Post by: alphonso58 on December 25, 2005, 03:55:27 PM
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 25, 2005, 04:50:17 PM
Nintendo has ALWAYS been profitable.
Your a clown.
Post by: animecyberrat on December 25, 2005, 04:55:16 PM
Your post was obviously flame bait but I will actualy like to discuss this with you intelegintly if your capable of inteligent thought that is.
Heres a history lesson filed with FACTS.
Sega Enterprises released teh Sega Saturn to a market that was split by thier own system and thier competitors. When it launched they were fightining 3D0, Atari Jaguar/Jag CD, SNES, Neo Geo/CD, and the upcoming Playstation. Sega was VERY successful with thier Genesis and teh Sega CD was gaining support so Sega released the 32X to combat the existing competition especialy Nintendos own FX chipset. Then Sega announced the saturn woudl be available a year latter and 32X woudl be its little brother. This caused a split in thier user base, several peopel who were completley satisfied with thier Genesis (which lasted LONGER than Saturn) refused to guit on it and as a result either conitued to support what tehy had or get teh cd or 32x addons. SAturn LOST userbase cuz of this. Then a large portion of thier userbase was split between either getting a Saturn or the newcomer, playstation. At this time Sega underwent some management changes and was under misdirection and had some bad ideahs, first they chose to launch six whole months before announced and agreed to make it a LIMITED launch which left many stores (KB Included) feel leftout and angry (KB dropped ALL Sega suport form there on out as a result)
the E3 that Satrun was to launch Sony came out and in 1 word (299) they stole teh show AND Segas momentum. Sega had LOST already milions of dollars on Research and Development of the Sega CD, CDX, 32X, Saturn, and Never released Neptune (a genesis/32x/sega cd combo) and was acruing MASIVE debt durring thier three years of initial Saturn Suport, as a a result of lost market share, and profits Sega chose to ignore the Saturn and started workiong on the DC, they contracted with a major chip manufacurer to help make the system and then went iwth a totaly different chip set, causing a lawsuit and losing more millionsof dollars. When Saturn was officialy declared unprofitable they marked teh price down and stopped manufactoring units AND slashed teh rpcies to make room for DC. By this time Sega had lost already 3 Billions dollars. DC had a pretty good launhc BUT the announcment of PS2 using DVD as teh media caused MANY 3rd party companies to cancel projects for DC and swicth over to PS2 to take advantage of the bigger medium.
Sega lost a total of 4 billion dollars in three years and was on tehbrink of banruptcy. They chose to cease DC support to focus on going 3rd party to try and salavge thier company, in teh end they didnt make enough money and ended up merging with SAMMY a major Arcade manufactorur who also makes slot machines among other things. Sega Enterprises NO LONGER EXISTS!
Nintendo on the other hand has MADE more that 4 billion dollars in PROFIT in the time it took Sega to LOSE that much money. Sony continues to LOSE money AND had to BARROW money AND close factories and consolidate resopurces to stay alive, its unknown how long they can run on barrowed money or if they will also cease to exist, but as large as tehy are theres a better chnace theyc an survive than Sega did.
Nintendo has not EVER lost money nor operated in the negatives or with acrrued debt for teh lenght of time Sony or Sega has. Microsoft is a different story because they make more in a month than the otehr three companies ina year (look them up on Yahoo financial or nasdaq.com and get a clue)
Nintendo Revolution COULD fail because of the controller or it could be the next standard, YOU don't knw the outcome and neither do I nor anybody else.
Nintendo DS and GBA is outselling Game Cube, Playstation 2, Xbox/Xbox 360 and PSP COMBINED. Plus the Software for all three of thier systems make hefty ammounts of profit for them in addition to thier Pokemon division which can more than carry the company if need be.
I seriously doubt you will be replying with any intelligent arguments or conceded the points where youare wrong but I will let you knwo that Nintendo has been around over a undred years longer than thier competitors and scontinues to turn profit while EVERY company who has fought nNintendo head on has either lost money or is no longer in existance. They are a mighty force to be reckoned with and will surely out last Sony and Microsoft in the years to come.
EDIT last sentence is for teh fans give Nintendo your love they are the king!
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 25, 2005, 05:03:34 PM
UGH
Post by: animecyberrat on December 25, 2005, 05:08:55 PM
no seriously WTF is wrong with peole cant you forgive some typing erros!>?!?!?!
get a life this is casual informal conversation.
NOt English class!!@!!!
Ah &$^ it form now on Imma use the same slang style of talk I woudl regularly use in a real life conversation
so f-off bee-ahches
Post by: bmfrosty on December 25, 2005, 05:38:17 PM
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Post by: KDR_11k on December 25, 2005, 09:03:46 PM
Some? Yes. More spelling errors than words? No.
Post by: Kairon on December 25, 2005, 10:50:10 PM
I mean, you make real, sensible paragraphs. I can overlook spelling mistakes and extensive internet lingo as long as the darn text is formatted to be readable.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: stevey on December 26, 2005, 03:39:25 AM
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Originally posted by: alphonso58
Its just a matter of time before the Nintendo Revolution becomes the next dreamcast. Nintendo will keep its handheld but soon or later drop the system will make games like sega. Look at the controller, no one is going to want it just because of that. This is just a story of a gaint fighting a losing war. PS3 and Xbox360 will live, but not nintendo in this war of the Hardware. Theres only room for two gaints, look at the history of video gaming. Ok here comes the heat from the Fanboys
There so much worng in there that I dont know were to start. "war of hardwear" The dreamcast was stronger than the ps2 and every system this gen was stronger than the ps2, but the ps2 won. So it not hardware that make winner. The controller is great give it a try before you bash, and the bananarang the final ps3 controller
. "Look at the history of gaming" Let see the world of gaming near die when all the game maker just wanted money and forgot to make good games, then died, and nintendo came out with the revolutionary nes a save VG from hell. "only room for two gaints" No, there all has been diffent numbers of systen in every gen with one winner.
Post by: mantidor on December 26, 2005, 03:58:19 AM
Post by: Professor Gnarly on December 26, 2005, 05:46:41 AM
Post by: animecyberrat on December 26, 2005, 06:46:44 AM
be thankful its internet people NOONE can read my handwritting, not even me half the time
But the points I was trying to make hopefully got threw to bonehead topic creator. Sega lost this round because of MASSIVE acrued debt and fans who lost fait, AND Playstation 2 had a much larger userbase going in and far more hype.
I will tell you what my knowledge of Sega FAR surpasses my knowledge of Nintendo (which is thoroughly extensive enough) and theres just nothing that makes the Revolution ANYTHING like the Dreamcast. Sega made HUGE mistakes and so far Nintendos mistakes regarding Rev are minimal, well Revmote could be a HUGE flop but its still potential for success we dont know yet.
But I will draw the picture this way, compare contrast for better clearification.
