Post by: animecyberrat on October 15, 2005, 12:29:24 PM
I was thinking it could go like this. There would be the "CORE" unit, like in old days thsi would be the barebones essentials, 1 controller, 1 powercord/video cable, 1 system, and either a Demo disk (pleae for teh love of God includea demo disk Nintey!) and thats it, for the bottom dollar, say 150
Then a Pack In Bundle that has 2 options 1 the Action Set which could have Mario, 1 controller, all the hook ups and a free download or two. Then the Online Set which could be teh saem as action set bt instead of mario Smash Bros and 2 controllers and the same download limit as Action Set
These bundles could either be the regular 200 or the 250 price.
Then the "Ultimate Gamers" bundle which would be the same as teh other 2 ecept they would add a Shell for each control pad and a Flash Memory Card, a Demo Disk and a a couple more downloads ad maybe both Pack In games or replace the pack in with say Metroid Prime 3 if its available. The Ultimate package would be maybe 300 doallars but all options are still a better deal than the competitors no matter how you look at it.
what do you guys think? Good idea? bad idea? Got a better idea? This is one erea where Nintendo could shine if they do it right.
Post by: Artimus on October 15, 2005, 01:00:45 PM
Post by: nickmitch on October 15, 2005, 01:35:10 PM
Post by: mantidor on October 15, 2005, 01:55:14 PM
This console
This controller
+nunchuck+traditional shell+mario+zelda+metroid ( the originals through download) and maybe a Metroid Prime 3 demo.
Nintendo could get away with pricing this as low as $250.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 15, 2005, 02:10:28 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
My dream bundle:
This console
This controller
+nunchuck+traditional shell+mario+zelda+metroid ( the originals through download) and maybe a Metroid Prime 3 demo.
Nintendo could get away with pricing this as low as $250.
That would be perfect, except I would want a full demo disc, that had many games on it, and not just from Nintendo, and $249.99 is a perfect price.
Post by: wandering on October 17, 2005, 11:05:13 PM
though retailers will shove console + game bundles down our throats regardless....
Post by: couchmonkey on October 18, 2005, 05:43:54 AM
Post by: jakeOSX on October 18, 2005, 08:03:25 AM
$250 may be high for a bundle though. $200 is the sweet spot, anything below that will be candy. at $99 a console, i don't know why everyone doesn't have a cube.
Post by: Ian Sane on October 18, 2005, 08:14:05 AM
I think a pack-in demo and/or free downloads is the way to go. And the controller should include the nunchuk and the shell so that everyone had one and then third parties can developer whatever game they want and know that 100% of the userbase can play it.
Post by: vudu on October 18, 2005, 09:29:33 AM
QuoteDo you mean just one color, too? Or do you mean multiple colors, but all have the same contents?
I'd prefer it if Nintendo kept things simple with just one version of the console at launch
Post by: couchmonkey on October 18, 2005, 10:49:50 AM
Post by: wandering on October 19, 2005, 06:09:22 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on October 19, 2005, 10:48:33 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
When MS and Sony talk about bundles they mean forcing you to pay for crap you don't want or need. Nintendo's strategy should be that anything that comes with the console is a free bonus or an absolute requirement so that you're not paying extra for useless junk.
I think a pack-in demo and/or free downloads is the way to go. And the controller should include the nunchuk and the shell so that everyone had one and then third parties can developer whatever game they want and know that 100% of the userbase can play it.
Well Ian you have to remember that Microsoft is doing one of those stupid psychological effects to make it that you need to buy the 399.99 with some unnessessary crap in it. And to add insult to injury if you want to make your X360 "complete"(by complete as in what the competition is making standard) guess what, your going to have to spend 500 because the Wi-Fi adapter costs 100. So thank you Microsoft for making something an accessory while your competition makes it standard and I think thats unacceptable for making it an accessory thats grossly overpriced.
I think Ian hit the nail on the head a Rev with the remote + the essentials (nunchuk and classic shell) for 199.99 and it wouldn't hurt Nintendo to throw in a demo that teaches gamers examples of game and how they will use the controller and/or a voucher for a free download.
I personally think Nintendo will do that since Nintendo is very bundle happy lately (Nintendogs best friends bundle, Mario Kart bundle, Pokemon XD bundle, Mario Party 7 bundle). EDIT: And if you count it as a free pack in bundle item the 2 face plates on each Micro.
Post by: Switchblade Cross on October 19, 2005, 11:21:55 AM
Nintendo should throw in a copy of Twilight Princess. That would make sales explode, especially from people whom don't currently have a gamecube and are interested in the game. Of course, they shouldent say anything untill something like the week before release, as not to deter from pre Rev sales of Zelda. But thats never going to happen.
