Post by: Agent on February 21, 2003, 05:38:41 PM
Think its a combination of a few things. That Xbox recently secured the number two spot. And that Microsoft has started to appeal to the mainstream gamer, somthing nintendo has yet to do. The third is that PS2 is so far ahead, some are just looking for a fight, and the only forseable contender they can go up against, is Xbox, so that is what they went with.
Any thoughts?
p.s. Lets try and keep the discussion civil, so this doesn't get closed. Lets just have some intellegent conversation.
Post by: Grey Ninja on February 21, 2003, 06:09:56 PM
1) The Architecture. Putting a PC in a box that resembles a console somewhat, and runs a Windows OS is NOT the way to make a console. The very idea of it annoys me. Consoles and PCs should be kept seperate, and I do not like the integration thing MS is pushing.
2) Microsoft. They have no gaming experience, and nothing other than greed brought them into the console industry. They figure that if they can throw enough money in, they can buy themselves a place, and make some more money. I have no respect for that philosophy.
3) The advertising. Their ads remind me of AOL ads. They don't contain much factual information, and rely entirely on hyping up something that isn't true. (250 million polys/sec, exclusive games, most powerful console ever made, etc, etc, etc.)
That about covers my primary reasons for hating it. I would NEVER buy an Xbox. I don't care if they bought the most magnificent game ever. I don't care if they bought Nintendo. I am never EVER buying another Microsoft product as long as I live because of the Xbox.
I have no such disposition towards Sony however. I don't really care about them either way.
Post by: vitaflo on February 21, 2003, 06:39:03 PM
I can be counted in that bunch. I really dispise the company, and refuse to use any MS products at all, which is why I'm not a fan of Xbox. They will never see a dime from me.
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Post by: theaveng on February 22, 2003, 01:34:15 AM
It's the lack of good software I dislike. See, most of the games are already available for my PC, so there's no reason to buy the console... which leaves only X-box exclusives 3-4 games that I'd want. I don't think that's a big enough library to justify purchase.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on February 22, 2003, 03:07:16 AM
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Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 22, 2003, 04:23:12 AM
If some of you guys hate Microsoft so much why don't you burn down xbox stock housings? If you want to get microsoft to leave the industry you might as well commit crimes /sarcasm
Post by: Agent on February 22, 2003, 05:37:40 AM
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Post by: couchmonkey on February 22, 2003, 09:29:08 AM
I hated Sega during the Super Nintendo era, I hated Sony during the N64 era, and I hate Microsoft during the GameCube era....I think maybe it does have something to do with Xbox being Nintendo's closest competitor, because really, there's no way in hell either console is going to beat the PS2. I think it also has to do with my distaste for Microsoft as a company. I realize Nintendo and Sony are cold-hearted nasty companies too, but I think MS really symbolizes everything that's wrong with big business.
Having said all that, I still think the Xbox is a decent console, and once a few Rare games are released on it, I will probably wishing I had one.
Post by: codyy on February 22, 2003, 10:15:43 AM
I also can't stand Ed Fries and Micro$oft's promotional campaigns etc. When they beat Nintendo in sales for said month they toot their horns and let everyone know. The truth is though Nintendo has sold more in past months and said nothing. Ed Fries is a jerk for slamming Nintendo on having a handle on the back and for slamming PS2 for having inferior graphics (something like,"Why waste your money on Playstation when you can play those same games on Xbox with better graphics and control") Please.
Post by: Ace on February 22, 2003, 10:42:29 AM
Post by: Agent on February 22, 2003, 12:08:38 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 22, 2003, 02:11:04 PM
No, I think EVERYBODY hates MS.
Not a whole lot of us hate the XBox, but MS we see as the reincarnation of Satan. I only use Windows because almost every good PC game is exclusive to it. A lot of us don't buy an XBox either because we have no interest in it or we make ourselves THINK we have no interest i it because the XBox is a threat to the Gamecube. Unfortunatly, the fanboys are much more vocal on their opinions of MS and the XBox, hence people generalizing *all* Nintendo fans into the "XBox hating category". I'd buy an XBox in an instant if I could afford it. I mean, I've got the $200 for the system, but I my income is what my parent's give me in allowance, and that's barely enough to support my PS2 and Gamecube. I don't wanna buy a system only to acquire 2 or 3 games for it, no matter how many more I WANT to get.
Post by: theaveng on February 22, 2003, 05:43:52 PM
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I just think MS gets a bad rep in the computer world becuase there #1 and everyones gunning for 'em.
No. I hate Microsoft because every damn day their damn OS crashes my damn computer, and it's damn annoying. Damn them.
Post by: RahXephon on February 22, 2003, 06:06:51 PM
I don't know why other cube owners hate the X. I am a Nintendo fanboy, but i still love my Box. To me Xbox is like the cute little brother. Girls (assumiong your a guy, but could work vice versa) will say he is so cute, but they don't mean gorgeous. By this I mean, it is not a threat, but still has appeal. The games are NOT mainstream. Actually Xbox seems to have the WIDEST VARIETY OF ALL SYSTEMS.
Anyway i still Love my cube the most, but i like my Box too.
Post by: PIAC on February 22, 2003, 07:42:54 PM
i also generally hate microsoft =\ nothing i have heard about on xbawx makes me want one either, while i am tempted to get a ps2 (rpgs are my weakpoint)
Post by: SilverBack1138 on February 22, 2003, 08:53:40 PM
Another is delaying or even trying to cancel PC games for XBox exclusivity. Like SW:Knights of the Old Republic. They deliberately delayed the PC version just so people who want the game will buy XBox. I can even understand them doing it for consoles, but even to PC games. I can understand them trying to get one up on the competition, but even to the PC gamers. I don't really blame the developers for doing it since they need the money to keep in business. I just think instead of trying to make XBox successful based on their own merits, they are running a fanboy regime.
Post by: Pat on February 23, 2003, 02:00:18 AM
Anyways, I have also been a Nintendo-fan all my life. Never really HATED...Sega, cause I never tried it out, never got one of their systems. I wasn't as hardcore back then about games. >.> Anyways. I love the Xbox compared to the Psx/2. My Ps2 works as good as my NES, which is pretty damn bad if you consider I don't have the plug to my NES. Xbox has maybe one game I like...Halo. Halo..is probably my favorite game. It is so friggin fun, Maybe it's because I read the novel, Halo: The Fall of Reach, but it has a great storyline. And the music is awsome, the graphics are good, the Multiplayer is great, the easter eggs, well, let's just say I hunt everyday for more glitches and easter eggs to hold me off til PlanetSide! :: cheer :: And Halo 2!!!! And it doesn't take forever and a day to load like on the Ps2, with it's few good games. Anyways, Gamecube still has my main man, Mario. :: nod nod ::
Now..let us listen to Spongebob Squarepants FUN song..
Post by: codyy on February 23, 2003, 09:29:41 AM
Now..let us listen to Spongebob Squarepants FUN song..
F is for fire that burns down the town
U is for uranium...Bombs!!!
N is for no survivors...
er...sorry. Another reason I detest Xbox is, like SilverBack1138 said, they focus more on bashing other systems than themselves. Why? Because they have nothinng good to report!!! That's Why!!!
Post by: 3_MaSteRPIeCE on February 23, 2003, 12:38:02 PM
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Originally posted by: codyy
Now..let us listen to Spongebob Squarepants FUN song..
F is for fire that burns down the town
U is for uranium...Bombs!!!
N is for no survivors...
er...sorry. Another reason I detest Xbox is, like SilverBack1138 said, they focus more on bashing other systems than themselves. Why? Because they have nothinng good to report!!! That's Why!!!
So you bash them becuase you have nothing to do either.
Good reason..
All this system hating shows how pathetic people are today. No wonder they say gaming is for nerds. Cause most gamers break down games and systems like their life depends on it and they fight over it.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 23, 2003, 01:04:06 PM
EXACTLY- that's what I've been trying toe tell people for years. They're VIDEOGAMES people. It's not like if they're suddenly gone tomorrow our lives will end. It's just a hobby that a lot of people take way too far. Not all of them, but a good enough portion that it's becoming a problem. Seriously, if you guys think your lives revolve around videogames, you need to spread out more. Just designate like a week or a month or so in which you DON'T play videogames- it'll force people to explore what other things they have to do.
Post by: Marcus Arillius on February 23, 2003, 03:27:44 PM
Post by: PIAC on February 23, 2003, 04:53:39 PM
but i do really dislike microsoft with a passion, mostly for their pc products, anyone who knows anything about PCs will agree what an abomination windowsMe was, XP is thankfully alot more stable, but still has daft problems/messages in it, rah =\
fanboys of any console are bad, they give people bad impressions =\ and ive encounted ALOT of xbawx fanboys, its scary, does that machine have some form of mind altering ray built into the controller that messes with your head and causes you to become a microsoft zealot =\
back to my gamecube
/me played the 3rd level of the 2nd area of Gauntlet Dark Legacy
Post by: 3_MaSteRPIeCE on February 23, 2003, 04:59:28 PM
Too many ... . (heck you figure out this word yourself). Now if i were to post freely that i have an xbox console i would immediately get stereotyped as an idiot or something.
They give us bad names and get people thinking about a group.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 23, 2003, 08:12:47 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on February 24, 2003, 01:52:36 AM
- I hated the way they made the system
- I hate the way they market their system: Using negative PR and hype.
- I just hate Bill Gates.
- Their exclusive games just don't have that 'magic', something only Nintendo games have. I played Blinx, and having techno music in a platform game is a no-no. And what's with the vacuum cleaner? Blinx uses it to get rid of trash (hence the name Time SWEEPER), and he can use the trash as projectiles to hit enemies. No other game lets you use a vacuum in this generation, other than Luigi's Mansion, and that is the obviously the inspiration for it.
I hate it when developers say "[Insert Nintendo game here] was the inspiration for our platform/futuristic racer/shooter/adventure/kart racing/puzzle game". So if it was, why don't they make for the N64/Cube instead of the PS2 or XBox?
If you read the feature "What has Nintendo ever done for us" in Australian CUBE Magazine #5, you can see everything they've made trends in the industry, and you can see what I mean.
Sorry to be off topic, but that Blinx guy just gave me an inkling i needed to get out of my system against the originality of some peoples games for other systems.
Post by: rodtod on February 24, 2003, 01:33:03 PM
Post by: codyy on February 24, 2003, 01:58:07 PM
Video games for Nerds? what planet are you from? Well, here on earth, it is cool to own any console no matter what it is.
besides I find great fun out of bashing other consoles. don't you? Then why are you writing on this forum? Be gone foul vermin!!!
befor anyone did anything, Nintendo and Sega did Everything.
Screw technology. I'm going to play some donkey kong junior...
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 24, 2003, 02:45:55 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on February 24, 2003, 03:21:05 PM
So if you really want to say you love Xbox, go to an Xbox forum, where you will be praised and slapped on the back, instead of knocked down and spit on, so to speak.
Post by: Marcus Arillius on February 24, 2003, 05:09:12 PM
Now, I can say I'm not a fan of the X-box, I don't like how Bill Gates needs to try to get his greedy paws into the gaming business, however, its good that there is competition. It forces the other companies to come out with higher quality and cheaper products. Not to say that Nintendo's products aren't high-quality, but Nintendo is now getting a better feel for what the mainstream wants through its competition with sony and x-box.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on February 25, 2003, 03:52:22 AM
Competition is good, and it has made Nintendo see where it stands in terms of the mainstream game market, but a rival that wants to monopolise the market, and even wanted to buy you, is not really a rivial. It becomes a personal matter. Nintendo stands for everything in the passion of games, and game design. That is what I love about them. But Microsoft has overshadowed that with greediness, arrogance and ignorance, and that i why I hate them, but is also the reason why most people like them.
Post by: codyy on February 25, 2003, 01:03:25 PM
Be gone...foul Xbox fanboys!!! Go back into that hole you call a Xbox Forum!!!
Post by: Termin8Anakin on February 25, 2003, 02:00:59 PM
Post by: sequoia on February 25, 2003, 03:50:54 PM
. Anyway, Ive played xbox, Halo,and some others. Do I enjoy them? hell yes! I can only speak for halo, very good game. I dont buy an xbox is because my friends have one. I just dont like it when I play their boxes they think that I dont like the cube anymore, and get on my case. but when there playen the cube and enjoying it, they turn around and deny that they had fun. Bleedin heart liberals.
Post by: Marcus Arillius on February 25, 2003, 05:39:10 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 26, 2003, 11:37:26 AM
A nerd is someone who is extremely book smart. They get great grades in school and generally aren't troublemakers. They've severely departed from the stereostype depicted in Revenge of the Nerds, but they ARE very smart.
A geek is someone who is obsessed with something. They aren't necessarily booksmart, at least in fields other than their area of interest. these are your hardcore hobbiests.
I myself have been described as a nerd- my GPA is usually 4.0 or a little higher (due to honors classes- I'll be in 3 next year). But I DO have a social life, and a pretty good one at that. I have a close knit group of friends of around 6 or so and innumerous close acquaintances that I talk to every day (it's kinda hard not to when you high school has some 2,400 students). I'm also a geek, as is everyone hardcore enough to go to an internet message board. I'm obsessed with videogames, Middle-Earth flaura (all of Tolkien's work, not just LotR), and Star Wars. Just because you're a geek or a nerd doesn't mean you're annoying or boring- I don't know too many people that use those terms in the dictionary sense.
Post by: sequoia on February 26, 2003, 12:52:36 PM
My social life was lacking when I was homeschooled(explains a lot in more ways that one heh?) Well I finally started hanging out with some people and I have a good social life of about 10 people
But the problem is that they all live 10 miles from me, so about 3 times during the mid-week Im In the area and hang. Then I stay the whole weekend Im going to take some time out and thank the almighty Lord for cars.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 26, 2003, 01:43:34 PM
I may some day, though.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on February 26, 2003, 01:58:05 PM
Back on topic please?
