Post by: Shecky on February 09, 2006, 02:29:27 AM
Every PSP owner I know hated the concept of individual UMD movies for ~ $30, expressing that they'd rather pick up a bundle for a slight premium. I wonder what took Sony so long to come out with them... arrogance in the format? or clever marketing to get the most profit out of the format?
Source
Post by: UncleBob on February 09, 2006, 02:51:29 AM
"Coming soon, DVDs you already own, now packed with UMDs - for $15 more than you paid for the DVD!"
Post by: vudu on February 09, 2006, 08:02:56 AM
Post by: Arbok on February 09, 2006, 09:12:30 AM
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Originally posted by: Shecky
Every PSP owner I know hated the concept of individual UMD movies for ~ $30, expressing that they'd rather pick up a bundle for a slight premium.
Every PSP owner I know was mad that:
a: they couldn't play DVDs on their PSP
b: that they have to spend more on a movie to watch on their PSP versus a more feature loaded DVD version
This is a partial helper to that problem, but I don't see many other companies jumping on board of this now that profits for selling UMDs will drop due to it being packaged in with a DVD version. This is more to push the format then keep other companies interested.
Also, anyone see some of the related articles at the bottom there?
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"I think in 12 months it's going to be clear," he predicted. "The combination of Blu-Ray and PlayStation 3 machines is going to overwhelm any HD-DVD presence and all studios will have to support Blu-Ray."
All of this stuff seems to assume that stores have unlimited shelf space, but really how much are they going to allot for Sony's two new formats?
Post by: Ages on February 09, 2006, 10:45:33 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 09, 2006, 10:58:43 AM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
Every PSP owner I know was mad that:
Whoa, WHOA...you KNOW a PSP owner?!
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All of this stuff seems to assume that stores have unlimited shelf space, but really how much are they going to allot for Sony's two new formats?
COUGHbetamaxCOUGH
Oh, and...
ACHOO!minidiscSNIFF...
–SB
Post by: JonLeung on February 09, 2006, 10:59:25 AM
And UMD is the dumbest name ever. Unless Sony makes their other products use it, but unless they're portable, why would they if they're pushing Blu-Ray?
Post by: Ages on February 09, 2006, 11:02:39 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on February 09, 2006, 11:26:42 AM
Post by: stevey on February 09, 2006, 11:29:43 AM
No, $ony is letting retailers set their prices and the price it going to be more than $24. It going to end up as $35 after they mark it up.
Post by: JonLeung on February 09, 2006, 11:39:10 AM
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Originally posted by: Ages
Does HD-DVD actually sound better? or are you just meaning in a general sense?
Sorry, I should've been more clear. I meant the name.
While it may be clunky, being five syllables instead of two, it's more easy to understand what it is. It's an HD-DVD...with all this talk about "high-definition" and "digital versatile discs" the current norm for movie media, someone who just heard of it would know what it is.
"I just picked up the Star Wars Anthology on a single Blu-Ray!" It's, like, what? A ray? You picked it up on some light? Technically the machine does, but HD-DVD has "disc" in its name and makes more sense.
Both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players are supposed to be able to play DVDs, so HD-DVD also sounds like a natural progression. More people will need to be told that Blu-Ray players can, otherwise they might be hesitant about buying new DVDs if they expect a new format to totally obliterate their DVD collections.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 09, 2006, 11:49:54 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
I thought all the PSP users were just stealing movies off of bittorrent and copying them to their memory stick...
Shhh!
What Sony doesn't know won't hurt them...
...or will cost them millions in UMD sales. I forget which.
–SB
Post by: Shecky on February 09, 2006, 01:50:59 PM
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Originally posted by: Ages
I know some have said that Blu-Ray's images are sharper than that of HD-DVD, so I'd imagine the soudn would be clearer as well.
Hogwash! The quality of a movie's video/audio has everything to do with the way it was encoded and nothing to do with the media it's on. You can tell them I'm told you so next time someone tries to tell you otherwise
Post by: Shecky on February 09, 2006, 01:54:01 PM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
All of this stuff seems to assume that stores have unlimited shelf space, but really how much are they going to allot for Sony's two new formats?
