Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 05, 2005, 12:19:05 PM
Post by: mantidor on December 05, 2005, 12:52:52 PM
From Thief to orgasm simulator, awesome developer.
Post by: wandering on December 05, 2005, 11:29:04 PM
Though, really, did they have to use a cute bunny? That kind of creeps me out.
Post by: Bloodworth on December 05, 2005, 11:44:42 PM
Post by: wandering on December 11, 2005, 11:41:35 PM
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The hope is that the game would entertain females - without them ever needing to understand the sex metaphor. But at some point when they did start figuring out the connection to their own sexuality and pleasure, they would have learned some ideas and techniques behind sexual satisfaction.
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The DS is already a popular platform with females
Nintendogs, Tamagotchi and other upcoming female-friendly titles (Animal Crossing) should ensure that there is a good (large) consumer base
The touch screen and audio input features are crucial for tactile, intimate gameplay
The portability means you can take the game anywhere – including OUT of the living room, into the bedroom.
Reasonable price point means players probably have their own DS and aren’t sharing with another family member.
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SO!
What is this game?
Lapis - A magical pet adventure
(And… a stealthy primer on female sexual pleasure)
God, this is disturbing. I take back my previous thumb up.
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 12, 2005, 01:57:07 AM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on December 12, 2005, 02:19:49 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 12, 2005, 06:16:34 AM
QuoteI usually try to leave my vagina attached to my g/f.
Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
I need this game, I can't find my vagina anywhere. =(
Post by: couchmonkey on December 12, 2005, 06:44:53 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 12, 2005, 08:25:33 AM
Post by: nickmitch on December 12, 2005, 11:59:04 AM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on December 12, 2005, 03:47:30 PM
Post by: Nile Boogie on December 12, 2005, 04:47:05 PM
Post by: wandering on December 13, 2005, 07:24:20 PM
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The only people complaining are those who think that not telling their children about sex before they're 18 prevents teen pregnancy.
This has nothing to do with people morons who think it's a good idea to force schools to lie to teenagers about sex and whatnot (said people generally aren't after preventing teen pregnancy, BTW. At least not in the states. Anyway.)
The designer of this game is a person who wants to be a part of children's private sexual development. And when adults try to become a part of that, it's usually psychologically damaging to the child. This isn't teaching children about sex - or even masturbation. This is a simulator designed to provoke the child to sexually stimulate a virtual living being. That's wrong. Period.
Post by: KDR_11k on December 14, 2005, 01:29:52 AM
You don't sexually stimulate the bunny, it's just that it reacts in the same way as parts of the female sexual organs. "The hope is that the game would entertain females - without them ever needing to understand the sex metaphor." Sounds like it's not obvious what the game is about unless you happen to know it already (and therefore it's not obvious for children and it'd certainly not traumatize them) and maybe the kid will understand the lessons from the game once they understand how genitals work.
I mean, what kind of damage could understanding how masturbation works do? More than the hidden christian stuff in Chronicles of Narnia? Showing a kid some hardcore porn may be damaging, having them play with bunnies with a hidden metaphor the kid doesn't understand won't do that.
Post by: Mario323 on December 14, 2005, 05:33:05 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 14, 2005, 07:51:29 AM
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 16, 2005, 07:04:42 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 16, 2005, 09:14:10 AM
VIOLENCE VIOLENCE VIOLENCE
KILL
Post by: KDR_11k on December 16, 2005, 08:54:40 PM
Post by: MrMojoRising on December 16, 2005, 11:34:33 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 17, 2005, 12:37:25 AM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on December 17, 2005, 10:21:38 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 17, 2005, 08:40:54 PM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on December 18, 2005, 03:38:38 AM
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 23, 2005, 11:02:31 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 23, 2005, 09:38:10 PM
Post by: 31 Flavas on December 23, 2005, 11:18:18 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 24, 2005, 06:47:23 AM
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 25, 2005, 04:44:01 PM
Post by: odifiend on December 25, 2005, 05:45:30 PM
Technically this is a puzzle game inspired by sex. It is no different from Miyamoto being in the shower and coming up with the idea for FLUDD or whatever.
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 25, 2005, 05:48:34 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 25, 2005, 07:58:32 PM
What! How dare you! Marriage? Bringing evil Order into the divine Chaos? Repent lest you will be eaten by him who shall go unnamed.
Masterbation is wrong because it takes a thing that is meant for the marriage bed, and turns it into a selfish, self-gratifying act. Not to mention that masterbation is usually accompanied with pornography which is also evil, and another can of worms all together.
Can you cite a reference from the US law or constitution that says masturbation is illegal and sex is reserved for marriage?
Pornography is not evil or selfish as it keeps a lot of people in employment and as such offers another way of making a living to the people. How can that be evil?
Becuase corrupted teenie magazines do it then it makes it ok for other things to do it?
That's not my rationale, that was an addendum to 31Flavas's post. My rationale is that you're arbitrarily declaring something evil without any reason to do so. I apologize for involving Godwin's law but Hitler arbitrarily decided that being jewish was evil and as a result millions of people died. Arbitrary restrictions are tyranny.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 25, 2005, 08:13:13 PM
Fap, fap, fap for freedom!!!
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 26, 2005, 03:28:03 AM
The U.S. was FOUNDED on Biblical principles. Even the three men I mentioned who did not profess Jesus Christ as their savior believed in God and expressed their belief that the Bible's influence on a society is beneficial and necessary. (They were deists)
These Biblical principles and the FREEDOM (not Hitleresque tyranny) they brought were what made the U.S. the greatest country on the face of the earth....
The point is, the constitution doesn't say anything about masterbation or pornography because these are things that were just ASSUMED to be understood. Im sure if our founding fathers had the fore-knowledge of just what this nation would degarade into they would have included articles concerning these things, abortion, pornography homos getting 'married', etc.
These principles were just understood like it's understood you just don't walk up to somebody and poke them in eye. Common sense.
Standards and distinguishing right from wrong DO NOT = Hitler. This is such a downright silly argument, I do not even feel compelled to answer.
You said something to the effect of "Porn or sex is just another way of people making a living, how could that be wrong?"
Your premise here seems to be that if a thing makes someone money it's a good thing? Paying someone to murder will make someone money. Paying someone to lie would make someone money. Paying a hooker makes someone money. Paying the drug dealer makes someone money. I don't understand your point.
Not to mention that many of the girls in pornograpy are exploited and ill-treated.
Back to the issue.... WAIT, WAIT, it just occured to me the COMPLETE AND UTTER ABSURDITY of having to explain why pornography is wrong... I have to retire... this is just too much.
I've made my points....the game ought to be banned from store shelves. If I had my way the company responsible would be shut down. Chew on that for awhile.