When Sega began working on DC they were in massive debt and losing image and customer base
Right now Nintendo is actualy gaining userbase and faith and is still maintianing a profit.
When Sega began work on DC they had spent millions of dollars desgining asystem with a certain company and out of teh blue Sega of Japan who had a different chipset decided to switch over to the different system and caused a lawsuit costing not only millions of R&D dollars but legal fees, of wich they lost the fight and had to pay more massive ammounts of money to the party involved.
With Revolution Nintendo has built strong partnerships with thier chip makers AND has so far avoided legal battles by paying royalties where needed, (sony skimped on this and it cost them big bucks too)
Sega was following the dreamcast after three major failures, teh Sega CD, the Saturn and the 32X
Nintendo has had 1 major failure the Virtual Boy a,d the GC was nominaly succesful although not as good as they predicted it would be.
Sega caused a split in thier fanbase by confusing people with teh Nepturen Saturn debacle and many people felt they LIED to them too many times and would not buy a nother sega system ever, this ment many people were unwilling to even consider DC at first, myself included despite my loyalty to SEGA.
Dreamcast had serious 3rd party problems, they had Namco Capcom and a hadnfull of others making games but the major players like Ubisoft, EA, konami, and Activision had all pretty much ignored the system.
SO FAR Ubisfot, Namco, Activision, EA, Capcom, Konami, and many others have already pledge support of the system and are singing nothing but praises.
Dreamcast was using a form of CD that was superior to regular cd but smaller than DVD, which thier major competitors were all using.
Nintendo is going to be using a DVD standard that is pretty much on par with at least Microsofts system so wont be a major disadvantage this time around.
Sega was a dieng company fighint a losing battle.
nintendo is a wealthy company with a huge fanbase and a lot going for them.
I honestly think Revolution will be the number 1 console but its gonna take awhile to get there.
Sega even has a chance tomake a comeback if they wanted to, their fanbase has been growing, they now make huge profits instead of suffering losses and their catelog of games continues to grow and inprove yearly and if they chose to implement a backwards compatible system similar to Rev they have the same ammount of games going as far back as Nintendo does and could easily compete if they chose to.
Post by: ShyGuy on December 26, 2005, 07:44:32 AM
Post by: Kairon on December 26, 2005, 08:33:37 AM
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Post by: nickmitch on December 26, 2005, 09:30:26 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on December 26, 2005, 10:43:13 AM
Post by: animecyberrat on December 26, 2005, 04:50:00 PM
Um well if I rememebr correctly wasn't there a game for teh Sega Genesis that you were supposed to collect candy bars and soda pop? I can't rememeber for sure but it seams to me tehre was cuz I think peopel made abig deal at the time, it may have been SNES also but I am pretty sure there was.
Wait a second Little Nemo used candy as his weapon maybe thats what i was thining of...
damn memory why must you fail me in these matters!
And Super mario World had Chocolate Island and wasnt tehre a cheese cake bridge or something? have to dig out my SMW cart and take alook.
Post by: darknight06 on December 26, 2005, 06:28:01 PM
Post by: ThePerm on December 26, 2005, 06:34:07 PM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092115/
and whoa the kid is named harry potter
Post by: IceCold on December 26, 2005, 08:56:15 PM
Raw marzipan
Lindt white chocolate
Anyway, yeah.. SEGA...
As acrat said, the respective situations of SEGA and Nintendo are night and day... I just want to see some games!
Post by: eljefe on December 27, 2005, 04:40:04 AM
Long live Nintendo and all other innovators..
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 27, 2005, 08:02:11 AM
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Originally posted by: steveyQuote[fixed bad spelling]
Originally posted by: alphonso58
Its just a matter of time before the Nintendo Revolution becomes the next dreamcast. Nintendo will keep its handheld but soon or later drop the system will make games like sega. Look at the controller, no one is going to want it just because of that. This is just a story of a gaint fighting a losing war. PS3 and Xbox360 will live, but not nintendo in this war of the Hardware. Theres only room for two gaints, look at the history of video gaming. Ok here comes the heat from the Fanboys
There so much worng in there that I dont know were to start. "war of hardwear" The dreamcast was stronger than the ps2 and every system this gen was stronger than the ps2, but the ps2 won. So it not hardware that make winner. The controller is great give it a try before you bash, and the bananarang the final ps3 controller
ROFL now stevey's fixing spelling errors?
(No offense stevey, you're not as much of a clown anymore)
Post by: ShyGuy on December 27, 2005, 03:36:46 PM
Those Curly Wurly bars look interesting.
I've thought about picking up a Dreamcast, but only games I really want are Shenmue, Soul Calibur 1, and Seaman
Post by: animecyberrat on December 27, 2005, 04:37:55 PM
SEGA RULEZ!
J/K
Seriously though I wish teh Dreamcast could have done better because it woudl have stopped Xbox dead in its tracks and GC could have maybe had a better change cuz it would have been the most powerfull system.
Oh I forgot to ask does anybody know what happened to Vectroman remake that was coming out on current systems? I heard it was canceled or something but dont knwo what but I woudl love to see that game get made for the REV, and a new Toe Jam and Earl game the controller would be perfect for that.
Post by: Gamebasher on December 29, 2005, 06:17:54 AM
I was always enraged by Sony and their Playstation 2, and how they used cunning advertising campaigns, and so much money that SEGA didn´t have to spend, to crush the Dreamcast totally. When I read about how Sony fans were maliciously celebrating "The death of Dreamcast" I went totally mad with rage, and actually would have murdered them if I could have done it somehow. But instead Sony is now paying for their abusive ways, and "we don´t care"-attitude, which I find totally in order.
Never for one moment have I doubted that Nintendo will NEVER share SEGA´s fate, though. Nintendo might even return to become the market leader as Jim Merrick already stated. He stated it, but I THOUGHT it, long before!!!
For, noone can beat Nintendo in pure gaming spirit. They are, and will always be, the best!
Post by: animecyberrat on December 30, 2005, 05:31:37 AM
Post by: stevey on December 30, 2005, 12:10:45 PM
Post by: BlkPaladin on December 30, 2005, 03:14:17 PM
Hopefully Nintendo taps into this area by giving them a place to offer their software or make it easy to do so by themselves. Because they could foster quite a bit of talent and find maybe the next big thing.
mjb
Post by: nickmitch on December 30, 2005, 04:32:09 PM
Apple? Naw. Sega? Hmm. . .
Post by: Kairon on December 30, 2005, 04:47:30 PM
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Originally posted by: BlkPaladin
There is an instance I would like the Revolution to be like the Dreamcast. The Dreamcast was extremely easy to program for and it still has a loyal homebrew development community. There was talk about something like this when the Revolution information came out at E3.
Hopefully Nintendo taps into this area by giving them a place to offer their software or make it easy to do so by themselves. Because they could foster quite a bit of talent and find maybe the next big thing.
mjb
OH! I know! Nintendo should sell NES dev kits so that people can make their own NES games!