Post by: Ian Sane on October 19, 2005, 11:30:45 AM
I've never liked that idea because for all us Cube owners that freebie is useless and if it raised the price I'd be pretty annoyed. I think a better option is to have it come with your choice of a free Cube game. They promote Twilight Princess as the sort of "default" title but you can pick any first party game. That way those interested in Zelda can get it and us existing Cube owners can get something too (unless you have every first party game). The ad could say something like "for a limited time each Rev purchase comes with a free Gamecube game! Choose from a wide list of titles including the new epic Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess!"
Post by: Pale on October 19, 2005, 11:35:37 AM
Choose any NES game free!
Choose any SNES game free!
Choose any N64 game free!
Choose any GCN game free!
It's like they are giving away 4 games when they are actually only giving away 1 real game and planting the seeds for future purchases.
Post by: stevey on October 19, 2005, 11:43:05 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on October 19, 2005, 11:50:13 AM
"It's like they are giving away 4 games when they are actually only giving away 1 real game and planting the seeds for future purchases."
Sounds good. It reminds me of that old SNES commercial where they talked about how you got five Mario games free. In reality you got Super Mario World (which came with every SNES anyway) and Super Mario All-Stars (which in terms of MSRP was only one game). So it was really just your typical SNES with Super Mario All-Stars thrown in. But man did that sound like a sweet deal. So "comes with FOUR FREE GAMES!" would make a pretty good commercial.
Post by: Artimus on October 19, 2005, 12:17:12 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on October 19, 2005, 12:47:27 PM
Post by: Kairon on October 19, 2005, 04:05:36 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
A launch colour's not a bad idea. For once the early adopters could benefit instead of the latecomers. The way it usually works it's like the hardcore are punished for buying early.
"It's like they are giving away 4 games when they are actually only giving away 1 real game and planting the seeds for future purchases."
Sounds good. It reminds me of that old SNES commercial where they talked about how you got five Mario games free. In reality you got Super Mario World (which came with every SNES anyway) and Super Mario All-Stars (which in terms of MSRP was only one game). So it was really just your typical SNES with Super Mario All-Stars thrown in. But man did that sound like a sweet deal. So "comes with FOUR FREE GAMES!" would make a pretty good commercial.
Yeah, but I'd be leery of seeing, on one hand, the XBox 360 with Halo 3, ai, physics, and lens flares and on the other hand, the Revolution with FOUR FREE PIXELATED EIGHTIES GAMES!
In fact, I almost expected you Ian to be against this idea. Devoting more than 5 seconds of attention to the REV's free NES downloads would be scary against the competition's ads. I mean, I can hear the fanbois now: "Pay 200 Doolars to plai Mar!o ONE wit TEH ReMoTe! GG HF NUB!"
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: mantidor on October 19, 2005, 05:07:57 PM
, Theres a lot of nostalgia on those pixelated eighties games, I for instance didnt know my dad and my uncle back when the nes released were totally hooked and play a ton of games, like mario, road fighter and lode runner. We even bought recently the "polystation" which is a horrible bastardized version of the famicon with the ps1 shape and controllers, and he plays this games! his words "this games are so much better, they are simple and fun, not like that zombie game you got recently" (RE4) and hes no gamer at all, he barely plays solitarie and tetris in the computer.Of course, we shouldnt forget that next to those pixelated eighties games that basically every likes theres going to be a Super Smash Bros with graphics better than GCs, a new IP from Miyamoto and maybe even Mario, do you really think that halo 3 is going to be so above graphically over these games like say... the DS and psp? not really, not really at all, the difference will be minimal and for most, non existant.
The shell issue is complicated, bundling it could also mean that developers get lazy and the controller ends up being really a g!mmick, not including it may mean lack of ports. If Nintendo decides to include the shell, the Mario, or SSB or whatever the flagship title ends up being must be absolutly mind blowing, so much that the shell must end up looking outdated and clumsy.
EDIT: awesome, "sparkling innovation" is filtered
I had no idea.
Post by: IceCold on October 19, 2005, 06:42:01 PM
Post by: Hawkeye_a on October 19, 2005, 06:54:43 PM
Post by: Hawkeye_a on October 19, 2005, 06:58:44 PM
I think the NRS should come in Black and White versions. And there aught to be only one configuration available:
-Console
-controller
-Mario128
Having said that, it would be great to have a 25th NES anniversary limited edition available eventually.
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Cheers
Post by: couchmonkey on October 20, 2005, 05:58:51 AM
Heck they could put a five-second spot at the end of each game commercial. Then you never mention the classics without mentioning a new game, and the classics get a lot of air time. I think they have the potential to be a huge selling point if Nintendo doesn't make them too expensive.