Post by: mantidor on December 26, 2005, 03:46:11 AM
And as far as I know your country has this church-state separation since its foundation, here the catholic rule is huge and gets into politics as much as they want, yet things like pornography and masturbation arent illegal, seriously, thats just ridiculous.
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 26, 2005, 04:09:15 AM
Concerning seperation of church and state, this is a phrase you will not find in the U.S. constitution. It is a phrase clung onto by the corrupt liberal movement in an attempt to remove God out of our government in every way.
Freedom of religion in the U.S constitution was installed to ensure that there would not be a Church-Run church, because they had excaped just such a tyrannical system in Europe via the Catholic church.
It DID NOT mean that God be divorced from government altogether. Our founding fathers understood this, that is why all sessions of congress were opened with prayer, practically all documents signed and dated with ' In the year of our Lord, ####' ... these are just a few examples of the many, many references to Jesus Christ and The Lord (one and the same) in official government dealings.
Anyways my points still stand, a game simulation of masterbation should be banned for reasons previously stated.
Post by: mantidor on December 26, 2005, 06:08:36 AM
edit: oh I should clarify, it shouldnt be banned in the supposedly land of the free, fighter of democracy etc, etc, etc, that USA claims to be. If its one of the islamic countries then I suposse banning of this kind is expected.
Post by: odifiend on December 26, 2005, 06:20:19 AM
Actually Thomas Jefferson stressed the separation of church and state... He instituted it in Virgina as the governor so I'd say he believed in it
. Church having a say in government greatly often led to corruption and an undermining of civil government in the past. Also there were disputes over which denominations were right, etc... so the founders had this in mind when drawing up the constitution. As for the year of our lord and opening with a prayer, this was common place (I don't even think the idea of Common era had been invented). Did you know Christmas wasn't made a federal holiday until 1870? Oh nos! Founding fathers!What made the US the greatest country (debatable) on Earth today is that WW2 weakened all the other world powers except for Russia and then the Cold War got Russia.
ShawnSt3r, it stopped being a game about masterbation. There are no sexual references anymore. So far, you are the owner of Lapis, the bunny, and giving it affection (petting it DON'T PET your PETS and other actions) will make Lapis happy. To get Lapis happy, you need to try doing different things - again it is more a puzzle game inspired by the intrincasies of the female.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 26, 2005, 06:20:22 AM
Priest are having sex with little boys, Isn't that homo? and illegal according to to your bible?
Besides everybody masturbates, can you say that you never shook for a little longer than normal after taking a piss?
A woman never focuses that one harding hitting stream of water to the one place that it really stimulates?
All male monkey's are ungodly for playing with themselves(they need Jesus and the Bible)?
anyway I'm just babbling nonsense sense I don't believe the bible is nothing more than a bunch of made up stories that are meant to give people morals/standards and guide to live by.
Post by: TMW on December 26, 2005, 08:26:18 AM
As for the game...I think its pretty cool. It teaches kids that doing things the same way everytime doesn't work.
Its about ADAPTABILITY, people.
Post by: 31 Flavas on December 26, 2005, 09:35:49 AM
QuoteWhile I won't deny that religion gives people that want it a sense of community or together-ness or good feeling-ness... or a set of nice rules to live by i.e. Be nice to others, do not steal/kill/etc... I'll take it one step further. The bible/christianity/even religion in general is nothing more then general business. You have money and religion has something to sell to you. A bunch of made up stories to get you to fork over cash. The idea that any one religon is better or the "true one", or for that matter, infallible is just rediculus.
Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
sense I don't believe the bible is nothing more than a bunch of made up stories that are meant to give people morals/standards and guide to live by.
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 26, 2005, 10:52:53 AM
Do yourself a favor and re-read my post about the original intentions of seperation of church and state.
"As for the year of our lord and opening with a prayer, this was common place (I don't even think the idea of Common era had been invented)."
Clearly you know very little about our founding father, their faith, and its involvement in government. I will not be your teacher on this topic, do the research yourself... try a google search, its NOT hard to find.
"Did you know Christmas wasn't made a federal holiday until 1870? Oh nos! Founding fathers!"
I fail to see your point and how it effects my argument that our founding father had deeply rooted spirituality and carried that spirituality into our government proceedings.
"Priest are having sex with little boys, Isn't that homo? and illegal according to to your bible?"
Yes, it is. Whats your point. Do some research and discover the difference between Christianity and the Catholic church before you dribble out non-sense.
"All male monkey's are ungodly for playing with themselves(they need Jesus and the Bible)?"
FYI!! Animals are not humans! Animals die and are nothing, they do not have a spirit. So no, to answer your assinine question... animals do not need Jesus Christ and The Bible.
"teach your children that sex is evil and women are subservient",
I didn't say sex is evil you complete and utter empty-head, I said that it belongs in a marriage relationship.
"The bible/christianity/even religion in general is nothing more then general business. You have money and religion has something to sell to you. A bunch of made up stories to get you to fork over cash."
A good church will not pass and offering basket and beg for money. My church does not stick a basket under people noses and we get mroe than adequate money from people donating of their own free-will. You are also completely misinformed if you think the Bible is a business about making money. Some churchs are about making money, but they are wrong in doing so and do not follow the teachings of the Bible.
"The idea that any one religon is better or the "true one", or for that matter, infallible is just rediculus. "
Your wrong, and if you had intellectual honesty and looked into the various religions you would clearly find all of them false.... except for Christianity, and the Bible. I came to the Lord at 18 with eyes wide open, the facts are behind the Bible. The Bible is perfect and without fault and always further proven by history and archaelogy. There is only ONE God, and there is only ONE truth. Christ died for your sins, acknoledge that and call on him as your savior and your sins (transgressions) will be forgiven, and eternity in heaven will await.
Romans 10:13 'Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.'
To counter the flames ahead of time. If you don't like hearing about God and the Bible....deal with it, theres not much you can do besides engage in discussion, listen quietly, or whine. Free speech does indeed go both ways, and theres plenty of BS that goes on I do not wish to hear about.
Back to the point, a game promoting masterbation should be banned for reasons previously stated.
DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND READ MY POST BEFORE RESPONDING TO IT.
Post by: odifiend on December 26, 2005, 11:02:05 AM
I love how every Christian claims that all other religions are false - it is like their thing to do. Maybe the 11th commandment or something... Personally I find that all religions have aspects of social control.
Studying a couple of religions myself, I challenge you to analyze Islam as it is a lot more founded in sources than Christianity and I bet if you stop and think you really don't know anything about it...
Ah religion. The cause of so much drama
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 26, 2005, 11:08:33 AM
By the way, since you are obviously so knowledgeable of Islam please provide me with these reliable 'sources' you speak of. I can't afford to base my faith on just your word.
