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Title: ULTRA BOMBERMAN THREE THOUSAND XTREME
Post by: Pale on February 15, 2006, 04:30:16 AM
Edit: Apparently this is somewhat old and was shown in trailer form a while ago. It's still the first I've seen it so I'm leaving my thread. =P
So, they're making a new Bomberman for the 360 right?
Well, being that its on the 360, it has to be all mature right?
But why would they make Bomberman all 'mature'?
They wouldn't be that dumb right? I mean... it's bomberman!
Oh, how silly...
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Post by: JonLeung on February 15, 2006, 04:46:03 AM
NO!!!
Is this THE Bomberman, like the Hudson Soft one?
Oh, the blasphemy! Where's the cute big-U-shaped-eyes? ;_;
At first I thought that first pic was concept art from the upcoming Iron Man movie...
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Post by: capamerica on February 15, 2006, 04:49:06 AM
::cries::
Please tell me this is some bad Bomberman clone.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on February 15, 2006, 04:50:07 AM
BOMBERMAN, WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO YOU!?
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 15, 2006, 05:05:17 AM
Ahahahahahaaaaa!
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Post by: UncleBob on February 15, 2006, 05:14:43 AM
Oh, geeze...
I'll stick to the SNES Super Bomberman, thanks.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 15, 2006, 05:24:33 AM
I think this is the perfect example of companies trying to hard to appeal to the supposed desires of the populace. Really, everyone thinks cartoony games and characters won't sale anymore. People want more mature edgy software, but look what it gets you.
Almost every "realistic" and "mature" game is so generic and crappy that its laughable.
However, look at these supposedly cartoony character games, and you realize that more depth, game design and character is placed in the game than all Xbox 360 games combined. (Ok, sorry for my biased.)
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Post by: Pale on February 15, 2006, 05:25:46 AM
I expect the game to do well too... and half of the X-Box population won't know its an old game that has been released on every platform ever.
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on February 15, 2006, 05:26:56 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Pale
More like Tony Stark, and his weapons are energy blasts and being a violent alcoholic cripple
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 15, 2006, 05:47:44 AM
That reminds me out a horrible 80s sci-fi horror movie. The ones that are too cheesy for even Mystery Science Theater 3000.
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Post by: couchmonkey on February 15, 2006, 06:35:07 AM
I'm an Xbox fan, born and raised! So if this Bomberman game ever existed before now, I'd sure know about it.
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Post by: SgtShiversBen on February 15, 2006, 06:39:00 AM
Let's not forget that Bomberman is going back to his roots!
I HAVE PROOF!!
[and yes, I do own MMAA-Online.com so I'm not breaking any rules]
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Post by: ThePerm on February 15, 2006, 07:18:22 AM
lol and your valentines day c omic was frickin hillarious!!!
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 15, 2006, 07:27:58 AM
That's disgusting.
If Hudson is suffering low Bomberman sales then maybe they should stop making so many Bomberman games. After Saturn Bomberman I've lost track of them all and overexposure is probably what's hurting them, if there's any sales problem at all.
Part of the charm of Bomberman is the goofy cutesy style. If you don't like Super Bomberman then you're probably not going to like Bomberman period. I doubt anyone who isn't a fan of Bomberman now would become one because of this. In fact this is probably going to turn away fans in droves.
Has there ever been a situation where a series sold out and totally retooled itself to be "extreme" and "edgy" and it paid off? For pretty much anything that seems to be the last act of desperation before it dies. I've seen successful slight reinventions or "back to basics" approaches work but I can't think of any time a successful franchise totally rehauled it's look in such an obvious sell-out way and it paid off.
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Post by: JonLeung on February 15, 2006, 08:27:58 AM
Quote Originally posted by: SgtShiversBen Let's not forget that Bomberman is going back to his roots!
I HAVE PROOF!!
[and yes, I do own MMAA-Online.com so I'm not breaking any rules]
Oh, great. Returning to "roots". That's just crappy box art. If that was the case, I wouldn't want Mega Man returning to his roots...and turning into a slouching 40-year-old with a gun.
I'm sure you've all seen the original Mega Man NES box art so I don't need to explain myself.
When I found an import game rental store near West Edmonton Mall about a decade ago (has it been that long already? o_0) one of the games I rented more than once was Super Bomberman 3. Man, I loved that game. I liked the first two, sure, but 3 embraced its anime-look to the max and wasn't old yet like with Super Bomberman 4 and 5...
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 15, 2006, 09:14:27 AM
I'm glad that Nintendo is ignoring all that "OMG SI T3H K1DDIE!" talk. I wouldn't want this to happen to Mario.
