Post by: ThePerm on October 02, 2005, 07:30:18 AM
about a year ago or so these were the graphical peaks of the pc world, yet on the much lower speced consoles they pretty much did straight ports..not perfect ones...but very pretty games.
I'v seen a few games that were leaps above that on the new systems, but not by much. I wonder if by all indications that rev wont be as powerful as the next systems, yet still somewhere in the ball park we probaly couldnt see the difference visually. However one thing i worry about is the numbers game.....
i am incredibly impressed by dead rising...it doesnt have the best graphics...but its got soo many zombies...and i love zombies.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 02, 2005, 07:49:03 AM
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Post by: Stimutacs Addict on October 02, 2005, 08:15:38 AM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 02, 2005, 02:49:35 PM
BUT
I welcome next-gen Pikmins and Battallion Wars.
Post by: 31 Flavas on October 02, 2005, 08:06:23 PM
QuoteI find it amazing that "everyone" is worried about graphical performace, when the PS2 (or GameBoy or DS) prove that graphical prowess is not exclusivly what sells systems. Edit: or Games for that matter.
Originally posted by: ThePerm
I'v seen a few games that were leaps above that on the new systems, but not by much. I wonder if by all indications that rev wont be as powerful as the next systems, yet still somewhere in the ball park we probaly couldnt see the difference visually. However one thing i worry about is the numbers game.....
Post by: ThePerm on October 02, 2005, 08:08:12 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on October 02, 2005, 08:27:31 PM
Post by: 31 Flavas on October 02, 2005, 09:10:58 PM
QuoteUhm... but, we *are* going to end up with the same games. Thats not a matter debate, it's a matter of fact. Halo, GTA, Madden are all going to be the same just prettier. The NFL and their exclusive license to EA has, at the very least, forced one change. Who before now would have ever thought of producing a Football game without NFL teams? Who would have purchased one without the NFL teams? This discussion is entirely seperate and not what I was pointing out though. Although it is somewhat related.
Originally posted by: ThePerm
i want the upgrade in the system to be worth the price of the system...if we werent upgrading the graphics we would just have the same games on a different system
My point was that PS2, GameBoy, DS, all out sell their competion for different reasons, but not because they have ultimate graphics. In the case of Gameboy and DS the graphics aren't even competitive. Back in the day, with GameBoy, it was black on GREEN, versus Full Color and GameBoy still crushed the competion. So my point is, why is all this importance is put on graphics when ultimately graphics are not what sells the most systems or copies of a game.
Post by: ThePerm on October 03, 2005, 10:03:03 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on October 03, 2005, 10:22:28 AM
Post by: ThePerm on October 03, 2005, 10:28:08 AM
if you dont understand what i mean. I loved cubivore even though it had n64 graphics...what was important was the gameplay, but it got panned cus it looked real bad by critics. I can enjoy crappy looking games..its just that if im going to pay for a new better system, it better be a real upgrade..otherwise its worth just as much as that $50 cube at game crazy.
I didn't have a super nintendo. I played my nes as my main system for 2 generations. Sure the super nintendo has prettier graphics..but overall the gameplay isnt too different. If they released a controller with 6 buttons like snes for nes....the graphics really wouldnt be as important.
Post by: blackfootsteps on October 03, 2005, 03:03:22 PM
Post by: ThePerm on October 03, 2005, 03:32:23 PM
Post by: Artimus on October 03, 2005, 03:38:21 PM
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Originally posted by: ThePerm
mario kart could be done on nes.....starfox could too...just would look like crap
Mode 7.
Post by: cubist on October 03, 2005, 04:32:53 PM
(1) Mode 7 scaling at launch with titles like Pilotwings and F-Zero.
(2) The development of the FX Chip (running polygons at higher speeds than Faceball to show what the future of gaming will be like...and Starfox was unbelievable at the time).
(3) ACM graphics that brought new life to 2D sprites with the release of the Donkey Kong Country series (and later Square games)
I know I'm off topic, but I had to respond to that comment.
Post by: mjbd on October 03, 2005, 05:05:30 PM
Post by: ThePerm on October 03, 2005, 05:24:43 PM
Post by: pudu on October 03, 2005, 05:32:34 PM
One reason is that at some point it will have to look so good that the next noticable "leap" in graphics would take so much more hardware-wise then what it has in the past. At this point it will basically be up to the artists and programmers to make the proper art/fx to make the game look real (or however else they want to make it look). I imagine once hardware becomes less of an issue the talent of the artists and programmers will be what the limiting factor is. So...a few generations down the road we have consoles pushing not 500 million but 500 billion polygons. At this point where do you go? I see tools like those used for procedural vegetation and terrain being more relied upon for good visuals because with all that power a developer could spend their lives pushing it to the max by hand.
Another reason (and one I find having more of an immidiate affect) why consoles graphics will be less of an attraction in coming generations is the fact that the PC is pushing tech so fast. All next-gen consoles are using basically modified PC graphics cards made by one of the big 2 card manufacturors. These cards are basically a generation ahead of the next cards ATI and Nvidia are releasing but I don't see it being very long before the PC has graphics cards equal to or faster then these cards. The main reason the consoles will stay ahead of PC at this point will be the multiple threads the CPUs allow but with Intel and AMD pushing for multicore processors now and with all the games made using multiple threads I can see PC's catching up here not before long.
On a side note, I think the most interesting thing about the next-gen consoles is how they are being used to actually push/steer the direction the tech industry goes. Sony will be pushing Blu-Ray disk format and their new multicore Cell chip. Microsoft will also be pushing a disk format (HD-DVD) and their CPU is also multi core so programers are being forced to get used to programming for multiple threads. And...who knows Nintendo could make a breakthrough with the Rev controller and make similar devices standard in coming years for the PC, consoles (of coarse), and other devices like regular TV remotes.
Post by: oohhboy on October 04, 2005, 06:31:38 AM
The FX chip for the SNES came in two flavors. The original slow one for Star Fox (10.15MHz) and a second version that had 2x the clock speed of the original. The original chip was comparable to a 386. Both RISC.
Post by: Ian Sane on October 04, 2005, 08:15:54 AM
I agree with this. Not just in terms of graphics as superior hardware improves a lot of things like framerate, AI, physics, and how many characters are on screen at once. If the only difference is the new controller and online play then Nintendo would be ripping us off by making us buy new hardware. We might as well just buy a controller. Or they could make it so that you can upgrade your Cube or buy a new Rev. If we have to buy new hardware then there should be a jump.
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on October 04, 2005, 09:58:46 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 04, 2005, 10:10:36 AM
Post by: ThePerm on October 12, 2005, 11:31:40 AM
then there is the gpu..which may just outshine 360's. Nintendo and ATI have a good relationship. I think nowadays with all the shaders and whatnot its going to be hard to tell the difference.
and thats another nice thing about gpu's they can be constantly updated till nintendo is finally ready to settle. What i mean is if some sort of new technologyoccurs within t he next six months then they can implement that without having to severely alter the whole system because it's its own entity in a package.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on October 12, 2005, 03:26:44 PM
That alone is reason to upgrade.