Post by: odifiend on December 26, 2005, 11:11:20 AM
As for sources, I might the Qur'an has an author and Muslims are very concious of the passing of the text whereas who wrote the Bible? For somebody criticizing me getting 'my dribble' from some fool, I don't think you realize your hypocrisy.
EDIT: And just because people are disagree with you, doesn't mean they haven't read your post.
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 26, 2005, 11:21:12 AM
The Koran was written by various Arabs, edited multiple times to remove errors... all 400 years after the death of Jesus Christ for our sins.
The devoloper of Lapis stated that its a game about simulating female masterbation. It should be banned... please refer to my previous arguments.
Post by: mantidor on December 26, 2005, 11:24:00 AM
I personally think this is a neat game, its innovative, its content is interesting and explores something no game has ever explored, guys can learn from this, girls can learn too, and its no offensive or demeaning of the female gender, something very few games do. And of course, ShawnSt3r and everyone else who dislikes the game with their guts are completly able to not let their kids/family/themselves to play it or see it!! unbelievable!.
Not to mention, is great for all ages, for kids it would be just a puzzle game with a cute character, for grownups it would teach them something else, and something thats very important for all of us. Theres the "eeww" factor of playing it as a kid and later finding out its an orgasm simulator, but its similar to the "eew" factor of all of us when we actualy realize that our parents must had sex in oder to create us. In other words, no kid will be traumatized by this, thats impossible, its a game about rubing a damn fictional animal, just that.
EDIT: ok now that I reread my post I see tht maybe my example is weird, but I still dont see the big deal here, sex is an integral part of our lives, we shouldnt have so much issues with the topic.
Post by: odifiend on December 26, 2005, 11:33:35 AM
All religion is a leap of faith. Your ignorance on Islam is evident just from the way you spell. The Qur'an was actually not ever edited once it was collected and even its translation was resisted to maintain that things weren't lost in translation unlike say the Testaments. Again, the Bible has no known author and I guarantee it was edited many more times then the Qur'an.The game has no connection to masturbation unless you know its backstory. As TMV and I said, it is more like a puzzle game about adaptibility involving a rabbit. Why ban it? Especially in light of much more seriously deprave video game themes?
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 26, 2005, 11:51:58 AM
Odifiend, if you like, give me your e-mail addresses and I will provide you with the various historical sources proving how the Qur'an/Koran was edited multiple times.
"I guarantee it was edited many more times then the Qur'an."
You guarantee that huh. Let me eplain something to you. There are over 15,000 Biblical manuscripts and fragments of manuscripts that have been found. (These manuscripts are the scriptures just not in the complete and collected form in the Bible). The Dead Sea Scrolls are an example (the book of Isaiah).
Many of these manuscripts date back to the second century! That is as close to the time of writing as you can get. When the latin and western families of manuscripts are combined that are 99.9% in agreement. This means that all we have to do to check the authenticity of our current Bibles is to check them with these manuscripts. This shows they have not been changed, or 'edited'.
Our current Bibles are NOT a translation of a translation of a translation. Every time I new version is written its source is these manuscripts. So no, atleast in the more credible translations.... NOTHING is "lost in translation". That is a myth...
The Bible is the most provable text that exists on the face of the earth thanks to these manuscripts.
Here is proof of these manusripts compared to other historical texts.
http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/bib-qur/bibmanu.htm
Post by: mantidor on December 26, 2005, 11:54:47 AM
ok, this is just absurd, theres no such thing as the "perfect" translation from any language to any other. Specially from dead languages to current ones. Now you are just sounding nuts, really.
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 26, 2005, 12:01:43 PM
OBVIOUSLY there are differences in languages, so it cannot be word for word.
Some words exist in the Greek and Hebrew that simply have no English equivelant. However the English is used the best it can be to give us an accurate represntation. No fundamental doctorines or teachings are changed in the translation from Greek to English. or the Hebrew to English.
You miss the point though, which was..we have the original texts to compare our translations with! If I ever think some verse might be more accurate in the Greek all I have to do is open my concordance and compare the Greek and English.
Post by: TMW on December 26, 2005, 12:03:05 PM
I ask you again Shawn. Why should non christians be forced to follow christian law? I happen to think masturbation is healthy and required for any kind of normal sexual development during adolescence. I also think my children (should I have any) would benefit from playing a puzzle game that teaches them about adaptability, multitasking, and the fact that there is often more than one solution to a problem.
As for the Bibles "truth", any book thats been in the hands of power hungry men who preach ignorance and violence against others is circumspect, no matter how much "truth" is involved.
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 26, 2005, 12:38:28 PM
The Bible clearly states that:
"But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ," (1 Cor. 11:3).
Men and women are equals, but are fundamentally different. They were made with different rolls. Men are naturally better leaders, and provider... women are nurturers and supporters. It is just the way things are.
I have to go.
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 26, 2005, 02:05:28 PM
As it is, parents really underestimate their kids. I knew about sex at least four or five years before my parents gave me "the talk." Welcome to the corrupt and immoral wasteland known as America Shawn.
EDIT: Woah guys. I'm not Muslim or Christian (Hindu pride, representin' yo), but yeah, it does seem like you can't be a hardcore Christian without downplaying other religions. This thread was a mistake. If a moderater could please lock this up and just report it as a news story and create a talkback thread, it would be appreciated.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 26, 2005, 02:48:43 PM
Post by: Rellik on December 26, 2005, 03:17:53 PM
I haven't really been following this, but I just wanted to assert to everyone to remain calm. Don't start generalizing about Christianity just from this ShawnSt3r quack - I'm not a Christian, but no Christian I know acts like this guy.
It's not really worth trying to dialog with this guy - if you want serious religious discussion, turn elsewhere. And please, keep the psuedo-religious discussion off the boards - at least keep it in General Chat or something.
Any person who tells you that anything is perfect and true and unquestionable is, to put it mildy, not on the level.
Post by: Rellik on December 26, 2005, 03:20:25 PM
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Originally posted by: ShawnSt3r
Men and women are equals
Take a closer look at your infallible Bible.
And I guess slavery is ok too?
Post by: mantidor on December 26, 2005, 03:42:28 PM
Majora's Mask is perfect
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 27, 2005, 01:37:34 AM
"Don't start generalizing about Christianity just from this ShawnSt3r quack"
I quote scripture for every Biblical principle I touch on,, if you have a problem with me concerning these principles you have a problem with God and The Bible because that is where I am drawing them.
Also, I provide support for the things I say... I don't just make broad swooping statements and expect them to stand based only on the merit that I decided to say them... you ought to practice this as well. Instead, you seem to me a great fool. Please tell me what I said that is in disagreement with any single verse in the Bible.
This is the last post I will make defending my posts.