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Post by: JonLeung on February 15, 2006, 09:22:20 AM
Quote Originally posted by: KDR_11k I'm glad that Nintendo is ignoring all that "OMG SI T3H K1DDIE!" talk. I wouldn't want this to happen to Mario.
Mario as a realistic plumber? That would be...icky. I certainly don't want to be jumping in pipes.
Though Giga Bowser, a boss in SSBM, looks way more menacing and with the so-called "mature look" than The Monitor, the boss of Halo, a cute little flying robot eye, who likes to flit around, making narcissistic comments while humming. How stupid.
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Post by: ShyGuy on February 15, 2006, 10:13:57 AM
Ok, who would win in a fight? teh-match00re Bomberman or Shadow the Hedgehog?
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Post by: KnowsNothing on February 15, 2006, 10:29:40 AM
So this pretty much sums up everything wrong with earth right.
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Post by: vudu on February 15, 2006, 10:40:39 AM
Oh god, please let them call it ULTRA BOMBERMAN THREE THOUSAND XTREME. That would make my day.
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Post by: Pale on February 15, 2006, 10:55:42 AM
It's already got a name... but I don't remember it.. =P
Edit: found it again....
BOMBERMAN - Act:Zero
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Post by: KnowsNothing on February 15, 2006, 10:59:02 AM
Can't wait for the movie!!!!!
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Post by: Artimus on February 15, 2006, 10:59:27 AM
There are two things you can count on in a mature sequel:
Bad music and the word "Zero"
Please explain to me the usage of 'zero'. There is no story to bomberman that anyone actually follows, there is no need to do a prequel.
My favorite part of all this, however, is that the actual in game graphics just like like the SNES game with the brightness turned down.
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Post by: Pale on February 15, 2006, 11:00:49 AM
Only stupid people put the word zero in things... srsly.
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Post by: JonLeung on February 15, 2006, 11:35:09 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Pale Only stupid people put the word zero in things... srsly.
Metroid: Zero Mission >>> Resident Evil Zero > Mega Man Zero > Street Fighter Zero/Alpha series >>>>>>>>>>> Perfect Dark Zero > Duke Nukem: Zero Hour
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Post by: vudu on February 15, 2006, 11:42:51 AM
I think he was poking fun at himself because his name used to be PaleZero.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on February 15, 2006, 11:43:37 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Artimus Please explain to me the usage of 'zero'. There is no story to bomberman that anyone actually follows, there is no need to do a prequel.
Bomberman: Act Zero (Charm)
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Post by: JonLeung on February 15, 2006, 11:45:14 AM
Maybe it's a prequel that explains how he goes from an ultra-sucky Iron Man-wannabe to a way cool kawaii Japanese Bomberman dude.
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Post by: KnowsNothing on February 15, 2006, 11:49:27 AM
That's be pretty neat actually, like he fell into some pink lava and was horribly disfigured, becoming super-kawaii.
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Post by: ThePerm on February 15, 2006, 11:54:22 AM
hahah thats the best idea for the game
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Post by: JonLeung on February 15, 2006, 11:57:43 AM
Bomberman is the only guy that I will say is cute and makes me explode in joy.
...
Anyway, that'd be a real shocker for anyone who plays this game, wouldn't it? Him ending up all cutesy and all.
The OC Remix called "Bomberfuzz" (I think) really captures the essence of what Bomberman SHOULD be...a high-pitched crazy guy who screams a lot and throws bombs and is yet somehow cute while doing it.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on February 15, 2006, 11:58:32 AM
WHAT?
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 15, 2006, 12:06:31 PM
"Maybe it's a prequel that explains how he goes from an ultra-sucky Iron Man-wannabe to a way cool kawaii Japanese Bomberman dude."
Sample dialog from the ending of the game:
"Scanners indicate the substance is LSD. Well it won't hurt to give it a try. Whoa I feel strange I... CHOBITA*!!!"
*CHOBITA is my attempt to spell out this weird voice sample from one of the Japan-only Super Bomberman games. By brother downloaded the roms for all five of them and one of then plays that sound every time you start a new match. Another one I like is "BY HUDSON CO!!" which is what I think it says when the Hudson logo comes up.
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Post by: JonLeung on February 15, 2006, 12:13:01 PM
I love those Japanese voice samples!
I like the character named Honey (Super Bomberman 3 and up) who goes, "Honey!" (maybe she's pretending to be a Pokémon but she's a cowgirl) and one of Bomberman's winning phrases sounds like "I'm Batman!"