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 26, 2003, 03:14:44 PM
Anyway, back on topic, system bashing really isn't prevalent here- most of us here aren't the type to bash a console, although I won't say ALL of us. Regardless, I think anyone here could express their interest in either a Gamecube or a PS2 without getting any serious flack. Hell, most of the staffers of PGC own at least an XBox or PS2 in addition to their Gamecube (at least I HOPE they all have Gamecubes
).
Post by: dumdum on February 26, 2003, 04:26:07 PM
I mean WTF? I mean i tend to go for the games, not the system. I have an xbox and a cube and i enjoy them both very much. Im trying to cut back so i can get a PS2 and its AAA titles. Dont be such fanboys(to everyone not just nintendo's) and just play the games. Every system has really good games.
And to the comments about how the architecture of the xbox sucks: Yeah, so? Doesnt it produce the best graphics and effects??? and do you open up you're box and look at the inside while you're playing??? And besides it fits very nicely on top of my reciever and vcr.
I pity all the ones who say that they HATE MS/sony and theyll never buy a product from them. You are missing out on a lot.
Post by: nolimit19 on February 26, 2003, 04:58:15 PM
"I don't hate Xbox. I hate those annoying Xbox Fanboys."
codyy
thats solid bro
"Many PGC staff have Xboxen, myself included. And I have a whopping THREE games for it. I don't hate the Xbox, I just wish there was more decent games to play on it."
aw very nice mr rick powers
and here ya go
"No, I think EVERYBODY hates MS. Not a whole lot of us hate the XBox, but MS we see as the reincarnation of Satan. I only use Windows because almost every good PC game is exclusive to it. A lot of us don't buy an XBox either because we have no interest in it or we make ourselves THINK we have no interest i it because the XBox is a threat to the Gamecube. Unfortunatly, the fanboys are much more vocal on their opinions of MS and the XBox, hence people generalizing *all* Nintendo fans into the "XBox hating category". I'd buy an XBox in an instant if I could afford it. I mean, I've got the $200 for the system, but I my income is what my parent's give me in allowance, and that's barely enough to support my PS2 and Gamecube. I don't wanna buy a system only to acquire 2 or 3 games for it, no matter how many more I WANT to get."
good ole' mouse clicker, a man after my own heart. i especailly like it when u referred to m$ as the reincarnation of satan.
and yes i suppose i will just admit to it.......i hate micorsoft, and i think it would have been better if they had never entered the console wars. hopefully it will end up hurting them in the end though. no matter how many consoles they sell this generation, they will always be last in profits, and thats all i really want. cuz i know when next generation comes around, they wont be able to give away everything for free. and no one will buy an xbox2 and they still wont make any money. then it will go back to the 2 console race like it should be. and to get more back to the topic, i am not sure why i hate m$. i think it may be their dumb ass fan boys. i still dont hate sony and never did, but there is something about m$ that i jsut dont like. if it was anyone elses console, i wouldnt dislike it at all. i like sega, and always did. m$ is just an easy company to hate......because they are evil.
Post by: sequoia on February 27, 2003, 06:47:29 AM
Elvish is fun to learn mouse_clicker. you can find yourself an elvish name and use it to mess with peoples minds. I want to find a dwarfish for myself
Post by: Cashcow on February 27, 2003, 09:31:36 AM
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The xbox only fans are ignorant and blinded.
You realize how hypocritical that sounds, right? If you mean the "only Xbox fans" or "Xbox's only fans", that is...
Back on topic: People usually hate consoles that they don't own or can't have.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 27, 2003, 11:39:00 AM
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Post by: egman on February 28, 2003, 03:38:01 AM
The Sega support has been a real draw, but outside of that and some of the cool exclusives like Halo my interest begins to wane. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that I'm not really into competetive games. With Microsoft making a large push online, there are more sports and FPS and racers being put on the system than I would like. This is the main reason I'm not a big PC gamersanymore. The adventure genre has all but become instinct on that platform.
There's nothing wrong with Xbox having all those genres, but I hope developers don't forget there are people out their who like adventuring and exploring by themselves rather than trying to get the most frags.
Post by: sequoia on February 28, 2003, 09:08:45 AM
Post by: Mode 7 on February 28, 2003, 10:39:21 AM
That being said, I don't hate X-Box. True, they do a lot of talking and not enough delivering, but I don't hate them for that. I would expect that out of an American company that is trying to draw in a mass of consumers. Face the facts: the average person is enthralled by power, fictitious or not. It's a tried and true strategy. That just makes them business men (and women). Their sales reps do some really shady work, such as demanding some much floor and wall space in a store. Et cetera.
Why I don't like X-Box is because there is only one game on it worth playing: Halo. Halo is the X-Box selling point, and truth be told, it's not even that stellar. I'd rather be playing Unreal Tournament 2003 or Timesplitters 2. Anyone that says Halo is not the selling point is bias, mistaken, or flat-out lying. The rest of its library is mediocre at best.
Granted this is my opinion, but I'd like to think it's more than "just a fanboy's." I mean, I own a TG-16, a Turbo Duo, a Saturn, a PS2, and a Dreamcast. Like I said, huge Nintendo fan, but I'm a gamer at the same time.
Post by: Cashcow on March 01, 2003, 04:02:51 AM
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I mean people who live by the xbox and no other system.
Well yeah, all fanboys are ignorant to some extent.
Post by: Masterpiccolo on March 09, 2003, 03:11:52 PM
I believe Mircosoft doesn't belong in the consoles because one thing they do not make their own games.
Thats why Nintendo is superior.
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Post by: MutFox on March 13, 2003, 12:13:33 AM
It's a game I will Totally get for my PC when it comes out...
Hopefully they Fix the Later Levels, they get kinda boring, same Textures over and over, gets you lost.
Probably cause MS wanted the game at launch, so it wasn't completely done.
Splinter Cell is OK...
Playing X-Box Game of the Year for my PC right now...
But the games that are taking most of my time now are Metroid Prime, and LoZ: OoT-Master Quest
games That I can only get on my Gamecube.
Can't Wait for LoZ: WW
Hope X-Box stays well... It's Bringing lots of good games to the PC Community...
Post by: Termin8Anakin on March 13, 2003, 02:04:06 AM
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Originally posted by: MutFox
Hope X-Box stays well... It's Bringing lots of good games to the PC Community...
Haha.
Post by: Jirachi on March 13, 2003, 03:33:01 PM
As for the People who hate M$, why, don't be mad because a bigger company can produce better hardware, and use its money to bring together the worlds most technologicaly advanced games ever, and you can't. How did M$ take over Nintendo's teritory. Who said it was Nintendo's in the first place. Didn't Nintendo invade Atari, and those other ancient consoles space. As for why I think GCN fans dislike xbox, maybe its because when they both were release their main compition was each other, not PS2. All I have to say is Xbox > GCN > PS2
Post by: nolimit19 on March 13, 2003, 05:59:02 PM
there are so many things wrong with this quote i dont know where to begin.....so i wont.
Post by: Jirachi on March 13, 2003, 06:14:31 PM
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Originally posted by: nolimit19
"As for the People who hate M$, why, don't be mad because a bigger company can produce better hardware, and use its money to bring together the worlds most technologicaly advanced games ever, and you can't. How did M$ take over Nintendo's teritory. Who said it was Nintendo's in the first place. Didn't Nintendo invade Atari, and those other ancient consoles space. As for why I think GCN fans dislike xbox, maybe its because when they both were release their main compition was each other, not PS2. All I have to say is Xbox > GCN > PS2"
there are so many things wrong with this quote i dont know where to begin.....so i wont.
If you have a problem with my post, just tell me. I want to hear. All I was trying to say is that there is no reason to hate another system just becuse it is doing better than another.
Post by: Christberg on March 13, 2003, 06:26:51 PM
That aside, I play games, not consoles. Therefore I could care less who makes what. Currently I own all 3, but my Xbox gets the least amount of playtime. Why? Lack of good games. The only games I've found on it that I really, genuinely like are Panzer Dragoon Orta, Rallisport Challenge, and DOA3. Splinter Cell suffers horribly from artificial difficulty. I really wanted to like that game, but... Halo? Great in terms of console FPSes, but when you count PC... it's pretty mediocre. Everything that makes Halo great has already been done in PC FPSes, and better. Better level design, better AI, better enemy design, vehicles are WAY better implemented in BF1942.
My GC and PS2 both get the hell played out of them, and my GBA, too.
IMO, if MS could get a lineup that'd hold my attention then I'd find their console really appealing. It's got the most powerful hardware and it's really easy to develop for and all... but where the HELL are the good games? Egh.
Post by: JoeFalco on March 13, 2003, 06:41:08 PM
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Originally posted by: Jirachi
I was a Nintendo Fanboy since the N64
Really? I was a fan since the original NES. Shows you how old I really am
Anyway, I'm not going to pay for a X-Box because, well, I'm just not interested with what Bill Gates has to offer. I'm more comfortable with Nintendo because I believe in the excellence in quality that are in their top games. I know Nintendo can not steer me wrong. I have nothing against X-Box in the slightest way. I don't care if whether or not X-Box is a better system than the Gamecube. I have been a supporter of only two big game companies, Nintendo and Sega. Since Sega has now become a software instead of a hardware developing company, I save my cash for only Nintendo products. Oh and about the Playstation...not interested in that either. Nintendo all the way, baby!
Post by: Jirachi on March 13, 2003, 06:44:12 PM
Post by: JoeFalco on March 13, 2003, 06:47:10 PM
If there's one system you can always count on that can let you play nearly any game from nearly any system would be the humble PC.
Post by: Jirachi on March 13, 2003, 06:50:08 PM
But what you said for eveything that made Halo amazing has been done already on PC games. Well apart from Doom3 which is coming to xbox, none have passed it is graphics, as for massive levels, if you actually take the time to play through halo, you will see that the levels are bigger than most PC games have to offer. Also how can you say that a game has better enemy design, they are two totally different games, one is present realistic, the other is fictional futuristic.
Post by: Jirachi on March 13, 2003, 06:54:42 PM
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Originally posted by: JoeFalco
Well that's sorta not true...at least not yet!
If there's one system you can always count on that can let you play nearly any game from nearly any system would be the humble PC.
I don't really like PC games, I have a pretty good PC, but I don't like dealing with online lag (thats why I like Xboxlive), also most PC games tend to be single player (which can't keep my attention for long). Also the average xbox game looks and plays better than the average PC game.
One good thing that PC games have to offer is diversity tho. There are many different types of games for anyone to play. I just hate it when ppl try to dis the box by saying all of its games are on PC. Such lies, most likely if you see a PC game on a console, it has most likely been upgraded, not just ported.
Post by: JoeFalco on March 13, 2003, 06:58:18 PM
No I haven't spent much time playing any games on a X-Box. Still, I'm just not that interested. Also, I'm poor so the chances I will have both a X-Box and the Gamecube I have right now is slim to none.
Post by: rpglover on March 15, 2003, 04:01:47 AM
i will list the ones i do like though
halo, panzer dragoon, shenmue 2, and maybe gunvalkyre
now i am sure they have more good games but of all the ones i have played those 4 are my favorite
i do not own an xbox but my friends all do, so i can play it whenever
but the biggest thing i dont like about the xbox is that its all hype
they have ads everywhere bashing the other systems and ranting about its good games
personally i have yet to see a good rpg on the xbox (besides shenmue 2)
in fact the only thing that the xbox has done right so far is the futuristic shooter genre
well those are my reasons
i own a ps2 and gc and play gc more than ps2 because of nintendos games
the ps2 is mainly my rpg system so i can get my fix on rpgs
Post by: cubefreak123 on March 15, 2003, 08:41:39 AM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on March 16, 2003, 12:28:10 AM
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Originally posted by: cubefreak123
I think the main reason i dont like xbox is because they have bashed gamecube. Im not joking i saw it in a video they were showing a football demo and bill gates point to the football and said look thats the gamecube. I was so pissed the i swoar never to buy a xbox.
Microsoft's ad campaigns have been unethical, unfair, and exploitive. Everything they have done is against everything I stand for in console gaming.
Post by: AERO on March 16, 2003, 07:09:20 AM
Post by: cubefreak123 on March 16, 2003, 10:55:22 AM
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Post by: thecubedcanuck on March 17, 2003, 08:51:48 AM
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Microsoft's ad campaigns have been unethical, unfair, and exploitive. Everything they have done is against everything I stand for in console gaming.
LMAO, that is just to damn funny. Everything you stand for in console gaming, that is the best part. You must be a relative of Martha Burke.
Post by: Christberg on March 17, 2003, 09:32:51 AM
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Originally posted by: Jirachi
I tend to play both consoles and games. To me a game isn't worth over 9.5 unless it has all of the following, decent (preferable excellent) graphics, good controls, lasting gameplay, multiplayer (in some form), and some thing that makes it different from other games. Where do I find the most of these games, on my black box. I don't see why you think there aren't many "good" games on the box, but then again I don't know what types of games you like. IMO xbox has tons of quality games in every genre (except rpg( I mean its rpg's are good but they are mostly realtime, not turnbased which most people like)).
But what you said for eveything that made Halo amazing has been done already on PC games. Well apart from Doom3 which is coming to xbox, none have passed it is graphics, as for massive levels, if you actually take the time to play through halo, you will see that the levels are bigger than most PC games have to offer. Also how can you say that a game has better enemy design, they are two totally different games, one is present realistic, the other is fictional futuristic.
Graphically speaking, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Unreal Tournament 2k3, Unreal 2, and Serious Sam 2nd Enounter are all nicer looking games. Some of these were out/well into development before the Xbox was even released. Serious Sam 2nd Encounter has even larger levels than Halo, although Halo has some pretty darn big ones admittedly.
