Post by: wandering on October 25, 2005, 06:18:17 AM
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“As of early October this year, we had agreed with all key partners that a global ship date of June 2006 was achievable,” said one of SPOnG 's several sources associated with the Revolution manufacturing process. “Nintendo will get the launch in Japan and America and Europe as close as possible. It will be like the Xbox 360 launch, only tighter.”
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A mid-2006 release had been hinted at as early as May this year, when memory supplier MoSys inadvertantly revealed the launch window of the Nintendo's next generation system. However, this is the first time other sources have corroborated the faux pas.
So.....did spong really talk to several highly-placed and realiable insiders to get the real scoop on when the REV is launching? Or....did they take the MoSys information and make the rest of the information in the article up? We report, you decide!
edit: ars technica is speculating that the system will launch around June as well. ("May or June" in Japan, "summer or early Fall" in NA) Hmm....
edit 2: Nintendo hatches secret global launch plan for Revolution, says mvc uk, based on "online reports emerging today".
Post by: Toruresu on October 25, 2005, 06:41:58 AM
Would be great for my birthday...
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 25, 2005, 07:03:28 AM
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Post by: Ian Sane on October 25, 2005, 08:19:58 AM
However June is only a month after E3 (or sooner depending on what time of the month they launch) so that doesn't give much time to build anticipation. So if they launch in June at the very least we need to see screenshots of the major launch titles prior to E3. They can't just spring some game on us 2-4 weeks before launch and pass it off as the flagship title. I say they show us some real games and reveal all the info they have no reason to hide from us (why hide specs when the remote was the very thing they were afraid would be stolen) prior to the X360 launch to disuade any disgruntled Cube owners from jumping ship.
Post by: wandering on October 25, 2005, 09:03:00 AM
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So if they launch in June at the very least we need to see screenshots of the major launch titles prior to E3.
I agree. But remember that while Nintendo said that rev games would be shown/playable at E3, I don't think they ever said that E3 was going to be the first time that the rev would be shown/playable.
Personally, I'm betting that we'll have video of games in action before the end of this year, regardles of when the system launches. And, if the system will really have a world wide launch next June, I'd expect full-blown playable demos either late this year or early next year, before e3.
Post by: Rhoq on October 25, 2005, 09:03:19 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on October 25, 2005, 09:09:24 AM
Post by: wandering on October 25, 2005, 09:11:06 AM
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A week ago Infendo called the Nintendo Power line, and got the following message.
"As the company with the strongest heritage of innovation, Nintendo moves the bar for all next-gen systems by employing a wide-ranging strategy that will attract more kinds of gamers to more kinds of games. When Nintendo's new console, codenamed Revolution, arrives in the later half of 2006, everyone will discover the meaning of all-access gaming."
The message is still there, but "arrives in the later half of 2006" has now been replaced with "estimated for release in 2006." With my detective hat on, I'd say one of two things are likely: either Nintendo doesn't really have any idea yet, are being purposefully vague, or the second half of 2006 may be in doubt, leaving (obviously) the first half.
As it turns out, Nintendo President Satoru Iwata has told Nikkei Business that the Nintendo Revolution would be coming "after April" of 2006, and that the company was going to try and tackle an international launch (Nintendo Japan has the details in Japanese).
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A fall launch in America would mean going against the Congressional elections for attention in 06.
Good thing next to no one in america cares about congressional elections, then!
(before you saying anything, I'm not saying that I personally don't care about them)
Post by: zakkiel on October 25, 2005, 09:13:32 AM
Post by: vudu on October 25, 2005, 09:25:47 AM
QuoteWhy does Nintendo have to give everyone a large heads up? Why can't they pull an Apple and say "Hey check out this great new iPod Nano we made. You like it? Great! It arrived in stores yesterday."?
However June is only a month after E3 (or sooner depending on what time of the month they launch) so that doesn't give much time to build anticipation.
Post by: Nile Boogie on October 25, 2005, 09:29:54 AM
Post by: cubist on October 25, 2005, 09:34:07 AM
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Originally posted by: vuduQuoteWhy does Nintendo have to give everyone a large heads up? Why can't they pull an Apple and say "Hey check out this great new iPod Nano we made. You like it? Great! It arrived in stores yesterday."?
