Post by: nemo_83 on January 09, 2006, 02:21:06 PM
"I started of VERY excited about the PS3. I was very confident that it was going to just destroy the XBOX 360 just on the name SONY alone. The more time that goes by the more I am becoming doubtful. Everything I’ve developed or seen developed has yet to be “next gen”. The poly counts are not really any higher, im not seeing sub surface scattering, im not seeing much HDR lighting. (or they are faking it and not really doing it), I’m not seeing next gen fluid dynamics or object dynamics. I suspect that you’ll be able to have more dynamic objects in a scene than before. But im not seeing games doing this yet. We dont have a controller, there is no network code and there is no box. Its still the size of a normal PC."
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on January 09, 2006, 02:34:58 PM
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 10, 2006, 07:49:40 AM
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Post by: cubist on January 10, 2006, 04:19:43 PM
What is potentially damaging is the Blue-Ray Disc format not catching on. Sony's upcoming format may be criticized by those who think the UMD format was pure arrogance on Sony's part; thus leading to PSP being currently outsold.
Back on topic: "Trashes PS3" on the topic title is a bit misleading. However, I share the same sentiments about the next generation not being all that big of a jump. Sure, it may look good in HD; however, it will still have the same gameplay mechanics that are possible with the current generation.
Huh?
Post by: Requiem on January 10, 2006, 06:21:11 PM
He really is trash talking the PS3. I mean, when Sony finds out, there will be some form of punishment given. Wouldn't that be enough "trash-talking" evidence?
Post by: cubist on January 10, 2006, 07:51:16 PM
If there's one point that should be echoed in here...(I believe that Ian chimed in on this...damn that guy writes his ass off in here)...Sony's domination in the console market is theirs to lose.
I think we'll see the validity of this developer blog at the next Nintendo Summit when Reggie talks about his "Ocean" nonsense part deux and just how Nintendo will be saying "I told you so".
However, The world is still round and I still believe that Sony is not stupid enough to make Nintendo mistakes (a la cartridge in the N64 era) to lose your stranglehold on the marketplace.
Hmmm..."Nintendo mistakes" was a bit harsh...since they are having DS success...although I'm still debating whether Nintendo was just plain lucky with their DS decisions mixed in with Sony's UMD arrogance...
Post by: KDR_11k on January 10, 2006, 09:27:44 PM
We were the only company to my knowledge that showed something that ran it live on the box. Even then it was a scripted event. You could not pause the camera and fly around the scene.
I seem to recall Epic saying the same except they did pause the game and fly around the scene.
I see Microsoft execs grinning from one ear to another. Sony´s claims that the PS3 boasts two teraflops computational power (apparently twice that of the Xbox360), if true, doesn´t seem to translate into a more powerful gaming machine.
1. As with the X360, the FLOPS number includes the GPU. The actual CPU is an order of magnitude less "powerful".
2. Most devs are running singlethreaded code on these CPUs. That's not exactly a good representation of the system's full capacities.
In closing, I started of VERY excited about the PS3. I was very confident that it was going to just destroy the XBOX 360 just on the name SONY alone. The more time that goes by the more I am becoming doubtful. Everything I’ve developed or seen developed has yet to be “next gen”.
Well, look at the PS2. It even looked worse than the Dreamcast when it was launched but despite being one piece of crap it sold the most.
But I would expect the full capabilities of the box to not show up until the system has been released PUBLICALLY for over a year.
What you say? It takes one year minimum for games to start using the full capabilities of a new console?
Really, that's a change from previous systems HOW?
Plus that guy works at SOE aka The Evil Empire. That they produce nothing noteworthy shouldn't come as a surprise. Well, okay, it does surprise me that SOE is supporting the PS3.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on January 11, 2006, 08:00:09 AM
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However, The world is still round and I still believe that Sony is not stupid enough to make Nintendo mistakes (a la cartridge in the N64 era) to lose your stranglehold on the marketplace.
Like no central online service?
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Hmmm..."Nintendo mistakes" was a bit harsh...since they are having DS success...although I'm still debating whether Nintendo was just plain lucky with their DS decisions mixed in with Sony's UMD arrogance...