Enemy design has nothing to do with what paradigm the enemies are in. The game's time period and art style are irrelevant to the discussion.
The Xbox has tons of quality racing games. That much is undeniable, but how many racing games do YOU buy in the average year? Let's face it, where's the topnotch exclusive fighting game? Not there. Where are the turn based RPGs? Not there. Where's the exclusive killer platformer? Not there. Where's the exclusive Zelda killer? Not there. The Xbox has a strong lineup of action games, especially "gritty scifi" ones, and a strong lineup of racing games... and not much else.
Post by: Christberg on March 17, 2003, 10:11:29 AM
but that aside, I certainly understand that preference plays a big role and that there are a lot of people who are cmpletely happy with their Xboxes. That's fine.
Post by: Jirachi on March 17, 2003, 01:34:58 PM
Want party games there are a few, but then again the averge xbox gamer is an adult, so party games would be big on the system. Kung Fu Chaos, Fuzion Frenzy, Wacked!. Kung Fu Chaos is amazing, even if you don't have an xbox find someone with it, and play it.
Also why does a system have to have an exclusive game. Pretty much all xbox games that are on other systems look better/play better/ are just plain old better. Oh an exclusive platformer would be Blinx: the time sweeper.
RPG's xbox doesn't really have that many turn based rpg's. But it has tons of real time rpg's. IMO real time are better because they require both lightning fast reflexes, and strategy.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on March 17, 2003, 02:07:12 PM
Kung Fi Chaos looks funny (from the movies I saw), but I haven't seen it here in Australia. The way the fights are set in movies is pretty novel. And whatever you say, SSBM IS a fighting game, and it is ALSO a party game. As is Kung Fu Chaos (a fighting game).
Fighting games haven't made it that well on Gamecube, but as far as the N64 is concerned, it rocks.
And Blinx is a crap platformer (I have played it so I CAN pass judgement).
Post by: Christberg on March 17, 2003, 02:33:52 PM
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Originally posted by: Jirachi
You want exclusive fighting games, DOA (in ya face). Lol, oh plz name an exclusive fighting game on GCN. SSB melee is not what I call a fighting game. Oh we also have Capcom vs Snk 2 EO (on xbox live).
Want party games there are a few, but then again the averge xbox gamer is an adult, so party games would be big on the system. Kung Fu Chaos, Fuzion Frenzy, Wacked!. Kung Fu Chaos is amazing, even if you don't have an xbox find someone with it, and play it.
Also why does a system have to have an exclusive game. Pretty much all xbox games that are on other systems look better/play better/ are just plain old better. Oh an exclusive platformer would be Blinx: the time sweeper.
RPG's xbox doesn't really have that many turn based rpg's. But it has tons of real time rpg's. IMO real time are better because they require both lightning fast reflexes, and strategy.
DOA3 is a suped up DOA2. That is, nothing too special but a solid game nonetheless. That's a LAUNCH TITLE. Despite the graphics not being as good, Bloody Roar Primal Fury is every bit as good of a game, then you have Super Smash Brothers which is excellent, although admittedly not a traditional fighter. I was more speaking for my PS2 where this is concerned. Can the Xbox touch having VF4 and Tekken Tag Tounament and Tekken 4? Hardly.
Fuzion Frenzy and Whacked are junk. Kung Fu Chaos is mediocre next to SSBM at best. Saying it's an "adult system" isn't an excuse. You either have the games, or a hole in your lineup.
Don't get me started on Blinx. It had potential. I really wanted that game to be good. It's not.
Most Xbox games look better, but not good enough to say that it's worth buying the system over it, nor is it always the case. Since they're the same friggin' game, that doesn't mean they play better, they play the same. A lot of Xbox "exclusives" like Dead to Rights benefitted from the extra time in development and actually play better on the competition's systems.
The Xbox has NO Turn Based RPGs. It probably never will. Turn Based RPGs allow for much greater depth of strategy than a realtime one, which saying it has "loads" is a joke. Morrowind is the only one worth mentioning and Fable, whenever it actually comes out, maybe Kotor depending (I'm looking forward to it quite a bit). Sudeki? We'll see, not expecting much. The GC will own the Xbox where RPGs are concerned before the 2 system's lifecycles are over, guaranteed.
Post by: Jirachi on March 17, 2003, 03:51:28 PM
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You want exclusive fighting games, DOA (in ya face). Lol, oh plz name an exclusive fighting game on GCN. SSB melee is not what I call a fighting game. Oh we also have Capcom vs Snk 2 EO (on xbox live).
Want party games there are a few, but then again the averge xbox gamer is an adult, so party games would be big on the system. Kung Fu Chaos, Fuzion Frenzy, Wacked!. Kung Fu Chaos is amazing, even if you don't have an xbox find someone with it, and play it.
Also why does a system have to have an exclusive game. Pretty much all xbox games that are on other systems look better/play better/ are just plain old better. Oh an exclusive platformer would be Blinx: the time sweeper.
RPG's xbox doesn't really have that many turn based rpg's. But it has tons of real time rpg's. IMO real time are better because they require both lightning fast reflexes, and strategy.
DOA3 is a suped up DOA2. That is, nothing too special but a solid game nonetheless. That's a LAUNCH TITLE. Despite the graphics not being as good, Bloody Roar Primal Fury is every bit as good of a game, then you have Super Smash Brothers which is excellent, although admittedly not a traditional fighter. I was more speaking for my PS2 where this is concerned. Can the Xbox touch having VF4 and Tekken Tag Tounament and Tekken 4? Hardly.
Fuzion Frenzy and Whacked are junk. Kung Fu Chaos is mediocre next to SSBM at best. Saying it's an "adult system" isn't an excuse. You either have the games, or a hole in your lineup.
Don't get me started on Blinx. It had potential. I really wanted that game to be good. It's not.
Most Xbox games look better, but not good enough to say that it's worth buying the system over it, nor is it always the case. Since they're the same friggin' game, that doesn't mean they play better, they play the same. A lot of Xbox "exclusives" like Dead to Rights benefitted from the extra time in development and actually play better on the competition's systems.
The Xbox has NO Turn Based RPGs. It probably never will. Turn Based RPGs allow for much greater depth of strategy than a realtime one, which saying it has "loads" is a joke. Morrowind is the only one worth mentioning and Fable, whenever it actually comes out, maybe Kotor depending (I'm looking forward to it quite a bit). Sudeki? We'll see, not expecting much. The GC will own the Xbox where RPGs are concerned before the 2 system's lifecycles are over, guaranteed.
DOA3 is so much more than a suped up DOA2. By saying that I can say that with smash bros aswell. Basically all smash bros melee is super smash bros with more levels, improved graphics, and really junky secret characters. Come on now, Link/young link, Mario/Dr.Mario, Pikachu/Pichu. The list goes on. I used to own ssb melee, sold it once me and my friends played it out. Also tekken, don't make me laugh, the game looks worse than the previous versions. Don't be a hater cause PS2 can't handle games like DOA3. I think its time for developers to stop spiting out qrainny looking games, ie Tekken, VF. Sega should know better.
Fuzion Frenzy and Whacked, do you own any of them. What makes them garbage. Don't just say something is a certain way. Back you OPINION's up with facts.
Blinx is way more innovative than Mario. Wow, mario has a water pack now. Super Mario Sunshine was a big flop. Don't get me wrong, it had decent graphics, tight gameplay, but as far as story, and some thing new, nope. Same old, same old.
No turn based RPG's , oh and Gamecube has soooo many turn based ( movie games, where half the game is a movie) RPG's, I'll name some, Skys of Arcadia?, Evolution Worlds, um tell me some more.what do you call, Metal Dungeon. It may be one, but look things up before you come to conclusions.
Post by: Demonhunter on March 17, 2003, 04:13:41 PM
I had written a VERY long (1 whole page) rant against your posts. But, after reading it, it seems that its been written before by everyone and you just dont get it. So I'm not going to post it and i'll keep this short.
I dont know where I heard this, but its very, very true:
Arguring on the internet is like competing in the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.
So i'm not going to argue with you.
Post by: Jirachi on March 17, 2003, 04:27:43 PM
As from now on, in these forums, I am a GCN freak. No more defending the box.
P.S. Pokemon rocks, thank you nintendo for this great game.
Post by: rpglover on March 17, 2003, 04:27:51 PM
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Originally posted by: Jirachi
DOA3 is so much more than a suped up DOA2. By saying that I can say that with smash bros aswell. Basically all smash bros melee is super smash bros with more levels, improved graphics, and really junky secret characters. Come on now, Link/young link, Mario/Dr.Mario, Pikachu/Pichu. The list goes on. I used to own ssb melee, sold it once me and my friends played it out. Also tekken, don't make me laugh, the game looks worse than the previous versions. Don't be a hater cause PS2 can't handle games like DOA3. I think its time for developers to stop spiting out qrainny looking games, ie Tekken, VF. Sega should know better.
Fuzion Frenzy and Whacked, do you own any of them. What makes them garbage. Don't just say something is a certain way. Back you OPINION's up with facts.
Blinx is way more innovative than Mario. Wow, mario has a water pack now. Super Mario Sunshine was a big flop. Don't get me wrong, it had decent graphics, tight gameplay, but as far as story, and some thing new, nope. Same old, same old.
No turn based RPG's , oh and Gamecube has soooo many turn based ( movie games, where half the game is a movie) RPG's, I'll name some, Skys of Arcadia?, Evolution Worlds, um tell me some more.what do you call, Metal Dungeon. It may be one, but look things up before you come to conclusions.
have you played metal dungeon- cause if you have you know it sucks
also- graphics do not always make the best games- see fighting games
VF4 is arguably the best fighter to date; while it may not have the graphics of DOA it sure is great to play
i will give you that blinx was innovative, but innovation doesnt always make a great game as blinx isnt the best game out there
now rpgs are what i really love (thus my name)
i do not have an xbox....yet
i might consider getting one for kotor or fable, when it comes out
but i do prefer turn based rpgs- they require strategy and management
basically i do not hate the xbox, but all they really do right so far are fps and sci-fi games
once they get a really good rpg, i may buy one, but those rpgs will probably never come
Post by: Demonhunter on March 17, 2003, 04:31:36 PM
Post by: Christberg on March 17, 2003, 05:34:25 PM
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You want exclusive fighting games, DOA (in ya face). Lol, oh plz name an exclusive fighting game on GCN. SSB melee is not what I call a fighting game. Oh we also have Capcom vs Snk 2 EO (on xbox live).
Want party games there are a few, but then again the averge xbox gamer is an adult, so party games would be big on the system. Kung Fu Chaos, Fuzion Frenzy, Wacked!. Kung Fu Chaos is amazing, even if you don't have an xbox find someone with it, and play it.
Also why does a system have to have an exclusive game. Pretty much all xbox games that are on other systems look better/play better/ are just plain old better. Oh an exclusive platformer would be Blinx: the time sweeper.
RPG's xbox doesn't really have that many turn based rpg's. But it has tons of real time rpg's. IMO real time are better because they require both lightning fast reflexes, and strategy.
DOA3 is a suped up DOA2. That is, nothing too special but a solid game nonetheless. That's a LAUNCH TITLE. Despite the graphics not being as good, Bloody Roar Primal Fury is every bit as good of a game, then you have Super Smash Brothers which is excellent, although admittedly not a traditional fighter. I was more speaking for my PS2 where this is concerned. Can the Xbox touch having VF4 and Tekken Tag Tounament and Tekken 4? Hardly.
Fuzion Frenzy and Whacked are junk. Kung Fu Chaos is mediocre next to SSBM at best. Saying it's an "adult system" isn't an excuse. You either have the games, or a hole in your lineup.
Don't get me started on Blinx. It had potential. I really wanted that game to be good. It's not.
Most Xbox games look better, but not good enough to say that it's worth buying the system over it, nor is it always the case. Since they're the same friggin' game, that doesn't mean they play better, they play the same. A lot of Xbox "exclusives" like Dead to Rights benefitted from the extra time in development and actually play better on the competition's systems.
The Xbox has NO Turn Based RPGs. It probably never will. Turn Based RPGs allow for much greater depth of strategy than a realtime one, which saying it has "loads" is a joke. Morrowind is the only one worth mentioning and Fable, whenever it actually comes out, maybe Kotor depending (I'm looking forward to it quite a bit). Sudeki? We'll see, not expecting much. The GC will own the Xbox where RPGs are concerned before the 2 system's lifecycles are over, guaranteed.
DOA3 is so much more than a suped up DOA2. By saying that I can say that with smash bros aswell. Basically all smash bros melee is super smash bros with more levels, improved graphics, and really junky secret characters. Come on now, Link/young link, Mario/Dr.Mario, Pikachu/Pichu. The list goes on. I used to own ssb melee, sold it once me and my friends played it out. Also tekken, don't make me laugh, the game looks worse than the previous versions. Don't be a hater cause PS2 can't handle games like DOA3. I think its time for developers to stop spiting out qrainny looking games, ie Tekken, VF. Sega should know better.
Fuzion Frenzy and Whacked, do you own any of them. What makes them garbage. Don't just say something is a certain way. Back you OPINION's up with facts.
Blinx is way more innovative than Mario. Wow, mario has a water pack now. Super Mario Sunshine was a big flop. Don't get me wrong, it had decent graphics, tight gameplay, but as far as story, and some thing new, nope. Same old, same old.
No turn based RPG's , oh and Gamecube has soooo many turn based ( movie games, where half the game is a movie) RPG's, I'll name some, Skys of Arcadia?, Evolution Worlds, um tell me some more.what do you call, Metal Dungeon. It may be one, but look things up before you come to conclusions.