However June is only a month after E3 (or sooner depending on what time of the month they launch) so that doesn't give much time to build anticipation.
Apple can do it because the iPod is a proven product and the re-design isn't as drastic as going from Cube to Rev. Although, given the amount of hype Nintendo gave the GCN (not much compared to XBOX at launch), Nintendo might as well release a console without notice.
As far as politics and the congressional elections of 2006...the only way Nintendo would get any interference from them is if Rockstar simply drops their Sony love and releases a really crazy version of GTA. That'll stir up some controversy, but it will never happen...the GTA on Rev. So...not an issue.
Post by: Pale on October 25, 2005, 09:37:47 AM
It's also very likely they will delay it to fall.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on October 25, 2005, 09:39:58 AM
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"If" this claim has credit, what does that mean for Zelda: TP? I know I know it's a dead horse but it makes me wonder...
wonder how convenient that will be for anyone who desperately wants to play the new Zelda but doesnt have a cube... Why don't they get a Revolution and play Zelda on there?
I realize that it is a bit of a startup cost (gcn mem card+game+new system+GCNcontroller+newgames+new controllers)
nevermind.
Post by: Rhoq on October 25, 2005, 09:43:20 AM
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Originally posted by: wandering
The message is still there, but "arrives in the later half of 2006" has now been replaced with "estimated for release in 2006." With my detective hat on, I'd say one of two things are likely: either Nintendo doesn't really have any idea yet, are being purposefully vague, or the second half of 2006 may be in doubt, leaving (obviously) the first half.
...of 2007
Post by: nemo_83 on October 25, 2005, 10:25:51 AM
My magic eight ball says TP will be forwards compatible with the new controller encouraging Cube owners and non Cube owners to run into the streets in a frenzy to purchase the Revolution. If games can be developed using the same API on Revolution then any game whether MP2 or ZTP can be modified to work with the Revolution controller.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 25, 2005, 01:33:09 PM
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Originally posted by: nemo_83
My magic eight ball says TP will be forwards compatible with the new controller encouraging Cube owners and non Cube owners to run into the streets in a frenzy to purchase the Revolution. If games can be developed using the same API on Revolution then any game whether MP2 or ZTP can be modified to work with the Revolution controller.
I've been saying the same thing since ZTP got delayed, and my magic 8ball aslo says that any major Nintendo release(maybe even some exclusive 3rd party games) that come out after January or so of next year will probably have some sort of hidden FC features to encourage Rev owners to buy back catalogue and GC owners to go ahead and take the system upgrade.
Post by: Zach on October 25, 2005, 01:44:56 PM
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Originally posted by: RhoqQuote
Originally posted by: wandering
The message is still there, but "arrives in the later half of 2006" has now been replaced with "estimated for release in 2006." With my detective hat on, I'd say one of two things are likely: either Nintendo doesn't really have any idea yet, are being purposefully vague, or the second half of 2006 may be in doubt, leaving (obviously) the first half.
...of 2007
read the part in bold
Post by: Kairon on October 25, 2005, 02:18:35 PM
I have my doubts on this, even though I love the idea of a Summer 2006 launch.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on October 25, 2005, 02:25:02 PM
Post by: Plugabugz on October 25, 2005, 02:33:32 PM
Post by: Kairon on October 25, 2005, 02:41:23 PM
Gamasutra: Iwata snippet
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Post by: Ian Sane on October 25, 2005, 02:52:14 PM
What's this? Nintendo actually acknowledging the importance of MARKET SHARE?
Nice to read an Iwata quote where he doesn't inadvertingly make the Rev sound lame and uninteresting.
Post by: Kairon on October 25, 2005, 02:55:28 PM
Yes, Iwata is after marketshare. It's just that he doesn't think that the market ends with hardcore gamers alone.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Nile Boogie on October 25, 2005, 03:24:25 PM
Now replace Revolution with "Zelda". Sound familiar? Forward compatibility sound more and more promising as the news trickles out. Do I get credit for coining the phrase (Forward compatibility). Did I even make that up?
