolution Functionality Confirmed For Zelda: Twilight Princess
By Jeff Crosby
Reggie Fils-Aime confirms Zelda: Twilight Princess Will have Nintendo Revolution functionality
In what seems to be an endless run of Zelda rumors it looks like The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princes will feature “special” Nintendo Revolution functionality. Text
In an upcoming interview with EGM, Reggie essentially confirms the rumor saying "The trick will be what makes it special to play on the Revolution, and to the extent that we could create something like that, boy, wouldn't that be fantastic?"
NO WHERE DOES IT SAY CONTORLLER it just says something special will happen when played on the rev. The ONLY way it can use the controller is if there si an area that is unlocked when playe dona rev and that area has some rev functionality tahst it, because otherwise its not playable as a gc only game because GC only games HAVE to be played with GC accessories.
Post by: mantidor on February 21, 2006, 04:23:32 PM
[...]
Well, theres no better way to quash that one than by going straight to Nintendo's UK PR manager RobSaunders, He says: "Nintendo has always promised and mantained that The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess will be a Nintendo GmeCube title. Mr Miyamoto and Mr Aonuma are still fully committed to bringing Twilight PRincess to GameCube owners worldwide later this year"
So there you have it- it will be on GameCube. Which brings us onto the second bit of tittle-tattle, that Twilight Princess will also be coded to work with the revolution Freehand controller. As it's already been confirmed that the backwardly-compatible revolution will play all Game Cube games, it wouldnt be too hard to add some extra code to every version of the fame, making it compatible with revolution's ground breaking controller"
[...]
So of course if you read the bolded sentence out of context, it looks like the magazine is confirming it, but thats not the case, they are just talking about the second rumor, seriously, english is not even my main language and I could get that.
Post by: Requiem on February 21, 2006, 04:54:05 PM
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Nintendo Revolution Functionality Confirmed For Zelda: Twilight Princess
By Jeff Crosby
Reggie Fils-Aime confirms Zelda: Twilight Princess Will have Nintendo Revolution functionality
In what seems to be an endless run of Zelda rumors it looks like The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princes will feature “special” Nintendo Revolution functionality. Text
In an upcoming interview with EGM, Reggie essentially confirms the rumor saying "The trick will be what makes it special to play on the Revolution, and to the extent that we could create something like that, boy, wouldn't that be fantastic?"
NO WHERE DOES IT SAY CONTORLLER it just says something special will happen when played on the rev. The ONLY way it can use the controller is if there si an area that is unlocked when playe dona rev and that area has some rev functionality tahst it, because otherwise its not playable as a gc only game because GC only games HAVE to be played with GC accessories.
First of all, do you know how utterly stupid that would be business wise? That means for people to enjoy games that don't require a special controller (e.g. Donkey Konga), they still have to buy GC controllers. Nintendo would essentially piss off all those people who's first console is a REV and don't have GC controllers already. Also, Nintendo would have to keep producing an old controller, which is obviously bad for Nintendo.
Secondly, read this qoute again...
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>>Speaking of GameCube, if you play a GameCube game on the new Revolution console, will you be able to use the Revolution controller or will you have to use the older style of controller?
Well, all of the GameCube games will be compatible only with GameCube accessories, so whether it’s a WaveBird or whether it’s a wired controller, you’ll only be able to play those titles with those accessories. Essentially what we’re saying is that Revolution titles are the only ones that will leverage the new controller.<<
Where does it say GC games built with Revolution compatiblity? It doesn't. If that's what Zelda really is, then it wouldn't apply. Remember, just because Zelda is slated for the GC doesn't mean that there isn't anything special about it. So grouping it with the rest of the games could potentially be a mistake.
Again, you have to recall the first time this story popped up; the NGC article that started it all. Remember when Nintendo "debunked" it the first time? They could have ended the speculation right there and then, but instead they covered it up. It almost seems like they stomped the fire out, just so they could later revive it later with gas-drenched logs.
I don't want to go into the rest of the information that further spurred speculation, but you must agree that there is some degree of truth to it. It may not be as full-fledge as the rest of the majority and I are hoping, but some Revmote functionality will be present.
It's an awesome idea even if they don't implement realistic sword play. Everything in the game can benefit with the use of the revmore; be it the camera or the items.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 21, 2006, 04:54:50 PM
They couldn't have picked a worse word to use unless their aim was to confuse readers unfamiliar with the term.
Post by: animecyberrat on February 21, 2006, 04:58:37 PM
Post by: IceCold on February 21, 2006, 05:40:08 PM
QuoteThanks mantidor; that's why I posted the other quote. The magazine said "OK, now onto the next rumour.." and then later on the article said what I posted earlier - "the development team is being tight-lipped"
Originally posted by: mantidor
I finally could find these scans, and it seems Zakkiel is the one who doesnt know how to read, let me transcribe the whole paragraph:
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Well, theres no better way to quash that one than by going straight to Nintendo's UK PR manager RobSaunders, He says: "Nintendo has always promised and mantained that The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess will be a Nintendo GmeCube title. Mr Miyamoto and Mr Aonuma are still fully committed to bringing Twilight PRincess to GameCube owners worldwide later this year"
So there you have it- it will be on GameCube. Which brings us onto the second bit of tittle-tattle, that Twilight Princess will also be coded to work with the revolution Freehand controller. As it's already been confirmed that the backwardly-compatible revolution will play all Game Cube games, it wouldnt be too hard to add some extra code to every version of the fame, making it compatible with revolution's ground breaking controller"
[...]
So of course if you read the bolded sentence out of context, it looks like the magazine is confirming it, but thats not the case, they are just talking about the second rumor, seriously, english is not even my main language and I could get that.
So NOTHING is confirmed..
