Post by: Mario on October 31, 2005, 02:16:01 AM
- The USB Wi-fi adapter will also be compatible with Revolution.
- Revolution will launch worlwide within 14 weeks maximum, that means on the same quarter in every region.
- Multiplayer mode in Revolution will be similar to the NDS: multiple players with only one copy of the game.
- You'll be able to download retro games from different regions (for instance, an European user could download Super Mario RPG for the SNES from the US server).
- When played on Revolution, N64 games will have better framerate but there won't be significant graphical improvements.
- No Revolution games will be shown in 2005.
- There won't be any significant differences in the graphics of Revolution compared to the other systems
Post by: Dasmos on October 31, 2005, 02:20:48 AM
Although I am pretty bummed about the no games shown in 2005....but that doesn't mean that they won't be announced I guess.
Post by: Nile Boogie on October 31, 2005, 02:52:44 AM
Post by: mantidor on October 31, 2005, 02:56:56 AM
Majora's Mask without the low framerate of some parts, OMG! I cant wait! I just wish Nintendo will consider to give you away for free the game if you already own it, or at least a discount or bonus of some sort.
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more bits for you:
In Europe it will be installed 25000 conection points for online gaming, in adittion to a possible deal with some companies similar to mack donald's over there in the states.
The USB wi-fi, as oppose to USA, will be available in stores instead of online in Europe, the price is steep though, 40 euros.
The fishing demo mentioned in the hands on impression used no buttons whatsover O_o I didnt know that, and just shows the controller is extremely precise, if you moved the hand too fast you'll lose the fish.
They want 80% of DS owners to go at least one time into online gaming. I found this clarifying, because then their number is bit more realistic for me.
The dont want to just show images because the whole product is whats important and no game is ready to be presented in playable form, and with the new remote is totally necesary to present the whole package, not just screenshots.
As an example of third party support, Merrick cited when the sims 2 were introduced in Europe and Wright commented that the DS was the better version in all consoles because of the touch screen, they want the same with Rev, for third party games to use traditional controls but also see if they can enhance gameplay with the new posiblities.
Post by: Nephilim on October 31, 2005, 03:45:20 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 31, 2005, 04:06:30 AM
1)Playing online multiplayer games just became incredibly easy...but my question is, is that 1 game for LAN Revolution play or Online Revolution play. LAN makes sense, but Online doesn't.
2)Better Frame Rates for N64 games makes perfect sense, and its a great compromise for improving the games without spending money to update the actual game and make it cost more. Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Torok, Zelda, Mario, everything will be better with this. (Now I wish they could make the Mario 64 the new one for the DS though.)
3)Similar graphics. I still think the system will be underpowered, but not rendering the high defination graphics will really help Nintendo here. We will see Nintendo playing conservatively, and giving games what they want for cheaper.
4)Retro Game Downloads: Interesting. Each region has its own server. This is great to keep things straight and know what language and game you are downloading. It also means that you can choose to download the best version of a game if improvements were made to one over another.
5)I completely understand not showing any games before 2006. But hopefully that means we will still get some new information somewhere. Showing games before they are ready, just prepares the media for what to expect and really hinders being blown away later...however, showing a game later when it is properly ready to be experienced can cause the media to see the full product and realization of the designers. You do this with 2-3 top games and you create a frenzy for the Revolution.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 31, 2005, 04:55:09 AM
It's disappointing that we won't see any games this year, but whatever, I'll live...Hopefully Ninty still reveals more on the remaining secrets of the system...
Post by: Mario on October 31, 2005, 05:04:51 AM
Post by: Nile Boogie on October 31, 2005, 05:51:25 AM
Post by: Mario on October 31, 2005, 06:01:15 AM
Post by: mantidor on October 31, 2005, 06:04:43 AM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on October 31, 2005, 06:49:26 AM
Great news all around. The thing that got me most excited was the entire Online deal. It seems like they are taking the time to think of the best possible way to incoorperate it in it's entirety and not just provide online to games. Also, single disk LAN games is by far the best thing I've ever heard, not to mention it being completely wireless. For the DS and even the GBA, this feature provided mass amounts of fun. I'm glad that same kind of fun can now be carried over to the REV with ease.
LAN gaming use to be the biggest bitch in the world. Now, all you need to play is two revs, two tv's, and the game. It's especially easy, provided the size of the REV is incredibly small.
I must say, I applaud Nintendo. They seem to be doing everything right.
Post by: ThePerm on October 31, 2005, 07:14:48 AM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on October 31, 2005, 07:46:02 AM
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Do you remember how you came up with Super Mario Bros.?
It started with a simple idea. I thought: "I wonder what it would be like to have a character that bounces around. And the background should be a clear, blue sky." I took that idea to a programmer, and we started working on it.
Mario ended up being too big, so we shrank him. Then we thought, "What if he can grow and shrink? How would he do that? It would have to be a magic mushroom! Where would a mushroom grow? In a forest." We thought of giving Mario a girlfriend, and then we started talking about Alice in Wonderland.