Quote Originally posted by: Ian Sane Another one I like is "BY HUDSON CO!!" which is what I think it says when the Hudson logo comes up.
I think he's saying "By Hudson Soft!" (nitpicking) but because of his cutesiness and/or Japanese-ness, it comes out sounding like "BYE HUZZA SOFF!" or something like that. Too cute!
Many voice clips are in that OverClocked Remix titled "Bomberfuzz" that I mentioned. Go check it out.
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Post by: SgtShiversBen on February 15, 2006, 01:42:57 PM
My comment was to make fun of all those people who say that games need to return to their roots....I shudder at some of the thoughs
I was trying to find the Mega Man box art but sadly I was only able to find smaller pictures of it. ANyone remember the game Chameleon Twist? Besides Bomberman, that games warms my cup of chocolate anyday.
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Post by: JonLeung on February 15, 2006, 01:51:22 PM
Quote Originally posted by: SgtShiversBen
I was trying to find the Mega Man box art but sadly I was only able to find smaller pictures of it.
Iron Man Iron Man is kinda cool. Bomberman is definitely cool. The atrocity that is Bomberman in Act: Zero? Not cool.
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Post by: SgtShiversBen on February 15, 2006, 07:42:46 PM
THE MEGA MAN NES BOX ART!! THE HORROR IT BURNS!!
Could this mean that Mario Party will now become TEH MATUREZ just to get more people into them?
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Post by: IceCold on February 15, 2006, 07:51:49 PM
I think it's safe to say so
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on February 16, 2006, 02:02:01 AM
I died a little on the inside. Now when I open my mouth, maggots crawl out. Really Hudson, what the hell. If they've done this in an attempt to get the average American Gas Station Joe to buy it then they shouldn't have even bothered considering the Xbox 360 platform.
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Post by: Dasmos on February 16, 2006, 02:30:49 AM
I think it looks ultra cool. I definately think this is a system seller.....
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Post by: capamerica on February 16, 2006, 04:29:13 AM
I can't beleave Hudson is doing this... This is worst the Shadow. I would like to find the guy who came up with this and the guy who okayed it and beat the living snot out of them. I never in a million years would have thought Hudson would go down this path.
I hope this game tanks and the game & look stays Xbox360 Only. I'll stick to the little bomberman thank you very much.
part of me is still hopeing that this is all a joke or that the guy we are seeing is the badguy.
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Post by: couchmonkey on February 16, 2006, 07:09:59 AM
I'm sure this is only going to happen on Xbox 360 and I imagine it will tank.
Having said that, you can't totally blame them, looking at what sells on the Xbox systems, I'm surprised he doesn't have a sidekick with giant boobs too.
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Post by: JonLeung on February 16, 2006, 07:23:01 AM
Quote Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Having said that, you can't totally blame them, looking at what sells on the Xbox systems, I'm surprised he doesn't have a sidekick with giant boobs too.
I don't know how many of you are familiar with the Super Famicom games (Super Bomberman 3-5), but the cute character Honey, who somehow has the same abilities as Bomberman but dresses like a cowgirl, would probably look like someone out of Rumble Roses.
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Post by: couchmonkey on February 16, 2006, 09:57:48 AM
I have no choice... Forget about Link in Soul Calibur, and move over Spartan-458, it's the Gaming Crossover of the Millenium!
Edit: behold, a working image!
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Post by: Artimus on February 16, 2006, 10:25:24 AM
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Post by: JonLeung on February 16, 2006, 10:46:24 AM
It's seriously too close. Marvel could sue.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on February 16, 2006, 04:38:28 PM
Quote Originally posted by: couchmonkey Having said that, you can't totally blame them, looking at what sells on the Xbox systems, I'm surprised he doesn't have a sidekick with giant boobs too.
Quote Has there ever been a situation where a series sold out and totally retooled itself to be "extreme" and "edgy" and it paid off? For pretty much anything that seems to be the last act of desperation before it dies. I've seen successful slight reinventions or "back to basics" approaches work but I can't think of any time a successful franchise totally rehauled it's look in such an obvious sell-out way and it paid off.
I can't think of one, ever. Even Gabe from Penny-Arcade mentioned that this kind of thing was ridiculous and ruined Prince of Persia 2, pointing out that superheroes did this for a while where every superhero became dark and edgy and it eventually came full circle and everyone realized how awful it was.
In fact, the only franchise which ever underwent a change for the "darker" and succeeded was...Batman.