I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you over anything. My opinion of DOA2 vs 3 certainly isn't that it's a bad game, it's pretty damn good in fact. That aside...
Whacked
Fuzion Frenzy
Blinx
Kung Fu Chaos
And these are supposedly excellent exclusive titles that stand up to the likes of
Mario Sunshine
Super Smash Brothers Melee
http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/22008.asp
Mario Party
Yeah right. Maybe Mario Party
Post by: Termin8Anakin on March 18, 2003, 12:37:59 AM
And yes, if you were expecting this sort of treatment in this GAMECUBE forum in the first place, stop trying to defend yourself as if you DIDN'T expect it.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on March 18, 2003, 03:52:22 AM
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Post by: manunited4eva22 on March 18, 2003, 02:22:36 PM
Post by: Jirachi on March 18, 2003, 02:41:13 PM
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i hate xbox cuz it stand for everything i stand against. sheep that follow something cuz they are told too. not all xbox owners are like this, but i do know many unhappy xbox owners.....cuz they werent informed.....thats y i hate xbox and their flamming fans.
Thats nice, like I give a damn. So you think there are no unhappy gcn gamers, I happen to know some myself, including myself. I still have a gamecube, in fact I have purchased two. Why I'm unhappy, because Nintendo just hasn't gotten it yet, twice Nintendo has been beaten by the newcomer. Why you all know why. If you don't know, I feel sorry for u cause you probably will never know. As for flamming fans, don't act like the xbox users are the ones, you hypocrite.
I think I found the answer to the question "Why do nintendo fans hate xbox so much?"
Answer: Becuse they can't stand to lose.
Post by: GoldShadow1 on March 18, 2003, 03:25:23 PM
I'm not that interested in Xbox, except for a few games like Halo or Shenmue II, but some Nintendo fans seem to utterly despise it. Really, what's the point in getting so caught up over it? If you don't want it, don't buy it. The only thing that is really annoying is the the fact that we don't get the next PD. It also has a mildly irritating shade of green.
Post by: yrrab436 on March 18, 2003, 04:52:49 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on March 19, 2003, 02:37:06 AM
No? Good, cause I'd hate to have two Matthew Sladescus in this world.
If you LOVE Xbox so much, stop posting here. We do accept people with opinions, like having Xboxes and PS2s and liking them, but it's because you say you don't like your Gamecube anymore which gives you all the more reason to be ranted against. And you're defending the XBox console on a GAMECUBE forum. IS there any more reason NOT to rant at you?
Post by: Jirachi on March 19, 2003, 11:05:32 AM
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Post by: manunited4eva22 on March 19, 2003, 03:41:36 PM
Post by: Mode 7 on March 20, 2003, 04:45:42 PM
I've given the Halo-Box a big chance to change my mind. A few friends keep bringing it over, I've put all kinds of hours into it, but the fact is that the games just aren't there yet. It's still the Halo-Box. Even my friends that have the Halo-Box agree, and that's something like six or seven casual gamers. The supposedly "hardcore" gamers I know lost all credibility when they insisted that GCN was a kidde console and that Sony was going to be buried. When the Halo-Box comes out with something spectacular, and does so until it numbers more than five spectacular games, I might buy it. Until then...
The comparison of multi-platform games being better on Halo-Box than on the other two consoles is entirely inaccurate, because most of them are developed for the PS2 first, on PS2 development kits. That means that their peak performance is what a PS2 could handle, theoretically. The only differences come in at loading time and anti-aliasing, which GCN and X-Box both have the same amount of. In short, if you're getting a game that is multi-platform, you don't get it on PS2, as both GCN and Halo-Box run it a little bit better than the PS2 and the same as each other.
The acquisition of Rare is also a non-issue, since Rare's prized workers have long left the company, and the company blows anyway. Look at the work they've got done in recent years... Dinosaur Planet? Thoroughly mediocre at best. Then they ruined Perfect Dark with its new anime style. Much like Halo 2, I doubt Perfect Dark will ever see the light of day in this generation of consoles. Good work Microsoft. You bought a swell company (while Nintendo laughs their way to the bank).
Party games not being for older gamers is one of the dumbest things I've read in this arguement. The party games are huge, especially on college campuses. When I go on campus or visit other schools to see friends, speak at a lecture, etc., you never see a Halo-Box. You always see a GCN with at least three multiplayer games (always Smash Bros. and usually Mario Party and Timesplitters 2) and two Wavebirds. That's where the fun is. There are also the single-player games like Metroid, Mario Sunshine, and Eternal Darkness, but that's not the point. If you're going to talk down to the party games, you've obviously never played them with a group of friends. And sorry, but it's impossible to "play out" Smash Bros. unless you're one of those people that is constantly taking games back to the store after you beat them. Either that, or at least one member of your party sucks at it or is really boring.
And yes, you're on a board made for Nintendo fans. I don't think you realize how bad you look spouting off nonsense and then belittling the community with "I should've expected this." You come off as someone that has nothing better to do with their lives than to go onto a board to badmouth it. I don't want to hear the "I own a GCN, (insert snide comment here)" arguement, either.
I love Nintendo, but I also love other systems. I bought a TG-16 everyone was "Sega" and "Nintendo." I still play my Dreamcast and a PS2. As a gamer, I just can't say that the Halo-Box is worthy enough to sit on my entertainment center shelves. Not yet.
Post by: AERO on March 22, 2003, 10:21:27 AM
Post by: Mode 7 on March 22, 2003, 02:53:51 PM
Shucks. I really care about what people think of me, too.
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Post by: yrrab436 on March 23, 2003, 04:34:44 PM
As far as the "debate" goes, people might as well argue about whether apples or oranges are a better fruit.
Post by: Army_F_body on March 23, 2003, 07:45:25 PM
Post by: Mode 7 on March 23, 2003, 10:49:56 PM
I wouldn't be completely surprised if he left it all behind to make yet another company with a bunch of co-conspirators. It seems to be the trend, even for company founders.
Post by: AdvancedGamer on March 24, 2003, 02:15:31 AM
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That's why Nintendo fans hate the X-Box so much?
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Post by: thecubedcanuck on April 02, 2003, 09:37:50 AM
Most have never played an x-box and base their judgement on Microsoft and their uniformed hatred for them.
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 02, 2003, 10:54:06 AM
I've played Xbox a good bit. It's fun, but Gamecube supercedes it easily. There are many games on cube better than Halo, and that's by far the best xbox game I've played. Also, among all the people I've met, internet or otherwise, that have all three systems, they generally prefer gamecube, followed by PS2 and then xbox. Out of about twenty, one liked xbox most, five liked ps2, and the rest liked Gamecube most (except for two or three that had a tie between GC and ps2). Twenty people is a good bit.
I've also played PS2, but I don't know whether I prefer xbox or ps2.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on April 02, 2003, 11:26:11 AM
Once again, if thats your opinion that is fine, but xbox is a good console, as there ae good gmaes in different categories, that different people will like. If its not you fine, but your opinion does not make something bad.
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 03, 2003, 01:57:26 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 03, 2003, 02:17:28 PM
And the XBox isn't just a "Halo"-box. Manunited was proving a point- you could just as easily call the Gamecube a kiddie-cube as you could call the XBox a Halo-box, when neither are very true. Manunited was saying that these little name jabs are stupid and pointless.
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Post by: The Omen on April 04, 2003, 03:39:56 AM
Do I hate XBOX? No, but I find it disgusting how MS tooted their own horn at the launch without anything to back it up. So, if you like the Xbox and think it's the best system, at least back up your position with some facts. I give them points for Live, but I really don't game online. But I am astute enough to realize some people like it, so they get a high mark in that regard. As for the rest of their games/products, to me, it's been 80% hype and 20% games. And the fact that somebody brought up DOA volleyball as a great exclusive sickens me. I've played it. That game sucks...
Post by: Jirachi on April 04, 2003, 09:59:15 AM
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I have previously stated that the only reason xbox fans tell me it's great is because of Halo. They make the Halo-box stereotype. I've played about 10 games , and there are about 5 good games, tops. I'm not talking about any games that are on other systems, only exclusives. And 5 might be generous. My reasoning for not buying the xbox is simple- it's best game, as stated by xbox fans all over the place , is Halo, which i could get for my PC when it releases. Since I already have a high-end PC, why should I spend 200$ plus another $50 for xbox.? It's a question even xbox fan's can't answer.
Do I hate XBOX? No, but I find it disgusting how MS tooted their own horn at the launch without anything to back it up. So, if you like the Xbox and think it's the best system, at least back up your position with some facts. I give them points for Live, but I really don't game online. But I am astute enough to realize some people like it, so they get a high mark in that regard. As for the rest of their games/products, to me, it's been 80% hype and 20% games. And the fact that somebody brought up DOA volleyball as a great exclusive sickens me. I've played it. That game sucks...
Look here, thats really nice if you have played ten games and only liked five, who cares does, that make anyother system better, nope. Also note, halo for PC will not be as good as the xbox version. Also note that no one even knows if the PC game will be any good since it is not being made by bungie. Tooted their horn, you may have not liked the launch games for xbox, but obviously seeing how xbox is selling better than GCN more people like it. Oh, and if you don't like DOAX then thats great. Its a fact that it is a great exclusive game, seeing that it is selling so good, better than a lot of GCN games too. 80% hype, maybe to you, but not to all others.
Someone needs to close this topic. Its full of immature 10 yr old GCN fanboys, who hate on xbox beacuse its doing better than their system.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on April 04, 2003, 10:16:42 AM
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Someone needs to close this topic. Its full of immature 10 yr old GCN fanboys, who hate on xbox beacuse its doing better than their system.
here here, I second that
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 04, 2003, 10:53:44 AM
Actually, I think most people who don't like the XBox are actually providing valid reasons. I'm not saying I agree with them, just that I haven't really seen any "t3H /\/\1[R0$oF7 SUXX0RZ!!1!1!!111!". Remember, just because we're open minded doesn't mean we don't have the right to dislike something. If people have valid reasons for not wanting or liking an XBox, then calling them immature fanboys is kind of hypocritical. I'm pretty impartial (no one can be truly impartial), but I have absolutely no desire to get an XBox. Open mindedness means that you give other things a chance before dismissing them- it doesn't mean you can't not like them after you've given them that chance.
Post by: rpglover on April 04, 2003, 10:59:20 AM
personally the xbox hasnt done anything right except futuristic shooters- they are fun but is that all they do???
the xbox does not have enough games on its system to force me to buy one
i had a gc from day one and i just got a ps2 about 4 months ago when i could trade in my 64 and 10 games for 100 $ off for it
i like the ps2 but really only for the rpgs
but the gamecube is where most of my good games are- all the nintendo exclusives, capcom, and others
basically it all comes down to a matter of preference and i just dont like the selection on the xbox yet
that doesnt mean i will never buy one- i may down the road if they churn out some high quality titles
fable looks good but i have not seen it in action yet, halo 2 could be good but i just dont want a rehash sequal for it
so i guess thats how i feel- not enough good game on the xbox yet to get me to buy one
Post by: Jirachi on April 04, 2003, 11:07:58 AM
There is no need for there to be a 7 page disscussion about this. Some ppl like this, others don't thats all there is to it. Get over it fanboys (its only a few that I call fanboy cause they post stupid things)
Also saying that they haven't don anything right except fps is just stupid. There are hundreds of other xbox games to play other than Halo, just becasue its is the most popular game does mean there aren't other game. Its only naturally for a GCN fan to like their games more than others. Just don't play xbox, but don't tell us our games suck cause we could say the same for you.
Post by: AERO on April 04, 2003, 01:58:33 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 04, 2003, 02:48:48 PM
Like I said, I'm not saying that's TRUE, but it is a valid statement from a certain point of view. Obviosuly you disagree, which is fine. It all really matters on your taste in games.
Post by: Jirachi on April 04, 2003, 03:07:09 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 04, 2003, 03:27:45 PM
Like I said, this is all from one point of view, which mine is rather close to. I'm not saying the XBox sucks or anything, just that it has very few titles I'd like on it. And also, you don't need to prove you're a Gamecube fan, too- I'm not going to think you're a fanboy just because you support the XBox.
BTW, this is my 400th post!
Post by: Jirachi on April 04, 2003, 03:54:33 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 04, 2003, 04:05:05 PM
Post by: Jirachi on April 05, 2003, 04:14:20 AM
My, and many others 3 must haves for xbox are: Halo (of course), Splinter Cell, and Mech Assault.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on April 05, 2003, 04:24:51 AM
Mouse: thank you for clarifying what I was saying, good to know people still read for understanding.
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 05, 2003, 05:58:25 AM
And good point bringing up Splinter Cell- honestly, it slipped my mind.
Still, I could get that for my PS2 or Gamecube, so it's ability to get people to buy an XBox is almost moot. However, if you only own an Xbox, that is a must have title. As for Mechassualt, no one I know who owns an XBox owns Mecahassault, and only one of them has rented it (although he did like it). I know it's a great game- believe me, I'd love for my XBox owning friends to get it so I could go over to their houses and play it, but I think it's only hardcore XBox fans who own Mechassault.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on April 05, 2003, 06:08:50 AM
I find myself playing my PS2 and X-box more and more these days, both systems have a lot of games that I prefer.
I really dont care how these games are percieved, I just enjoy them more than say Wind waker. Wind Waker was brilliantly done, it just isnt for me, I would rather play Halo or Vice city.
I am 32 years old, and only know 2or 3 people who still play games. I dont play games because they are cool, I dont buy things just because they are hip, I play and buy what I enjoy.
I am very very fortunate to have a comfortable lifestyle and to be able to afford all 3 systems, so I am able to get the best of 3 gaming worlds (I hate playing games on a PC so I dont include them), but I notice the exclusive games I most like for CG are the games many other Nintendo users dont like as much, games such as RE, RE0 and Wave Race.