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Post by: ThePerm on October 31, 2005, 08:16:30 AM
"But I always wanted to have a custom-sized screen that wasn't the typical four-cornered cathode-ray-tube TV. I've always thought that games would eventually break free of the confines of a TV screen to fill an entire room. But I would rather not say anything more about that. "
when gamecube was called dolphin he was talking about gyros and how he just got a dog!!!
Post by: KDR_11k on October 31, 2005, 08:32:02 AM
Offering demos online that may even have a limited multiplayer mode would work, of course but that's something entirely different from single-original online play. Not offering demos online would be idiotic. Or Nintendoesque
Post by: KnowsNothing on October 31, 2005, 08:42:18 AM
This is pretty kickin' news, especially about the single-disc mulitplayer. Better framterates on N64 games means I can finally play Perfect Dark without throwing up!
Post by: ThePerm on October 31, 2005, 08:43:54 AM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on October 31, 2005, 08:44:56 AM
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i've been reading the full interview and it's pretty interesting, some facts that wasnt mentionated:
- the dongle will be sold at stores on europe, no online crap
on revolution wifi:
- there is alot of features on the board that still being discussed, some of them are: temprary game rentals before purchase, demo downloads, trailers
- DS compatible with Revolution
on revolution games:
- third partys already have fully funtional devkits very oriented to the final product and TGS-alike controllers
- let's say a football game like FIFA who is on PS3 and Xbox360 aswell, when ported to revolution they want to include newoptions like calculate the angle on free kicks tilting the controller, make driftings with quick controller movements, pointing to the screen when shooting penalty kicks, etc.
That's from Gaming-Age forums, by a forum goer so you don't have to believe it if you don't want to. Also, sopposedly babelfish does a good job with spanish.
EDIT: Forgot to add my opinion. It's nice to hear that 3rd parties have devkits even if they aren't the final devkits. Also, having controllers akin to the TGS controller is a major plus.
The best news up there would definitely have to be the DS compatibility with the REV. It was mentioned here and there but now it is official. I can't wait to see what is done with the connection and how it's implemented. It would be great if it was like the GC-GBA connection. However, it would be awesome if it allowed the DS to talk with the REV without a game specifically made for that type of function. Of course, I'm talking about being able to access the REV's memory, or should I just say games, and take them on the go.
A feature like that is a MAJOR incentive for any DS owner to buy a REV and vice-versa. I hope Nintendo doesn't pass this opportunity by.
Post by: KnowsNothing on October 31, 2005, 08:53:04 AM
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if perfect dark is allowed....
Oh yeah =(
IT BETTER BE
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 31, 2005, 08:55:53 AM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on October 31, 2005, 09:14:06 AM
Post by: pudu on October 31, 2005, 09:19:20 AM
Hey as long as the games run nice and smooth there's nothing to complain about. I bet the small graphical improvements are probably:
-all games run at standard 640x480 resolutions and possible 480p
-some sort of automatic anti aliasing
-perhaps some sort of texture filtering? (would be a plus but not neccissary)
Revolution will launch worlwide within 14 weeks maximum, that means on the same quarter in every region.
This is great news. Worldwide launch within 3.5 months! How do the regions go? Japan > USA > Europe > Australia or something? I'm excited about getting the console about a month after it launches in Japan.
There won't be any significant differences in the graphics of Revolution compared to the other systems
I hope he is correct in saying this... This will keep me from worrying too much for now but seeing games next year will hopefuly finally put my doubts to rest. If the difference is like PS2's visuals compared to the other consoles I can live with that.
Post by: thepoga on October 31, 2005, 11:08:59 AM
here's a link to 1up's summation of the interview.
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on October 31, 2005, 11:09:04 AM
I expect we should all be marking our calendars off for GDC. If they don't show anything there, I'd be really disappointed. It would be the perfect forum too, to show the more reluctant devs what could be done with the controller in a more meaningful way.
Post by: pudu on October 31, 2005, 11:54:14 AM
I thought about this more. The important aspect not being addressed here is the power of each console overall and not just graphics wise. I really doubt that the Revolution will look vastly inferior to the other consoles but what does concern me is that the Revolution may be lacking in the CPU power department. Graphics may not be the problem, but rather physics, AI, etc. that can be CPU intensive. I mean really, how many of you see the Revolution having multiple cores or an even clock speed of both PS3 or 360? Seeing as you can now truely control things in 3D space I really don't want the physics to be limited due to a weaker CPU. The thought of this really has me wanting a PPU in there (even if it is just wishful thinking).
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 31, 2005, 12:00:51 PM
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Originally posted by: Don'tHate742
Well Nintendo published the game, so ya, they can do whatever they want with it. Even sell it again as a VC game.
Rare published the game. We've been over that so many times I can't even count them all. It was one of the few Rare games that Rare published instead of Nintendo. It was even a subject in one of Jonathan's Mailbags.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 31, 2005, 12:10:02 PM
Think about it.
Perhaps: Summer (June-August) then September-December for world wide release.
It doesn't have to be in the same quarter...just within 14 weeks.
Ok. So I really need to get off this believing in a summer launch...but I just can't help it. I want have the Revolution as soon as possible.