Post by: ThePerm on October 25, 2005, 03:52:08 PM
Post by: BigJim on October 25, 2005, 05:02:50 PM
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Microsoft is already having headaches with supply and trying to get enough X360's out for their near simultanerous worldwide launch, what would make the situation of a simultaneous launch any easier for Nintendo?
In theory, if the Rev CPU is single core and/or otherwise less complex than the Cell or Xbox chip, production yields would be better. Ditto for the GPU. The rest of the unit isn't inherently complex so I would say those are the two main factors.
But back on topic. I would love anything sooner than November, but I won't hold my breath. They never make their console launch targets (if the summer truly is a goal).
Iwata recognizing the need to increase marketshare is very nice to hear.
Post by: Djunknown on October 25, 2005, 05:14:44 PM
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wonder how convenient that will be for anyone who desperately wants to play the new Zelda but doesnt have a cube... Why don't they get a Revolution and play Zelda on there?
Assuming the shell is included with a the Rev, and NCL can confirm that the internal flash memory can read/do GCN saves, it shouldn't be a problem. Though we'll have to wait on the latter if its true...
June 2006? Too good to be true. That means by e3 2k6, they have let it all hang out. And I mean everything to the point that Reggie does his presentation naked and let 'his' hang out. Starting from the spring, there should be a massive, massive marketing blitz similiar to the '360's, if not bigger. We should know the price, launch titles, how NWFC (Nintendo Wi-Fi-Connection) will work on the Rev, etc.
Post by: Rancid Planet on October 25, 2005, 11:16:02 PM
My bet is that it doesn't happen.
Post by: MrMojoRising on October 25, 2005, 11:30:09 PM
Post by: BigJim on October 26, 2005, 05:27:41 AM
Financially, Nintendo may be planning on taking a big financial hit to launch the system (which is typical). Perhaps they'll position Zelda there to offset the losses that quarter. It's a win for the bean counters at NCL, and a win for gamers since it also suddenly becomes an indirect launch title for Revolution. W00t.
Granted, it somewhat competes with GameCube in that if the game plays on a $99 system, why get a Revolution? But the GBA didn't hurt DS sales in any measureable way. With a built-in 20 million install base, they'd make a killing on hybrid game sales until they transition entirely to Rev games.
There has been very little development with forward compatibility in mind before. It could be a pretty cool tactic. But again, out my own ass. I can dream.
Post by: couchmonkey on October 26, 2005, 06:51:11 AM
Nintendo can deal with the issues of a worldwide launch by not trying to release it right before Christmas. I think that's what's hurting MS: Christmas was always Microsoft's deadline, and missing that deadline is a big deal. If Nintendo is shooting for June, it can delay a month or so to pump out some extra systems. There will also probably be less of a buying frenzy than with Christmas launches. I don't think there was ever a big supply problem for the PSP or GBA, on the other hand, DS, PS2, Xbox and GameCube all had varying degrees of supply problems.
I'd like to see Revolution launch as early as possible (bearing in mind that a good launch lineup is a must). If Nintendo is serious about earning more market share, it should try to launch less than a year after the competition! Of course the counter argument is that Nintendo is aiming to capture new markets, but those new markets may not be receptive. I like Nintendo's plan to attack new markets, I think the company sees that the gaming market is still immature...it's something they potentially understand better than anyone else, even if Nintendo's home console sales aren't the best. I think Nintendo is smart to try and expand the market and make it more approachable but I think it would be bad to make a move on new markets without any concern for the existing one.
About E3: I don't think we need to worry about Nintendo unveiling everything at E3 and launching one month later. If you look at what Nintendo has done the past few years, it has been pushing games prior to E3 more. Unless Nintendo isn't planning to launch until the end of 2006, I think we'll see some Revolution games before E3 - maybe at GDC.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 26, 2005, 07:30:07 AM
Nintendo developed games for the Revolution have probably been in development since January, if not longer. In other words Revolution games can easily be finished by that time frame.
