Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on January 10, 2006, 04:54:16 PM
Nintendo (through a third party) is conducting a closed survey on its Virtual Console feature for the Revolution—more specifically, proposed pricing and menu schemes. Joystiq reports details and screen captures of the survey.
Although reported content merely shows what Nintendo is considering, it is still worth noting. Three pricing schemes are proposed: purchase, rental and subscription. Gamers may pay a one-time price and download and own the game forever. Alternatively, they may rent a single game for a specified period. Finally, a monthly subscription would allow players to download a specified number of games each month—games downloaded prior months will continue to be playable (as long as Nintendo continues to get its monthly money). The images themselves are mock-ups for the survey and do not reflect the service's actual look.
Specific pricing apparently was not mentioned, but Joystiq has listed titles the survey listed as likely to be available at launch.
NES
SNES
N64
Once again, keep in mind that this is not confirmation of Nintendo's Virtual Console strategy or its games—Nintendo will almost certainly alter the proposed strategy above in response to the survey and internal feedback, and the game list could easily change.
Post by: Famicom on January 10, 2006, 05:11:41 PM
Oh well, it's only launch....
Post by: vudu on January 10, 2006, 05:12:18 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 10, 2006, 05:13:53 PM
Post by: Mario on January 10, 2006, 05:18:30 PM
Post by: Dasmos on January 10, 2006, 05:30:48 PM
Post by: Arbok on January 10, 2006, 05:32:01 PM
Also, Ogre Battle 64! I looked all over for that game, but could never find it. That will be the first thing I get, without question.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on January 10, 2006, 05:37:34 PM
Except for the part where I won't be able to download them but oh well.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 10, 2006, 06:10:30 PM
A buddy of mine brought that back from Japan for me a few years ago. I traded in my N64 and eventually sold the game on eBay, but I never beat it. I really hope it makes the final list because the game was amazing.
And all those SNES titles, I mean really. Revolution is going to be a silly console for Nintendo fans, it's just out of hand. Out of hand I tell you.
Post by: Requiem on January 10, 2006, 06:29:13 PM
I take that back...where the hell is Chrono Trigger?! Illusions of Gaia made it. Hopefully Nintendo and Square correct there mistake.
Post by: UncleBob on January 10, 2006, 06:34:44 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on January 10, 2006, 06:48:09 PM
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Revolution is going to be a silly console for Nintendo fans, it's just out of hand. Out of hand I tell you.
I have a bad habit of dropping my remotes, too. =(
Post by: Arbok on January 10, 2006, 07:30:08 PM
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Originally posted by: Requiem
I take that back...where the hell is Chrono Trigger?! Illusions of Gaia made it. Hopefully Nintendo and Square correct there mistake.
Maybe they want to re-release the title on the GBA/DS, and therefore don't want it on the download service? That was my assumption.
Post by: TMW on January 10, 2006, 08:56:34 PM
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Originally posted by: Requiem
I could do with a few more sequels and franchises from Nintendo and Rare alone (BattleToads, MK64 WTF?!?!?!), but meh....Complaining would just waste my precious energy...
I take that back...where the hell is Chrono Trigger?! Illusions of Gaia made it. Hopefully Nintendo and Square correct there mistake.
Chrono Trigger was released on the PSX...I don't think Sony would give that one up easily...
Thats just my theory, though.
Post by: MysticGohan24 on January 10, 2006, 09:00:29 PM
But Nintendo had the publishing right's for the SNES version. So I doubt sony could do anything at all, with Square and Enix merger and their stake
in the company significantly shruken, it's barely an issue at all, and none to be worried of. Since sony does not hold the rights to CT.
Post by: Aussie Ben PGC on January 10, 2006, 09:44:34 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 10, 2006, 09:46:02 PM
Sony has jack to say about that. Chrono Trigger is Square Enix's IP and they're free to do what they want with it.
Post by: YenRug on January 11, 2006, 01:37:41 AM
Post by: Nephilim on January 11, 2006, 02:00:54 AM
so were is it? seems fake
Post by: Don'tHate742 on January 11, 2006, 03:41:26 AM
However, go to the discussion in the REV furom and you'll see why I called it fake from the beginning.