If anyone would like to continue these matters that do not re-late to this disgraceful game you are welcome to e-mail me.
sarthurk@hotmail.com
Back to the issue at hand.... such a game should not even be allowed to be produced.... if t is, it should be only sold at Adult novelty shops.
Some who are now trying to make the point that its just a puzzle game were the ones swooning over how it simulates female masterbation in the beginning of this thread - did I miss something?
If it goes on the market, kids will be allowed to buy it, parents not knowing.... and the kids WILL find out eventually what the game is about. Infact I endeavor to say that most kids that want it will do so based on the sexual connotations involved. Its a disgrace.
Romans 1:24 "Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves."
Post by: wandering on December 27, 2005, 03:27:48 AM
First off, after looking at this game more closely, I see that KDR is right, the metaphor is pretty opaque, and my creeped-out-o-meter has gone down some. The question remains, though, WHY would we want to teach pre-pubescent kids about masturbation? Seriously, that seems like the kind of thing kids find out about on their own, and, if not, something they can find out about when they're old enough to learn about how it works in a literal sense.
Second off, Shawnstar. I had a big response written up about the various misconceptions you have about our founding fathers/church and state/the constitution written up, but, eh, you’re right, that’s probably a discussion best left private. In any case, for better or worse, this is not a country where morals are not handed down from on high, it’s a country where individual liberty is valued, and dictating what individuals (who aren’t harming anybody) can or can’t do is not. (which is leading us down a path towards ever-more-ridiculous self indulgence, but, in my mind, that’s an inevitable consequence of the kind of government we have.) Anyway, tying that back into the game - by suggesting that the game “should not even be allowed to be produced”, you are arguing against free speech, our most fundamental right.
Lastly Shawnstar, as I’m sure you know, the bible never specifically condemns masturbation, just lust (though it does mention that after spilling seed, you should bathe and that you’ll be unclean for the rest of the day.)
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 27, 2005, 03:47:37 AM
I know I said I wouldnt respond, but since your post isnt flame or semi-flame id like to explain myself a bit and respond to what you said.
At one point in our nations history (i'll endeavor up until the 60's, though the exact turning point of the U.S. away from God and into corruption is another thread all in and of itself.)) , local governments, state governments, local communities would have been in such an uproar about such a concept as this game that some sort of legislation surely would have been passed against it. Plenty of legislation has been passed restricting what some might call individual liberty.
It is illegal to go screw your goat. It illegal to have multiple wives. To murder. To rape... etc What you have to understand is that there is plenty of individual liberty, but it is all bound within a basic moral framework that is rooted inside of Biblical truths, instilled by our founding fathers. Could not someone argue (and infact have) that the previously things I mentioned being illegal, violate their 'individual liberty'? Too much individual freedom promotes lawlessness, sexual immorality, and all forms of evil. I believe this game is just that, an is an example individual freedoms run amuck.
Everything must be bound inside of a moral framework or a nation will eventually rot and collapse from the inside. I believe this is what you were referring to when you said:
"(which is leading us down a path towards ever-more-ridiculous self indulgence, but, in my mind, that’s an inevitable consequence of the kind of government we have.) "
Anyways, that framework I speak of is the Holy Scriptures. The further we pull away from that framework the closer to destruction we will come.
Post by: mantidor on December 27, 2005, 04:38:51 AM
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Originally posted by: wandering
Ah, I'm going to have to pop my head in here.
First off, after looking at this game more closely, I see that KDR is right, the metaphor is pretty opaque, and my creeped-out-o-meter has gone down some. The question remains, though, WHY would we want to teach pre-pubescent kids about masturbation? Seriously, that seems like the kind of thing kids find out about on their own, and, if not, something they can find out about when they're old enough to learn about how it works in a literal sense.
Kids who play it wont be learning about self pleasure methods, unless you explicitly say to them what the game is about (and even then they wouldnt understand at all anyway), the only thing I think could posibly happen related to sexuality is that they subconsciously learn how to give pleasure to their own wives when they get older in their adult life, which is not bad in my eyes. Besides, women arent as simple to satisfy sexually as men, the creator is a woman, she should know. And, of course, this is no pokemon, its a niche obscure title that will be played by very, very few pre-pubescent kids if any at all.
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 27, 2005, 04:46:40 AM
"its a niche obscure title that will be played by very, very few pre-pubescent kids if any at all. "
It features a cute little character that one uses the stylus to simulate (reminds me of Nintendogs in a very mild sense) .... what makes you think this wouldn't appeal to little girls. LITTLE GIRLS are part of the freaking aim of this game, the developer basically said so in the opening link of this thread.
Post by: mantidor on December 27, 2005, 04:51:08 AM
Post by: 31 Flavas on December 27, 2005, 05:06:45 AM
QuoteHonestly, its easy to blame all of the worlds problems on lack of faith in the Bible. But, what about all the other countries of the world who's governments are not based in Christianity. You'd blame any of their problems on lack of faith in scripture? What about the ones that, in fact, are doing fine on their own, Japan, China, India, etc.
Originally posted by: ShawnSt3r
Everything must be bound inside of a moral framework or a nation will eventually rot and collapse from the inside. That framework is the Holy Scriptures.
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 27, 2005, 05:24:27 AM
But seriously, that is too hugh of a topic to get into here. It could be catalogued how each one of my previously listed nations came severly at odds with the will of God and paid the price. Im speaking of wanton murder of Christians and Jews (Rome, Germany, Spain, France), Abortion, Sodomy (Greece).
Currently Christianity though surpressed and out-lawed (when I say supressed I mean churches are bull-dozed and believers are murders consistantly) in China, it is currently thriving there underground.
Like I said, I do not claim to know what God will do in a situation like this with 100% certainty. Though, I believe a nation like China is being spared because of the Christian movement that is thriving there under supression.
Indonesia, Muslim stronghold, men, women, and children who are believers are murdered there on a consistant basis if they do not convert to Islam (Estimated 180,000 Christians were murdered last year alone worldwide!). My point is, do you remember the Storm that killed tens of thousands Indonesians? I can say with 100% ceratainty that was God's justice upon those people.
Anyways, like I said...hugh topic... many, many intricasies to discuss them all in detail.
Post by: odifiend on December 27, 2005, 05:33:23 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
Still, is impossible that a little girl starts touching herself because she played the game, if she indeed touches herself it would be for another reason entirely, the game isnt going to pop up messages "touch yourself here!!!" or is it? you shouldnt worry though, this will be giving the AO rating without a doubt if it ever pass the preproduction stage.