I fail to understand why so many people see the need to rag on another system just because it isnt the one they prefer, it just seems so pointless. People have very differant tastes when it comes to games, and I really dont think anyone is right or wrong when they play something they enjoy.
Post by: Jirachi on April 05, 2003, 06:37:59 AM
Curently I have no GCN games, but really want to. There just isn't anything for me.
Post by: The Omen on April 05, 2003, 06:58:09 AM
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Thats why I support M$, cause they give us the best of the best, and I also support Nintendo cause I want to see them do well. (Of cousre its my dream that M$ would buy them out, and we could have all of nintendo's best games on the xbox2.) (druling). But its unlikely.
Best of the best? Mind telling us what that would include?
Nintendo is doing very well. If they were bought out by M$, I'd expect the rapture to follow soon after.
One company hypes up games, calling them the best ever for their paticular genre. The problem being, they still haven't released any. One company takes a relatively silent approach to games in the pipeline, perfects them. So when they finally release, you're blown away. Now you tell me, who is who?
Post by: Jirachi on April 05, 2003, 07:06:18 AM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on April 05, 2003, 05:41:19 PM
Post by: The Omen on April 05, 2003, 08:24:09 PM
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Thats why I support M$, cause they give us the best of the best,
That doesn't sound like an opinion to me, it sounds like a factual statement. I seriously would like to know what you meant, so if you want to flame ,go ahead. But you still didn't answer the question.
I'll give you the top 3 games for xbox(exclusives)from what i've played
Halo
Mechassault
TAO:Fist
Now you tell me where the best of the best lies. I should not be classified as a fanboy. I 've stated several times in these very forums that xbox has some good games. But I prefer GC because i can't play their exclusives anywhere. XBOX exclusives are for PC also, for the most part. So why don't you be a little more respectful in your answer, if you have one. Or be a little more mature ,for a 15 yr old.
Post by: Jirachi on April 06, 2003, 06:20:34 AM
Oh and Omen, sorry it does sound like a fact, I should have said IMO before it. Also this crap about xbox exclusives on PC, BS, yeah look slinter cell is on PC, so that means all of xbox's good games are on PC. Yes SC is on PC, but then again look who has the best version. Give me a list of xbox games that are on PC. There are some but not a lot. Also note that GCN doesn't have the best 3rd party support, and since Nintendo makes its best games its very unlikely that any of the games would also be on PC.
And plz, tell me how I'm being dis-respectful. I'm sorry I don't agree with you (I used to, back whan I admit I was a GCN fanboy), but my opinion of what the best of the best is different than yours, plz accept that.
Post by: The Omen on April 06, 2003, 09:43:32 AM
And I know GC has the worst 3rd party support out of the 3 systems, although you could debate xbox and gc. But as I stated, I like the exclusives. Alone, they are enough to warrant the purchase of the GC. But I think the 3rd party support, in conjunction with the exclusives, makes a very nice library. The 3rd party support has done nothing but improve, and will only get better.
HALO-PC
SPLINTER CELL-PS2,GC,PC
MORROWIND-PC
MECHASSAULT-?
Post by: Jirachi on April 06, 2003, 11:37:08 AM
There just not for me, but I do hope that MP wins game of the year from most ppl, and not GTAVC. I'm not trying to bash GCN, I'm just trying to tell ppl why I like a system, but some don't what to hear that.
MechAssault is only on xbox.
Also realize that Bungie original was making Halo for PC. When M$ saw that it was such a great game they bought them out. Made it an xbox exclusive. Then about a year later, bungie got another company to make a PC version of the xbox hit halo. The game will have the same story, with decreased graphics, and posibly online play. I would get it for PC if is definatly has online play, but I think that the original will always be better. For slinter Cell it has to be obvious that the best verion is on xbox(plz tell me u see that), it has best graphics and downloadable levels. Then GCN cause of the GBA feature. But just because a game is also on PC doesn't mean that the console version isn't worth the time.
What I don't get is how this topic became so off-topic.
Post by: codyy on April 06, 2003, 02:04:12 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 06, 2003, 02:53:31 PM
As for the systems. . . I've played awesome games on xbox, but I prefer GC (and I think a lot of xbox owners and other people would also like GC a lot if they got over their ignorance and gave it a chance). Plus I think online gaming is boring and kind of dumb. . . so xboxlive doesn't interest me.
Post by: Jirachi on April 06, 2003, 02:59:24 PM
Post by: Jirachi on April 06, 2003, 03:04:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
For one, I think you're wrong about Nintendo. The entire company is very effective and interesting, but focusing on the game designers. . . they do it because they love it, because they're good at it, and because they can do it very, very well. And they aren't just in it for the money. I've seen a picture Shigeru Miyamoto's car, and it's something any middle class American would own. What's Bill Gates got? Several Jaguars, very nice BMWs, limousines, etc.? Nintendo only makes money so they can make more games. And believe me, I'm not being naive. . . there are very few corporations I respect, and Nintendo is one of them. Perhaps the only one.
As for the systems. . . I've played awesome games on xbox, but I prefer GC (and I think a lot of xbox owners and other people would also like GC a lot if they got over their ignorance and gave it a chance). Plus I think online gaming is boring and kind of dumb. . . so xboxlive doesn't interest me.
Awwwww, seems to me like you don't like online cause your system only has one online game. =( And sorry you are being naive. You think that mr. Miyamoto does like money. Yeah there no doubt that he likes making games. If Nintendo were all in it for the games I don't think they would care what place they are in. Seems like your fanboy ways are blinding you. I accept the fact that M$ is in it for the Money, now its your turn.
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 06, 2003, 03:12:59 PM
No, if I liked online games, I'd have gotten an xbox. I have a computer and never play online. Online games are for people that have no real lives, so they pretend to be cool online (I don't have a life, either, but I don't like online games).
Jirachi, it's obvious that he likes money. Everyone likes money. That's a given. I just think that their love of making games supercedes their love of money by far. If not, they'd be some crappy third party (probably would have died out long ago) and would make (good) but rather average, uninnovative games, like most developers do. I'm not an idiot, I just like to pretend I'm one.
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 06, 2003, 03:50:02 PM
You know what disgust me? Hyprocrites- if you can twist a Nintendo fan's words into that of a fanboy, yo go right ahead and do it without hesitation. We don't like online games? Nope, according to you (and of course, you're the best authority on our opinions), it's because there's only one online game for the Gamecube (that I doubt Hostile even owns). Did you ever stop and think for a moment that maybe everybody ISN'T as disillusioned as you are? It's a crazy thought, but maybe if you looked harder you'd see that it's true.
Post by: Jirachi on April 06, 2003, 03:50:27 PM
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
You keep that up and I will find you and cut your throat. Understood? Good, I was kidding.
No, if I liked online games, I'd have gotten an xbox. I have a computer and never play online. Online games are for people that have no real lives, so they pretend to be cool online (I don't have a life, either, but I don't like online games).
Jirachi, it's obvious that he likes money. Everyone likes money. That's a given. I just think that their love of making games supercedes their love of money by far. If not, they'd be some crappy third party (probably would have died out long ago) and would make (good) but rather average, uninnovative games, like most developers do. I'm not an idiot, I just like to pretend I'm one.
Sorry for being so harsh, but I don't like it when ppl make Nintendo look innocent. Them and their no Pkmn promos in Canada, lol.
Post by: Jirachi on April 06, 2003, 03:53:48 PM
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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
"What fanboy, you disgust me."
You know what disgust me? Hyprocrites- if you can twist a Nintendo fan's words into that of a fanboy, yo go right ahead and do it without hesitation. We don't like online games? Nope, according to you (and of course, you're the best authority on our opinions), it's because there's only one online game for the Gamecube (that I doubt Hostile even owns). Did you ever stop and think for a moment that maybe everybody ISN'T as disillusioned as you are? It's a crazy thought, but maybe if you looked harder you'd see that it's true.
I'm sorry, we must be refering to two totally different ppl, I was refering to Codyy's FB statement.
Post by: PIAC on April 06, 2003, 11:47:10 PM
geez jirachi
click your n00bishness down a few notches, just because the Gamecube doesn't have an online plan doesn't mean that if someone doesn't like online they are just saying it for this fact, i personally like online games, yet dont want them on the cube (for fear they will be done sub par)
Post by: Mario on April 07, 2003, 12:09:55 AM
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Someone needs to close this topic. Its full of immature 10 yr old GCN fanboys, who hate on xbox beacuse its doing better than their system.
Well actually last time i checked GC was beating Xbox in worldwide sales...
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Curently I have no GCN games, but really want to. There just isn't anything for me.
Um.... have you been living in a cave for the last year? I am willing to post a list of GC games if you want, ehehe.
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Codyy: What a fanboy, you disapoint me.
Thats the kind of thing people say when they have no arguments to back them up. Codyy owned you, now grow up and accept it like a man.
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"Awwwww, seems to me like you don't like online cause your system only has one online game. =( And sorry you are being naive. You think that mr. Miyamoto does like money. Yeah there no doubt that he likes making games. If Nintendo were all in it for the games I don't think they would care what place they are in. Seems like your fanboy ways are blinding you. I accept the fact that M$ is in it for the Money, now its your turn.
For such a "mature" Xbox fan, you could at least get your grammer correct. Xbox is teh kiddy!
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I do like Gamecube, its shiny. I just love xbox more.
OMG, SO XBOX IS GOOD? THANKS FOR TELLING ME OMG OMG OMG, I THOUGHT IT WAS TEH SUX0RS BUT YOU SAY ITS GOOD SO I LOVE YOU AND XBOX *buys an xbox* WOW! OMG, WAT FUN, O JOY XBOX! XBOX! XBOX! OMG which xbox games should i get now that i got an xbox, omg omg omg *looks at xbox games on shelf* hmm, this looks good *picks up blinx* OH! and these *picks up buffy and wreckless* OMG, xbox is teh r0xx0r of my b0X0Rs!! I dont need a g@ycube anymore coz its g@y, i mean, cmon, if a game is fun, gets high reviews and good sales, it means its g@y and is teh suck liek for little kids.. but xbox rocks coz u sed it did and im gonna tell all my friends that i have teh xbox coz i want them 2 think im teh coolest!! I liek pie too, do you? Why you say? Well, coz its good and microsoft told me it was kool but i leiked pie all along, really i did *everyone with an xbox starts eating pie* And you know something else, cliffs are fun to jump off, dont ya think, well thats wat microsoft told my cousin who told me, and have you seen all the ads for jumping off a cliff, they're awesome *everyone with an xbox jumps off a cliff*
Ahh, good riddance... *throws his new xbox out the window, xbox lands on bill gates and kills him, all is good in the world again, the war ends, it rains food in all the poor countries, there is no need for jails anymore, everything is peaceful*
Post by: Termin8Anakin on April 07, 2003, 03:19:53 AM
Mario and his killer sense of twisted humour!
Post by: codyy on April 07, 2003, 04:15:02 AM
Post by: Jirachi on April 07, 2003, 06:43:57 AM
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Originally posted by: codyy
Jirachi- yeah I know-I even disgust myself sometimes. I think we all have a little fanboyish in us, no matter how much we hate to admit it. Unless your rich, then you probably own every console and game, and don't care. I'don't know how people support 2 consoles when I can't even support 1 console and a gameboy. Oh no, just I went off topic...again...
Don't worry I didn't really mean that. I too was an Nintendo fanboy, back in 2001 I hated the xbox, I thought it was too big and I said it had bad games(even thought I had not even played any). That all changed in 02, when I played Halo for the first time(I was hooked, never before had I played a game sooo amazing). I too sound like a fanboy at times, I'm just trying to get gcn fans to stop hating xbox and start hating PS2. Lol, they are the real enemy.
Post by: Mario on April 08, 2003, 01:58:05 AM
Post by: Jirachi on April 08, 2003, 09:45:21 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario
Yep that's right Jirachi, just ignore my post and pretend it doesn't exist because i owned the sh!t out of you...
Okay then, First last time you check, in order for GCN to be still leading, the last time you check must have been months ago. Casue Currently Xbox is Number 2.
Second, I do want to have a GCN, library, I'm just waiting till F-Zero, and Pokemon GCN come out.
Third how did he own me, you must be stupid, Codyy quickly posted a bunch of GCN games that he liked, How does that prove anything.
Fourth: Who the heck are you to tell me to waste my time editing post, just cause FB's like you can understand ****.
Oh and this
"OMG, SO XBOX IS GOOD? THANKS FOR TELLING ME OMG OMG OMG, I THOUGHT IT WAS TEH SUX0RS BUT YOU SAY ITS GOOD SO I LOVE YOU AND XBOX *buys an xbox* WOW! OMG, WAT FUN, O JOY XBOX! XBOX! XBOX! OMG which xbox games should i get now that i got an xbox, omg omg omg *looks at xbox games on shelf* hmm, this looks good *picks up blinx* OH! and these *picks up buffy and wreckless* OMG, xbox is teh r0xx0r of my b0X0Rs!! I dont need a g@ycube anymore coz its g@y, i mean, cmon, if a game is fun, gets high reviews and good sales, it means its g@y and is teh suck liek for little kids.. but xbox rocks coz u sed it did and im gonna tell all my friends that i have teh xbox coz i want them 2 think im teh coolest!! I liek pie too, do you? Why you say? Well, coz its good and microsoft told me it was kool but i leiked pie all along, really i did *everyone with an xbox starts eating pie* And you know something else, cliffs are fun to jump off, dont ya think, well thats wat microsoft told my cousin who told me, and have you seen all the ads for jumping off a cliff, they're awesome *everyone with an xbox jumps off a cliff*
Ahh, good riddance... *throws his new xbox out the window, xbox lands on bill gates and kills him, all is good in the world again, the war ends, it rains food in all the poor countries, there is no need for jails anymore, everything is peaceful*
"
your such as little pussy. Go suck on Mario's *ick. Acctually suck you your own prick Mario.