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Post by: Nephilim on February 16, 2006, 05:08:13 PM
After seeing bomberman jetter anime and pics of the games, im glad they have gone a new direction anyway bomberman is about the multiplayer, this looks like a single player game with bad multi
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 16, 2006, 07:59:59 PM
SB: The sad part is how many positive replies that thread there got.
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Post by: Renny on February 16, 2006, 08:35:08 PM
OMG! BONK IS NEXT!
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Post by: Requiem on February 16, 2006, 08:40:14 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Smash_Brother In fact, the only franchise which ever underwent a change for the "darker" and succeeded was...Batman.
What?! Batman was always dark and moody. Even the cartoons were all mature and stuff. In fact, the reason why Batman is one of my favorite super heroes is because he's so relentless....holding people up from certian doom, so he could find out information is classic batman.
Oh ya....about the topic...
It hurts my brain.
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Post by: capamerica on February 17, 2006, 03:23:28 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Requiem
Quote Originally posted by: Smash_Brother In fact, the only franchise which ever underwent a change for the "darker" and succeeded was...Batman.
What?! Batman was always dark and moody. Even the cartoons were all mature and stuff. In fact, the reason why Batman is one of my favorite super heroes is because he's so relentless....holding people up from certian doom, so he could find out information is classic batman.
Oh ya....about the topic...
It hurts my brain.
Go read the early Batman comics that were around before and durring the Adam West era. He wasn't always Dark and Moody.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on February 17, 2006, 04:27:07 AM
Quote Originally posted by: KDR_11k SB: The sad part is how many positive replies that thread there got.
Yeah, but at least a lot of people are saying "WTF!?" as well. I expect there to be xbox fanboys who will always praise whatever is released for the consoles.
Quote What?! Batman was always dark and moody. Even the cartoons were all mature and stuff. In fact, the reason why Batman is one of my favorite super heroes is because he's so relentless....holding people up from certian doom, so he could find out information is classic batman.
The earlier comics were MUCH lighter and even funny, and how can you forget, "Nananananananana-BATMAN!" and all the other eccentricities from the Adam West Batman?
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Post by: Requiem on February 17, 2006, 06:51:04 AM
Oh ya.....I totally forgot the old batman and how gay/classic it was.
Honestly, I'm just glad they can make a damn good representation of batman in the movies.
The first (Jack as Joker) and last batman (begins) movies are by far some of the best super heroe movies ever.
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Post by: ShyGuy on February 17, 2006, 07:18:45 AM
Ah, but Batman was much darker when he was first conceived. The light and smiling Batman was a products of the 50s and 60s. back at the start with Detective 27, He killed people and carried a gun.
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 17, 2006, 07:26:30 AM
Although I've never read the early comics Batman apparently killed crinimals in his first appearances. There was also some really silly sh!t apparently but it initially wasn't quite as silly as it was in the 60's. However the TV show was supposedly a pretty accurate depiction of the comic at the time. Basically they both were campy.
But I've always seen Batman going all dark more as a "back to basics" approach. The writers had lost sight of what Batman originally was: a vigilante who got revenge for his parents' murder by fighting crime. Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns doesn't seem out of character. In the story Batman still doesn't kill anyone in cold blood when he knows he can stop a criminal using less drastic means. He still has the same costume and the same villians and the same motivations. If DC comics used the approach we're seeing here Batman would have become the Punisher. The Knightfall storyline where they introduced a new Batman is more like what we're seeing here and that didn't take-off.
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Post by: vudu on February 17, 2006, 08:01:56 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Ian Sane Has there ever been a situation where a series sold out and totally retooled itself to be "extreme" and "edgy" and it paid off? For pretty much anything that seems to be the last act of desperation before it dies. I've seen successful slight reinventions or "back to basics" approaches work but I can't think of any time a successful franchise totally rehauled it's look in such an obvious sell-out way and it paid off.
I don't think you'd call this selling out or going Xtreme, but Ocarina of Time is more "adult" than previous incarnations of Legend of Zelda. Majora's Mask is darker than Ocarina of Time. And from what we know, Twilight Princess is going to be the darkest Zelda game yet.
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 17, 2006, 08:33:42 AM
"I don't think you'd call this selling out or going Xtreme, but Ocarina of Time is more "adult" than previous incarnations of Legend of Zelda. Majora's Mask is darker than Ocarina of Time. And from what we know, Twilight Princess is going to be the darkest Zelda game yet."