I really like the idea of an exclusive launch colour, too. I at least hope they offer some exciting colour at launch, I find white and black both boring, but I guess I should buy those boring colours because at this point the colours they've showed that I like the most are red and green, both of which totally clash with my purple GameCube.
Post by: Ian Sane on October 20, 2005, 07:35:05 AM
It's not like the Xbox 360 comes with Halo 3 free. The commercial would obviously have shots of the launch games as well. It's not Halo 3 vs. Super Mario Bros. It's Halo 3 vs. Super Mario Bros and big new Nintendo launch game.
Post by: vudu on October 20, 2005, 09:20:43 AM
While we're on the subject of demo discs, if Nintendo is too cheap to offer demo discs, they can even preload a few demos of current and/or future games and/or tech demos on the flash memory.
Post by: Pale on October 20, 2005, 09:23:14 AM
Post by: vudu on October 20, 2005, 09:37:14 AM
Perhaps they can do both--preload a couple games and then give them the option to download a couple more for free? Something is better than nothing.
Post by: Ian Sane on October 20, 2005, 10:03:28 AM
I personally prefer having the downloads because then I can choose what games I get. If Nintendo chooses then I can guarantee that I will already own all five of the games they preload on the Rev and so will like 90% of Nintendo fans. Plus Pale hit the nail on the head in regards to the download service encouraging people to try going online.
Post by: vudu on October 20, 2005, 10:16:30 AM
Post by: wandering on October 20, 2005, 10:27:24 AM
Post by: vudu on October 20, 2005, 10:39:21 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on October 20, 2005, 11:04:55 AM
Better they get zero than I get zero.
I think having download kiosks is an ideal workaround for this. But even then who REALLY is going to buy a Rev during the launch period? If you don't have broadband interent odds are you don't buy brand new videogame consoles right when they come out anyway. Plus without broadband it's impossible to get the most out of all three consoles anyway.
Post by: vudu on October 20, 2005, 11:11:59 AM
Many high school (college) students don't have broadband because their parents won't/can't/don't pay for it. There are lots of kids who will buy a game (or system) the day it comes out, but they don't have much say as far as if their parents spring for high-speed Internet.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on October 20, 2005, 12:21:17 PM
I wish those first rumors were true about the revolution offering wireless LAN right out of the box. (i.e. wireless multiplayer with other rev consoles in the dorms.)
Post by: Artimus on October 20, 2005, 12:21:26 PM
Downloads are an inexpensive way for Nintendo to make the system a good deal.
Post by: BigJim on October 20, 2005, 01:08:53 PM
A DS adapter would be nice too. Download it while you're in line at McDonalds.
Post by: Pale on October 20, 2005, 01:19:33 PM
Post by: Kairon on October 20, 2005, 02:02:25 PM
They'll just offer a single free download of "Super Mario Bros. / Duck Hunt." Seriously, what other game download could be as universal, or could be a perfect example of the pointer functionality?
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Djunknown on October 20, 2005, 05:11:39 PM
Though I do miss the days of the pack-in game. For arguments sake, let's say the base price is 250. Its got the basics, controller, basic cables, as well as the analog and shell attachment, built-in memory. You need at least one game. So that's 300 right there at launch. A no-brainer for a pack-in would either be A)Smash Bros 3 or B) Miyamoto's 'Non-game.'
What better way to get the word out by having a 'non-game' that makes use of the controller in every Rev console? This will sell the Rev's concept from the get-go. Remember how Tetris's became so damn popular when the Game Boy launched? You guessed it, because it was in every box!
Post by: couchmonkey on October 21, 2005, 06:04:55 AM
I miss pack-in games too, and I'd love to have one, but Nintendo knows that most of the early adopters are huge fanatics that will happily buy a game separately anyway, so we're screwed. The only way to get deals like that is to wait until they are desperate to boost sales. Still, if I could get a Rev with Mario 128 packed-in, I'd be a very happy camper.
I still think a pack-in demo is a hugely great idea, as well as a free download.
Edit: Going back to the topic of limited edition colours for a second, I might be the only person who wants it, but I would gladly pay an extra $50 or maybe even $100 for a limited edition chrome Revolution if such a thing was made. Sweet chrome...so shiny.
Post by: Pale on October 21, 2005, 10:00:59 AM
Black mirror rev with green LED... mmmmm
Post by: KnowsNothing on October 21, 2005, 10:03:52 AM
Post by: Pale on October 21, 2005, 10:08:08 AM
MS can't have green.. just because they used that crap... they aren't allowed to own a color. =P
Post by: Artimus on October 21, 2005, 10:14:18 AM
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Post by: Don'tHate742 on October 21, 2005, 01:14:34 PM
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Post by: mantidor on October 22, 2005, 04:22:23 PM