Why would this get an AO rating? What IF Super Mario Bros. was inspired by 'shrooms (The links are there and everybody jokes about it
)? Drugs are the most kosher of things, but when playing the game you wouldn't even make that connection. It is the same with Lapis. Unless you are looking at the developer's initial inspirations for the game, you'd never make the connection. "Puff the magic dragon" is a kid's song - chew on that one. If it get released (there doesn't seem to be a lot of content), it will get an E rating. EDIT: Wow, wow... WOW
Post by: Rellik on December 27, 2005, 05:50:10 AM
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the constitution doesn't say anything about masterbation or pornography because these are things that were just ASSUMED to be understood
Nothing is assumed to be understood under the Constitution. That's why we have a Supreme Court of the Land - it's for them to decide what the constitution means and doesn't mean, not for some bible-thumper who thinks he knows these things. Go become a Supreme Court Justice, then when you try to make your case you'll be up against people who actually have the TIME to look things up and prove you wrong.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to comic book the Government for a redress of gr
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion - your case that God should not be completely divorced from government is absolutely false because of this. If Congress signs into law something that is religiously-motivated or religious-oriented, that is unconstitutional, and should be (and will be) struck down. This is what "separation of Church and State" means. This is one of the fundamental protections Americans have under our system, and it would sure as hell be a shame to throw it away because "The founding fathers ASSUMED the government would be Christianity-oriented".
Post by: mantidor on December 27, 2005, 05:59:50 AM
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Originally posted by: odifiend
Why would this get an AO rating?
If its being released in the country that almost had a heart attack because of Janet's breast on TV, it will indeed get an AO rating, thats kind of what I tried to say. I personally dont see why it would need an AO rating at all, but Im sure it will get an M or AO over there.
Post by: odifiend on December 27, 2005, 06:07:37 AM
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 27, 2005, 06:11:58 AM
READ IT!
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
READ IT, READ IT, READ IT, YOU BRAINWASHED KNOW NOTHING!
CONGRESS SHALL NOT MAKE A LAW FAVORING ANY ONE RELIGION OR RESTRICTING ANY ONE RELIGION! IT DOES NOT SAY THAT GOVERNMENT AND RELIGION NEED TO BE COMPLETELY SEPERATED. READ IT!!!!!!
How many more ways can I say this, do I need to draw it in crayon or make a pupper-show for you?
God (The Lord, Jesus Christ) and the Bible were taught in public schools up until Madalyn Murray O'Hair, an atheist appealed to the supreme court in 1962(which had been liberally stacked by lousy FDR ) to have it removed and they declared it unconstitutional.
CLEARLY, there was never an intention by our founding fathers for God, The Bible, or Christ to be seperated from government!
The Supreme Court was wrong in interpretting the constitution on this issue and many others. They had an agenda and they saw it through. That agenda was and is a hate of God and of promoting the liberal ideology. (athiesm.... also a belief system)
Yes, I am fired up, fools tend to get me that way.
Post by: mantidor on December 27, 2005, 06:16:50 AM
Its bad to make such generic statements like that, but the States are starting to really scare me, the Janet thing was just humourous and even if people overreacted a bit I can understand, but the debate about creationism vs evolution to be taught in schools was simply unbelievable. You are the worlds most powerful country, mainly because you have been the only country that have used atomic bombs on real cities, so when I mix that scenario with the growing fanatism of religion I cannot do anything but worry... and expect an M or AO rating for the lapis game, you were actually debating creationism tobe taught along with science, nothing can surprise me now..
EDIT: its evolution, not revolution! Nintendo has clouded my mind
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 27, 2005, 06:28:13 AM
In short..... Evolution has 0 facts (every missing link has been proven frauds, no intermediate forms...etc) and is only popular because it offers an alternative to creation in peoples minds.
Creation however, is supported by geology, the study of the universe, archaeology... and the Bible most importantly.
I would like to direct you here where I am currently in a discussion about this very thing, my username is 'IHaveFacts'
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6837&page=95&pp=20
Im not sure if posting a link to another forums is in violation of this forums rules, I apologize if so, but it is relevant to the discussion.
America is the greatest country because were were founded on Biblical Principles... which include freedom. This makes us now, and made us in our development, the most desireable place to live on the face of the earth. This freedom spawned a free-market economy.(capitalism) Which in-turn spawned US > You. Dropping nukes a Japan did not make us a world power, it only ended the war quicker than it would have otherwise been.
Please stop with the new non-sense posts. Please stick to the old non-sense. Im making like 6 posts and hour here because of this.
Post by: odifiend on December 27, 2005, 06:36:22 AM
Shawnst3r, FDR was lousy? Are you insane? He was one of the greatest presidents in US History and his terms in office largely made the US into the prospering country it is today. The Supreme Courts ideology especially in that time of racial tension was equality. Not a bad ideology if you ask me... So to teach Christianity in public school would be unfair to those of other religions. But I suppose any decision that doesn't interest you and your beliefs are at fault and should be flamed. I guess you missed the point of the Constitution and the ideals of the founding fathers after all...
Post by: mantidor on December 27, 2005, 06:44:15 AM
what on earth!?!?...
There should be an ignore button, because you are creepy as hell, I wish I didnt have to even glimpse your posts from now on...
Anyway, odifiend, after our friend's post, I think you can understand why I see this game not getting an E rating, this is the image I get from your country. Ive only met nice, centered and open minded persons in forums, which I know that are the minority, and Bush is still in charge, so... yup, its ilogical for me to see this game with an E rating in your country, sorry.
Post by: 31 Flavas on December 27, 2005, 06:53:56 AM
QuoteNo christian believers were killed in this storm, right? For that matter, what about Katrina, that was his wrath for Mardi Gras, eh? And in California earthquakes are gods manner of eliminating corrupted churches and non-belivers, right? And schizophrenia was the punishment delt to my brother for picking on me when I was younger?
Originally posted by: ShawnSt3r
I can say with 100% ceratainty that was God's justice upon those people.
Post by: odifiend on December 27, 2005, 06:56:20 AM
. But the minority yells the loudest, there is no reason to become jaded because radicals stand out most in your mind. And religion and politics fire people up, that's why people generally agree not to talk about it.Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 27, 2005, 07:08:06 AM
"Well, mantidor, you have the pleasure of witnessing the kind of person that freaked out due to Janet's 'wardrobe malfunction' in this very thread." You must be the kind of weirdo that freaks out when someone stands up for morality.
"what on earth!?!?..." Yeah check the thread I posted. You have no facts for evolution.
"No christian believers were killed in this storm, right? For that matter, what about Katrina, that was his wrath for Mardi Gras, eh? And in California earthquakes are gods manner of eliminating corrupted churches and non-belivers, right?"
Obviously some Christians were killed in those events combined. They are in heaven. Whats your point?