I can't think of anyone who thought Ocarina of Time was out of character or selling out. Well not until Wind Waker came out and apologists decided the revise their opinion of Ocarina of Time to defend the new look. Wind Waker is the only Zelda game I can think of where people were shocked when they first saw it and it certainly wasn't because they thought Nintendo was selling out. The worst you could say is that Zelda has gradually gotten darker but it was never a bright cheery game and the transition has been pretty smooth. It's always been more serious than Mario for example. A Zelda sell-out would be the cartoon show where they gave Link an "attitude".
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Post by: JonLeung on February 17, 2006, 08:42:17 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Ian Sane
A Zelda sell-out would be the cartoon show where they gave Link an "attitude".
Well, excuuuuuuse me, Princess!
You know, the Zelda in the cartoon was cool. She seemed more capable of taking care of herself, which I guess made sense because Link was sometimes a doofus. Sure, Zelda can fight, as seen in SSBM, but I don't think it's the same.
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 17, 2006, 10:18:36 AM
Dunno, I don't really find OOT all that fun to play. It feels too much like serious fantasy to me and I hate that genre. Wind Waker had a world that wasn't a pain to exist in and that made it a lot more fun.
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Post by: JonLeung on February 17, 2006, 11:38:02 AM
...Except for all that tedious sailing...but that's just my opinion...
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 17, 2006, 08:28:08 PM
I've played X Beyond The Frontier before Wind Waker, that has MUCH longer travel times.
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Post by: D-Mac Double on February 19, 2006, 06:52:42 PM
Quote Originally posted by: JonLeung You know, the Zelda in the cartoon was cool. She seemed more capable of taking care of herself, which I guess made sense because Link was sometimes a doofus.
She also wore pants.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on February 20, 2006, 11:24:49 AM
OoT was definitely not selling out. The Zelda series has a serious storyline in which there are serious consequences to Link's actions. In OoT, you basically open the door for Ganondorf so he can rule the world while Link sleeps for 7 years.
Even in WW, the storyline was very serious, despite the graphics being cel-shaded. I think Zelda is and always has been its own game for so long that there's nothing it could do to "sell out", short of giving Link a gun.
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on February 21, 2006, 10:11:26 PM
It hurts... ;_;
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Post by: odilon on February 22, 2006, 03:47:51 AM
According it IGN, they're even going to use an optional first person viewpoint.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 22, 2006, 04:23:33 AM
Bomberman 1st person is the worst idea. The whole point of the game is the twitch factor of seeing everything going on and needing to react quickly to all the bomb madness. The game would have to be changed too much for 1st person to actually work.
Hudson, what are you doing? I know your franchise is getting old, but this isn't the means to revive it.
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Post by: mantidor on February 22, 2006, 06:12:29 AM
its the shadow syndrome, a disease carried by ms and sony, thank god Nintendo got the vaccine and is inmune.
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 22, 2006, 09:03:32 AM
Propagated by the "Shadow hedgehog" protein?
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Post by: nickmitch on February 22, 2006, 02:46:41 PM
I can feel my inner child crying again.
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Post by: nemo_83 on February 23, 2006, 08:39:34 PM
poor bomberman, what a **** up this is going to be
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Post by: jasonditz on February 28, 2006, 05:18:37 AM
It's not like Bomberman is just starting to sell out here. Lets not forget that most of the post-Saturn Bomberman console games have been me-too Mario 64 3D platformer ripoffs. This is just the first time they've chosen to change the artistic sensibilities of the series.
And seriously, I'm going to wait and see how it plays before passing judgement. Lame, yes... but if it's a choice between cutesy old-school Bomberman jumping on top of Koopas and throwing bombs at Goombas or some new-fangled Bomberman that looks like Samus with a dick but actually plays like the old games... I think I'll choose the later.
God though, Hudda-san, you guys shouldn't make us have to choose like that.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on February 28, 2006, 07:48:51 AM
Games like Bomberman 64 and Bomberman Generations FEEL like Bomberman...This is like taking Kirby and putting him in Halo!
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Post by: Terranigma Freak on February 28, 2006, 10:06:08 AM
Quote This is like taking Kirby and putting him in Halo!
OOOOOHHH! I want Mature Kirby!!! Kirby goes around fighting crime and having sex with the residents of Dreamland!!!
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 28, 2006, 10:09:01 AM
Yeah, having sex with a hooker and swallowing her to get the money back!
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Post by: KnowsNothing on February 28, 2006, 10:17:00 AM
If Kirby swallowed a hooker, wouldn't he get her superpower, like herpes or something?
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Post by: Bill Aurion on February 28, 2006, 10:32:24 AM
You totally stole that joke from VGCats...