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Originally posted by: TVMan
This raises an interesting question: Who would enter the console market if MS and/or Sony should fail?
Apple? Naw. Sega? Hmm. . .
Either Hershey or Nestle would.
Personally, since an orphanage owns 51% of Hershey's stock, I wouldn't feel bad buying a Hershey game console. Beats the living daylights out of giving Bill Gates my money, lol....
Ah, I'm just playin', Ya knoz I luv ya gatez!
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Post by: Hocotate on December 30, 2005, 04:59:35 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on December 30, 2005, 05:28:20 PM
Post by: nickmitch on December 30, 2005, 06:16:00 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Nokia N-gage as a console! Imagine the possibilities!
Yeah, all 3 of them.
EA would seem to be the only one who would be capable of making a console but I don't think that even they have the balls for that. Sega might not want to take the risk again and probably won't be able to gain much 3rd party support.
Post by: BlkPaladin on December 30, 2005, 08:35:00 PM
Post by: animecyberrat on December 31, 2005, 04:55:29 AM
Also they have Sega making slot machines now too, I seen them at a casino i used to work for. Sega is definatley expanding and they made way more money than even Nintendo did last year so if they wanted to make aconsole they could easily fit in, but they would propably be better off waiting until they rebuild more trust and regain thier old image because tehres still al lot fo people who bash them just cuz Saturn and DC failed. I rememebr when Sega was on the verge of filing bacruptcy there was talk of Sega and Nintendo merging, that woudl have been perfect because then they would include the Sega library for the Rev. but no Nintendo was too bull headed to do such a thing and Sega wsnt going to sell out to one of thier chief competitors.
Post by: Gamebasher on January 01, 2006, 01:40:31 PM
They can deny it all they want, but I know for a fact that SEGA, as one of few, and even though they don´t have a console anylonger, has salvaged a lot for the gamers survival on said two platforms during this stagnation, by producing titles being way above the average and below-average games seen flooding the market. I have to merely look at the reviews scores for console games on, say, IGN, to tell how few games are really any good or really, really good! It´s companies like Nintendo, SEGA, Namco, Konami, Square-Enix, Rare (I almost didn´t want to mention them, but did anyway, as I still believe they have potential to return to the glory of the past once again) which continue to keep the market floating, and not sink like a certain luxury liner did in 1912!
So SEGA probably knows they could make mega bucks by returning to the hardware market, but only if they time it incredibly well, and that would mean not until either Sony or Microsoft throws in the towel! Some might argue that will never happen, but I think that one of them will have to bow out for reason of unprofitablity!!!
I don´t think SEGA would have a problem at all attracting support from third-party developers, since they are going to be forced to launch games on several platforms in order to remain profitable, and looking good in investors- and share-holders eyes!
So, perhaps we shall indeed see, that the two companies who were once the two most successfull in the business, with NES/Master System and SNES/Mega Drive, will once more return to the two top spots and duel it out again head-to-head! The emptiness left by the current two market leaders is bound to be whisked away, and filled out by pure gaming love from the Videogame Gods!
Post by: animecyberrat on January 02, 2006, 03:17:55 AM
Post by: JonLeung on January 02, 2006, 08:46:19 AM
Sheesh.
Post by: animecyberrat on January 05, 2006, 05:53:35 PM
I ama HUGE Nintendo fan I just like Sega alot also. I used to like them more but they made way too many mistakes.
Post by: IceCold on January 05, 2006, 10:10:39 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on January 06, 2006, 02:16:33 AM
Post by: Gamebasher on January 06, 2006, 01:03:12 PM
Post by: animecyberrat on January 06, 2006, 06:47:33 PM
Post by: Khushrenada on January 06, 2006, 09:42:07 PM
I don't think Sega would return to making consoles though. The fact that Sega is making more money now than they did while making consoles would be one arguement against it. I think some of the reasons that Sega lost the console wars are still there and would repeat themselves. Frankly, I'd rather see Sega become a second party to Nintendo. That would be huge. But I doubt that's as likely to happen as Sega returning to consoles.
But I think the market would be helped with a new console maker. However, it should be one that makes games like Sega or Nintendo. I know the complaint's been raised about Nintendo only making consoles that suit their needs and ideas and telling third parties to do it their way. This has been sited as one of the reasons Nintendo has poor third party support. But I don't fully agree with that. Sure, some game developers may resist following Nintendo's direction but I think the real reason is because Nintendo's games are usually better than the other developers. So, people buy Nintendo's games but don't bother with the third party's offerings. Third party decides Nintendo system isn't profitable, I'll go to this other system where I can dump my crap and make more money.
Why are Nintendo's games better? Because they've been making them longer and their system's provide what they need to keep making them of such high quality. Also, Nintendo needs their games to be of high quality to sell their systems. Thus they work hard at making sure their games excel. A third party doesn't have to worry about that and isn't concerned by helping sell a certain console. They just have to make sure the consumer buys their product.
That's the big problem with the game market. Sony and Microsoft aren't really making their own games to sell their systems. They instead try to buy other developers (Rare) or reach exclusive deals with them (Katamari Damacy). They instead use their resources to market and sell their console and leave it up to the developer to innovate or provide a stellar product. That's why we need another console maker that also makes their own games. Because, like Nintendo, they would work hard with their first party titles to help sell their system's and this would result in better games for the market.
Finally, I would just like to say that I don't think Microsoft or Sony are going to bow out soon. In fact, I don't think such a thing would happen until the time of PS4 and Xbox720. I think both are going to battle hard to the end of this generation. And if Xbox does manage to get ahead a bit, then I'm sure Sony's going to try hard next generation to retake it's former position. If it continues to lose more ground during that battle, they probably consider pulling the plug. If Xbox does better this generation, and comes closer to beating Sony or does beat Sony, they'll stick around for awhile. If they only do slightly better, the same or worse, then they may consider pulling the plug at the end of this generation. That's the only way I see one leaving and I still wonder if Bill Gates would be stubborn enough to try for a third time if the latter happens. Now, if Nintendo comes out as the leader and gains as much share as PS2 did this generation, all bets are off.
P.S - I realize this is pretty long and it might be a bear to read but remember - it was also a bear to write. Let's share the pain.
Post by: Ceric on January 07, 2006, 03:42:52 AM
Post by: mynameis on January 08, 2006, 05:28:12 PM
Post by: Gamebasher on January 14, 2006, 05:59:46 AM
I agree with you that it was very kind of SEGA to support Nintendo. Still, I do suspect that, at least in the beginning, it was more a question of making as much money as possible, as quickly as possible, in order for them to break out of the financial quagmire they were in then, after the hardware exit.
It is correct that the Nintendo way, is the right way. There simply is no other videogame maker in existence, who can make games which feels that way when one plays them.
