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Title: Scotch tape beats Sony
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on November 21, 2005, 01:33:09 PM: Yup, simple piece of tape on the outside of a sony copy protected CD defeats the copy protection

Information week

Oh yeah their also getting sued under anti-spyware laws...mmmm...Karma

Businessweek
Title: RE: Scotch tape beats Sony
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 21, 2005, 04:23:52 PM: Will Scotch tape help the PS3?
Title: RE: Scotch tape beats Sony
Post by: Hans Beckert on November 21, 2005, 05:30:50 PM: Well, Scotch tape might help keep the PS3 from falling completely apart ten minutes after you take it out of the box...
Title: RE: Scotch tape beats Sony
Post by: KDR_11k on November 22, 2005, 03:05:37 AM: You do know that telling us that piece of information is a felony under US law?
Title: RE: Scotch tape beats Sony
Post by: odifiend on November 22, 2005, 03:27:45 AM: KDR, I don't see how that is possible since that same information and the history of circumventing sony's copy protection was published in information week.
I wonder what research firm would decide to take on this project?
Title: RE:Scotch tape beats Sony
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 22, 2005, 08:45:10 AM: Actually it's not illegal since Sony had to recall all of their copy-protected CDs and stop using their protection...and even if the protection was still being used, telling someone how to disable it is not illegal.
Title: RE: Scotch tape beats Sony
Post by: stevey on November 22, 2005, 12:01:59 PM: " "After more than five years of trying, the recording industry has not yet demonstrated a workable DRM scheme for music CDs," concluded the Gartner analysts. "It will never achieve this goal as long as CDs must be playable by stand-alone CD players." "

hmmm.... O_o
Title: RE: Scotch tape beats Sony
Post by: KDR_11k on November 22, 2005, 11:07:19 PM: The DMCA says that circumventing a copy protection without the consent of the copyright holder and telling others how to do it (or giving them the means to do so) constitutes a felony. You can ask Sony to tell you how to remove the copy protection but they will only help you with the rootkit, the Cactus Data Shield, which this method also applies to, is NOT included in that permission. So disabling the CDS protection IS A FELONY. Of course it's illogical and outrageous but that's why everyone but the RIAA/MPAA wants that f#cking DMCA revoked.

And I don't think Sony approves of THIS method so it may still be a crime.
Title: RE: Scotch tape beats Sony
Post by: UncleBob on November 22, 2005, 11:26:22 PM: You know, I don't want to defend Sony on this one, but...

People keep saying "What's the harm in downloading music?"

It's like pirating software... The more people pirate, the harder it gets to use for those of us who legally purchase our software. Now music is working the same way?

And you can't really blame the record/software companies for trying to protect their rights - I mean, do you blame your neighbors for locking their car doors at night?
Title: RE:Scotch tape beats Sony
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on November 23, 2005, 07:22:03 AM: Ah but what about fair use rights, if i own a CD I should be allowed to use it anywhere I want, including rip the songs to my Ipod and even make a backup copy to protect against scratches. This was one of the reaosns i hated the lawsuits against dvd xcopy, if i own something I should have the right to make a copy of it and use it on my media players.

In addition the manufacturer has no right to invade my privacy or gain control of my system at will, and don't bring up the whole, but it was in the Eula argument, they know almost no one reads the whole Eula, if you're going to try something like that you'd better make it clear and in big huge letters that no one can miss.

In fact Sony's actions make me more likely to use alternate methods to obtain their media, P2P, Bittorrent, etc. Just because its safer to my system.

Personally I hope this costs Sony billions.
Title: RE: Scotch tape beats Sony
Post by: KDR_11k on November 24, 2005, 04:51:30 AM: UncleBob: Please do not call that "pirating". Piracy involves armed attacks on civil airplanes or ships over international waters. By calling warezers "pirates" you further the MPAA/RIAA's plans to cause large-scale global cooling and destroy mankind! Do not let EVIL(tm) succeed!

And you can't really blame the record/software companies for trying to protect their rights - I mean, do you blame your neighbors for locking their car doors at night?

What they're doing isn't locking their doors, it's installing an automated gun on the roof that shoots anyone within line-of-sight because they may be potential car thieves.
Title: RE: Scotch tape beats Sony
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 24, 2005, 08:18:50 AM: Don't forget that the actual car thieves have all sorts of ways to remotely disable the automated gun, so only the innocent get shot.