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Post by: Ages on February 28, 2006, 11:00:18 AM
Poor Kirby! Thats the one special power that doesn't go away haha
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Post by: Talon on February 28, 2006, 11:26:47 AM
I wonder if you guys would be acting so stongly if this game wasn't called bomberman? Ok I understand your disappointment that they have basically ripped this IP right down to its core. None of us have played it yet and could potentially be a great game. This kind of reminds me of a milder version of the whole Wind Waker scandal.
Obviously hudson wants to market bomberman to a different demographic and doing so has had to make some controversial changes to bomberman. But fear not because if this game is not well received then watch Hudson pull a Nintendo and go back to its roots with this game.
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Post by: Pale on February 28, 2006, 11:42:43 AM
The problem, well at least my problem with it, is that it is fundamentally insulting to bomberman fans and game fans in general...
I mean, in all seriousness, why couldn't the game be the normal bomberman character design, but with enhanced xbox live multiplayer, etc. I think it would still be a killer app. Instead we get this, which is basically them saying that their fans are too stupid and self concious to play a game like bomberman so 'we have to make it hardcore.' 'Furthermore, we better add a first-person view because thats what all the hardcore gamers truly want!'
It's not so much that they did it, but more their intentions behind it.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on February 28, 2006, 01:12:27 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Pale The problem, well at least my problem with it, is that it is fundamentally insulting to bomberman fans and game fans in general...
I mean, in all seriousness, why couldn't the game be the normal bomberman character design, but with enhanced xbox live multiplayer, etc. I think it would still be a killer app. Instead we get this, which is basically them saying that their fans are too stupid and self concious to play a game like bomberman so 'we have to make it hardcore.' 'Furthermore, we better add a first-person view because thats what all the hardcore gamers truly want!'
It's not so much that they did it, but more their intentions behind it.
Agreed in full.
This is to cater to the lowest common denominator: the insecure xbox fanboy.
Watch, the Rev and PS3 versions will be the normal bomberman.
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Post by: jasonditz on February 28, 2006, 06:34:47 PM
It'll be interesting if Hudson follows suit with other Xbox 360 games. Maybe Master Higgins is going to have sex with some Tahitian girls? Maybe Milon's going to get into death metal?
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 28, 2006, 11:47:15 PM
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Post by: attackslug on March 01, 2006, 03:01:12 AM
This is a very, very sad trend that games are following as of late.
Don't know if this has been posted before, but it seems to be of a similar nature...
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Post by: Pale on March 01, 2006, 04:15:57 AM
Heh, it's funny you post that pic of Megaman KDR... Are you posting it because its Capcom doing the opposite? Regardless, that game has made me more interested in a PSP.. >< Damn you Capcom...
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Post by: KDR_11k on March 01, 2006, 06:33:12 AM
Yep, Hudson decides they need a new approach for Bomberman so they turn him into t3h mayture, Capcom sees a need for a change in direction and makes Megaman even cuter than before and that's still nothing against the new Roll. Capcom, the company known for games like Devil May Cry and Resident Evil, as compoared to Hudson whose flagship product seems to be Mario Party these days. So I suppose if you don't have t3h mayture you want it but if you had it you see that really, chibi has more style.
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Post by: Terranigma Freak on March 01, 2006, 06:50:07 AM
Man, you guys want to see some really scary Kirby stuff? check out this hilarious manga image.
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Post by: darknight06 on March 01, 2006, 07:40:53 AM
The only reason they've been doing that to original Megaman is to separate it from the X series. This looks to be phase 3 in changing up Megaman.
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Post by: Ian Sane on March 01, 2006, 08:12:05 AM
Looking at that Mega Man pic and the new Bomberman look I've noticed something in common with the two series: they both have "man" in the title.
I've also noticed something else. Both series were once incredibly popular but have been rehashed and milked to the point where they're totally unessential now. From a creative standpoint they're finished and the only reason to continue with them is for a quick buck. The redesign is obviously to rekindle interest in something that's been stale for years. So maybe they should just stop making so many sequels and make some new stuff. Hudson in particular has got like nothing right now. They make Bomberman and Mario Party and both series are DONE. Actually they're overdone. They're like lumps of coal.
If the Xbox fanbase doesn't want Bomberman then don't waste time and effort giving them something they don't want. Make something new and interesting. Hudson should make some sort of ultimate Bomberman game with online play for the Rev and PS3 so that everyone can play 10 player online Bomberman and then call it a day.
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Post by: RiskyChris on March 01, 2006, 08:13:17 AM
I predict a mario party explosion on revolution if executed correctly.