Whether SEGA becomes a second party, or a re-enters the hardware market remains to be seen.
I don´t know what you mean, though, when you write that they still have some of the attributes which would create a repeat of the past if they entered the hardware market now. Which are they? I do see them as very much stronger now, and they have thrown in new and innovative games constantly, just like Nintendo themselves have done, and continue to do all the time!
I totally agree with you on you about the true reason behind the third-party support problem. I think that if Nintendo would once again become the market leader, they would control the direction of the entire market, which would save it once and for all.
"Why are Nintendo's games better? Because they've been making them longer and their system's provide what they need to keep making them of such high quality. Also, Nintendo needs their games to be of high quality to sell their systems. Thus they work hard at making sure their games excel."
Yes! And THAT is the same reason why I think that SEGA will one day be wanting to re-enter the hardware market. But, not until one either Sony or Microsoft are gone! Then they will fill out the vacant space left behind, since I don´t think there will ever be room for 4 hardware-makers on the market! We saw what happened to Nokia NGAGE and we see now how it goes for the latest all new entry to the handheld market!
I do agree that it won´t be until the next generation that we will see who will remain of the two console makers.
Thank for a nice post, by the way!
Let´s all keep sharing our ideas and insights!
Post by: Khushrenada on January 14, 2006, 09:07:55 PM
Let me explain my thought process in response to your question about what I think Sega's faults would be. It's not anything specific but I was just thinking back to the old days of Snes and Genesis.
If you had to choose one console, I would go with the Snes always. While Sega had some good games, to me, now and then, I always felt Nintendo's games were better. Now it might not be fair to compare this because I haven't played Vectorman but let's compare it to Donkey Kong Country. Vectorman was Sega's response to Nintendo's DKC, at least in graphics. Now, I don't know what the gameplay was like but choosing between the two, I'd take DKC. (And I consider DKC to be the worst of the Donkey Kong Countries). The reason is because I look at DKC and you've got characters that show personality. But Vectorman is just a bunch of shapes. At least from what I've seen, again might not be the best comparison.
The reason I bring that up is aside from a couple other notables like Sonic or Shenmue, Sega (at least to me), doesn't quite have this personality. I can't quite seem to find the words to discribe it. The best I can come up with is the reason my brother hates Sega. He always says they try to hard to be cool. Like Sonic Adventure 2 in the opening level of Station Square, they've got song's with lyrics. Or the final boss fight of SA2, the music has singing as well. I understand what he means by that. To me, the Station Square song can be corny and annoying but I do like the final song. So, to me Sega always has this sort of unbalance to it. I like it and hate it at the same time. Sometimes it works to their advantage and sometimes it doesn't.
One more example is F-Zero GX. I absolutely love this game and consider it one of the best experiences I've had with the Gamecube. I think it's outstanding and one of Sega's best games ever. The franchise really seemed to click well with Sega's collaboration. All the unlockables that Sega will throw in a game worked well. They gave each racer a bio and themesong. And again, while I like some songs compared to other, it gave a real good blend of personality. Even the whacked out story was pretty enjoyable. At the same time, people often point to the first scene of F-Zero with Black Bull being confronted by the badguy as one of the problems with Sega which I can only describe again as their trying to be too cool.
So, one reason being that I still feel Nintendo compared to Sega is the better software provider for the most part. The other is the fact that people must of chosen Sony over Sega for a reason and I'm not sure it was just the marketing of Sony. Yes, we can site the way they started to bungle up the release of their consoles as turning people away, but there had to be something from Sony that appealed to people more then Sega. The marketing might have helped but I think games like Final Fantasy 7 and Grand Theft Auto also helped steer people to that choice for a console. I'm not sure that if Sega went back into the console business they would necessarily get games that really seemed to appeal to people so much that would make them choose their console.
I'm not sure if I was able to fully convey my thoughts on the matter that well but it's more a feeling that I have then any real glaring evidence on their part. The truth is, I would consider buying a Sega console if they went back to market but I'd want to wait first and see what games it would get.
Now for some quick points:
I do see them as very much stronger now, and they have thrown in new and innovative games constantly.
I agree with you on this as well. I feel that Sega has really turned around and are much stronger. I know many people who still love the Dreamcast and consider it to be the console released. Most people agree now that it might be Sega's best console though I think for the most part it's pretty close between it and the Genesis. Still, with this sentiment and Sega games keeping their appeal, they are definitly stronger.
I agree with you that it was very kind of SEGA to support Nintendo. Still, I do suspect that, at least in the beginning, it was more a question of making as much money as possible, as quickly as possible, in order for them to break out of the financial quagmire they were in then, after the hardware exit.
That's a good point I never thought of before. Did Nintendo offer Sega some big contract to get the Sonic games on their console? Because Sonic is Sega's biggest money-maker (as far as I know) so it does seem strange that they wouldn't have released all games on all consoles to make as much money as they could. If not, then I think it really shows the support Sega has for Nintendo.
Two other things: If Sega does really support Nintendo, then why do we always seem to hear about Sega and Xbox collaborating? Last year, someone showed a chart of the evolution of controllers since Atari down through to the new Revolution controller. What I found interesting was they connected the Xbox controller as almost the successor of the Sega controller. Also, people always seem to talk about Sega releasing their back catalogue of games on the Xbox360 as a virtual library like Nintendo's doing with Revolution. Sega, I believe has never said that was happening, and has already made some deal with Gametap. But people always seem to think that Sega's more likely to do that then release them on the Revolution?
The final thing was, as I was posting this and referring to the Snes, I was thinking to myself as I often do, that the Snes was Nintendo's best console. I've got the most games for that system than any other Nintendo system. Then it occured to me. Maybe that's because Nintendo and Sega were the market leaders that helped make the games so good. Therefore, you're probably right that Nintendo and Sega leading the market would result in a better market for fans.
That's my novel. You probably weren't expecting something so long but stuff just kept coming to me.
Post by: Ceric on January 15, 2006, 07:52:41 AM
Sega was to Nintendo as Apple was to PC's
This generation, you'll like this it's ironic:
Nintendo is to the rest of the game industry as Apple is to the rest of the computer industry
This one is even better but I'll have to check you computer information badge here.
If we think of it like OSs:
Sega's Dreamcast is to Consoles as BeOS was to Computers.
Got to love parallels and associations. Interpret this as you may but those are my thoughts about as concise as you can possible be.
Post by: animecyberrat on January 15, 2006, 01:55:31 PM
Back when Sega announced they were leaving the console marlet Sega executives went on record stateing they would rather suport Nintendo because A) they have similar views on games, and B) Sega percieved Sony as the reason why they had lsot so much money, and C) teh GC was teh easiest to develop for and therefore they coulod make ports faster.