"and Bush is still in charge"
Thats right, and almost three more years more! WOOT. Thats just not enough time to take over Iran, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Packistan and take their oil for ourselves. Then Canada! lol
Someone once said, "Canada is like the roof over a great party!"
Post by: 31 Flavas on December 27, 2005, 07:15:00 AM
QuoteSo he is going to wipeout perfectly innocent chrisitans to bring justice to the sinners? Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water.... What a nice, kind, caring god....
Originally posted by: ShawnSt3r
Obviously some Christians were killed in those events combined. They are in heaven. Whats your point?
Post by: odifiend on December 27, 2005, 07:22:50 AM
I checked out that religious link and it looks to me like you got schooled. That doesn't necessarily disprove anything's existence but it does prove that you don't completely grasp what you are talking about. Investigate microevolution and then macroevolution. Again like before, the words you use proves your ignorance on the subjects.
For an omnipotent being that is so fair and so loving, (s)he could really stop most of this stife, killing and injustice, by just undeniably manifesting him/herself... but who is man to try and comprehend god?
Re: Canada - ...ok. I fail to see what you are trying to prove (or what you are compensating for).
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 27, 2005, 07:29:55 AM
Heaven = good thing. Im positive that those very few Christians (if any) who were killed in these incidents are not complaining about it right now. I would not be.
On a side note - Most of the deaths in Louisiana were a bunch of welfare recipients who were too lazy to move and just sat and waited for the government to come save them. I'll give you a hint im not a fan of socialism. (aka welfare) It is a blight on any country that it rears its ugly head.
'odifiend' I expect a full and complete essay on what you read in my topic. My guess is, you did not read it at all and just browsed the 500 people that responded to me. Is that what you mean when you said "I got schooled."?
Oh, and by my suggesting the US should just take over Canada and get it over with I was really suggesting I have a small penis. You caught me! No, but seriously... what is Canada good for? Certainly not producing intellectual thinkers.
Ahem, the game should be banned from store shelves... please see my previous remarks concerning this.
Post by: wandering on December 27, 2005, 07:35:36 AM
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Everything must be bound inside of a moral framework or a nation will eventually rot and collapse from the inside. I believe this is what you were referring to when you said:
"(which is leading us down a path towards ever-more-ridiculous self indulgence, but, in my mind, that’s an inevitable consequence of the kind of government we have.) "
Anyways, that framework I speak of is the Holy Scriptures. The further we pull away from that framework the closer to destruction we will come.
...except that this is a secular country, made up with people of various faiths/religions. You seem to want Christian-scripture-based morals to be legislated, and I'm not sure that that can happen with eroding the wall between church and state....and that wall is necessary to make sure that we don't become Taliban-controlled Afghanastan.
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My point is, do you remember the Storm that killed tens of thousands Indonesians? I can say with 100% ceratainty that was God's justice upon those people.
100% certainy scares me.
So, if the storm was divine retrubution, than can the same be said of the 9/11 terror attacks? And if so, is Osama bin Laden an agent of God? Chew on THAT for awhile.
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CONGRESS SHALL NOT MAKE A LAW FAVORING ANY ONE RELIGION OR RESTRICTING ANY ONE RELIGION! IT DOES NOT SAY THAT GOVERNMENT AND RELIGION NEED TO BE COMPLETELY SEPERATED. READ IT!!!!!!
From wikipedia:
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The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear in the Constitution, but rather derives from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to a group identifying themselves as the Danbury Baptists. In that letter, Jefferson referred to a “wall of separation between church and state.” James Madison, the father of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights, wrote in the early 1800s, “Strongly guarded . . . is the separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States.” Ulysses S. Grant also called for Americans to "Keep the church and state forever separate."
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In short..... Evolution has 0 facts (every missing link has been proven frauds, no intermediate forms...etc) and is only popular because it offers an alternative to creation in peoples minds.
0 facts? There are a ridiculous amount of facts that support the theory of evolution. What you mean to say, I think, is that there are very serious gaps in the evidence. Which is a fair point, but these gaps don't actually disprove evolution.
As for evolution only being popular because it offers an alternative to creationism, I doubt this highly. For one thing, Darwin believed in God. For another, while there are gaps in our knowledge regarding evolution, it's a theory (yes, "just" a theory, like the theory of gravity is "just" a theory) has stood up to rigerous scientific review. The same can not be said for creationism/ID. There is no debate in the scientific community regarding evolution vs. creationism because there's nothing to debate. The theory of evolution is based on facts and was derived with the scientific method of coming up with a hypothesis based on observable phenomena and then conducting experiments to check that hypothesis over and over again. While the theory of creationism is based on faith, is not scientific, and has no place in a science classroom.
....phew. Sorry, I know I should try and stay on topic, but I couldn't not respond to all of that.
Post by: OptimusPrime on December 27, 2005, 07:43:45 AM
Rome started to crumble when it became christian... it's succesor, the east-roman empire was christian all the way and was run asunder by muslims and genocidal crusaders.
Market-capitalism was formed in the 16th century (not by the US brand freedom) in liberal cities who bumped out the clergy out of power because they stood in the way of progress. But they were a save haven for people off all religions and opinions when christian kings were hunting them down. History is full of nuances... acknowledge that first before you go rambling "God punishes every kingdom that does boo-boo's to the christians".
Evolution is full of holes because they don't have full DNA records and analyses to fill the holes, besides it's still in the phase of being a theory, not a definition. Heck, astrology gives a greater scientific value to the teachings of bhoedisme then the Bible (multi-dimensional theories that are popping up everywhere)...archealogy proves Bible creation more wrong then right because of datingtechniques and creationist stupid counter-argument of "well God clearly made several attempts before he created this world" He's Almighty... how can he get it wrong the first time?
The story of Creation is a clear metaphor of the awakening of the human soul, man becoming conscience of itself and its surroundings. Genesis 1 is full of it, best part is, genesis 2 contradicts Genesis 1 as THE story of Creation because God creates the first man in a complete different way then in Genesis 1.
It's the good part about being European, you get teached in the ways of the Enlightement (you, that stuff the US constitution is ACTUALLY based on) and then make well judged choises afterwards not based on Dogma's some power-hungry idiot wrote in a book and then called it holy law (Old Testament and Koran are clear exameples of that)
Post by: odifiend on December 27, 2005, 07:43:52 AM
"On a side note - Most of the deaths in Louisiana were a bunch of worthless welfare recipients who were too lazy to move and just sat and waited for the government to come save them. I'll give you a hint im not a fan of socialism. (aka welfare) It is a blight on any country that it rears its ugly head."
Glad to see that feeling of brotherly love is alive and well...
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 27, 2005, 07:47:35 AM
Rellik, you're just trying to get your head blown up, shut up!
Thanks to you two the past 60 posts are a bunch of nonsense.