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Post by: jasonditz on March 01, 2006, 12:00:40 PM
I wonder if this is a function of Hudson becoming a Konami subsidiary. Maybe they felt obligated to turn Bomberman into somebody who could appear in a future MGS?
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Post by: Renny on March 01, 2006, 12:07:57 PM
I predict Super Manio Brothers is the next series to be M'ed up, following Ian's observations. :¬þ
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Post by: Ages on March 02, 2006, 07:54:47 AM
"They make Bomberman and Mario Party and both series are DONE. Actually they're overdone. They're like lumps of coal."
And if you squeeze those lumps of coal hard enough you get a diamond. Mario Party may not be big to you Ian, and I agree that it's been overdone in its short existance, but it sells like crazy in Japan. Do not underestimate the power of the Rising Sun. And would you rather them not translate it for American audiences so we miss out on another good game? (Sin and Punishment comes to mind)
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Post by: Ian Sane on March 02, 2006, 08:04:49 AM
This relates to ruining franchises for no reason so I think it fits here. The new Final Fight game is out. It's getting creamed in reviews. It's getting scores like 3.3 out of 10, the sort of scores so low that it's pretty much considered a fact that the game sucks. Why did they make that a Final Fight game? No one who likes Final Fight will like it because all the elements that made Final Fight good have been stripped out. The people who may like this game don't know what Final Fight is and probably wouldn't like the real Final Fight anyway. So the name has no selling power to the target market. The only reason to call the game "Final Fight" is to trick people into buying it. But that's just going to hurt the brand and piss off your customers.
So if this Bomberman game is specifically designed for people who don't like Bomberman then it makes no sense to have the Bomberman name on it because it has no selling power for the people the game is for and people who do like Bomberman won't like this game.
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Post by: KDR_11k on March 02, 2006, 08:23:42 AM
Seems to me that a franchise's speed of evolution is inversely proportional to the level of development of the first game.
Metroid was very simple and underdeveloped when it came out (with frustrating gameplay flaws and a severe lack of items), its sequels made massive improvements and eventually netted us the best game on the Gamecube. Zelda was mostly already developed but still lacked some things that made later Zelda games great (like proper puzzles and some items). Second best game on the GC. Bomberman was already Bomberman when the first game was released, all subsequent changes were pretty minor and to this day the formula hasn't changed much. Megaman, same story. Megaman 1 was developed very far, included many mechanics and would pretty much hold up today. Not much development thereafter.
So imagine what an E.T. game would be like today .
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Post by: Ian Sane on March 02, 2006, 08:44:37 AM
"Seems to me that a franchise's speed of evolution is inversely proportional to the level of development of the first game."
That makes a lot of sense though I think that also combines with the rate sequels are released. Mega Man had six games on the NES so it got burnt out fast. There were five Super Bomberman games released in Japan. On the Turbo Graffix 16 Bomberman games were annual like Madden (Bomberman '93 for example). Metroid would probably not be as essential today if Nintendo released annual sequels for it.
Though Bomberman and Mega Man are two games that need little refinement after the first game. Combining that with rapid fire sequels is pretty brutal. I guess the moral of the story is if you nail it the first time wait a few years between sequels. Super Mario Kart nailed the formula pretty well but Nintendo has managed to make the series last longer by only offering one game per generation.
Though the two might be related. It's easy to release rapid fire sequels when your game is pretty much already perfect as is and you just have to make up new levels. With something like Metroid the natural desire to improve on an imperfect formula is going to force longer development time between sequels and likely a wait for better hardware. I have noticed that Nintendo has been much more frequent with the sequels in situations where the formula has become fine tuned.
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 02, 2006, 10:50:50 AM
I like to call rapid fire sequels expansion packs. Often times they are just re-hashes. Sometimes they work, most of the time the don't. Unfortunately, I can't think of any developer (except maybe Treasure) who doesn't get caught up in sequelitis Capcom: Street Fighter, Mega Man EA: Need for Speed, Madden Ubisoft: Splinter Cell THQ: WWE wrestling Namco: Tekken Sega: Sonic Activision: Tony Hawk Rockstar: GTA is on the verge of it. Nintendo: Mario Party Koei: They are the kings of the rehash sequels with their Dynasty Warriors.
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Post by: Ian Sane on March 02, 2006, 11:15:50 AM
Koei also has Romance of the Three Kingdoms which according to my quick and dirty research is up to the tenth game now. I have never met anyone who has played these games but somehow ten games have been released.