Now for Khushrenada
I have some testaments that may or may not matter to yo but pelase here me out. I was a STRONG Genesis suport from back in the day and I feel Sega has and still does have a much stronger line up of 1st party games than Nintendo, not that NOnetndos games arent good cuz tehy ahve some of the best games out there, but Sega had a lot more variety.
Please dont take this the wrong way its just me letting you knwo what great games SEGA did make and telling a little about them from a hands on point of view, verses hear say.
First a guik list of some of thier hits
Sonic the Hedgehog Series
Sonic ADventure Series
Virtua Fighter Series
Virua Cop Series
House of the Dead Series
Clockwork Knight Series (VERY GOOD GAMES)
Shenmue (one of the best games ever)
Vector man (nothing liek yuor description I will dexzribe better in details below)
Panzer Dragoon Series (very good AAA titles plus Sagas was the BEST 32bit era graphics hand down. Well ok FF7 was maybe slightly better but still good game)
Daytona USA series
Super Monaco Series
Alex Kid Series
Toe Jam and Earl Series (definatley must play these games!)
Streets of Rage Series (AAA titles and worth any purchase)
Afterburner series
Biohazard Battle (great game underrated but very good)
Shinobi (THE BEST Ninja series ever, even better than Ninja Gaiden and Double Dragon)
Eternal Champions
Phantasy Star series (first 4 are the S&^T!!! Online is so-so if your into MMORPGS)
Shining Force series (words cant describe)
Collumns (pretty good puzzle game)
Mr Bones (awesome game)
Bug! Series (pretty fun platformer with some humorous FMV sequences and lots of action)
Super Monkey Ball (not my thing but most peopel find it fun and stuff)
Skies of Arcadia (Great RPG)
Fighting Vipors series
2k Sports 2k2 and before are all Sega games also and were much better than most EA sports equivelents.
Joe Montana Football (one of the BEST 16 bit era football games and inspired Madden games too!)
Seaman (if yo havent played it your missing out)
and the list goes on. I couldnt ever list ever good game they make but I wanted to list some of thier better more popular games.
I wont get oo into descritpions cuz thast what gamefaqs is for butI will defend teh titles thsat equale or rival Nintenods equivelants just as someone who has been a supporter of both companies and has most of the games from each system.
Vector man was a lt more compleiing than DKC in that there was far mroe action and there was a lot more animations going on in the levels and he had so many moves. The Graphics were not the same style as DKC *great game in its own rigth but not even same class as VM due to Genre differences) but since that was Segas resposne to DKC it gets the comaprisons anyway.
Vector man is a Sci Fi action game where your fighting robots and such in very HUGE levels and you have some of the BEST graphics the Genesis was capable of. YES DKC was a good game too and deserves it props but Vector man was an Action game where as DCK was a platforing game with ugly apes as characters (ok I am biased I hate DOnkey Kong as a character but i like the DKC games)
Phatasy Star- These were the BEST role playing games Sega ever made, before they wentonline. Simliar to FF in that the stories changed every game but there were themes thatr an throughe ach game. Unlike FF however the Magic was always a mistery and there was space explorsation and aliens and Sci fi stuff going on too not just some coorpetaion/empire being greedy. Also the graphics were top notch for the time and teh game play was excelent. Plus these had GREAT stories.
NiGHTS Into Dreams This is THE game to own if you had or want a Saturn and if Sega ever wants to make mad cash all they have to do is re-release it for modern systems with updated graphics or make a true sequel and people will flock to it, this game was one of the few that made profit for Sega in thier troulbled years. Basicaly it is a platform adventure type quest game where you travel through DREAMS trying to defeat the Nightmare and resdtore peace to the Drams of your child characters. What makes it fun is theres 2 typs of gameplay, the standard paltforming running around collecting items and such and the way cool flying sequences where you get to do all kinds of amazing tricks and fly through lops and fight bosses and have fun.
Sonic the Hedgehog, I dont need to describe sonic nor tell how compelling his games are or why they are so popular, but I will say that Sega was right for making him thier mascot and they keep on making great Sonic games even today, ,mostly handhelds but the Advenure games are good and Shadow isnt too bad.
Sonic really isnt in the same class as mario nor should the be compared or contrasted rather Mario has great attributes and appeals to many peole and Sonic has great attributed and appealls to masses as well. Basicaly for comparison skaes though Mario has always and propably will always focus more on platforming and pwerups and stomping enemies and just all around fun stuff, Sonic however is known for being far more action oriented and MUCH faster paced and generaly easier to beat than Mario games. Both are great and niether is better than the other. Sonic is all Sega Needs to survive but its sure as hellisnt all they have thank God.
Super Monaco and Sega Rally- These are hands down some of THE BEST arcader racing games out there, and SEGA has a history of making some of the BEST Arcade racing games in the industry, dont take my word for iot, Nintendo seen this too and let Sega make 2 arcade racing games for them, now thats how good thier reputation is in the arcade racing feiled, second to NONE. HEll even Virtua Racing and Daytona USA are good. I hate it that Nintenod never tries to make racing gamesd up to the quality of Sega because the GC was sure lacking in this field and Nintendos F Zera never cut it for me. I hear its a good game and tahst fine but Sega hands down owns the arcade racing title and they have so mamy more great racing ames I cant name them all. Not to mention teh fun and humorous Crazy Taxi and its clones
Virtua Cop/House of the Dead These are 2 of the nighest rated and most popular Light Gun arcade games arend and 2 of the most fun ones at that. House of the Dead was the first game to push the Dreamcast ahrdware to its limits in the Arcade board and the 3rd instal ment was too powerful for even the Xbox so Sega left it Arcade only. (havent heard if they plan to bring it to 360 or Rev but I will buy whatever system gets it tahst for sure.)
Virtua Cop is same story, Sega made a fantastic game that pushed the system to its limits and keeps getting sequels and keeps getting better and better.
Virtua Fighter now thisis a milestone for Sega, its THE game that sold 32X systems AND Saturns in the begining and why in the first year Satuirn OUT SOLD Playstation. VF 2 and 3 also were million sellers and then 4 and 5 sorta got lost in the mix due to the rise of SC and TEKKEN but the series lives on and even gets spin offs once in a while (VF Kids, Fighters Megamix, Virtua Quest, etc)
Panzer Dragoon Now this is a series that Sega has not taken lightly and its sad they dont do more with it. These are definatley very compelling and intense action shooting games that take place ina fantasy world and if you neve rplayed any of them believe me tehse games are TOP NOTCH. Nothing before or after compares to the originality and complexity of these games. Yet there maintian strong gameplay and very intriguing story lines. Also the series had a highly accliamed RPG tie in Called PD Sagas and an Xbox exclusive sequel.