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 11, 2006, 05:13:48 AM
I'll be getting the original Zelda, Ice Climbers, Adventure of Link (which I owned but had no idea how to get through the first two minutes), DKC (possibly sequels), Earthbound, Super Mario RPG, Pilotwings (SNES and 64), Starfox SNES, some SNES Kirby games, LttP, Yoshi's Island, Goldeneye, and Sin & Punishment. And I may decide to get some others, too, especially if they add to the list.
Post by: animecyberrat on January 11, 2006, 05:28:01 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on January 11, 2006, 06:35:09 AM
What's Yoshi's Hunting? Is that another name for Yoshi's Safari? Some of of these titles aren't the "official" names of the games. Like "Kirby" isn't a game. "Kirby's Adventure" is. And on the N64 list it just says "Zelda". Well there are two N64 Zelda games. Which one is that refering to? Because of that I'm iffy about the credibility of the list. I just figure Nintendo would be very specific about the names for their products.
Post by: ThePerm on January 11, 2006, 06:42:08 AM
All that has to be done is a memory synch between two systems so the data doesnt differ when there are randomizers...the other thing that needs to be done is your controlls being sent through to eachother. If they can make these classic games on-line then it makes them new again in a way.
Post by: ThePerm on January 11, 2006, 06:43:35 AM
Post by: Knoxxville on January 11, 2006, 06:48:52 AM
Anyway, where the HELL is Super Mario All Stars? I mean, yeah, it's a whole lotta Mario in one package but surely they could just charge more for all those "prettier" Marios in one rip, yes?
Post by: joeposh on January 11, 2006, 06:53:45 AM
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Originally posted by: YenRug
So, nobody finding it suspicious that these sources have only been able to supply Joystiq with "screen grabs", rather than a URL link to the actual survey?
There's a very good reason for that. Typically surveys like this are invite only. Alot of third party evaluation groups have a pool of volunteers that they choose from based on some basic information they filled out previously and surveys they've taken in the past. The link they provide is unique for each user and once the survey is taken (or even started for that matter), attempting to access it again will only lead to a "This survey has already been taken" sort of screen.
My question is not, where's the survey, but how did they grab those pictures? Unless the site got sloppy, most surveys right click protect their surveys so you can't steal the information or mock ups. Whatever the case, such news is encouraging but I won't be getting my hope up until we see some concrete details direct from Nintendo.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 11, 2006, 07:14:57 AM
That would be cool but Nintendo providing what other have for ages isn't something I typically expect. I'd really like the feature though.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 11, 2006, 08:04:05 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 11, 2006, 08:43:43 AM
And If this is true I will be very happy...and I will be very busy.
I have a total of 43 games I want to download. Most likely I won't be playing all of them over again, but I want to have them in a format that I can keep them. I am seriously contemplating the Revolution being my last game system, and since it will have all my most loved games, I will be happy.
My breakdown:
NES:
16
SNES:
16
Nintendo 64:
11
And I know that this list will just grow. Specially since the Nintendo 64 list is very small in comparison to what it could become. Same with the other systems. If 3rd parties get involved then we are in for crazy fun.
I just hope we can get Super Bomberman 2 for SNES.
Post by: JonLeung on January 11, 2006, 08:45:34 AM
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Originally posted by: joeposh
My question is not, where's the survey, but how did they grab those pictures? Unless the site got sloppy, most surveys right click protect their surveys so you can't steal the information or mock ups. Whatever the case, such news is encouraging but I won't be getting my hope up until we see some concrete details direct from Nintendo.
Screen-capture programs, or usually PrintScreen can capture them. It's always possible to work around things, and right-click protection really is nothing. Maybe someone taking the survey had the foresight to snap some shots as they went along.
They're mock-ups, as was supposedly said, anyway. I expect, or at least hope, that the real final design is more sleek like the hardware itself. If this was a more public survey, I would think they would have something better-looking to show.
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 11, 2006, 11:39:55 AM
The screens being mockups probably didn't bother him...or the reporter was somewhat dimwitted and just took pictures of what he thought was important.
Post by: Renny on January 11, 2006, 11:46:44 AM
As far as some of the games being pipe dreams: since this is a survey, they're merely gauging interest for specific titles. A very positive response for an impractical title might be enough to warrant going through the hoops to get them. Goldeneye in particular is probably going to take some financial and/or legal finagling to redistribute, but is likely to be very popular from former to casual to core players.
Post by: Kairon on January 11, 2006, 12:00:58 PM
Joystiq is completely relying on several people who sent them this information. More than one, sure, but you could easily enlist a couple of other people who want to perpetuate a rumor.