Post by: The Omen on April 08, 2003, 10:40:43 AM
Post by: Bloodworth on April 08, 2003, 10:53:09 AM
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Originally posted by: Jirachi
your such as little pussy. Go suck on Mario's *ick. Acctually suck you your own prick Mario.
Goodbye.
We'll see if this thread can return to serious discussion with him out of the way.
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 08, 2003, 11:45:44 AM
Burns: "Are they saying boo?"
Smithers: "I think they're saying boo urns, Mr. Burns."
Burns to crowd: "Are you saying boo or boo urns?"
Crowd: "BOO!"
Moleman: "I was saying boo urns."
Ah, I loved that episode (especially because of The Critic cross over).
Post by: manunited4eva22 on April 08, 2003, 03:57:26 PM
Post by: rpglover on April 08, 2003, 04:02:04 PM
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That episode was hilarious, especially when he sang the oscar meyer weiner song.
i second that motion....with a vengence
yeah the simpsons are great- and that episode was a good one
Post by: Mario on April 08, 2003, 08:15:23 PM
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Originally posted by: Bloodworth
Goodbye.
We'll see if this thread can return to serious discussion with him out of the way.
My work here is done...
And as for Jirachi calling me a fanboy, i'd like to let you know that i have a PS2 and a Gamecube and i enjoy them both very much. If the only thing you can do to prove a point is to call me a little pussy, then i suggest you grow up. Now lets get this topic back on track shall we...
Post by: Termin8Anakin on April 09, 2003, 12:35:20 AM
I think that Matthew Sladescu should beware of Mario's wrath (sorry, it's a personal joke - Matt is a guy I know who stubbornly loves Xbox, and eats any crap that M$ Billy poops out)!
Post by: PointZero on April 09, 2003, 11:53:50 AM
Jet Set Radio Future(dont talk bad about this game until you play it and beat it then we talk)
Panzer Dragoon Orta(anyone that says the game sucks should be slapped repeatedley i mean the music,graphics and gameplay are so well)
Oddworld:Munch's Oddsey(i know what your thinking wats up with the greend dudes but trust me this is a very challenging,fun and funny game try it if you have an xbox)
Project Gotham Racing(Kudos!! they may annoy you but this game is addicting and challenging)
Indiana Jones:emporer's tomb(this game is a really good game that people are just passing the chance to play try the demo it is a really good game)
Gunvalkyrie(once you get passed the annoying control scheme you will fall in love with this game)
MechAssault(the main quest is good and boring at times but the real draw here is the online play i used think why would you play online and i played this game and i just wanted more online goodness)
and other games so guys dont just judge a game by its reviews and sales. And i know GC has lots of them too like Pikmin,Animal Crossing,etc. So i just wanted to point this out to the misinformed since i do have all 3 systems and my xbox is my fav but i know each has potential
Post by: Milotic on April 09, 2003, 12:05:16 PM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on April 09, 2003, 01:00:42 PM
Never was a fan of Oddworld at all, nor PGR.
It all comes down to what you like in the end.
Post by: PointZero on April 10, 2003, 11:02:02 AM
Post by: KatDaddy on April 11, 2003, 12:20:02 PM
After I've read all of these responses, I had to look back up and check the subject again. And now I know the answer. Hear me out.
The root of all evil is "excessive fanboyism". All three consoles have them. I just laugh when I read responses on other console boards, and most recently this post. All I can picture is a bunch of kids jumping around on a playground screaming "mine is better than yours". Freaking hilarious. And sad. It's like people have to "justify" what they have by pointing fingers and saying, "I hate yours because..whah wha wah whaaaahhhhhh wahhhh waaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (In my best Charlie Brown's teacher's voice).
I've been a member of a popular Xbox board for a long time. Since 6 months before the Xbox release. Nothing makes me more sick than to hear "excessive Xbox fanboys" speak out of their arse. Putting down other systems, games, etc. Excessively promoting the Xbox like they are Bill Gates' biatch. It's almost funny. But it's easy to get sucked into thinking like one when an "excessive fanboy" from another console says something like "The only good game for the Xbox is Halo", or "Xbox sucks", or "I won't buy an Xbox because of Bill Gates". That is my personal favorite. Also on the other side, "GC is for kids, wah wahhh wah wahhhhwahhhhhwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
I am an Xbox fanboy. Not excessively though. I don't blindly promote the Xbox to no end. But I do promote its' good points when necessary.
Good things:
- They have a pretty decent library of quality titles.
Proof?
1) Halo....Best....FPS....Ever. Don't knock it until you play it in HDTV with Digital Surround pumping out all around you. Amazing.
2) Apex...great racer, great grapics, great tracks.
3) World Racing...one of the best racers I've ever played. Awesome graphics, very realistic handling, custom soundtracks.
4) Buffy the Vampire Slayer....great hack 'n slash title.
5) Steel Battalion....simply amazing. You have to play to believe. Fabulous replays that are saveable on the HD.
6) Deathrow...awesome "future sport" game. Has a huge cult following.
7) MotoGP....great Xbox Live racer. Nothing like competing with 15 other people, and being able to talk smack with all of them.
8) Mechassault...decent single player experience...great Xbox Live title.
9) DOA Extreme Beach Volleyball.....just kidding....personally, it sucks.
9) Morrowind...very deep RPG. Not turn based (which is ok), but TONS of options, armor, weapons, races, cities, etc.
10) Kung Fu Chaos...with 4 players, this game is great fun and is hilarious. The replays are priceless.
11) NHL2K3...nothing like playing some hockey on Xbox Live.
12) Panzer Dragoon Orta...BEAUTIFUL game. Very challenging. TONS of unlockables, including more missions and the original PD game.
13) Quantum Redshift...Great playing futuristic racer with a crappy storyboard.
14) Shenmue II....the sequel to one of my most favorite games.
15) Tao Feng...finally a fighter that makes you learn the combos to win. Very strategic. Button mashers need to stay away...
And upcoming titles like Brute Force, Halo 2, Doom III, Fable, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Sudeki, Return to Castle Wolfenstein:Tides of War, and others, it looks like the future for the Xbox is bright.
- Great Hardware with a lot of untapped capability.
- Great customer support. There was a period of time where some Xboxes were failing prematurely. To this day, MS is still repairing a lot of defective Xboxes (or replacing) at no charge, no questions asked.
Anyway, that is my PRO list for Xbox.
Cons: They have a strange marketing plan, promise the world sometimes and do not deliver, put out some of the god-awfullest titles (Bruce Lee, anyone?) that should have never seen the light of day, and are like a neverending hype machine. Even Xbox fanboys are beginning to take grains of salt before just believing everything. Also, the Xbox is damn HUGE!!! I didn't really realize how big it was until I put my GC beside it. Holy crap. You could make 3 Gamecubes from the plastic from 1 Xbox.
I just got a Gamecube about a month or so ago. I have some good titles for it. A few, I'd put in the great column. I never really payed much attention to the GC.
And to be honest, I really didn't because of the "kiddy" titles. I wouldn't call them "kiddy" now, but that is the image some people get when they see Mario, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, children's games such as Pooh and Tigger (which my kids love), etc. You see where I'm coming from.
Some people are blinded by ignorance.
Once I got my GC, I went out and got 4 titles: Eternal Darkness, Metroid Prime, Zelda: WW, and Super Monkey Ball.
The next day, I went out and bought: Pikmin, Resident Evil, and found a used copy of Zelda
OT/Master Quest (bought all 3 for $35.00)A week ago, I bought Rogue Leader and the Tigger/Pooh game for my kids.
So what's the verdict?
Freaking Metroid Prime has me hooked. Hooked on a game like I haven't been in a while. I didn't like it at first. But once I beat the Parasite Queen, it's all been sweeeet.
Zelda : WW is simply art in motion. Almost a perfect 10 in my eyes.
And I like the other titles too, just between MP and All Star Baseball 2004 for the Xbox, I haven't had much time to get to them.
Gamecube will always be in my home from now on. And when Nintendo's next console comes out, I'll buy it too.
Ignorance almost kept me from enjoying some great GREAT titles. Not being an "excessive fanboy" with blinders would have made me miss out on the chance to play probably 2 of the best games of the last 5 years (MP and Zelda).
I feel that "Excessive fanboys" from both sides of the console war would really appreciate the other console if they had time to invest in the other console. To call Xbox "crap" and not spend a few days playing Halo, Steel Battalion, Panzer Dragoon Orta, etc. should be a crime for a "hardcore gamer". Same goes for Metroid Prime, Zelda, etc. These are some of the best games of this generation.
In the end, just give me good quality games. I do not care by whom they are made. Whoever makes the best games is who gets my money.
That is why I sold my PS2, but that is another story....
Sorry for the rant....
Post by: Bloodworth on April 11, 2003, 12:38:58 PM
Post by: Matt on April 13, 2003, 03:03:09 PM
May Nintendo fans own both an Xbox and GameCube, and enjoy playing both.
It is the select few, the "fanboys" who are unable to accept and expirence the fun of the Xbox console
Post by: The Omen on April 14, 2003, 01:26:04 PM
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It is the select few, the "fanboys" who are unable to accept and expirence the fun of the Xbox console
Believe it or not, some people just don't like the game selection on XBOX. Whats wrong with that.? Does that make me a 'fanboy'?(can't we think of a new term?) I've played several of the games, and have come away unimpressed. That is a truthful interpretation. There are not enough exclusive 'must have' games to warrant a purchase, IMO.
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 14, 2003, 01:38:14 PM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on April 15, 2003, 03:57:37 AM
The Omen, if you have really played a lot of the titles, then that is fine. If you cannot justify spending that money on it, hey it's your call, we can't tell you, "you haves to buys its!" I personally don't like a lot of the titles for most of the systems and it is easy for me to see how you could not justify the money.
Post by: AERO on April 16, 2003, 05:52:13 AM
Post by: The Omen on April 16, 2003, 07:07:40 AM
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I think it is jelously. They seeming to have such a passion for disliking it, so where is that passion coming from? Everyone wants what they can't have.
Is that to imply I can't afford the XBOX? Give me a break. Some people just don't care for the games, like myself.
And by the way, who on earth would ever be jealous of a video game console?
Post by: manunited4eva22 on April 18, 2003, 05:31:29 AM
Post by: AERO on April 18, 2003, 03:32:12 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 18, 2003, 03:39:56 PM
Oh come on- while I disagree with what AERO said, haven't you ever been a little pissed fof when a 3rd-party puts their big title on the rival console? I know *I* was when the XBox got not only Shenmue II but Jet Set Radio Future, as well. AERO didn't mean jealous of the physical console itself (he's got a girlfriend and I don't!), he meant jealous of the *support* that console's getting as opposed to yours.
"Calm down. Who said I was talking to anyone specifically?"
That's the thing, AERO- you were making a generalization that the reason some people don't get multiple consoles is because of jealousy and wanting what you can't have, which just isn't true. Maybe it applies to certain situations, but you have to make the distinction. I personally don't have an XBox for 2 reasons, the first being it doesn't have enough games that I think look good to warrant a purchase, and second because even if it did, i already own a Gamecube and PS2 and wouldn't be able to afford supporting all 3 consoles. That is NOT jealousy.
Post by: The Omen on April 18, 2003, 08:29:16 PM
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Oh come on- while I disagree with what AERO said, haven't you ever been a little pissed fof when a 3rd-party puts their big title on the rival console? I know *I* was when the XBox got not only Shenmue II but Jet Set Radio Future, as well. AERO didn't mean jealous of the physical console itself (he's got a girlfriend and I don't!), he meant jealous of the *support* that console's getting as opposed to yours
But if I was, I would just buy the Xbox. Thats my point. I dont feel a need to buy it, because i am not jealous of any of its games. I'm happy with what i have, and if i wasn;'t i'd buy the xbox
Post by: AERO on April 19, 2003, 12:46:08 PM
I would think if someone were not jelous they wouldn't be in this topic debating about, it after stating their original case, if even that. I just seem to notice alot of the time in topics on the main board, when theres negative news or something like that about gamecube, someone always seems to mention the xbox and something negative about it, out of the clear blue, for no other apparent reason. I'm wondering why this is.
And I think it is, becuase the gamecube is closer to reaching the sucess of the xbox rather then Playstation 2 which nobody can touch, so they choosing to fight a 'battle' they have a chance of winning.
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 19, 2003, 01:48:22 PM
Post by: The Omen on April 19, 2003, 06:36:55 PM
I have never been 'jealous' over a game console. I've been upset over some 3rd parties dis-regard for the GC, but , as I said in 'the end of the world' thread, I do not see more than 3 games on xbox worth my investment. With Nintendo, you're virtually assured 5 titles a year that you can't get ANYWHERE else. I'm happy for the exclusives I get, not worried about some on XB0X. Most of them are available elswhere anyway, sooner or later.
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 19, 2003, 09:28:03 PM
But there has to be at least ONE XBox exclusive you wish deep down inside was on the Gamecube or PS2. I refuse to believe that you can't find one game you're interested in on the XBox out of it's entire repertoir. Maybe the words jelous and envious are a bit extreme, the feeling has to be there albeit on a very small level. Liek I said, it's not so black and white- I don't, and I know you don't, go out and buy a console just because it has one game we're interested in. But that still doesn't change the fact we're interested in it.
Post by: The Omen on April 19, 2003, 11:20:49 PM
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I refuse to believe that you can't find one game you're interested in on the XBox out of it's entire repertoir. Maybe the words jelous and envious are a bit extreme, the feeling has to be there albeit on a very small level.