Streets of Rage/Altered Beast I will lump these two togetehr as they have many similarities. Both are arcade style Ebat em ups and both are GREAT agmes. Streets of rage was fast paced action and decent soptry and charcters for genre and AB was pure genious. It was a fantasy based action game witha tiwst, you were humans to star out and then upgraded into anilmals and then dragons. This game and series lives on today and will probably get a good sequel when the time comes and could very well be system sellers if Sega choe to reenter the market and if they did right.
I knwo theres way too many more games that Sega has they OWN thier competition and if Sega choses to start spreading these franchises around next Gen they will surely live on. Also if they chose to reenter console market they could easily do so now that they have better management and tons more money plus new fans and strong franchises and some of the best talent around Yu Suzuki and Yuji Naka are up there with Miyomoto for sure.
Post by: IceCold on January 15, 2006, 04:25:15 PM
Did you know that Nintendo didn't actually develop F-Zero GX; it was .. guess who? SEGA! They outsourced the franchise, and I must say, Sega did a great job on it. It was a bit shallow, but the gameplay itself was brilliant. And if you really consider yourself such a big SEGA fan, do yourself a favour; give this game another chance. You won't be disappointed..
Post by: animecyberrat on January 15, 2006, 05:08:52 PM
that was exactly what I was saying, how GREAT Sega is at making Racing games, and hwo I wish Nintendo couldmake good racing games also, Crusin USA was good and it was exclusive to Nintendo but it was made by Midway.
Anyways I havent played F-Zero I just seen the cars in F-Zero and am not into futuristic style racing games, kinda like why i didnt like Wipe out so much. I am into REALISTIC looking cars and racing games, kinda why I like most Sega racers, and of course Gran Turrismo.
That just goes back to teh complaints I have always had with Nintendo and thier recent f-ups with Game Cube, there are so many types of games it is missing its sickening. And most of what is offered is midiocre except the occaissional oddities.
What I was saying though was I dont think people see how great of a company As far as games goes that Sega really is, and was using every example I know to show how many good games they have and how they even have genres Nintendo doesnt. The Dreamcast actualy sold pretty good while it was in production and the games were selling well too, Sega was just in such massive debt from previous years and the knew that once the PS2 marketing blitx begun they wouldnt stand a chance, considering how the first playstation, while inferior technologicaly to Saturn AND Dreamcast, managed to out sell BOTH combined. Sega knew they had to exit Console market to stat afloat and it didnt sdo them much good anyways they ended up Merging with abigger company just to keep thier properties alive.
Now that Sega has more money than Nintendo AND they are increasing their fanbase by spreeading thier properties around they actualy standa good chance of making a return to consoles, IF they chose to do so and if they decided to market it right. I can honestly see them say, goig with a console that plays thier back catelog of games, Virtual Console style for cart based games, and maybe including built in emulators for the disk based stuff if possible. I can also see them making some extremely excelent 1st party games for the system and building ties to 3rd party developers, the Dreamcast, although sold less than GC, did not suffer the YOU KNWO WHAT image Nintendo has and actauly had a larger variety of games in its short lifespan.
Also many games that were started on DC were ported to other consoles after teh demise of DC and in fact Dreamcast kept going in Japan and other teritories until 2003. And I think it was late 2004 when the last DC game was published officialy.
Also I was over at Sega forums today and have been reading some of the posters comments thier and it no surprise they are all praying for the death of Nintendo and the return of Sega.
Sega fans are way more unreasonable than Nintendo fans it seams.
If Sega is to return to making consoles it probably wont be until a year or two after ps3 and rev get going so they can see what happens thier. Sega is more than competent when it comes to making games and marketing systems, infact they actualy are far braver than Nintendo when it comes to marketing, they just made some bad managment calls a few years ago and hopefully learned from them. I do like how Sega executives and developers all praise Nintendo and admit openly they prefer making GC games and will support Rev also. I just hope that the new Sonic game gets to the Rev because frankly I will have to go where ever sonic goes im more Sega fan than Nintendo fan. Ok well only slightly because I like both a lot.
Post by: IceCold on January 15, 2006, 06:59:06 PM
Post by: darknight06 on January 15, 2006, 07:45:51 PM
Crazy Taxi was good for an hour and died right after that. Very overrated IMO and didn't need to be ripped off.
Phantasy Star 4 was the best out of that bunch, the rest I could care less for. That goes double for 3.
Sega's racing games were decent games, but to me it felt like if I've played one, I've played them all. Same goes for their lightgun series.
Dynamite Cop is a fun little diversion, BUT THAT'S IT!
Shinobi does NOT beat Ninja Gaiden, maybe the arcade ones but definitely NOT the home series.
The Sonic Adventures (SA1, 2, Heroes, Shadow) don't even exist in my view. Shoddy gameplay, yet trying to look too cool and failing in the process. They don't even touch the 2D games.
Eternal Champions is a disgrace to fighting games, hugely unbalanced, controlled poorly, and even went as far as to RIP OFF SNES Street Fighter 2 sound effects. I can't believe you mentioned this.
Same thing goes to Fighting Vipers and Last Bronx, like the DoA series it was only made to make people who sucked at fighting games look good. SSBM at tournament level is FAR superior in gameplay depth, whether it's traditional or not. (believe me, many top players see SSBM as a top fighting game whether you want to believe it or not, I attend the tournaments all the time alongside Tekken 5.1 and Soul Calibur 3)
Trust me, Sega is good, but they aren't nearly as godly as you're making them out to be. Nintendo isn't godly either.
Post by: Khushrenada on January 15, 2006, 08:26:44 PM
In reference to Vectorman, I stated that it was just my perception. I know the game is in Sonic Gems and I'd like to try it sometime but I didn't know much about it. So, I'm glad someone set that straight.
In refernce to your game list, I have to say that about half the games I recognize and the other half I don't. Maybe it's been to long since the Genesis days. Of course, I've always followed Nintendo products more then Sega. You're probably right when you state that most be don't see Sega as a great of a company they are. The truth is, it hasn't really been since they started working with Nintendo on the Gamecube that I really began paying attention to them and the games they release.
I'd agree with your statement that Sega's console's have a wider variety of games. I was referring before how Nintendo is defined by their franchises, has a personality and an image, even if to some people it's tiku tiku tiku! , where as Sega it's hard to describe them. Maybe it's because they have such a wide range of genre's that you can't really define Sega with a few concepts. Again, I'll just state how that might be part of the problem. As someone who has not really followed Sega or is a huge Sega fan, it can be hard to seperate it from Sony.
I know you might not get that because you stated that whole library but just try to follow how I get that. You stated that you like realistic racers and you stated Super Monaco Sega Rally and Gran Turismo. Now, I'm sure there are big differences between the gameplay of those titles. I've never played them because I myself don't care for realistic racing games. Now, the point I'm getting at is, how is a person supposed to know which game is better by looking at them? They're all racing games with realistic vehicles set in the real world. If I don't recognize the game developer, how am I supposed to know which is better? If I don't know half of the other Sega titles or what they're about, how can I compare it to other games in the same genre? I think that's one thing Nintendo does well. They differentiate themselves from the competition. Mario Kart, Baseball, Soccer and so one. You know what you're getting with these titles. People may accuse them of using their franchises too much but it helps seperate their game from the competitors by showing something people recognize. However, with all the racing clones out there, how do you know your going to get a better game with Sega Rally then with Ford Racing?