EA should have everything under their list. If it's successful EA milks it until it dies. Practically every series they have is on an annual release schedule. Remember when a new Burnout game was actually significant game news?
Konami is not on your list and thinking about it they're not that bad. But there's DDR.
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Post by: Terranigma Freak on March 02, 2006, 11:23:41 AM
Quote Koei also has Romance of the Three Kingdoms which according to my quick and dirty research is up to the tenth game now. I have never met anyone who has played these games but somehow ten games have been released.
Actually, they're up to the 11th game now. I'm one of the millions of players who play the game. Romance of The 3 Kingdoms is based on an extremely popular novel in China; guess where this game gets all it's sales from?
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Post by: Talon on March 02, 2006, 12:09:04 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Terranigma Freak Romance of The 3 Kingdoms is based on an extremely popular novel in China; guess where this game gets all it's sales from?
Mexico?
Anyway Konami is pretty notorious for milking franchises!! How many Yu-Gi-Oh! games do they release a year? EA may have 12 month cycles but Konami has a 30 day cycle when it comes to Yu-Gi-Oh
This is one area that being connected online could fix. We could download patches or expansions for these minor tweaks/releases and that would give development houses extra time to develop TRUE sequels. Most people dont mind paying for expansion packs (of course expansions packs would have to be significantly cheaper than buying a brand new games).
Still id rather see less sequels and more original titles. Im definately looking forward to seeing what suda 51 is cooking up for the revolution. Killer 7 is by far my most favourite original IP of this generation.
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Post by: IceCold on March 02, 2006, 12:35:08 PM
Pikmin is crying..
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Post by: Ian Sane on March 02, 2006, 12:51:26 PM
"How many Yu-Gi-Oh! games do they release a year?"
I forgot about Yu-Gi-Oh. And by that I mean I forgot that Yu-Gi-Oh has any relation to videogames whatsoever. Ever read a review for those games? The reviewer's always like "The manual doesn't give me any idea how to play! What the f*ck is going on?!!" It's like you just have to know how to play. It's a secret completely unknown to those outside the Yu-Gi-Oh fanbase.
God that show sucks. I can't get into any show where the villians all follow the rules of some game that everyone universal agrees to. "Oh no! If I lose this game Joey will be forever banished to the shadow world by this evil dude I'm dueling. The idea of just, you know, taking a gun and shooting my opponent in the face to save my friend never occurs to me." "Curses, this little kid beat me and now I can't banish his friend to the shadow world for this card game I am playing somehow prevents me from just being an evil bastard and banishing him anyway."
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Post by: jasonditz on March 02, 2006, 02:04:43 PM
Actually I heard the DS Yu-Gi-Oh game comes with a pretty good tutorial mode. I love CCG-based games, and this will finally give me a chance to try what seems to be a pretty successful franchise.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on March 02, 2006, 03:18:23 PM
From what I've heard, the original Yu-Gi-Oh manga was very violent, with Yugi even lighting people on fire using the hairspray/lighter combo.
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Post by: Talon on March 02, 2006, 03:44:11 PM
Ive seen a couple of the original Yu-Gi-Oh! series cartoons from Japan when he was the "game master" and they are bit more violent than what they water down for the kids in the west.
I think the DS could really do Yu-Gi-Oh some justice. Konami could release a wifi enable game where you can actually trade cards from person to person and they could have expansions for the games for new additional cards, arenas, ai...etc. I think those sort of battle, tradining communication games would really benefit with the online services Nintendo are now able to provide them.
Hell Konami could even take a page out of the MMORPG development guide and have a card shop where you are able to purchase cards online to add to your decks.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on March 02, 2006, 03:53:43 PM
I never understood why Konami never tried to embrace online play with that series. From what I understand, Magic The Gathering still enjoys a strong online fanbase.
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Post by: KDR_11k on March 03, 2006, 12:26:29 AM
Konami is not on your list and thinking about it they're not that bad. But there's DDR.
*cough*Castlevania*cough*
with Yugi even lighting people on fire using the hairspray/lighter combo.
Well, Yugi always has a lot of hairspray on him obviously...
I never understood why Konami never tried to embrace online play with that series.
Those "online duel pass" thingies I see lying around in stores do suggest that Konami has not only embraced online play, they are billing people for it like an MMO.
EDIT: Ooops, wrong quote.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on March 03, 2006, 10:43:12 AM
I didn't know they did.
Bout time...
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Post by: KDR_11k on March 07, 2006, 10:23:06 PM
Forget about XCircle Bomberman, this is bad enough.
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Post by: Pale on March 08, 2006, 04:43:45 AM