Thats true, there are about 3 that i'm interested in. I think like you said, the wording is a bit strong. Interested is a better word. Agreed. One game I am interested in recently is Knights OTOR. But i'll get it for my PC, other than that, Halo, Tao Feng and some racing game...can't remember the name. So, as you see, I do like some of the xbox games....just not enough of them. I personally don't like the Sega games for the xb0x. I barely like them on the GC. Never been a Sonic fan, although Skies OA looks like its a definate buy for me. Why don't they give me a new Afterburner, ? Anyway, i'm rambling...so interested?, yes, jealous?, no.
Post by: Mode 7 on April 19, 2003, 11:30:15 PM
Glad to see that one kid got the boot, but I'm still surprised a lot of the fighting is still on here, considering the supposedly enforced rules of the forums, but I digress...
...spent some more time with the pals' X-Boxes, respectively. Played the games that were worth giving a try, and the only thing that was really interesting to me was Mech Assault. It's pretty good for a "mech game," if that is a genre, but it's still a little on the generic side. I think that has more to do with the genre, than the game itself. The geometry and textures are very nice--especially when you bust buildings down little by little--but the music is throw away and the voiceovers (and "character design") are mediocre. If running around shooting and blowing up stuff, but not doing anything else, is an interest to you, then there you go.
Went back to Halo. Getting tired of Halo. We're all just a little too good at this game, so it makes it very, very intense. Also makes the atmosphere very hot. Still hasn't changed my opinion on the system.
What's my opinion? Glad you decided to join the conversation. My opinion of the X-Box is not that it "sucks," or something, but that the games just aren't there yet. 2.7 games are not enough for me to drop the money it takes to support the green-black boat anchor. I'm a Nintendo supporter, and even they don't get a lot of my money anymore.
With the coming of Wind Waker, my reason for backing Nintendo has been rediscovered. I like substance. The Gamecube is more of an art machine, the PS2 is still a pop machine (pop, as in popular, as in pop-music--not the drink), and the X-Box is excess.
To illustrate my point, I'm going to go off onto a film studio scimilie rant. The Gamecube is like a studio that brings you films (games, for the dense) made by the likes of Speilburg, Zemeckis, P.T. Anderson, Cameron Crow, James Cameron, Kevin Smith, Tarrantino, Wes Anderson, (old) Tim Burton, Fincher, and even Lynch. The films made by these artists don't come out very often, but when they do, they are spectacular and everone in the industry--and its fans and followers--feel it. They also have a broad range, pretty much having a little something for everyone.
The PS2 is a machine that is very much like a pop music radio station. It has a lot of stuff that is very popular, but that doesn't mean it's good. It does have its gems now and then, but after some time, they lose their life only to be either forgotten or remembered down the road in nostalgia. Fewer still will go down as legit classics.
With X-Box, I have to go back to the film scimilie, because I know if I stick with music I will ruffle too many feathers (quite frankly, I think that 95% of new rock music is terrible and I was going to use that genre). X-Box is the studio with people like Michael Bay, Jerry Bruckheimer, "the people that brought you The Fast And Furious," and Verhoven on the payroll (whereas Verhoven represents the part of the studio that I actually like). There are tons of other names, but that escape me right now because they're not worth remembering. They have big stars, they spend a ton of money, they have 50 effects houses working around the clock, and they come out with tons of movies. All kinds of excess, but very limited substance. I can't be a big fan of this studio just because Verhoven churns out Total Recall, Basic Insinct, or Starship Troopers--and that's Halo to me. Verhoven.
Hopefully that makes sense to everyone and this doesn't turn into another kind of pissing contest. You can agree or disagree all you like. To sum it up, Gamecube supports art and what is "alternative" as subjective as those words are, PS2 supports what is popular, and X-Box also tries to support what is popular but fumbles the ball more often than not.
Anyway, it's entirely too late, so I'm getting the hay outta Dodge.
Post by: Zelda on April 20, 2003, 12:42:08 AM
and that is that. Games on both PS2 and GameCube are art. Playstation 2 does not somehow become a non-artistic console because it is popular. Now stop being a fool.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on April 20, 2003, 05:52:10 AM
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With the coming of Wind Waker, my reason for backing Nintendo has been rediscovered. I like substance. The Gamecube is more of an art machine, the PS2 is still a pop machine (pop, as in popular, as in pop-music--not the drink), and the X-Box is excess.
What a statement that is. Just a little biased dont you think?
All 3 are games systems, simple electronics configured in a specific manner so they can play games.
Consoles are not art forms, they are simply a machine that plays art forms (the games).
Your post seems more along the lines of a fanboyish rant than anything based on fact. Instead of presenting some pertitnent information you choose to use a pile of loosly based weak metaphores and simple similarities.
All 3 have good games depending on what your individual preferances are. You compare them to art, where nothing can be defined as being really better than anything else. Art is all about expression and personal taste, and in this regard I feel you may be closest to actually making a worth while comparison, even though you most likely didnt realize it.
In the end people should just play what they like and not be so worried or distraught over what the guy next to them likes.
These are just games after all, and games are meant to be fun, or at least they use to be.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on April 20, 2003, 06:15:05 AM
Post by: Mode 7 on April 20, 2003, 01:59:59 PM
Done.
It's not really a fanboyish rant without anything to back it up. It's an opinion. I own a PS2 and I play an X-Box fairly regularly. If I were a fanboy who was bias, I wouldn't be doing any of the latter.
I didn't stumble into a good comparison. The backwardness of my post came from trying to work the board at a late hour, and to be honest, after having read everything that went down in the last several pages, I really didn't think I'd have to be very scientific in my approach. I do find it a little amusing that on another board that covers a little more in terms of media (such as film and music, ahem), my attempt at illustrating my point with such scimilies was received a little more toward what I intended last night. I.E.: people knew that I wasn't saying that musical taste has something to do with your taste in games, but that it was a scimilie for the market dynamic.
Yes, of course all developers want to make good games, but not many of them are all that experimental, or go against the grain. What I am referring to are games like Metroid Prime, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, and Eternal Darkness (among others). When news of these games got out, gamers split into two factions before even playing the game. Metroid in first person?! First person adventure?! That's crazy talk! Zelda looks stupid! Let's call it Celda! What's Eternal Darkness?! Then they came out, and everyone that mustered the courage to give it a try was blown away.
On the horizon, we have these games from Capcom coming out that are in the same vein. Viewtiful Joe (sp?), P.N.07, and the crazy black and white shaded one about hitmen (I think) are right up my alley, so far. I know little of Giftpia, so I can't really lump that in there yet.
I like Rygar, Mech Assault, among others (just trying to keep lists short), because they're good games, entertaining, and what not. But are they ground-breaking? Do they make me want to put down my controller and walk away for a little while because it's just entirely too good and I want it to soak in? No. When I put down the X-Box controller, it's because Halo has made my palms entirely too sweaty.
Metal Gear Solid 2 was a most excellent game, but where it broke ground was with technical achievements and not in style. Plus I wasn't a big fan of Raiden, but that's not the point. Splinter Cell is also an awesome game, but it is in the same category as MGS2 for me. They don't inspire me to go hit my drawing board or crack open Maya and experiment.
Games like Mark of Kri and Herdy Gerdy were pretty ballsy in design, and fun to play, but they had some hefty shortcomings at the end of the day.
Oh well, I'm hungry, so I'm going to go eat. Go ahead and tear my posts apart or whatever. Happy Easter.
Post by: Mario on April 22, 2003, 07:46:15 PM
Post by: Scorpionldr on April 23, 2003, 04:13:36 AM
Post by: The Omen on April 23, 2003, 09:34:19 AM
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has ANYONE heard of Elderscrolls here??
Yep. And it resides on my PC.
As for the other inane comments, i'll just say that the GC userbase is alot older than people think. I'll let someone else pick apart the rest...
Post by: PIAC on April 25, 2003, 11:03:14 PM
its a forum, its designed for convaying messages and arguments, so yes we can argue with you, the Gamecube has a mixed bag of kids and adult games, which suits me just fine.
Post by: Mistress on April 26, 2003, 06:30:44 AM
The GameCube wins for me because I prefer the type of games..in a lot of ways, many of the games on Nintendo systems, are just much more fun...
Post by: Jedi Master Yoda on April 27, 2003, 12:25:28 PM
Now that you've heard my story, I have to say I don't like Xbox. I don't hate it; it does have it's good points (Halo and Xbox Live, especially when put together), but I don't like it as much or play it as much as my PS2 and GCN (of course, you could say the reason I play so much PS2 is because of all the RPGs). GameCube is my near-perfect console; all it needs is more Square and it needs to loose its kiddy image. My PS2 makes up for all the GameCube's short-commings (lots of Square and I don't get made fun of at school for owning one). And my Xbox... sits there.
Post by: joeamis on April 29, 2003, 10:38:03 AM
As for the People who hate M$, why, don't be mad because a bigger company can produce better hardware, and use its money to bring together the worlds most technologicaly advanced games ever, and you can't. How did M$ take over Nintendo's teritory. Who said it was Nintendo's in the first place. Didn't Nintendo invade Atari, and those other ancient consoles space. As for why I think GCN fans dislike xbox, maybe its because when they both were release their main compition was each other, not PS2. All I have to say is Xbox > GCN > PS2
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LEARN YOUR GAMING HISTORY YOUNG ONE!
Atari had flopped in the marketplace before the Nintendo came out,
Nintendo never "invaded" Atari or any other old consoles
Nintendo saved the gaming industry and carved itself a space in it, I think that's why
people said Microsoft was taking over their territory
Post by: joeamis on April 29, 2003, 11:09:14 AM
although the xbox is outselling the gamecube worldwide....in hardware
more software (games) have sold for the gamecube than for the xbox...
we all know hardware=losing money and software=making money
seems to me M$ is just losing tons of cash HAHAAHAHA
Post by: The Omen on April 29, 2003, 11:28:09 AM
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we all know hardware=losing money and software=making money
seems to me M$ is just losing tons of cash HAHAAHAHA
Problem is, MS doesn't care if they lose money. They just figure the more you spend the more you'll make in the long run. Their whole attitude just annoys me. How about spending some of that cash on my windows XP? Its a big heap of shat....windows 95 was better!
Post by: joeamis on April 29, 2003, 01:02:25 PM
want Microsoft invading the gaming industry and ruining it
I mean theyre already buying out developers, and they could buy out
more and more and continue to make bad games that only fall into
a few different genres...
basically all the xbox games are about killing something to death
they can also monopolize the gaming industry with bad controllers
i dont care what u say even the s controller is pathetic
ive played the xbox and its so so, i thought DOA3 was decent, but not anything better than virtua fighter 4
played dead to rights and it was average
played wreckless sure good graphics but thats about it
played dave mirra 2, surprisingly liked it more than thp3 but still average
one thing thats funny, ps2 is so underpowered yet its racing games are better than xbox
one thing i don't understand... if xbox hardware is so much more powerful
than gamecubes than why do the games only look marginally better?
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 29, 2003, 01:33:03 PM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on April 29, 2003, 02:27:23 PM
Post by: The Omen on April 30, 2003, 07:29:25 AM
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Bah, I don't even want to think about Microsoft buying out game studios, the thought is too scary. They are so large they can effectively run a monopoly and no one can do anything about it, just scary.
Thats what their history suggests will happen, though. Thats why a lot of people are concerned, myself included. I for one, do not want to be a part of it...
Post by: KatDaddy on May 01, 2003, 11:20:28 AM
BTW...for the racing fan, have you played World Racing or PGR?? Just curious...
Post by: ThePerm on May 01, 2003, 11:29:17 AM
its like applejacks...we just do.
actually i wanna get an xbox and fable.
Post by: joeamis on May 01, 2003, 12:54:48 PM
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Originally posted by: KatDaddy
Joeamis...you really picked the cream of the crap ala Xbox titles to choose to play...Next time you get a chance to play, let me know and I'll let you in on the real deal.
BTW...for the racing fan, have you played World Racing or PGR?? Just curious...
I didn't "pick" those games, those are the games my friend owns for his xbox...
he also owns halo but never wants to play it so...
and last summer everyone ever born was ranting about dead or alive being an xbox must have...so I guess xbox must haves aren't good games in your opinion either haha
and DOA was touted as the best looking xbox game made, and the gameplay was supposed to be equal to vf4 and t4
um I haven't played either of those racing games, but I've read mediocre reviews for both of them,
why would I trade off Gran Turismo 3 for those games lol? plus Need for Speed on ps2 is better than the xbox version and WR and PGR as well... and Midnight Club 2 is also better than those games, Xbox will merely equal that with their version of MC2...
Post by: KatDaddy on May 02, 2003, 04:33:06 AM
However, there is better on the Xbox than that. It's the other titles that are craptacular that you mentioned.
Joeamis, Need for Speed on PS2 is better than PGR and WR? You are smoking serious crack. That statement is laughable. If you're so knowledgeable about PGR and WR, what are their drawbacks in your opinion? Just curious of your "hands-on" opinion.
Post by: codyy on May 05, 2003, 11:11:48 AM
www.discomedia.com
Highly entertaining Super Console Wars movies. Why can't we all just, get along?
Post by: AERO on May 05, 2003, 02:55:07 PM
Some of those features are being released with a kareoke style game from ms studios that gives you ALOT more functionality with your xbox dash. If you havent heard about it yet, pick up the june issue of oxm, becuase the story was broken their first. Although I'm sure its being covered on the net now to. I'm glad I'll finally be able to send mp3s strait from my pc hardrive to my xbox's. I'm buying it just for that, even though I have absolutely no interest in a kareoke game.
Post by: The Omen on May 06, 2003, 05:05:31 AM
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Online gaming, support of new console features such as customized game music, lan gaming, voice recognition technology, ms power point esque technology, hardrives, to name a few.