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 27, 2005, 07:47:46 AM
Your point about seperation of church and state and its meaning only quotes Thomas Jefferson (deist) and Ulysses S. Grant (not sure). Please respond to the fact that God was indeed very integrated into our government up until the 1960's.
Im going ot make a repost:
"God (The Lord, Jesus Christ) and the Bible were taught in public schools up until Madalyn Murray O'Hair, an atheist appealed to the supreme court in 1962(which had been liberally stacked by lousy FDR) to have it removed and they declared it unconstitutional.
CLEARLY, there was never an intention by our founding fathers for God, The Bible, or Christ to be seperated from government!"
This is not my only point, but it is a good point, and it proves how the statement
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
Was actually interpreted by our founding fathers and members of governments, and the people, up until the 1960's. And surprise, it means exactly what is says. No LAW was made establishing a State-religion. Mind you this article of the constitution was added because of religious persecution at the hands of the Catholic church was still fresh in the minds of our founding fathers. Look to that to interpret the meaning as well.
Your other points i'll have to respond to later, im kind of mentally worn out right now. Once again though I thank you for your lack of flame.
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 27, 2005, 08:31:33 AM
OptimusPrime please, I nearly wet myself from laughter after reading that. You did not site a source any of those statements. Please provide one.
Because, according to the anonymous information im about to site.... Most gamers have never heard of Sony, Sega is leading the console race... and Nintendo is a world-renowned developer of waffle irons!
Aren't citing sourceless facts wonderful?!
I agree we need a sarcasm tag. heh
Post by: vudu on December 27, 2005, 10:12:01 AM
QuoteThis is probably pushing it, but in an effort to get everyone to shut up I'm going to have to invoke Godwin's Law. ShawnSt3r loses. Everyone moves on.
Originally posted by: ShawnSt3r
I do not claim to know the mind of God in the sense that I know exactly how he will punish a nation that is openly persecuting Him and His people. Here is what I know about God and his dealings with un-just nations throughout history. They all fall eventually... when God decided their times comes, they fall. Rome, Greece, Germany, France, Spain.
Post by: 31 Flavas on December 27, 2005, 10:25:04 AM
QuoteOh its been over, I think the consensus now though is we want to see how much shawn is willing to hang himself. Although he is wisely chosing to cop out now, so the end is nigh.
Originally posted by: vudu
ShawnSt3r loses. Everyone moves on.
Post by: Rellik on December 27, 2005, 10:53:26 AM
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Originally posted by: kirby_killer_dedede
Rellik, you're just trying to get your head blown up, shut up!
I'm not trying to get my head blown up, but I can't help it - I hate to see this kind of stuff get distorted, because it's dangerous. Obviously it doesn't help anything to actually REPLY, but I'm weak in that respect, in this case
Post by: Rellik on December 27, 2005, 10:59:24 AM
(1) Masturbation is bad because the Bible says so -> (2) The US government should ban it from shelves
Whether or not religion and the government are required to stay 100% separate, this IS a first pillar 1st amendment violation, and the Bible is no legal justification for the government to take such an action. I don't know how much more clear this could be.
(1) might be true, and (2) might be true, too, but (1) -> (2) is impossible under our system, and is a blow to the rights of all Americans.
I can anticipate that some parties might disagree with me, and this probably is going to fan the flames, and I'm not one to engender hate or distaste among people, but I just needed to say this...
Post by: 31 Flavas on December 27, 2005, 11:17:40 AM
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 27, 2005, 11:46:05 AM
Now that is out of the way, try making some sort of point...
There is no more credible source to site than the perfect infallable word of God, the Bible. I would say that the weight of historical resources is on my side.... vs. say... your menial opinion.
A game promoting female masterbation is wrong. End of story. Refer to my previous points regarding this topic.
Romans 1:22 "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools."
Post by: KnowsNothing on December 27, 2005, 12:09:59 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on December 27, 2005, 12:11:46 PM
Post by: 31 Flavas on December 27, 2005, 12:17:54 PM
QuoteAnd this is where you are going to lose anyone. It's a monumental claim, where is your extroidnary proof? If there was anything more then circumstantial evidence to prove the existance of god, or certain things like the Flood and Noah's Ark, I think you'd have more believers and less debate worldwide. Sorry, pointing to the bible and saying that's the proof, isn't going to convince many people that it truely is perfect and infallable.
Originally posted by: ShawnSt3r
There is no more credible source to site than the perfect infallable word of God, the Bible.
Post by: TMW on December 27, 2005, 01:28:24 PM
When does it cease to be a historical record and begin to be a Religious Text? There are scientific theories that support that there was a gigantic flood....but the flood did not change the properties of light afterwards so enabling rainbows to appear. There are *some* people who claim that the bible actually mentions dinosaurs (not directly), but sadly neglected to mention them in the creation story. There are schools of thought that claim the Egyptian Pharoahs never enslaved the Hebrews, that instead, the Pyramids were built by willing conscripts in the service of their gods.
Once you stop assuming that the Bible is, excuse the pun, The Gospel Truth, its allows one to consider a multitude of possibilities.
And as for this game...most of you keep forgetting this is only indirectly related to female masturbation. As someone noted before, its like when Miyamoto was in his shower and came up with FLUDD, or looked at his garden and thought of Pikmin.
The game is not about female masturbation!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 27, 2005, 01:38:27 PM
Post by: PIAC on December 27, 2005, 01:45:11 PM
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Originally posted by: ShawnSt3r
There is no more credible source to site than the perfect infallable word of God, the Bible. I would say that the weight of historical resources is on my side.... vs. say... your menial opinion.
A game promoting female masterbation is wrong. End of story. Refer to my previous points regarding this topic.
Romans 1:22 "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools."
Hey my religion promotes masturbation. It's basically the only correct religion out there, get out of here with your blatant lies about god and jesus. They don't even exist wake up sunshine.
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Romans 1:22 "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools."
Quoted for extra irony.
Post by: Mario on December 27, 2005, 01:57:21 PM
THIS IS THE REAL GOD! ALL OTHERS ARE FALSE. TINGLE REPRESENTS EVERYTHING RIGHT AND ALL THE VALUES OF THE POKE AND THE MAWN AND THE BALNFSDSHBGSJHGJFSGSFUHGIS
WHEN TINGLE IS TAKING A NAP, THIS IS THY GOD!
HOWEVER THOSE AMAZING SPIRITS TREMBLE BEFORE THE HIGHER BEING THAT IS REGGIE FILS-AIME
DON'T AGREE?
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 27, 2005, 03:35:12 PM
EDIT: haha, i get it, it's just a sign that the moderators are in fact alive.