I'm sure that if you'd ask them, Sony formats should be the only things on the shelf
Post by: Ages on February 09, 2006, 02:15:41 PM
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Originally posted by: Ages
I know some have said that Blu-Ray's images are sharper than that of HD-DVD, so I'd imagine the soudn would be clearer as well.
Hogwash! The quality of a movie's video/audio has everything to do with the way it was encoded and nothing to do with the media it's on. You can tell them I'm told you so next time someone tries to tell you otherwise
True, but you could probably get a slightly sharper image from the format with the larger amount of storage space
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 10, 2006, 05:09:40 AM
Sony is finally doing one thing right with the UMDs. Really I couldn't believe anyone would buy a PSP to play movies, because for the same price you could get a portable DVD player. And those UMDs are just stupid.
The sad thing is, IF sony would have focused all this time on getting quality portable gaming out for the PSP it could have over taken the DS. Now, it doesn't have a chance. DS has captured too much of the market and creating too many quality games for PSP to compete. What is worse, Nintendo could EASILY, release a means to download music and movies to the DS and cut into Sony's market that is already being killed by Apple.
Post by: UncleBob on February 10, 2006, 02:22:47 PM
Mind you, the suggested retail price for most new DVD movies is $20-$30, but you can get 'em at Wal*Mart/BB/CC for $15 the week they come out.
Post by: vudu on February 16, 2006, 06:03:14 PM
QuoteNow if that's not the funniest thing you've read today you have a better life than me.
Paramount Home Entertainment, Warner Home Video, and yes, even Sony Pictures Home Entertainment, are cutting back on UMD releases because of poor sales
Post by: Shecky on February 16, 2006, 06:18:16 PM
"To hype demand for UMDs, Sony is said to be pushing an adapter that would let PSPs play UMDs on televisions."
Brilliant!
Post by: capamerica on February 16, 2006, 06:18:38 PM
Here is the quote about the price "Blu-ray disc titles will wholesale for $17.95, about the same as DVDs when that format hit the market in 1997."
This is key, No DVDs were sold to consumers for $17.95 back in 1997. DVDs were closer to $35-40 in 1997, the only people who got the DVDs for $17.95 were the stores. When they say that the Movies will cost 17.95 for older movies, while new releases will be priced at $23.45 that is how much the stores will be paying, The consumer on the other hand will be paying $35.90 for Old movies and $46.90 for New movies.
Post by: Arbok on February 16, 2006, 06:39:11 PM
"We are reevaluating our position on any future releases at this time. ... We're disappointed with consumer demand."
And one with Virigin Records:
"There is a modest demand for [new titles], but there simply hasn't been a consistent growth of this new format to justify making more space for it."
http://www.imdb.com/news/sb/2006-02-16/#film4
Post by: The Omen on February 16, 2006, 09:05:39 PM
Post by: Ghisy on March 11, 2006, 03:07:01 AM
I mean, it's just plain stupid, who would pay freaking 20 bucks for cr*ppy quality and NO extras compared to the dvd?
PSP owners just dowload stuff off the Internet anyway...
Post by: Arbok on March 11, 2006, 03:15:09 PM
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Originally posted by: Ghisy
I'm no Sony hater but I'm glad the UMD format is going down.
I mean, it's just plain stupid, who would pay freaking 20 bucks for cr*ppy quality and NO extras compared to the dvd?
Doesn't the mark up increase it over $20? Not to mention that they don't decrease in cost, unlike DVDs...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BMY2L0 ($12)
vs
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BMSY5U ($26)
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 11, 2006, 06:07:11 PM
Post by: Ghisy on March 12, 2006, 06:41:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
Doesn't the mark up increase it over $20? Not to mention that they don't decrease in cost, unlike DVDs...
Good point.
UMDs are actually more expensive than I thought!