Now, 3rd party games are alittle more difficult. However, most launch games have a very, very short development time, and Revolution's 8 months is probably pushing it, but not completely impossible. A good team should be able to design a game within a year or little less. And the reality is that many developers already had games in development for the Revolution before the official announcement of the controller.
This is Completely doable for Nintendo...and it should be shot for, even if it means a slight delay or smaller launch lineup at first.
Post by: jakeOSX on October 26, 2005, 07:33:25 AM
as for june, i think it would be a good time to release, esp if they use E3 to pump out publicity.
Post by: Nile Boogie on October 26, 2005, 07:48:51 AM
Zelda has to be a GameCube release, right? Is it possible for Nintendo to be making two(2) versions of the same game? One for each console. Or maybe a Special Edition Twilight Princess on a 8cm disc(GameCube) which is fine but it comes with a 4cm outer ring that when you connect the 2 you get a 12cm Revolution disc. Eah, that does sound crazy doesn't it? (Think Sonic and Knuckels for the Genisis just with discs instead of carts).
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 26, 2005, 07:55:24 AM
I could easily see a launch lineup like this:
Mario (platformer)
Smash Brothers (Fighter)
Metroid Prime 3 (FPA)
Ware Ware (party/nongamer)
Mario Paint (Revolution controller perfect for this)
Music Game
mini-games
3rd Party
Madden Football (Sports)
SSX (Sports)
Bomberman (Nintendo has a great relationship with Hudson
Post by: zakkiel on October 26, 2005, 08:13:50 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on October 26, 2005, 08:19:52 AM
Post by: Nile Boogie on October 26, 2005, 09:19:30 AM
"I think Metroid and/or Mario will either force a delay or wind up falling below expectations. " - CouchMonkey
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Mario !28 has been in the works for 3 years already and by the time June 06 comes it will be almost FOUR YEARS!! I know that it changed platforms and all but at some point it has to be finished new control setup and all. Metriod Prime Revolution, which I believe is being built off an enhanced MP2 engine shouldn't take more than 18-months since they started with the GameCube. This is more faith than fact so...
Post by: stevey on October 26, 2005, 01:48:06 PM
That would rock! E3 press c. Reggie I will start kicking butt and taking name and launch of the revo is (look at watch) NOW!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2005, 01:54:45 PM
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"A mid-2006 release had been hinted at as early as May this year"
That would rock! E3 press c. Reggie I will start kicking butt and taking name and launch of the revo is (look at watch) NOW!!!
Just imaging if they started selling the REV on the last day of E3 2006 as a pre-release launch and then a world wide launch 1-2 months later. Easily the winner of 'Console of the Show' award.
Post by: nickmitch on October 26, 2005, 03:44:51 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2005, 05:20:07 PM
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Months would be too much. It'd have to be a few weeks.
gotta let the hype and pre-sales get a chance to take effect
Post by: nemo_83 on October 27, 2005, 10:29:13 AM
"Nintendo is aiming for a MAY Release date! This is official news straight from Nintendo! Nintendo wants to show off the hardware in May and launch the system worldwide the same month. This is as much of a marketing tactic as it is designed to give time for the developers to complete the games. "There is one more secret left" say Reggie Fils-Aime. "That secret will be shown to the world at E3 in May of 2006. Then everyone will understand the reason behind the controller's design and its capabilities." Mr. Fils-Aime stressed the importance of consumers needing to see the Revolution in action to truly understand it. Furthermore he feels that once the Revolution is shown in its entirety that it will generate a gaming mania and that it is very important to launch the product soon thereafter to capitalize on the excitement. What is the big secret? Your guess is as good as any."
Post by: Don'tHate742 on October 27, 2005, 11:56:46 AM
It's pretty low to fake-qoute Reggie.
Post by: nemo_83 on October 27, 2005, 12:01:12 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 27, 2005, 12:20:26 PM
Mario/Metroid/Smash Brothers are all being worked on by seperate development houses completely. Metroid is already far along and Retro already knows how to program for the controller.
Smash Brothers is already an announced launch title.
Iwata himself has stated he desires Mario to be a launch game and is pushing Miyamoto do finish it in time.