Post by: ShyGuy on October 31, 2005, 01:50:34 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on October 31, 2005, 03:31:47 PM
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Originally posted by: Don'tHate742
Well Nintendo published the game, so ya, they can do whatever they want with it. Even sell it again as a VC game.
Rare published the game. We've been over that so many times I can't even count them all. It was one of the few Rare games that Rare published instead of Nintendo. It was even a subject in one of Jonathan's Mailbags.
Oh well. I'd rather have GoldenEye, PilotWings, and Battletoads anyday. Take one of those away and I might be pissed.
Post by: Mario on October 31, 2005, 03:53:26 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
So if no game info before 06, is Nintendo going to release info to counteract the 360 release? and if so, what?
I doubt it, it might be best to wait for all the blind hype to settle down after all.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on October 31, 2005, 04:02:33 PM
Post by: ThePerm on October 31, 2005, 04:12:52 PM
Post by: stevey on October 31, 2005, 04:41:34 PM
I hope that mean nintendo will let me download to downloaded (nes, Snes, maybe N64) games on the ds.
Post by: zakkiel on October 31, 2005, 06:30:23 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on November 01, 2005, 05:13:38 AM
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Originally posted by: Don'tHate742
Well Nintendo published the game, so ya, they can do whatever they want with it. Even sell it again as a VC game.
Rare published the game. We've been over that so many times I can't even count them all. It was one of the few Rare games that Rare published instead of Nintendo. It was even a subject in one of Jonathan's Mailbags.
Oh well. I'd rather have GoldenEye, PilotWings, and Battletoads anyday. Take one of those away and I might be pissed.
Actually, you can probably take all of those except PilotWings away.
Battletoads is owned by Rare and was published by Tradewest, Nintendo has nothing to do with it. The James Bond liscence is controlled by EA and the game was developed by Rare, so I wouldn't expect Goldeneye on the Revolution either unless Nintendo does some major wheeling and dealing.
On the subject of who owns what between Rare and Nintendo, they basically came to the agreement that Nintendo would take all the DK stuff, and Rare would get everything else. Therefore Microsoft owns Perfect Dark, Killer Instinct, and pretty much everything else Rare ever invented except for DKC, DK64 and StarFox. Maybe Nintendo could fight them on ownership of some Nintendo-published titles like Killer Instinct, but I imagine everything was settled very carefully when the original sale took place.
But speaking optimistically, Microsoft might not argue with rereleasing some older titles like Battletoads or R.C. Pro Am on the Rev. Games like that really aren't likely to cut into Xbox 360 sales. Perfect Dark and Goldeneye are another story.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on November 01, 2005, 09:20:35 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 01, 2005, 09:42:21 AM
Rare isn't an object considering Ninty published the game...They only need to worry about EA...
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 02, 2005, 04:29:07 AM
1)Perfect Dark: Microsoft is in this for Money. Which is why they allow Rare to continue to make GBA games. They are also understand that people that loved the original Perfect Dark game could buy an Xbox 360 just to play the sequel. Why not allow Nintendo to advertise an exclusive software for Xbox 360, by having the original playable on the Revolution?
2)Goldeneye is a game that made EA's James Bond franchise worth something. IF EA doesn't freely give Nintendo the right to sell it on Revolution then they are stupid. However, stupidity exists, so Nintendo could make a deal with EA and have it as a promotional download for another EA game, or just buy spend the money to buy the rights from them.
Post by: Mario on November 02, 2005, 04:32:07 AM
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The classic controller is important for us for our virtual console games. When I'm playing my favourite game - the N64 version of Goldeneye - it's built for that kind of controller.
http://gc.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=5745
Post by: couchmonkey on November 02, 2005, 04:52:43 AM
Mario: I googled Merrick and Goldeneye and found some hints that they might put Goldeneye on the system, but nothing concrete. Did he ever say anything more than the system is perfect for a game like Goldeneye?
As for Perfect Dark, I like the idea of the game acting as an "ad" for Xbox 360, but I still think it would probably benefit Nintendo way more than Microsoft. There's a very good chance that PD0 will not be as good as Perfect Dark, in which case Microsoft probably doesn't want people having a cheap, superior alternative on a system with better controls. If PD0 can live up to the original in spite of the fact that some key team members left Rare and the game's been in development forever, then a promotion with the Revolution might be a good idea. I think a more likely outcome would be for MS to rerelease the game on Xbox360 through Arcade Live - or maybe even on both consoles! That would be sweet!
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 02, 2005, 01:40:07 PM
I am curious about this better frame rate...will it be programmed to cap all Nintendo 64 games at 60 frames per second...or will some games (like F-Zero) which are already 60 frames become even faster?
This post gives you exciting news, but then makes you really wish you knew more.
So many Nintendo 64 games were great except for the frame rate...or great and the frame rate increase would only make it even better.
Post by: Kairon on November 02, 2005, 01:46:39 PM
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Post by: KDR_11k on November 03, 2005, 04:06:00 AM
You mean like playing them on the PC? Nah, the level design isn't fixed.