Sega started online gaming, and LAN has been available for years. The music and the hard drive i'll give ya. Although you could always have that on your PC. Lets stop making M$ out to be some massive innovators. They're doing fine, but they didn't 'invent' anything. They do what they always do-rip existing ideas from other companys and make them their own.
Post by: The Doc on May 06, 2003, 06:27:10 AM
The Doc
Post by: penfold on May 06, 2003, 09:35:24 AM
My suggestion is always to get all of the major systems, but that is a utopian dream for many, especially for those who cannot afford to get more than a few games for a system as it is in today's economy.
The GameCube may be a"kiddy" system for some, but it has some excellent games, such as Zelda, Mario Sunshine, and Metroid Prime. However, you may have some gripes with Microsoft and those are legit, for you. Afterall, what if you had major setbacks with Windows XP? Your experiences would definitely make purchasing a XBOX a lose situation for you. That is your right not to buy an XBOX. Its your money and your decision.
Post by: AERO on May 06, 2003, 11:57:36 AM
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Sega started online gaming, and LAN has been available for years.
By online gaming with consoles, sega had it, but not on the level that xbox has done online gaming. Lan gaming, as in multi console hook-up. What other sytem has done that becuase if it does exist, where?
Post by: Exclusive on May 06, 2003, 12:05:57 PM
1) Brute Force
2) Dead or Alive
3) Dead to Rights
4) Fuzion Frenzy
5) Kung Fu Chaos
6) Halo
7) Inside Pitch
8) NFL Fever 2003
9) Mech Assault
10) NBA Inside Drive
11) Project Gotham Racing
12) The Elders Scrolls 3: Morrowind
Not to mention Halo 2, Fable, and Project Gotham 2
Sorry
Maybe not
www.xbox.com
www.bungie.net
www.bungie.org
Post by: RickPowers on May 06, 2003, 12:07:36 PM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on May 06, 2003, 12:11:32 PM
Post by: Exclusive on May 07, 2003, 10:05:49 AM
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Post by: The Omen on May 07, 2003, 11:33:32 AM
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By online gaming with consoles, sega had it, but not on the level that xbox has done online gaming. Lan gaming, as in multi console hook-up. What other sytem has done that becuase if it does exist, where?
Some would tell you they prefer the Dreamcast for online play. I know a copuple of my friends still play it. As for LAN, its been available since the original Playstation..and maybe earlier. Now, it probably hasn't been utilized much, but again, it has been readily available.
What you said goes directly to my point-M$ doesn't invent anything, they took those ideas that were already there, and maybe made them better. But they are in no way innovative.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on May 07, 2003, 01:24:57 PM
Post by: Exclusive on May 07, 2003, 06:27:57 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 08, 2003, 04:13:34 AM
Why hate the XBox? Well, the box itself is not evil, as guns are not evil
. Nonetheless, Microsoft is evil. Just look at software patenting, etc for the proof. Sony (RIAA member) backed the DMCA, which is just as evil. Nintendo hasn't engaged much in US-politics so far.The XBox fails my main expectation: To deliver an experience radically different from the PC.
Post by: The Omen on May 08, 2003, 05:06:18 AM
Post by: manunited4eva22 on May 08, 2003, 12:00:33 PM
Post by: rodtod on May 08, 2003, 07:07:32 PM
My answer is this: Xbox has become a thorn in Nintendo's side. It is the kind of success story Nintendo has hoped to achieve for decades, and one that ends up working not for the Big N, but for a newbie. Microsoft is the biggest software corporation in the world, and has more money to burn on the North American market than Nintendo and SCEA combined. This is a worst-case scenario for Nintendo, because they cannot compete with Microsoft. Nintendo has developed a reputation of being family-friendly and very respectable. Nintendo has ended up with the most difficult-to-please userbase: kids. Microsoft has access to the hip, the trendy, and the informed. Together, Microsoft and Sony has all but devoured the 18+ market, leaving Nintendo with a demographic whose parents are still having suspicions about the affect videogames have on their children.
The Big N is suffering because of Microsoft's success. That is why so many Nintendo fans are getting upset. They want to see Nintendo regain its former glory, but meanwhile they have this big competitor with deep pockets threatening to oust the house that Mario built.
Post by: oohhboy on May 09, 2003, 05:27:23 AM
Post by: The Omen on May 09, 2003, 06:59:46 AM
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My answer is this: Xbox has become a thorn in Nintendo's side. It is the kind of success story Nintendo has hoped to achieve for decades, and one that ends up working not for the Big N, but for a newbie. Microsoft is the biggest software corporation in the world, and has more money to burn on the North American market than Nintendo and SCEA combined.
a thorn in Nintendos side? Nintendo makes much more money than either Sony or M$ when it comes to gaming. I think its more a thorn in Nintendo fans side, because they see hyped up crapola sell 500,000 copies, and wonder 'what are these people thinking?' It is VERY annoying when a game like DOA:XB sells well, and IGNXBOX gives it a 9.2. The game sucks. i agree with OHHHBOY, these XBOX fans buy crap games, and try to pass them off as gems for their console. I dont think all XBOX fans are stupid, but the fanboys who say thier system is great, sound even more ridiculous when they're talking about the XBOX. There is just not enough games, exclusive, that are worth buying the system for. That cannot be disputed. Some people who own more than 1 console, i can understand buying it, although it makes much more sense to own PS2 and GC. If you own all 3, thats cool , too. In closing this anger ridden rant, i would like to say this-the GC is doing very well , and Nintendo is making great games, along with boatloads of cash, which is more than I can say about the competitors.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 09, 2003, 08:07:47 AM
oohhboy: Why? "Hip" and "trendy" is (in my oppinion) some form of insult, meaning you buy things for their "coolness", not their true value. But I have to agree, informed does not match. An informed person would know that the GC is not a kiddy-console, that the XBox has the lowest good-game count of all three consoles and that gameplay and optics have nothing in common.
Post by: AERO on May 09, 2003, 06:40:02 PM
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Now, it probably hasn't been utilized much
Well thats the key there.
I don't agree with the word "stole" for some of those things. You can use "stole" or even "rip-off" when something is taken and done poorly. But ms took some of those ideas and did them better. So its more of an omage.
As for xbox users being mainstreem gamers. Up until I started hearing things from gc fans, I'd never heard the notion that xbox wasn't the system for most hardcore gamers. It would appeal to more hardcore fans becuase of its functionality in so many aspects. Capturing many border line pc fans. It has started appealing to many mainstreem gamers over the past year, but that is a good thing. But they certainly do not dominate the majority. I see alot of topics over at txb with set-up posts. Which basically consist of big screen tvs, hundreds of games, and 10 or so consoles, dolby 5.1 surround sound, etc. I don't think mainstreem gamers generally have all that.
But I must say I don't understand the notion that mainstreem gamers are a bad thing anyway. Xbox gamers are some how plagued by this in debates, yet nintendo fans all seem to agree that they need more mainstreem gamers. I don't understand that at all.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on May 10, 2003, 02:43:04 AM
What was the point of the ht setups post? Guess what? I have 6.1 and a 60 inch HDTV too. Does that mean that I am somehow less 'hardcore' because I have a gamecube hooked up to it? In all reality each console has the niche where there are 'hardcore' gamers in there. And as for xbox being all that hardcore, not really, as the guys who just like games are the ones who own all consoles. So even if they are 'hardcore xbox fans' does not mean that they are really hardcore gamers, it ends up closer to hardcore fanboys (and just so I am not flamed that does apply to all consoles)
Post by: oohhboy on May 10, 2003, 04:23:04 AM
Post by: The Omen on May 10, 2003, 08:13:15 AM
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I don't agree with the word "stole" for some of those things. You can use "stole" or even "rip-off" when something is taken and done poorly. But ms took some of those ideas and did them better. So its more of an omage.
Its still unclear at this stage if they are indeed doing anything better. Maybe some Dreamcast owners would like to chime in here, as i didn't own it.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 10, 2003, 09:45:19 PM
Don't look at internet forums for getting an idea of the average. Most casual people don't visit forums.
Post by: oohhboy on May 11, 2003, 12:21:55 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 11, 2003, 04:26:30 AM
Post by: AERO on May 11, 2003, 10:21:16 AM
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ooppss my bad, not enough sleep, I ment to say that the Hip and trendy are the average xbox owners who put Britney Spears into the charts.
That statement is as trite as the nintendo is for kids thing.
BTW I've got nothing against brittany.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on May 11, 2003, 01:28:01 PM
Post by: Anticommi on May 15, 2003, 10:47:12 AM
You can't prove what you are saying one way or the other. Don't make a fool out of us all.
Post by: codyy on May 15, 2003, 11:43:00 AM
Xbox - -02 points
PST - - 8 points
Worldwide 1.3 million units more than Xbox(worldwide)
3 of the 4 best sellers belong to Nintendo from Janurary to March 2003.
Windwaker - over 1 million copies sold
Pokemon - 1.7 million
GBA SP: 950,000
There, that blos this discussion out of the water. Notice the 1.3 million more Gamecubes sold than Xbox Ratio. Case closed. Rick, please, lock this out.
Post by: oohhboy on May 15, 2003, 06:21:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Anticommi
oohhboy.... you have very confusing intellect. It really makes no sense whatsoever. And you do not have any basis for your arguement.
You can't prove what you are saying one way or the other. Don't make a fool out of us all.
What? Explain?
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Gamecube + 10 Share points
Xbox - -02 points
PST - - 8 points
Worldwide 1.3 million units more than Xbox(worldwide)
3 of the 4 best sellers belong to Nintendo from Janurary to March 2003.
Windwaker - over 1 million copies sold
Pokemon - 1.7 million
GBA SP: 950,000
There, that blos this discussion out of the water. Notice the 1.3 million more Gamecubes sold than Xbox Ratio. Case closed. Rick, please, lock this out.
If he wanted to do that we would have locked it at post No. 5 instead of replying to it.
Post by: AERO on May 16, 2003, 04:10:13 AM
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Well that may not be that wrong in some sort of way. I mean lets see Dead or Alive: Xtreme Beach Volleyball= bouncing titties on tv with pointless gameplay. Britney Spears=bouncing titties with pointless music. ;-)
Exactly what I was saying in another topic. People would like to believe that a game with good graphics couldn't possibly have good gameplay could it???
That would correlate to my theory on people waiting to here a review that they want to here.
Post by: Mario on May 17, 2003, 05:48:47 PM
Post by: GDK on May 19, 2003, 11:09:37 AM
Good grief, what a bloated statement. I personally think that Xbox has done some good for the industry, namely introducing home LAN console gaming, but then again, I'm "ignorant."
yeah, sure buddy
Post by: The Omen on May 19, 2003, 12:52:25 PM
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Good grief, what a bloated statement. I personally think that Xbox has done some good for the industry, namely introducing home LAN console gaming, but then again, I'm "ignorant."
You are, in fact, being ignorant. What you fail to realize is LAN gaming has been available for years prior to M$ incorporating it. Thay've done nothing except churn out hype since before the release of XBOX. I mean, how long have we been hearing about Fable being the best RPG ever? 2 years now? It gets old real quick. And i'm tired of going to a local Gamestop and hearing ' DOA:xb looks phat, yo! damn!'
Graphic mongers, all of ya! Rant-over..
Post by: manunited4eva22 on May 19, 2003, 12:56:53 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on May 19, 2003, 07:54:38 PM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on May 20, 2003, 07:10:46 AM
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Xbox is bad for the gaming industry, period! Anyone who disagrees with that is ignorant.
LMAO, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
There is nothing wrong with the X-box, the only reason everyone here hates it is because it has created yet another hurdle for Nintendo.
Simply bitterness if you ask me.
Post by: AERO on May 20, 2003, 07:38:14 AM
If xbox has done nothing to forward the console industry then don't use that argument in denfense of the gamecube. Anyone see where that sentence is going....?
Furthermore can we get rid of this notion that becuase microsoft is some kind of evil demon that nintendo is some kind of angel. Same line of thinking as the people jerk it to a center-fold of the next nintendo console.
Post by: The Omen on May 20, 2003, 07:41:35 AM
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LMAO, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
There is nothing wrong with the X-box, the only reason everyone here hates it is because it has created yet another hurdle for Nintendo.
Simply bitterness if you ask me.
My problem is the continued hype...and it is annoying to hear, and it puts me off even further when calling their games the best ever, yet they aren't even released. Thats about my only problem, besides lack of exclusive AAA games . I have no reason to buy XBOX right now, and am perfectly content with GC games. And PC.
Post by: oohhboy on May 20, 2003, 08:17:29 AM
Post by: AERO on May 20, 2003, 11:07:19 AM
Anyway, without reading to much into the commericials as you seem to with the whole legality thing... Games are better on xbox. Meaning the games that you can compare easily. Meaning 3rd party games. If games are built on ps2 technology then moved to the xbox and it looks better on the xbox then thats gotta be something good. The sound is better. Sometimes extra features may be added. Gameplay would pretty much go hand and hand between a port of a game unless the controls got mangled or something. Or if they were mangled right from the start. I can't really speak for the gamecube on this subject becuase to my knowledge, no game has been released that was made for the gc then came out on the xbox. However I can think of a few that came from xbox, then to the gc such as Wreckless or Splinter Cell. Dead to Rights could be another but that was largely based off Max Payne, which came from the PC. But the graphics and sound quality from wreckless and Splinter Cell werent as good when they went over to gc. *Waits to here flames about such and such gameplay wasn't as good as such and such gamecube titles so it doesn't matter.
So I'll spare you the time or telling me that and move to the inevadable. Graphics do matter. No as much as gameplay, but graphics matter. If nobody cared then we wouldn't have evolved past tetris.
Post by: Bloodworth on May 20, 2003, 11:15:52 AM