Post by: ShawnSt3r on December 27, 2005, 03:37:48 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on December 27, 2005, 03:39:47 PM
Post by: animecyberrat on December 27, 2005, 04:30:31 PM
My invitation to discuss peacefully in email still stands and please cut Sawn some slack I think he means well and has some good points.
Post by: odifiend on December 27, 2005, 04:54:03 PM
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Originally posted by: animecyberrat
But Childrens programing and video games targeting kids, are not allowed to teach kids anything about sex, that has been decided by our courts and is up to the parents. On that merrit alone do I believe that the ESRB should rate the game AO or have it banned. because the developers have publicly admited the games relates to masturbation.
Opponents of the game seem to be of the mind that a child's game should not teach about sex for moral, ethical, and now legal(? Which court cases? Just curious) reasons. You must realize that there is a disconnect in the origin of the idea and the actual game's content however. If I told you to get Lapis the Pet Simulator and you played it, it sounds as if all that you'd find is a high maintenance rabbit. The rabbit is your pet (this is not a radical concept) and the aim would be to keep him happy.
Post by: PIAC on December 27, 2005, 04:57:53 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 27, 2005, 05:05:44 PM
Post by: Mario on December 27, 2005, 05:07:43 PM
Post by: animecyberrat on December 27, 2005, 05:25:46 PM
EDIT: I made my points and thats why I disgree with the game of coruse inour twisted society where GTA is so popular its expected something liek thsi would be atrractive to peolples also. AS for teh court cases I dont think its worth arguing over so i will not get into that anymore, nor will I reply to thsi thread unless theressomething that needs saying.
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 27, 2005, 05:29:44 PM
Post by: OptimusPrime on December 27, 2005, 11:24:16 PM
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Originally posted by: ShawnSt3r
"The top 5 countries to live in are Sweden, Canada, Norway , Finland and Belgium who all have very liberal constitutions (euthanasie, gay-marriages, abortion) but have huge social systems (complete in the line with Jesus his message) US barely."
OptimusPrime please, I nearly wet myself from laughter after reading that. You did not site a source any of those statements. Please provide one.
Because, according to the anonymous information im about to site.... Most gamers have never heard of Sony, Sega is leading the console race... and Nintendo is a world-renowned developer of waffle irons!
Aren't citing sourceless facts wonderful?!
Right, never heard about the UN list of best countries to live in... (it's not really called that but that's what it really is). It's right there... US never made it in the top-10 for the last... decade! UN factors in: level of public education (for the US, that's a ticking social timebomb), social security networks (US...eeuh none), healthcare, economic growth, poverty levels (US poverty level by UN standards: 30%, same as developing countries), edelery care, buying power, wealthsharing and so on.
Just keep your low-life self-indulgenced behaviour to yourself. Average Europeans have a nack of actually knowing what's going on in the world.
Post by: wandering on December 28, 2005, 03:39:36 AM
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Originaly posted by: Odifiend
And religion and politics fire people up, that's why people generally agree not to talk about it.
Which is why people continue to live in their own little worlds and nothing changes.
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Originally posted by: Shawnst3r
Once again though I thank you for your lack of flame.
Welcome.
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On a side note - Most of the deaths in Louisiana were a bunch of welfare recipients who were too lazy to move and just sat and waited for the government to come save them. I'll give you a hint im not a fan of socialism. (aka welfare) It is a blight on any country that it rears its ugly head.
Or maybe they didn't move because they couldn't afford cars? And the government didn't provide adequate means for them to escape? The whole 'the victims are REALLY to blame' is all conservative-talk-show spin designed to cloud the fact that the government's response to the Katrina disaster was disgustingly lousy, IMHO.
As for welfare: Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me." Matthew 19:21
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Please respond to the fact that God was indeed very integrated into our government up until the 1960's.
You are probably correct. But again, this is a country that was intentionally, by the founding fathers, tied to the authority of the men of this country and not to the authority of a church. And this is also a country that is growing both increasingly diverse and increasingly aware of diversity. And I don't think that's such a bad thing.
On a related note, white, conservative, christian, american men seem to love to point to the 'good ol days' before the start of the 60's...and I just like to point out to them that those 'good ol days' were also the days where black people had to sit at the back of the bus. The 60's brought us a lot of good. They also brought us lots of sex and drugs, but, eh, the yin comes with the yang.
NOW BACK TO THE GAME.
Shawn, while I agree with you that the game is somewhat questionable morally (though for different reasons), I don't agree that it should be banned. Why? Because you can't legislate morality. You can, perhaps, protect children....if the game receives an E rating, the government could, at least, do something to warn of the sexual nature of the game - but they shouldn't be allowed to outright ban free expression, especially just because something presents ideas that people from a certain religion find morally objectionable.
Everyone else, for whoever said the thing is only loosely connected to sex....you do realize that, before this game, the developer went through other ideas that were all sexually-based, right? One of them was an orgy simulator. (no idea if they intended that one for children, too).
Okay then. Peace out, y'all.
Post by: UncleBob on December 28, 2005, 03:49:58 AM
"Or maybe they didn't move because they couldn't afford cars?"
My reply is "And those two things sticking out of the bottom of your ass are for what?"
Seriously. The government (at all levels) did a horrible job in NO. But anyone who sits around and expects the government to take care of them are just asking for trouble.
Post by: odifiend on December 28, 2005, 04:39:04 AM
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Originally posted by: wandering
NOW BACK TO THE GAME.
Everyone else, for whoever said the thing is only loosely connected to sex....you do realize that, before this game, the developer went through other ideas that were all sexually-based, right? One of them was an orgy simulator. (no idea if they intended that one for children, too).
You'd have to have sexually based ideas to win that sexually themed development contest...
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And religion and politics fire people up, that's why people generally agree not to talk about it.
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Which is why people continue to live in their own little worlds and nothing changes.
I agree but fired up to the point where people stop even listening to the other side. For example, in any argument, when one side starts quoting scripture, often times the only thing that will move them from that position is more scripture. What is the point of 'debate' when it is a dead end from the beginning?
Post by: stevey on December 28, 2005, 05:16:43 AM
To hell!!!
Post by: Karl Castaneda #2 on December 28, 2005, 08:52:19 AM
And for the record, I thought the novelty of this game was pretty funny.
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on January 01, 2006, 03:04:37 PM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on January 01, 2006, 11:58:48 PM
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/profile/games_table.php?user=kiwijester&mode=want
Apparently he is actually not so opposed to filthy sex games!
Edit: unless there is more than one game nerd with the name he entered into his profile
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on January 02, 2006, 11:12:03 AM
Post by: wandering on January 05, 2006, 08:10:11 PM
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My reply is "And those two things sticking out of the bottom of your ass are for what?"
Making wine?
Post by: animecyberrat on May 13, 2008, 11:48:33 PM