The screens in particular are mock-ups, but of what? Mock-ups of what the survey had, or the exact mock-ups that the survey used.
I certainly don't rule out the possibility that this is true, but without even semi-soft evidence at my disposal I have nothing but hearsay. I mean, at least with the NGC Zelda:TP rumor we have NGC, a decent UK magazine, calling Nintendo's bluff on the speculation claim and basically laying their reputation on the line.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: ssj4_android on January 11, 2006, 01:14:48 PM
I wonder if these games will be rendered at a higher resolution? I believe the N64 was either a fourth or a half of normal NTSC TV resolution.
Post by: Artimus on January 11, 2006, 03:00:20 PM
Post by: Knoxxville on January 11, 2006, 03:08:18 PM
Post by: Kairon on January 11, 2006, 03:18:30 PM
Well...maybe Sin and Punishment or something like that.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 11, 2006, 05:06:17 PM
There is no way I will support a subscription service, because once I quit paying I lose all my games. No way. I want the downloads to complete a collection and have games to keep forever.
Though I dunno I completely trust IGN. Their Revolution news has been lacking and sometimes downright horrible. It's like they aren't reporting news, but reporting speculations from various sources.
Post by: Artimus on January 11, 2006, 06:43:06 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Though I dunno I completely trust IGN. Their Revolution news has been lacking and sometimes downright horrible. It's like they aren't reporting news, but reporting speculations from various sources.
That was directly from this survey, not speculation.
Besides, what speculation have they been reporting?
Post by: IceCold on January 11, 2006, 07:17:58 PM
Post by: Artimus on January 12, 2006, 03:32:31 AM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
Oh, I dunno, the SPECS ?
You still in denial over that? Whatever.
Post by: JonLeung on January 12, 2006, 03:48:19 AM
Or just go with what some people here have been suggesting; different prices for different games. By "generation" certain ranges are to be expected, typically higher on the N64 and lower and the NES. I'm sure they could even sell Final Fantasy for the NES for the same or even more than something like Kid Klown in Crazy Chase on the Super NES.
We probably talked about that before. I didn't see IGN mentioning anything about Super NES's possible prices. I've often believed that the Super NES had the best installment of most Nintendo franchises, so that's where I'd be spending most of my money. A lot of NES games get my attention too, so maybe even at a possible $2.99 each I'll be using up a big chunk of my paycheques if they can keep getting more games from other developers available.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 12, 2006, 05:31:20 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on January 12, 2006, 06:35:35 AM
KDR_11k is right in that this service is competing with piracy so it was to be cheap. I've got an adapter for my PC that lets me plug my SNES controller into a USB port. I can play pretty much any NES or SNES game for free right now. I can safely say that virtually any N64 game I don't already have but I want I could find for $20 Canadian or less. I don't think I can get any NES game I want for $3 but I'll bet I could balance it out with some games being more expensive and some games less. With these prices obtaining a used copy is probably still the better way to go. At least then you get a physical copy and the pricing is not that much different.
The subsription service sucks. You don't actually get anything for it. Once you stop subscribing you lose all those games. When the service ends you'll lose all those games. If you view it as a rental service then I guess it's okay but you're not really buying anything at all.
I have a feeling Nintendo's natural instinct to pinch every penny is going to seriously limit the potential of the download service. Much like $30 Player's Choice games the price range is just high enough that it seems like the seller isn't really offering you as good of a deal as they could.
Post by: ThePerm on January 12, 2006, 06:44:11 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 12, 2006, 06:46:37 AM
Speaking of which, I still need to get Kirby and Mischief Makers back from my friend.
Post by: ThePerm on January 12, 2006, 06:48:52 AM
Post by: IceCold on January 12, 2006, 07:32:13 AM
QuoteSorry, what? You asked what they were speculating over, and even if the Rev specs are true, it's still speculation as Nintendo hasn't said anything at all about them...
Originally posted by: ArtimusQuote
Originally posted by: IceCold
Oh, I dunno, the SPECS ?
You still in denial over that? Whatever.
EDIT: And about being able to get used S/NES cartridges - you can't overlook the fact that they're really old, and after 20 years or whatever, they're prone to breaking down, or the save battery running out. I had a few cartridges like this, and this problem won't occur for the download service.