Now, I know you've got a better understanding of Sega than I do and I'm not trying to argue about which developer is better. I'm just trying to post what I felt might still be a problem with Sega re-entering the market. Namely, they just have to be able to distinguish themselves. I think Sony and Sega sort of blurred together a bit with a few genres and both appealled to the same audience. Since a lot of that audience was getting frustrated with Sega, they went with the closest thing which, to me, is Sony. Anyways, that should hopefully let you know where I'm coming from on this and what my perception is.
Post by: animecyberrat on January 16, 2006, 05:39:01 AM
I wasnt atacking I was educating just cuz I am a Sega loyalist and must defend them to the death
Seriously though I do think that Sega had a good chance of building a good fan base and forming alliences with dvelopers since tehy have a history of making great games. Sega has more games in the Hall of Fame and in Museums and things liek that than any body else. Epescialy Yu Suzuki, he gets credit for the bulk of Segs hits. Shemnue, Virtue Fighter series, Virtua Cop Super Manaco, Shinobi, and more.
Also Sega has been the undisputed King of Arcades forever, not just from Sega fans view, but from bussiness and innovative stance, they make more arcade games than any body, and tahst I guess what I lvoe aout Sega they make Arcade games and translate those to consoles so wonderfully and I am a huge arcade fan.
To Darkknight I agree that some of those games are crap I was just listing the games tehy are known for cuz I got the impression they were being ignored and as deleopers they have many good games that get drowned out by all the other crap, you knwo just like eveyr body else.
Anyways I just love Sega and Nintendo both a lot but I always liked Sega a little more, mostly they have diversity and put a lot of effort into thier good games and they kick ass at arcade games. and Um VR Cop and House of the Dead are suposed to play liek eveyr other light game, tehres only 1 formula for good light gun games and they nailed it right the first time. But yu gotta be a fan of light guns games to care.
Post by: IceCold on January 16, 2006, 01:31:50 PM
Got Burnout 2?
And if you're such a big fan of arcades, then I don't understand why you don't like the concept of the Rev controller. It has immense potential, and really, it is the only one that can truly bring the arcade experience home. That's one of the reasons I'm excited for it, since I can just imagine what developers like SEGA will do with it.
Speaking of which, F-Zero GX had that arcadey feel that SEGA is known for - the music, the speed and everything. So, again, please at least try it once and don't make a judgement so quickly.
Post by: animecyberrat on January 16, 2006, 02:35:57 PM
And I still havent mad eup my mind on revmote, I said that so many times before, I have doubts about certain areas but I expect that shooting games, especial the light gun type, will be perfect and that somehwat excites me. Plus I plan on playing Duck Hunt first thing.
I guess I dont rememebr saying I hated the revmote I only thought I was saying it has potentil to suck and I dont put much stock init untilk i see hwo it works first hand. Other peopel have similar doubts it called fear of change and for me I can adapt easily most of the time.
Post by: Gamebasher on January 19, 2006, 08:53:30 AM
But it was clear to me that SEGA has lost none of it´s potency, yet is being eternally surpassed by Nintendo in terms of sheer gaming genious! I see them as Number #1 (Nintendo), and #2 (SEGA), with the Nintendo games being more wholesome, more complete, more lasting, and more replayable! It really shines through that SEGA made their way from mostly arcadey like type of games, with Nintendo actually going away from that in the early days after that market had secured it´s first real success, and then going into exclusively making games for home consoles. That must be the reason why they are the best in console gaming overall! Makes a lot of sense, I think!
I believe that if SEGA can get it´s games to shine on the Revolution with that fabled new controller, grounds will have been created for it to launch a standalone SEGA console again. It is simply a question of beefing up enough userbase support and brandname recognition once again, taking gamers from Playstation and over to Revolution, and keep them really happy there. Then, once one of the other two bows out, space is left for them to fill out with their next-generation Dreamcast!
And do you know what? I really really think this is all going to happen! It is a secret though, why I think so!
Post by: animecyberrat on January 20, 2006, 05:08:27 AM
BUT as much as i hope for Sega to returnt o consoles, staying with Nintendo only is not the way to go, they have been building thier fan base by staying multi platform, just go over to Sega forums and chat with teh guys tehre, most hard core Sega fans, hate Nintendo and hate how much Sega suports Nintendo. They all back up wither ps2 or Xbox as does Sega.
I think Sega will continue with thier proven strategy of spreading thier games around as thats how to buld brand recognition. Also Sammy who owns Sega now has goenon record saying they want Sega to fade out of COnsole business all together and focus on Arcades, where they dominate right now. As long as Sammy is around to tell Sega no new consoles then tehre will be no new consoles.
I do however urge you Nintendo fans here who also like Sega to go ver to sega.com and see what they guys there actauly say about Sega and Nintendo, most of them are pissed Sonic games are all over GC. Me I think Sega and Nintendo have similarity but Sega has many ideals Nintendo disagrees with. Also Sega still has thier Theme parks and Sonic is the ONLY Non Disney character featured at Disney world, not Mario but Sonic, so they definatley do have that mass appeal and name recognition, not to put mariodown he kicks ass too, but I do think Sonic is bigger now.
Post by: JonLeung on January 20, 2006, 08:56:32 AM
There were two Sonic the Hedgehog cartoons back in the early 90s (I'm not talking about the more recent Sonic X). One of the cartoons was by Dic. Another was by Disney. At least I recall that being the case.
And I believe Walt Disney World has/had Star Tours, based on Star Wars. I don't know if it has anything to do with Disney being involved in the Ewoks/Droids cartoons or whatever.
In any case, I don't see what the big deal is about Sonic at Walt Disney World/Disneyland/EuroDisney/wherever. You made it sound like being featured at a Disney theme park says you've "made it". If that was the case, why doesn't anyone care what the heck Mickey Mouse is up to these days?
I don't understand why Sega fans should dislike Nintendo still. I think Sega and Nintendo are more similar to each other than Microsoft and Sony.
Post by: ShyGuy on January 20, 2006, 09:43:29 AM
Post by: IceCold on January 20, 2006, 11:22:01 AM
That's absurd.. Sonic games get rejected on both the PS2 AND the Xbox, whereas he's found a home on the GameCube. What kind of reasoning is that? And I thought real SEGA fans hated Sony more? Then why would they want Sega to support the PS2?