No, not luck, nintendo understands that its software that sells a system and that the HH market is different than the console market, Sony just thought they could make a portable PS2 and it would steal the market and net them a bundle on UMD's (I knew the PSP was going to lose when they said it would have movies on UMD discs)
Post by: MysticGohan24 on January 11, 2006, 08:05:03 AM
didn't they also came out with a actual portable PS2 at one point?
Post by: stevey on January 11, 2006, 11:32:32 AM
No, Sony going with the bananarang
Post by: cubist on January 11, 2006, 07:18:24 PM
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"No controller? Is Sony planning to ripoff Nintendo? Again?"
No, Sony going with the bananarang
Uhmmm...no controller was shown at CES. That link is from November. Is it still the same controller? OR Is the Rev remote about to get ripped off?
Post by: Kairon on January 11, 2006, 07:41:47 PM
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Post by: couchmonkey on January 12, 2006, 05:27:00 AM
I think the PS3 is looking a bit shaky these days, but it's too early to really be making any predictions about failure. Right now we're groping around in the dark and grabbing at things that feel like mistakes, but I recall doing the same thing with PS2 (No exclusivity on Crash Bandicoot or Tomb Raider? No Resident Evil, no Oddworld? FAIL!) and look how wrong I was.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 12, 2006, 01:24:39 PM
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2666&p=2
Post by: Renny on January 12, 2006, 01:36:15 PM
Post by: cubist on January 12, 2006, 03:15:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Renny
You know what they say about consoles with small controllers?
What...small discs?!?
Anyways, Sony's PS3 controller isn't finalized...
QUESTION for someone with LEGAL KNOWLEDGE: Can Nintendo patents actually hold up to stop other companies from stealing their controller idea? OR was the WaveBird, Rumble Pack, Analog Stick under the same so-called Nintendo patent that does absolutely nothing?
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 12, 2006, 04:23:51 PM
If Sony copies Nintendo's idea now and its a failure, then they are a failure too. However, If Sony waits and discovers it is a success, then they can create a game around their own device, and market it as a must own title. (Monkey Escape and the Dual Analog Controller).
I don't think you have any fear of Microsoft or Sony copying Nintendo's idea until NIntendo is tested on their philosophy.
Post by: IceCold on January 12, 2006, 04:55:20 PM
Nintendo is going for new gamers, and not the ones that Sony and MS have control of right now. Unless these same gamers make the Revolution their #1 system also, and don't buy a PS3 OR Xbox 360, then Sony and MS will stay with the traditional control scheme. So even if the Revolution sells millions and even challenges for the market leader position, I don't think Sony or MS will use the controller if their userbase is respectable enough, and Nintendo isn't cutting into it. But if they sell significantly less consoles, and traditional gamers are buying the Revolution and NOT the PS3/360, then the controller will definitely be copied.
Post by: Arbok on January 12, 2006, 08:48:26 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
It's like the DS touchscreen - look how well it is doing, yet I don't think a competitor is going to copy it.
That's a bad example, as you can't really copy the touch screen dual presentation on a PSP, Sony would have to junk the handheld and start over in order to capture what Nintendo's system could do.
Post by: IceCold on January 12, 2006, 09:19:21 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 12, 2006, 11:15:25 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 13, 2006, 03:38:45 AM
The patent protects a specific implementation. If Sony used different methods to gather the same data they are free to do it but they can't use the exact same method. When they copied the rumble they changed some parts around, attached the decentered weight differently and thus avoided Nintendo's patent (while running straight into Immersion's). Since there are many implementations for measuring position/movement in space there is probably a different way that Sony can use.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on January 13, 2006, 04:25:32 AM
Post by: OptimusPrime on January 13, 2006, 05:28:55 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 13, 2006, 09:31:17 AM
A patent HAS to include "detects movements by means of __________ and interpreted as __________", otherwise it's invalid. The summary may omit these details but the actual patent text doesn't.
Comparison:
A patent on mixing certain chemicals to create a blue pigment does not conflict with a patent on mixing other (or even partially overlapping) chemicals to create blue pigment, although both will probably be summarized as "mixing chemicals to produce blue pigment".
Sometimes I think I should have chosen International IP and Internet Law instead of Computer Science...
Post by: cubist on January 13, 2006, 12:08:02 PM
I guess we'll just have to wait and find out just if the REV remote is going to get ripped.
Post by: King of Twitch on January 13, 2006, 01:55:14 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on January 13, 2006, 10:53:59 PM