Post by: vudu on January 12, 2006, 08:09:21 AM
QuoteWhy's everyone so down about a subscription service? I can see how you'd want to purchase some games, but I'm sure there are many you'd just like to try. A subscription in this case is nothing more than renting. I have a subscription to Netflix and I don't consider it wasted money. I'm sure everyone here subscribes to at least something--be it a phone (wireless or landline) cable tv or Internet, etc.
The subsription service sucks. You don't actually get anything for it. Once you stop subscribing you lose all those games. When the service ends you'll lose all those games. If you view it as a rental service then I guess it's okay but you're not really buying anything at all.
Subscriptions suck! Why should I spend $50 per month for cable Internet when I lose it if I stop paying? I should just build my own network for millions of dollars.
Post by: Knoxxville on January 12, 2006, 09:46:34 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on January 12, 2006, 10:12:43 AM
Yeah but when I lose my internet connection every file I've ever downloaded off the internet doesn't just magically disappear. That's kind of what this is like. It is sort of like renting but you get to keep your games as long as you pay. So it's kind of a tease. Personally it just bugs me. I would never be able to enjoy myself if I knew the games I downloaded would disappear the second I cancelled my subscription. To me that's like a magazine company going to your house and taking back the issues you got from them.
"And about being able to get used S/NES cartridges - you can't overlook the fact that they're really old, and after 20 years or whatever, they're prone to breaking down, or the save battery running out. I had a few cartridges like this, and this problem won't occur for the download service."
I know. My damn Earthbound cartridge is like this. But it's not that much different then having your games stored in memory that could also break down over time. Technically you can change save batteries and fix connectors. But if a game in your memory gets deleted it's gone. I've never heard of anyone owning a cartridge where the actual game itself has been permanently erased from the cart due to age. Plus with the downloads if your memory fries you lose EVERYTHING. With used copies you can lose some games but aside from a natural disaster or crime you're not likely going to lose everything all at once.
Post by: Artimus on January 12, 2006, 11:05:23 AM
Post by: stevey on January 12, 2006, 11:19:33 AM
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Originally posted by: ArtimusQuote
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Though I dunno I completely trust IGN. Their Revolution news has been lacking and sometimes downright horrible. It's like they aren't reporting news, but reporting speculations from various sources.
That was directly from this survey, not speculation.
Besides, what speculation have they been reporting?
Tp using the revmote was speculation
Post by: stevey on January 12, 2006, 11:33:16 AM
Post by: Artimus on January 12, 2006, 03:01:40 PM
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Originally posted by: stevey
Killer Instinct WOOT!Quote
Originally posted by: ArtimusQuote
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Though I dunno I completely trust IGN. Their Revolution news has been lacking and sometimes downright horrible. It's like they aren't reporting news, but reporting speculations from various sources.
That was directly from this survey, not speculation.
Besides, what speculation have they been reporting?
Tp using the revmote was speculation
That wasn't IGN's story...
Post by: IceCold on January 12, 2006, 04:40:55 PM
Well, you could always back it up to an SD card just in case anything were to happen..
Post by: Nephilim on January 12, 2006, 09:14:17 PM
so even if there was a blackout, just as u have downloaded it and whiped it, should allow you to redownload
Post by: KDR_11k on January 13, 2006, 03:58:16 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on January 13, 2006, 06:19:02 AM
Really? Okay so Nintendo is totally ripping us off with this $20 nonsense.
Post by: mantidor on January 13, 2006, 07:06:07 AM
Post by: JonLeung on January 13, 2006, 07:12:07 AM
Sure, a very, very public survey might not be worth it for its responses alone, especially if the results of this private one is already considered accurate, but it would at least spread the word about the Virtual Console. I wouldn't mind being approached in a Best Buy or Future Shop by a Nintendo rep asking me what I want to see available on this service.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 13, 2006, 10:25:17 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on January 13, 2006, 10:45:37 AM
I know what it's not really that different here. Emulation is easy and free. It's harder for N64 games but for NES and SNES it's just incredibly simple. That's Nintendo's competition here.
Post by: Michael8983 on January 18, 2006, 07:47:16 AM
Chances are this service is a going to be around for a long time and will transfer to Nintendo's future consoles but I agree that it would a risk to rely entirely on the subsciption service because you just never know what could happen. It could be a great way to try before you buy, though.
Post by: Artimus on January 18, 2006, 07:57:10 AM