Now think about Nintendo's other development studios.
NST: Place them on creating Wario Ware Revolution. They have worked on this game before, and could easily crank some interesting idea out.
Mario Paint: Nintendo already has this game partially designed with that Nintendo studios game they have shown from time to time at E3. Now all they have to do is customize it to work with the revolution.
Music Game: Same as above but could also be handled by Konami or Sega who Nintendo has worked with to create exclusive games before.
Party Mini Games: Think about games you would want to play by yourself or with friends an family.
Card games
Board games
simple sports games (table tennis)
digital jigsaw puzzles.
The Revolution makes playing these types of games interesting and fun. A small team could easily create these simple games to be quick to play and appeal to wide audience of all ages and even non gamers.
Third Party Games
EA
We know EA can produce games quickly for any release schedule. I have no doubt that they will have 2 games ready for Revolution launch.
Madden Football and SSX are there two largest franchises that will sell no matter the quality of the game. But SSX will be interesting with that new controller.
Bomberman (Hudson) Really this one is a stretch but I love Bomberman and this could be really funny with the revolution controller. Pickup bombs with Button B and actually have to throw them with your hand movement. EXECELENT.
My launch lineup is perfectable doable. Easily doable by June, and potentially even doable by May.
Post by: nickmitch on October 27, 2005, 04:41:50 PM
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Months would be too much. It'd have to be a few weeks.
gotta let the hype and pre-sales get a chance to take effect
It's bad enough that I'll probably never go to E3. I don't want some jerk-offs playing the rev for three months while I'm stuck without one.
Post by: ThePerm on October 27, 2005, 05:30:46 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 28, 2005, 06:03:01 AM
Post by: ThePerm on October 28, 2005, 06:48:31 AM
i cant wait to see the fps games...the whoe reason i havnt bought an fps is because the dual analog for fps is a step back from the button layout on n64
Post by: Kairon on October 28, 2005, 06:57:39 AM
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if they released it shortly aftyer e3...then the buzz wouldnt be dead by winter.
i cant wait to see the fps games...the whoe reason i havnt bought an fps is because the dual analog for fps is a step back from the button layout on n64
Perm! We may be the only two people in the world to prefer the N64 button layout over the dual analog system...but it's nice to know I'm not alone!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Don'tHate742 on October 28, 2005, 07:54:21 AM
You guys are forgetting that Camelot has already comfirmed their REV title will be avaible at launch some time ago. It was also confirmed that it's going to be an RPG. Personally, I'd take Camelot over Square any day.
I'd imagine this game is Golden Sun. Honestly, how do you think Camelot reacted when they first saw the NRC...."This would be perfect for GOLDEN SUN!" And it really would be. Lifting a rock could be as simple as moving your hand forward, pressing a button, and lifting your hand upward. Pushing would be even easier.
Anyway, that's not the point. The point is that a killer RPG will be present at launch.
So now we have:
:::MP3 (FPS)
:::Camelot (RPG)
:::SSBM: Online (fighter)
:::Mario (platformer)
That's four of the most essential genres in gaming, and with Online present at launch, it even demonstrates how Nintendo's online gaming feature will work (also how it works apart from the Virtual Console).
Add that to a "most likely" list that includes:
:::WaveRace (Racer, hasn't shown up in two forms on the Gamecube, so REV launch seems imminent.)
:::EA Sports (We already have confirmation that EA will be working on the REV, the question is can they get the titles out in time?)
:::WarioWare (Non-gamer, Something like warioware or warioware itself is crucial for the REV to grasp the non-gamers out there. Plus it doesn't hurt that it is the most ideal game to show off the features of the REV. A demo could be packed-in at launch as well.)
That list as a launch list would be sufficient but not spectactular. Then again, those games mentioned are almost all developed by Nintendo or Nintendo second parties.
I can imagine an NDA, or rather the last few pieces of the REV puzzle, restricting companies such as Capcom from wanting to reveal any details about upcoming games. I'm sure they could say that they are developing something if they wanted to, but how enormous would the surprise be if soon after the REV fully unviels, Capcom blows us away with an RE: REV that uses all the capabilities of the system?