Post by: The Omen on January 20, 2006, 02:36:56 PM
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That's absurd.. Sonic games get rejected on both the PS2 AND the Xbox, whereas he's found a home on the GameCube. What kind of reasoning is that? And I thought real SEGA fans hated Sony more? Then why would they want Sega to support the PS2?
Because the Sega-Nintendo bad blood(in terms of fans not necassarily companies) goes back to 1990.
Post by: Ceric on January 20, 2006, 03:20:35 PM
PS- He's also doing wicked Kung-fu in a black robe.
Post by: animecyberrat on January 20, 2006, 05:26:32 PM
I also am confused why Sega fans hate Nintendo so much and liek Sony especialy since Playstation is what hurt them the most, but PS2 does get Segas better games, Sonic aside. Game Cube gets a few decent Sega games here and there but the REALLY good ones got o either ps2 or X-box and since Panzer Dragoon and Sega Rally are on Xbox and those are big time Sega gamers games it amkes sense to me.
I got an Xbox for Panxer Dragoon and Toe Jam and Earl 3 since they are exclusive to that system, well and Shemue 2. But I see Sonic on GC and I buy those also. I wanted PS2 for Shinobi and a couple others but I think GC and Xbox is enough for me, since Sega is known for releasing thie big games over on PC also. So I am pretty covered as Sega fan. And the DS gets good support also.
And I agree with woever said that alot of hurt feelings stems form SNES days, Sega fans are still sore that SMS and Genesis were out sold by Nintendo systems. I always did like Sega more but Nintendo was always a close second for me. But what do I know I still play my Atari 2600 and am currently seeking 3Do and Neo Geo games/systems.
Maybe it has something to do with hwo Sega commercials used to bash Nintendo so much and now its alot easier to make fun of Nintendo so Sega fans feel better following Sony or Microsoft. Also tehre was the nasty rumor that Microsoft bought Sega and teh fact that Dreamcast had a Windows logo on it. So Sega fans maybe are kind drawn to Xbox, I hear a lot of people comparwe it to DC in so many ways and I kinda agree to some extent.
But if they want to make aconsole in the future they need to doa beter job at winning success in Japane, they always had Europe locked down and had greater success in US but Japane they always bombed. Even though Japan got better games a lot of the times.
I used to hang out ont he Sega boards daily, like I do here, but the people there are far more imature than here and I got sick of the stupidity coming form those jerks all the time.
anyways thats all i got for now I dont want to starta fight I just wanted to mention how Sega is gasining ground in making a comeback in peopels minds. but its not worth it to starta fight so Ill let it be for now.
Post by: Ceric on January 20, 2006, 05:53:14 PM
Post by: animecyberrat on January 20, 2006, 06:00:25 PM
I just got rid of my saturn recently which i wont explain but Nighst was one of my most played games on it. But I think theres game out now that surpase it in gameplay but what made it so cool was playinginside DREAMS, kinda liek what makes Nightmar eon Elms Street so cool is cuz Freddy is in your DREAMS/ but only if you care about dreams I guess.
Post by: The Omen on January 20, 2006, 06:24:03 PM
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Maybe it has something to do with hwo Sega commercials used to bash Nintendo so much and now its alot easier to make fun of Nintendo so Sega fans feel better following Sony or Microsoft.
The hatred definitely started with those Nintendo bashing commercials. Suddenly, Nintendo fans were made fun of because they liked Mario, and not the cool Hedgehog. It was pretty personal for a long time. I feel a lot of Sega fans jumped to the Xbox after the Dreamcast because they didn't want to go with Sony, who caused theDreamcast's demise, nor did they want to crawl back to Nintendo.
Obviously, if you were too young in the early 90's to care either way, you probably would think this is poppycock. But I was in it, and dealt with it daily. It was not pretty, and I still have a bias against Sega, almost on a subconcious level.
Post by: Renny on January 20, 2006, 07:40:47 PM
Post by: animecyberrat on January 21, 2006, 05:33:04 AM
And yeah I do think a lot of it is because Sega fans dont want to support the two companies responsible for killig NIntenod, but when we have discusions about why most chose X-box what they SAY is that its cuz Xbox is more liek DC than any other system, and I agre to certain extent, especialy the controlers have some similarities, plus DC was i]the online system before Xbox.
So far Sega looks liek they are giving 360 a ton of support too, mostly cuz thats where they make money.
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Post by: The Omen on January 22, 2006, 03:23:51 PM
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I don't buy that Sega fans migrated to the Xbox. And the sales back me up. I believe that all multiplatform Sega games have done best on GameCube, also. [Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.]
That has more to do with Ninty fans buying Sega games than Sega fans coming over to Nintendo.
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Well the few Sega fans I know went the Xbox route because of the announced games when they first went multi-platform. What I noticed is he didn't buy the Sega games when they came out That might of happened. One of the reasons why Sega's game may of sold better on Nintendo's platforms is that Nintendo fans even some of those back then have a bigger mind when it comes to these things and we like our classic gaming.
Exactly.
Post by: animecyberrat on January 22, 2006, 05:14:45 PM
heres apage with a list of SEGA games sold this as of 2005, has all major systems, DC excluded and it looks pretty interesting.
I cant tell if its JUST for 2005 or if its entire lifespan but I will keep looking.
Post by: Renny on January 23, 2006, 07:09:24 AM
And Xbox sales are complete scheisse across the board. If Sega 'fans' really did go to Xbox, just to ignore the games, I don't think Sega ever had fans (or they became extremely resentful). 3,516,972 per 35 titles (100,485:1).
Post by: animecyberrat on January 23, 2006, 06:19:37 PM
And I dont weally think the hardcore Sega fans all went to xbox i just thikn they prefer xbox to win over Nintendo, at least tahts how tehy always proclaim it, cuz they keep bicthing how GC is where SOnic is at so yeah they are forced to buy GC. Since SOnic was missing from Xbox for a long time.
But I am starting to see alot of Support for Rev over at Sega forums latley so things could be stirring up. Sadly too many hard core Sega fans stuck to DC adn only buy games for it and boycot all the newer systems so that could have an affect also. Considering Dc still gets games released for it every so often.
Post by: Renny on January 23, 2006, 10:11:20 PM
But yeah, I guess they never had the same kind of 'die-hard' following as Nintendo. Really though, fans of Sega/selective Sega games and Nintendo fans are kindred spirits. Sega are a damned good developer and could really show off the Rev. They could be the big third party that gives it a good early start. [Still dreaming of a Panzer Dragoon for the Rev.]
Post by: animecyberrat on January 24, 2006, 04:49:51 AM
Post by: Gamebasher on January 24, 2006, 08:55:25 AM
Strangely the XBOX 360 reminds me in some way about the DC, at least in the way of the joypads and the white color. Could this be what a next-generation Dreamcast would have looked like had SEGA been designing it?
Post by: Ceric on January 24, 2006, 10:24:51 AM
Post by: animecyberrat on January 24, 2006, 05:27:17 PM
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