I'm not saying Capcom is holding something back, but rather that it isn't far-fetched to say that one company maybe waiting for that opportune time. So add a company to that list; which ever seems the most plausible to you.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on October 28, 2005, 08:19:24 AM
but if Don'tHate's lineup is accurate then we dont have anything to worry about
Post by: ThePerm on October 28, 2005, 08:37:22 AM
i dont even have to say this. We've ll figured it out by now.
Post by: couchmonkey on October 28, 2005, 01:33:48 PM
Metroid Prime 3 isn't doable because the last game took two years to develop. Can Retro pump out a third game in 1.5 years while adding next-gen graphics and a new style of control?
Mario 128 isn't doable because Nintendo has been working on it for 3 years and last time they interviewed Miyamoto he said he still wasn't sure what kind of game it is. To me, that says at least 2 more months of experimenting before they start thinking about level design, enemy AI, etc. On top of that it was six years between the release of Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Sunshine.
Sorry, I hate to be such a pessimist...I do think it's possible for Nintendo to release both of those games by mid-2006, but I'm skeptical for the reasons I just gave. If Nintendo does get them out by that time, I fear the quality will be below most people's expectations.
On the optimistic side, I do believe some third parties will have their games ready sooner than we think. Maybe not by June, but I think Square and Camelot could have their games done in 2006.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 28, 2005, 02:35:42 PM
Retro added Rev controls to Metroid Prime 2 in TWO WEEKS...
Post by: ThePerm on October 28, 2005, 03:57:52 PM
Post by: zakkiel on October 28, 2005, 09:09:13 PM
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i dont even have to say this. We've ll figured it out by now.
You'd think that, wouldn't you?
Post by: King of Twitch on October 28, 2005, 10:02:09 PM
:::Camelot (RPG)
:::SSBM: Online (fighter)
:::Mario (platformer)
Which one of these will get the delay hammer? I'd say Camelot RPG will be done at launch, SSBM within a month, MP3 delayed 6 months, Mario delayed a year.
Post by: Mario on October 29, 2005, 01:46:23 AM
Post by: Nile Boogie on October 29, 2005, 03:55:15 AM
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"In terms of launch dates, I think it will become clear as we enter 2006 when Revolution and PS3 will launch. So, to assume one is before or after another may not make sense." IGN
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Hmmm...sounds rather intresting to me. Maybe it's that PS3 won't launch until late 06/ early 07, as some have predicted. I hope Nintendo can get some software, great software ready. Sony may up their release date, mostly from fear of X360 and the forthcoming Coup by the Revolution. June sounds more likey...
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 31, 2005, 03:49:42 AM
Although it is almost definate that Sony has pushed its launch up to combat Microsoft, nobody is sure how early Sony can really launch. Some even predict Sony can't before holiday season and be ready.
Nintendo isn't that pressured. They know the earlier the launch the better, however, I think Nintendo has learned from botched up launch lineups, that they need a stronger launch more than an earlier launch.
Nintendo will launch as early as possible and still have a sold lineup of 1st party and 3rd party games. I think several people have demostrated how Nintendo could make a June deadline for 1st party games, it is the 3rd party games that have people questioning that launch.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 01, 2005, 04:52:30 AM
GAF took the "within 14 weeks" comment to mean that the system is literally launching within 14 weeks - i.e. February. I think that's pretty much out, but it does imply that Nintendo wants to launch in or before September in Japan. Unless it's going to launch in January or February in other territories, which would be dumb.
Bill: Very true about the MP2 demo, maybe the controls won't be a problem, which I am happy to hear. If Nintendo can make it that easy to convert "regular" controls to something like this, then maybe third parties will take more advantage of it. However, it doesn't change the rest of the development time: what makes it so that they can spend less time on this game than Metroid Prime 2?
Edit: Spak-Spang, you're so right about Sony. They're just trying to put the pressure on the Xbox 360 launch the same way they did with Dreamcast. I believe PS3 will come out earlier than Sony had planned, but I don't think we're going to see it in North America for a long time yet.
